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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:16:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Whether a troll is a paid foreign agent or an unpaid domestic citizen who doesn’t realize he’s functioning as an agent of influence for an enemy power, the effect is the same. It’s not that i’m unsympathetic or unaware of the problem. If I discussed this with my dad today I think it’d be tough. He’s bought (IMO) into the “if a democrat says it’s black it must be white” paradigm. But I think he has some internal cognitive dissonance - he fought in Nam, and has been a Texas conservative his whole life. And to admit publicly again - I was one of the people who got suckered in 2014. So I more than understand. You can shake loose, but it’s painful. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Capta: Gotta say I agree. Silence gives consent. The large majority of readers here are probably silent and not paid members with an ignore button. If false positions are allowed, without opposition, to be stated continually, consistently, and (as appears to be the tactic) by mutually reinforcing posters, those points will gain traction. It’s the sad reality of propaganda as identified by Dr. Goebbels. ““If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” Maybe we don't need to engage in a running gunbattle with every troll, and the mod edits onto previous troll posts identifying the poster as banned are a useful addition for the people who read in chronological order. But such positions need to be rebutted completely with facts EVERY TIME, for the sake of newer readers to the thread. Yes, it’s tiresome to repeat the same exercise every three days, but the trolls WILL NOT stop. The bottom line is that it’s a cost of doing business in an environment polluted by paid trolls, bots, actual foreign agents, and domestic fools captured by political hatred. I’ll say a couple of things to the last group - domestic fools. You are objectively siding with Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea. Russia has been our sworn enemy for a century, has cost us hundreds of thousands of lives of American servicemen, and has sown untold death, misery, and terror across the world. You are flirting with treason. For God’s sake, re-evaluate your positions and admit you made a mistake. True again. But I dont think they are all trolls here to stir up shit. I have big arguments with my own father who watches conservative Hungarian news sources and basically gets 100% RU propaganda. I KNOW he is not trolling me but honestly believes what he see's and reads on-line. Most busy people watch 1 or 2 news sources, maybe for a few minutes per day and THAT is the basis of their opinions. It's the same shit with folks on the left that only watch cnn or msnbc and are convinced that Trump never paid taxes and Jan6 was an actual insurrection. Whether a troll is a paid foreign agent or an unpaid domestic citizen who doesn’t realize he’s functioning as an agent of influence for an enemy power, the effect is the same. It’s not that i’m unsympathetic or unaware of the problem. If I discussed this with my dad today I think it’d be tough. He’s bought (IMO) into the “if a democrat says it’s black it must be white” paradigm. But I think he has some internal cognitive dissonance - he fought in Nam, and has been a Texas conservative his whole life. And to admit publicly again - I was one of the people who got suckered in 2014. So I more than understand. You can shake loose, but it’s painful. I have the same with Itchy....it's tough in Hungary....all of them are sucking the cock and slopping on the white stuff now. sick of it.... I don't like the pedo and all of the left but whether they LIKE IT OR NOT. THE ORCS INVADED... end of the fucken story.. YOU DO NOT INVADE OTHER COUNTRIES. PERIOD. None of my Hungarian friends can defend that unless they start doing mental gymnastics.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:21:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: We had a US medical unit do a check on the cooks of an ANA unit we were advising. The Afghan cooks had Hep C and TB. Don't think they had AIDS. You go to war with the Army you have, not the one you want. I would think this is going to be like Memphis Belle or Catch 22..the first ex-prison inmate with TB to survive his missions gets a war bonds tour. Picture that. Or maybe they'll parade some fake inmates to drum up recruits from the Gulags. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Exploding AIDS, TB, Hep. patients! Just when I assumed this hellscape could not get any worse. We had a US medical unit do a check on the cooks of an ANA unit we were advising. The Afghan cooks had Hep C and TB. Don't think they had AIDS. You go to war with the Army you have, not the one you want. I would think this is going to be like Memphis Belle or Catch 22..the first ex-prison inmate with TB to survive his missions gets a war bonds tour. Picture that. Or maybe they'll parade some fake inmates to drum up recruits from the Gulags. They’ll probably pick a likely candidate. During WW2, they sent a female Partisan to assassinate the German official overseeing the occupation of what is now Belarus. They wanted him dead because he instituted policies that were winning over the locals. Anyway….she blew him up in his bed with a bomb and escaped and reported back. They actually considered shooting her and picking someone else to make a hero for the deed for a while, but decided against it. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:24:29 PM EST
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:27:01 PM EST
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:33:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/92FD844C-CB8E-41EC-A311-1FAE0CA51E2D_jpe-2643943.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/9DF3B70E-9301-4276-A84E-09D7179226BE_jpe-2643944.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/E80C1B6F-653F-40A1-A6A5-B419194B7806_jpe-2643945.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/334EFFF8-C67C-4A2D-880F-583BAD4B5868_jpe-2643946.JPG I don't think he is a fan of being there. You can see it in his eyes. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:34:10 PM EST
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ISW assessment for December 21st.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-21 |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:39:20 PM EST
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:39:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKaTom: Congratulations! Is that how you made it to 69 posts in 9 years. Lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKaTom: Originally Posted By hoverguy5: 3203 Congratulations! Is that how you made it to 69 posts in 9 years. Lol You know that if you go awhile and say forget your account password for a few years- your post count gets reset..... |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:44:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://tvzvezda.ru/news/202212211540-yrD5d.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/8DB51701-096E-4800-B75E-F6D7FFBA3697-2643111.jpg Fuck, their Class B’s are fucking zip up track suits |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:50:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Video of the Donetsk restaurant where Rogozin was hit.
Guy’s been running around Donbass playing soldier for a while, it’s honestly about time.
Russian TG The fact that Zelensky was not liquidated while he was in Artemovsk is, of course, universal stupidity. Why didn’t rockets fly there? I had this question even during his visit to Kherson, which we left behind. Moreover, he does everything in a revealing way, through the world media, and you know this is informationally correct. This causes a lot of discussion in all sources, and the same soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually respect him for this. This is an information war. So far, we are just beginning to make progress in it, but our enemies have succeeded in this field. Many of our politicians should take an example. Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin is acting correctly, boldly and competently, and this cannot but touch the hearts of people. The headquarters of the commander is at the forefront. It should be. This is war. https://t.me/separ_13/6178
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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:54:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/92FD844C-CB8E-41EC-A311-1FAE0CA51E2D_jpe-2643943.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/9DF3B70E-9301-4276-A84E-09D7179226BE_jpe-2643944.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/E80C1B6F-653F-40A1-A6A5-B419194B7806_jpe-2643945.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/334EFFF8-C67C-4A2D-880F-583BAD4B5868_jpe-2643946.JPG |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:13:09 PM EST
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Trending on Telegram, that US Amb. Brink accompanied Zelensky in order to manage his drug addiction, so he would not be too high while in DC.
Yes they believe this stuff. Note: “Bankova” is a metonym for Ukrainian “White House” - so they are claiming the info came from inside his administration.
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:14:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: I don't think he is a fan of being there. You can see it in his eyes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/92FD844C-CB8E-41EC-A311-1FAE0CA51E2D_jpe-2643943.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/9DF3B70E-9301-4276-A84E-09D7179226BE_jpe-2643944.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/E80C1B6F-653F-40A1-A6A5-B419194B7806_jpe-2643945.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/334EFFF8-C67C-4A2D-880F-583BAD4B5868_jpe-2643946.JPG I don't think he is a fan of being there. You can see it in his eyes. Looked like he wanted to just get through the speech w/o all the applause. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:30:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Honestly, ARF (outside of the tech forums) has become such a cesspool of negativity and insanity that this is the only thread that I visit in GD. The tech threads are still golden but GD is toast folks. GD is mega-AIDS. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:38:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta:That’s a good point which got some confirmation in the recent big NYT article. Reportedly since 2018 (before the invasion) Putin started to personalize his animosity toward Zelensky, because Zelensky proved not to be the lightweight that Putin expected and hoped for. Now Zelensky is proving to be the courageous leader that Putin pretended to be over 20 years. That must really stick in his craw. Point of information: Zelensky was elected in 2019, and announced candidacy at the very end of 2018. He was an actor before that. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:40:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: GD is mega-AIDS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: Honestly, ARF (outside of the tech forums) has become such a cesspool of negativity and insanity that this is the only thread that I visit in GD. The tech threads are still golden but GD is toast folks. GD is mega-AIDS. I think it's fun! It's like getting into bar fights without the disorderly conduct charges and hospital bills!  Just fuel me up and the more fun it gets!  (But yeah, it actually is pretty pathetic what this place, and the "Conservative movement" at large, has turned into.  )
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:40:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: GD is mega-AIDS. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:41:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IEC: My tax dollars being used to equip a sovereign nation's military that just so happens to be beating the half dead, partially-dismembered corpse of the old Soviet boogeyman to death is fine with me. We'll recoup all the spend and then some in new arms deals and increased manufacturing and economic activity stateside. Destroying an enemy by proxy without any boots on the ground. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:42:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I think it's fun! It's like getting into bar fights without the disorderly conduct charges and hospital bills! Just fuel me up and the more fun it gets! (But yeah, it actually is pretty pathetic what this place, and the "Conservative movement" at large, has turned into. ) |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:01:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I've been spending to time trying to figure it out. This division is being pushed from somewhere but I can't really get it narrowed down. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I think it's fun! It's like getting into bar fights without the disorderly conduct charges and hospital bills! Just fuel me up and the more fun it gets! (But yeah, it actually is pretty pathetic what this place, and the "Conservative movement" at large, has turned into. )Well, the genesis is the good old Hammer and Sickle but at this point... 
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:07:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Well, the genesis is the good old Hammer and Sickle but at this point... https://i.imgur.com/1jpBkZJ.gif |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:07:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: I don't think he is a fan of being there. You can see it in his eyes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/92FD844C-CB8E-41EC-A311-1FAE0CA51E2D_jpe-2643943.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/9DF3B70E-9301-4276-A84E-09D7179226BE_jpe-2643944.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/E80C1B6F-653F-40A1-A6A5-B419194B7806_jpe-2643945.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/334EFFF8-C67C-4A2D-880F-583BAD4B5868_jpe-2643946.JPG I don't think he is a fan of being there. You can see it in his eyes. Would you be?
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:21:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Let's face it this thread will be the last hurrah for many of us. The intent on some posters is to push as many of us as possible so they can have their playground. We are being divided now and will continue to be. There is a new age of conservatism and we get to sit in the corner and watch. I'm glad I am old. This country is going to suck mightily in 10 years. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:22:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Let's face it this thread will be the last hurrah for many of us. The intent on some posters is to push as many of us as possible so they can have their playground. We are being divided now and will continue to be. There is a new age of conservatism and we get to sit in the corner and watch. I hear you, but I am not so pessimistic. There has been, since the late 19th C., a strong and constant nativist/isolationist element in American politics. In the beginning and through the 20s, it was Democratic because of labor, foreign policy, and tariff issues. FDR/WWII flipped that script and it shifted to the Republican party for the most part (a slow progress). They are vocal, passionate, but in the long run, irrelevant. We have done the right thing in the past and I think will continue to do so. The internet and coordinated subversion efforts just put that right in your ear (or on your screen, rather), unlike in the past. They are targeted and manipulated by sophisticated foreign disinfo ops, but now have a megaphone instead of just being able to write letters to the editor and make feeble, but visible, marches and protests as before. All people I talk to IRL are pro-Ukrainian. When I encounter people on non-high profile forums (local/regional gun board, e.g.), it’s pretty much true and the anti’s are amenable to reason and looking at facts; getting past the disinfo. I think it’s not as dire as it might sound at first blush. (I pray). |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:22:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Let's face it this thread will be the last hurrah for many of us. The intent on some posters is to push as many of us as possible so they can have their playground. We are being divided now and will continue to be. There is a new age of conservatism and we get to sit in the corner and watch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Well, the genesis is the good old Hammer and Sickle but at this point... https://i.imgur.com/1jpBkZJ.gif I've been a "man without a country" for a while. It's just reaching the endgame. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:33:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Ukrainian heavy quad style drone shot down by Russian forces. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zs1zsu/heavy_quad_drone_of_ukraine_brought_down_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb Didn't look shot down to me. Looked more like a battery failure. Seems to me if it had been shot down, the ordnance would have gone off unless they have some sort of safety on them that gets pulled on release from the drone. Also, it looks a lot like the 8-motor unit that a Korean company makes (though it isn't hard to imagine somebody else making something similar). Four arms that branch out for 8 total motors. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:43:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By apr67: Would it make more sense to release things like ATACMS to UA without announcing it, or at least wait until the Russians are already aware because a bunch of shit got destroyed by errant cigarettes? Not in intel or any kind of military expert but things like patriot that can be seen by sat are one things, but ATACMS are just basically a different (better) bullet for the HIMARS, right? Yes it should be heard about after it hits the naval base at sabastopol, Rostov on don, the Kerch bridge, the rail line into Donetsk, anything goes boom. Let the Russians show fragments and us deny it. That’s how it should be done. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:02:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: I hear you, but I am not so pessimistic. There has been, since the late 19th C., a strong and constant nativist/isolationist element in American politics. In the beginning and through the 20s, it was Democratic because of labor, foreign policy, and tariff issues. FDR/WWII flipped that script and it shifted to the Republican party for the most part (a slow progress). They are vocal, passionate, but in the long run, irrelevant. We have done the right thing in the past and I think will continue to do so. The internet and coordinated subversion efforts just put that right in your ear (or on your screen, rather), unlike in the past. They are targeted and manipulated by sophisticated foreign disinfo ops, but now have a megaphone instead of just being able to write letters to the editor and make feeble, but visible, marches and protests as before. All people I talk to IRL are pro-Ukrainian. When I encounter people on non-high profile forums (local/regional gun board, e.g.), it's pretty much true and the anti's are amenable to reason and looking at facts; getting past the disinfo. I think it's not as dire as it might sound at first blush. (I pray). |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:03:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I've been a "man without a country" for a while. It's just reaching the endgame. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:04:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: You aren't a man without a country. We are a tribe on a island. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I've been a "man without a country" for a while. It's just reaching the endgame. 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:08:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: This goes far beyond Ukraine. Ukraine is just the current bashing point. After Ukraine there will always be another. It isn't going to end the The quick quip and derogatory mentality has seated itself firmly and has good power now. People will continue to be influenced to act as such and be rewarded for it. Yep, I get that. It’s been that way a LONG time - Ukraine is just the current flavor. One way to control it, I think, is to make politics “local.” For example - an Election in Oregon: no money or paid speech from outside Oregon. A political thread on a forum? No VPNs, and/or big banners across the top on posts, making for an effective disclosure. There are ways to fight it we have not got ahead of yet, and I think we will. Musk ripping the festering scab off Twitter’s malignant cancer is likely going to help this. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:13:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: GD is mega-AIDS. The more I see Andy post, the more I like him. so fucking true. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:14:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zx2man: The more I see Andy post, the more I like him. so fucking true. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:17:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Yep, I get that. It's been that way a LONG time - Ukraine is just the current flavor. One way to control it, I think, is to make politics "local." For example - an Election in Oregon: no money or paid speech from outside Oregon. A political thread on a forum? No VPNs, and/or big banners across the top on posts, making for an effective disclosure. There are ways to fight it we have not got ahead of yet, and I think we will. Musk ripping the festering scab off Twitter's malignant cancer is likely going to help this. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 12:49:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Considering State and to a lesser extent the Pentagon often complain that getting info out of Kyiv about their plans, ect is like pulling teeth…..I think the higher ups there expect it from Washington. I bet they’ve been squirreling away a lot of the stuff we gave them, too. Zelenskyy has had the naïveté beaten out of him since he took office, especially the war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By johnh57: Originally Posted By 7empest: Damn he looked uncomfortable. Can't say I blame him being next to Biden would be even scarier than being on the front lines.. I've been following some of the Ukraine tweets on Twitter. They are all fawning over how great a man fjb is. I sincerely hope they have a viable plan B for when fjb fucks them over. Considering State and to a lesser extent the Pentagon often complain that getting info out of Kyiv about their plans, ect is like pulling teeth…..I think the higher ups there expect it from Washington. I bet they’ve been squirreling away a lot of the stuff we gave them, too. Zelenskyy has had the naïveté beaten out of him since he took office, especially the war. I don’t blame Ukraine for being cagey. First, there’s the very real possibility that information leak in the (non-nefarious) way that info always leaks in Washington. Beyond that, Washington has a lot of leverage over Kyiv, but Kyiv has a lot of reason to be skeptical of Washington’s motives. Even a cursory look at the last 15 years of US policy will show plenty of mixed signals toward Ukraine. Giving the US too much depth of knowledge into Ukraine’s plans by definition gives the US more time and ability to leverage Ukraine in directions that Washington wants and away from directions Washington doesn’t want. US and Ukrainian war aims probably do not line up 100%. I’ll be the first to say that (IMO) US interests are best served by smashing Russia to pieces. I’m OK with bleeding Russia out even if that is more costly to Ukraine in the short term, but 100% victory for Ukraine and 100% defeat for Russia should be the only outcome we accept. Is this how the US power structure sees it? Ehhhhhhhh……. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 1:05:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: ISW assessment for December 21st. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-21 Read it. My conclusion: ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT RUSSIA CAN BE NEGOTIATED OR REASONED WITH IS A FOOL OF THE FIRST ORDER. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:08:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: This goes far beyond Ukraine. Ukraine is just the current bashing point. After Ukraine there will always be another. It isn't going to end the The quick quip and derogatory mentality has seated itself firmly and has good power now. People will continue to be influenced to act as such and be rewarded for it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Jack67: I hear you, but I am not so pessimistic. There has been, since the late 19th C., a strong and constant nativist/isolationist element in American politics. In the beginning and through the 20s, it was Democratic because of labor, foreign policy, and tariff issues. FDR/WWII flipped that script and it shifted to the Republican party for the most part (a slow progress). They are vocal, passionate, but in the long run, irrelevant. We have done the right thing in the past and I think will continue to do so. The internet and coordinated subversion efforts just put that right in your ear (or on your screen, rather), unlike in the past. They are targeted and manipulated by sophisticated foreign disinfo ops, but now have a megaphone instead of just being able to write letters to the editor and make feeble, but visible, marches and protests as before. All people I talk to IRL are pro-Ukrainian. When I encounter people on non-high profile forums (local/regional gun board, e.g.), it's pretty much true and the anti's are amenable to reason and looking at facts; getting past the disinfo. I think it's not as dire as it might sound at first blush. (I pray). I hear you. I've been feeling for a while like it's becoming just a mashup of defeatism, ignorance, hostility, and conspiracies. The culture is rotting. Even good, long timers have become toxic. I hope we can turn it around. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:10:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zx2man: The more I see Andy post, the more I like him. so fucking true. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zx2man: Originally Posted By 1Andy2: GD is mega-AIDS. The more I see Andy post, the more I like him. so fucking true. He's a solid poster. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:21:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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A grim jubilee.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:28:50 AM EST
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:41:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkkE7Z6WQAIvYSA?format=jpg&name=large  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:44:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: Easterner]
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:49:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I've been a "man without a country" for a while. It's just reaching the endgame. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Well, the genesis is the good old Hammer and Sickle but at this point... https://i.imgur.com/1jpBkZJ.gif I've been a "man without a country" for a while. It's just reaching the endgame. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:57:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: I hear you. I've been feeling for a while like it's becoming just a mashup of defeatism, ignorance, hostility, and conspiracies. The culture is rotting. Even good, long timers have become toxic. I hope we can turn it around. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Jack67: I hear you, but I am not so pessimistic. There has been, since the late 19th C., a strong and constant nativist/isolationist element in American politics. In the beginning and through the 20s, it was Democratic because of labor, foreign policy, and tariff issues. FDR/WWII flipped that script and it shifted to the Republican party for the most part (a slow progress). They are vocal, passionate, but in the long run, irrelevant. We have done the right thing in the past and I think will continue to do so. The internet and coordinated subversion efforts just put that right in your ear (or on your screen, rather), unlike in the past. They are targeted and manipulated by sophisticated foreign disinfo ops, but now have a megaphone instead of just being able to write letters to the editor and make feeble, but visible, marches and protests as before. All people I talk to IRL are pro-Ukrainian. When I encounter people on non-high profile forums (local/regional gun board, e.g.), it's pretty much true and the anti's are amenable to reason and looking at facts; getting past the disinfo. I think it's not as dire as it might sound at first blush. (I pray). I hear you. I've been feeling for a while like it's becoming just a mashup of defeatism, ignorance, hostility, and conspiracies. The culture is rotting. Even good, long timers have become toxic. I hope we can turn it around. This is what I’m seeing too. So much hatred, that they hate everybody. Loss of Hope, to the point where they don’t like seeing anyone with Hope. Fear, to the point where they despise anyone who displays courage. For the newest and obvious trolls, it’s expected and normal SOP. But the long time conservatives, victims of ideological subversion and demoralization? It’s a tragedy, and I hope our culture can recover from it. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 3:00:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Trending on Telegram, that US Amb. Brink accompanied Zelensky in order to manage his drug addiction, so he would not be too high while in DC. Yes they believe this stuff. Note: "Bankova" is a metonym for Ukrainian "White House" - so they are claiming the info came from inside his administration.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/BE210132-EFD1-4DE4-9A0F-F460E4A87DAF_jpe-2644034.JPG So the Russians are saying the leader of the nation who's troops are kicking their asses is a drug addict?... Those crazy bastards just can't stop reliving World War Two can they? |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 3:09:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: So the Russians are saying the leader of the nation who's troops are kicking their asses is a drug addict?... Those crazy bastards just can't stop reliving World War Two can they? Yeah, they’ve been at this a while. Here is the most famous example. This was back in April or sometime - photoshopping in coke and then blasting it around social media.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 3:22:18 AM EST
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:09:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: We'll do another Scot Ritter ON Redacted. Dont give em the click just to mprove I'm not just making up looney shit - Lopsided Russian advantage. - Russia has a hands down advatage in troops, equipment and tactics - Ukriane can no longer wage combined arms warfare. - Ukraine has no atrillery and no ammo, Russia destoyed everything. - Ukraine has no tanks or armored vehicles. - Russia has been holding back. Now Russia wil send in the good stufTM - Russia to push Ukraine back 200km. - Odessa on the board. - Ukraine wil become a land locked country. - When Russia's offensive starts it's a unstoppeble tidalwave. - Russian terms wil be surrender or die and if they don't surrender fast they wil be killed. - Taking of Odessa is going to happen and link up with Tranistia. - Russian's are methodical unstoppable force. - Odessa done by the end of summer.  The comments are depressing. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:32:42 AM EST
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:32:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: @fervid_dryfire, there was a post a little earlier about the MT-120 cluster mortar, which had sub-munitions which were impact-fused, AND time fused with an onboard capacitor, which was only charged by a A really eloquent solution to the dud problem, IMHO. RE: the Apaches, I think the UA forces could use anything we gave them given enough time (and they have plenty of motivation), and I think operating at night would REALLY be effective because the RU forces are known to be so deficient in night vision and thermals. However, I think we are still looking at a similar timeline as for fighter jet training...it would be months before there was a core group of pilots, gunners, and most especially maintainers, that could actually yield a meaningful number of sorties. I think that would be really smart marketing and strategic thinking for the US, considering that Poland is going to order to many Apaches, but....if wishes were horses then beggars would ride. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: AC-130s shouldn't go out unless you have air supremacy. Same for A-10s, in my opinion- but air superiority is "adequate" if you provide a SEAD package with them. Apaches at night sounds awesome but since I'm from the USAF side I don't know what the Army doctrine prefers for their use. Ukrainians would surely make use of them no matter how much of the air environment is under their control though. Cluster munitions would be the easiest and least expensive single thing to provide to Ukraine, I think. Hopefully we've developed the technology and design to keep expended cluster munitions from becoming UXO hazards by the time the war is over. A "detonate 60 days after deployment" setting, or something. @fervid_dryfire, there was a post a little earlier about the MT-120 cluster mortar, which had sub-munitions which were impact-fused, AND time fused with an onboard capacitor, which was only charged by a A really eloquent solution to the dud problem, IMHO. RE: the Apaches, I think the UA forces could use anything we gave them given enough time (and they have plenty of motivation), and I think operating at night would REALLY be effective because the RU forces are known to be so deficient in night vision and thermals. However, I think we are still looking at a similar timeline as for fighter jet training...it would be months before there was a core group of pilots, gunners, and most especially maintainers, that could actually yield a meaningful number of sorties. I think that would be really smart marketing and strategic thinking for the US, considering that Poland is going to order to many Apaches, but....if wishes were horses then beggars would ride. @GTLandser Interesting info! Thanks for shedding some light on the cluster munitions concerns. |
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