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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:11:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:15:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkfH7dIXkAEGJ0e?format=jpg&name=large https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/21/zelenskyy-biden-weapons-standoff-congress-00074918 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/CFACC6B1-684F-4047-9269-F3CE48576060-2643028.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/3E02F132-B236-4C07-B11B-677F5D9A5D98-2643029.jpg |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:17:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: I think a lot of that is a smokescreen for our own internal conflicts over various issues; from technology Russia will acquire in captures and debris, conflicts over budget, conflicts over support, providing SMEs and advisors, using up our stockpiles the list probably goes on and on. I'm sure there are people in our military and political space pushing hard against supporting Ukraine and there is a whole lot of backroom talk over everything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkfH7dIXkAEGJ0e?format=jpg&name=large https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/21/zelenskyy-biden-weapons-standoff-congress-00074918 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/CFACC6B1-684F-4047-9269-F3CE48576060-2643028.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/3E02F132-B236-4C07-B11B-677F5D9A5D98-2643029.jpg Still not budging on the ATACMS because Putin might hurt Ukraine. What. The. Fuck.  I think a lot of that is a smokescreen for our own internal conflicts over various issues; from technology Russia will acquire in captures and debris, conflicts over budget, conflicts over support, providing SMEs and advisors, using up our stockpiles the list probably goes on and on. I'm sure there are people in our military and political space pushing hard against supporting Ukraine and there is a whole lot of backroom talk over everything. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:20:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Yes. THIS! Remember the 50 members of the so called intelligence community that said the Hunter Biden laptop story had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation? Someone already mentioned the fuck Col. McGregor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By SuperSixOne: Any given career adds little to no credibility in the modern age. The USA's own intelligence agencies claimed a sitting US president was colluding with Russia via fake testimony from a career spy. Millions of people work for the DOD. Yes. THIS! Remember the 50 members of the so called intelligence community that said the Hunter Biden laptop story had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation? Someone already mentioned the fuck Col. McGregor. I remember James Clapper, the U.S. Director of National Intelligence, confessing he had lied under oath to Congress. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:20:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:22:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GySgt_D]
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A couple of us here work, or have worked, on the vip fleet, including vc40's.
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CT, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:27:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Think that has a fighter/tanker escort? Bet there’s a whole formation flying with it |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:34:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:36:47 AM EDT
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https://tvzvezda.ru/news/202212211540-yrD5d.html
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:36:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: general_cluster]
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Intercepted caller indicates that in one area, RU is losing more men to fratricide than enemy fire.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1605541363734351872 edit: fixed link. thanks prime! |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:37:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:41:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:49:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Still not budging on the ATACMS because Putin might hurt Ukraine. What. The. Fuck. Got to bet a big component of this state visit is to get personal with Biden, short-circuit the BS |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:53:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:56:41 AM EDT
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Ukrainian SOF-
In today's realities, we are fulfilling the tasks for which we had been preparing all previous years: SEALs rescued 500 people in one operation The fighters of the 73rd separate center of the SOF of Ukraine spoke about how civilians were evacuated from under the nose of the enemy by water, and did not allow civilians to fall into the occupation. 📹 MTR of Ukraine #heroes_among_us https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/56691 
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:02:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AoD: Nope! But I own maybe 30 guns, a bunch of AR's...most of which I don't shoot anymore. Plus maybe 3-4K of ammo....I'd probably give him a couple of the guns I don't shoot anymore, maybe 1000 rds of ammo.....more if he had friends that we going to fight with him. Hell, I'll never miss that stuff..... People don't understand the SIZE of the US budget....They hear "35 billion" like that a lot of money.  We are giving them almost nothing, sacrificing almost nothing, and we are destroying Russia. Big thing is...after Russia is destroyed....they WON'T be able to enter into an alliance with China....this takes them off the board, before we have to deal with them. We could only hope that we get as good a deal as we got with Ukraine to destroy them too. Maybe Taiwan.  AoD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AoD: Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO: Let's say your neighbor had made some unwise business deals and "bad guys" were coming for him - real bad guys. They've shot up his house a couple times and are organizing to come up the street in force, torches in hand, to burn him out. Would you bankrupt yourself, mortgage your house to the hilt to dig him a mote, install guard towers, walls with razor-wire and buy him every small arm known to man and pay other guys to defend? No? Then, what the fuck are you condemning me and my position on Ukraine for? Nope! But I own maybe 30 guns, a bunch of AR's...most of which I don't shoot anymore. Plus maybe 3-4K of ammo....I'd probably give him a couple of the guns I don't shoot anymore, maybe 1000 rds of ammo.....more if he had friends that we going to fight with him. Hell, I'll never miss that stuff..... People don't understand the SIZE of the US budget....They hear "35 billion" like that a lot of money. We are giving them almost nothing, sacrificing almost nothing, and we are destroying Russia. Big thing is...after Russia is destroyed....they WON'T be able to enter into an alliance with China....this takes them off the board, before we have to deal with them. We could only hope that we get as good a deal as we got with Ukraine to destroy them too. Maybe Taiwan. AoD The debt and deficit spending on "entitlements" and the debt are so large that no Congressman or the Whitehouse want to take action to institute sane spending ( to a budget); none of them want the political heat, most of them don't understand the concept, and a majority don't care when the Federal Reserve tells them that printing is no problem and they're determined to spend anyway, in whatever ill advised or offensive project they come up with next, or they're simply working to destroy the Republic, if not the nation (to satisfy the visions of the likes of international and domestic Marxists, George Soros, Klaus Schwab). |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:03:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Dig them up and send them back to Russia Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkcUHG0WIBgcuFX?format=jpg&name=large Dig them up and send them back to Russia Not worth the effort, just use excavators, dump trucks and the next landfill.  |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:06:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroE: The US hasn't used a budget in well over a decade. The US has spending. The money comes from accounting misdirection that would send a citizen to prison, and printing new money without creating wealth. The debt and deficit spending on "entitlements" and the debt are so large that no Congressman or the Whitehouse want to take action to institute sane spending ( to a budget); none of them want the political heat, most of them don't understand the concept, and a majority don't care when the Federal Reserve tells them that printing is no problem and they're determined to spend anyway, in whatever ill advised or offensive project they come up with next, or they're simply working to destroy the Republic, if not the nation (to satisfy the visions of the likes of international and domestic Marxists, George Soros, Klaus Schwab). This is the whole problem with the treatment of this issue by the allegedly well-meaning fiscal conservatives. The entire system is unsustainable, but to single out one line item and say that’s the one thing that is going to end the Republic is not only wrong but it underrepresents the seriousness of the issue. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:13:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Got to bet a big component of this state visit is to get personal with Biden, short-circuit the BS Does it matter what he gets Biden to agree to? Some staffer will just issue a correction afterwards. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:23:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: The herp and derp crowd is really feeling their oats lately. They are in insult mode in other threads. hope this isn't derailing the thread, but it seems every time russia fails at something or more aid is announced, they up the troll propaganda, which ripples through the increasingly frustrated troll community and on to their useful idiots. increased aid packages and the incoming patriot systems, as well as their inability to do anything but lose men in any attempt to push forward has the idiocy pushed up to 11. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:31:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:32:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:33:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnh57: Does it matter what he gets Biden to agree to? Some staffer will just issue a correction afterwards. I understand your skepticism, but in this case it does matter. The pro-forma protocol is to release a joint statement after a state-level meeting, summarizing points of agreement. If it can be wrapped into that, it’s policy. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:37:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:37:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.ft.com/content/3146a413-9aba-4fd4-86a7-671bce0e6c00 Non paywall link. Russia and China are sharing strategies to undermine NATO, says top US diplomat |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:38:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:39:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: hope this isn't derailing the thread, but it seems every time russia fails at something or more aid is announced, they up the troll propaganda, which ripples through the increasingly frustrated troll community and on to their useful idiots. increased aid packages and the incoming patriot systems, as well as their inability to do anything but lose men in any attempt to push forward has the idiocy pushed up to 11. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: Originally Posted By m35ben: The herp and derp crowd is really feeling their oats lately. They are in insult mode in other threads. hope this isn't derailing the thread, but it seems every time russia fails at something or more aid is announced, they up the troll propaganda, which ripples through the increasingly frustrated troll community and on to their useful idiots. increased aid packages and the incoming patriot systems, as well as their inability to do anything but lose men in any attempt to push forward has the idiocy pushed up to 11. Yep, you can almost set your watch to it. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:40:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: This is the whole problem with the treatment of this issue by the allegedly well-meaning fiscal conservatives. The entire system is unsustainable, but to single out one line item and say that’s the one thing that is going to end the Republic is not only wrong but it underrepresents the seriousness of the issue. It seems that for decades, the official line of most politicians is to intentionally collapse our system (democrats and their dream of a commie-fascist State to replace the USA) OR just accept the inevitable collapse and loot what they can for personal gain (most republicans). |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:41:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:42:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:44:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnh57: Does it matter what he gets Biden to agree to? Some staffer will just issue a correction afterwards. And we wont hear about all the BS pressure to negotiate and coercion being but on Zelensky by Xiden for many years, if ever. I'm sure Zelensky has some stories about conditions and "special demands" from his allies. Shit, Macron has been asking Ukraine to surrender for years! |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:47:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:48:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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4 min ago.
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:49:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: hope this isn't derailing the thread, but it seems every time russia fails at something or more aid is announced, they up the troll propaganda, which ripples through the increasingly frustrated troll community and on to their useful idiots. increased aid packages and the incoming patriot systems, as well as their inability to do anything but lose men in any attempt to push forward has the idiocy pushed up to 11. Probably true. Russia puts out some Bullshit propaganda and within a few hours, idiot posters start popping into the thread "just asking questions"....'Poland will invade Ukraine?', 'how can UA win if they are losing 10K casualties per day?'... I take it as our sacred duty to educate (and ridicule) these folks. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:50:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:56:46 AM EDT
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Putin is posponing his 'important annoucement'
Wonder what the deal is but I'm pretty sure he's is not going to stop the war |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:57:22 AM EDT
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Posted earlier but wow the fratricide being reported.
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:57:59 AM EDT
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50 min ago.
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:59:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:59:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: The jdam could change the war. Man suppression of air defense plus a few dozen glide bombs. Not sure of their range and what they will be strung onto. Hopefully 100km plus. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
JDAM kits? Thats... super interesting.. Wonder what THOSE are going to be used for. The jdam could change the war. Man suppression of air defense plus a few dozen glide bombs. Not sure of their range and what they will be strung onto. Hopefully 100km plus. LASER JDAM adds a seeker head strapped over the ogive of the bomb case. These gravity bombs do not glide.  The JDAM-ER adds a wing kit. A proposed powered JDAM kit adds a jet engine. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:01:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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These companies are out of Russia at the end of the month.
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:05:22 AM EDT
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Meanwhile...Back at The Front Lines....
 Ukrainian Troops Say Russian ''Zombies'' Repeatedly Attack Lines Around Bakhmut |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:07:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Posted earlier but wow the fratricide being reported.
And people doubt the Russian KIA numbers!  There's probably been as many killed by Ukrainian direct action as there has been by fratricide. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:07:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Putin is posponing his 'important annoucement' Wonder what the deal is but I'm pretty sure he's is not going to stop the war Maybe didn’t get what he wanted from Lukashenko, also wait to see if Biden/Zelensky announce anything. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:09:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: I'm very curious how they will get JDAMs to work on their jets. The HARM was neat, but I imagine it's less challenging then getting a JDAM to work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By ricko1: Originally Posted By Cypher15: JDAM kits? Thats... super interesting.. Wonder what THOSE are going to be used for. I'm very curious how they will get JDAMs to work on their jets. The HARM was neat, but I imagine it's less challenging then getting a JDAM to work. Someone has been setting up programming and hardware to make the JDAM kit and the airplane talk to each other. The racks also need to be compatible. I would make this modification by adding an interface box and small annunciator-control- "interpreter" in the cockpit, instead of fooling with integrating into the airplanes programming. (An interpreter that pulls only necessary data off the airplanes buss for feeding to the bomb.) |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:09:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fkau0ZUWIAMsCQx?format=jpg&name=medium Translated video here:
 Attached FileI've been pining over hitting those routes since Summer. Warms the heart. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:09:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://vk.com/wall-115312870_265345 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/Belohorivka_PNG-2639286.png I highly doubt that "Wagnerian" story, especially since they provided a lot of other details but somehow didn't disclose the name of the Ukrainian commander. It just screams "unverifiable propaganda piece" for their side; a whole cloth fantasy of the supposed honor (and victory, though a small one) of Wagner personnel. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:12:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroE: Someone has been setting up programming and hardware to make the JDAM kit and the airplane talk to each other. The racks also need to be compatible. I would make this modification by adding an interface box and small annunciator-control- "interpreter" in the cockpit, instead of fooling with integrating into the airplanes programming. (An interpreter that pulls only necessary data off the airplanes buss for feeding to the bomb.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroE: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By ricko1: Originally Posted By Cypher15: JDAM kits? Thats... super interesting.. Wonder what THOSE are going to be used for. I'm very curious how they will get JDAMs to work on their jets. The HARM was neat, but I imagine it's less challenging then getting a JDAM to work. Someone has been setting up programming and hardware to make the JDAM kit and the airplane talk to each other. The racks also need to be compatible. I would make this modification by adding an interface box and small annunciator-control- "interpreter" in the cockpit, instead of fooling with integrating into the airplanes programming. (An interpreter that pulls only necessary data off the airplanes buss for feeding to the bomb.) It's still damn impressive work. I suspect it's a bit easier with prebriefed targets and no targeting pod integration, just an MGRS point to hit. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:20:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://tvzvezda.ru/news/202212211540-yrD5d.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/8DB51701-096E-4800-B75E-F6D7FFBA3697-2643111.jpg Probably true when all the seriously wounded die in the field. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:23:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Load 'em up in catapults and throw them back. |
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