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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 6:53:33 PM EST
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Posted: 1/4/2023 6:58:33 PM EST
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:04:01 PM EST
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European natural gas prices, which soared last year after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, have now fallen well below their levels before the start of the war, reflecting the continent's success rounding up alternatives to Russian gas, widespread conservation efforts and a relatively mild winter. On Tuesday, the wholesale price for European natural gas, measured by the benchmark Dutch T.T.F. futures contract for February, was selling for around 76 euros a megawatt-hour. On the eve of Russia's push into its neighbor last February, the contract sold for about 88. This is a remarkable turnaround. Just months ago, as Russia curtailed and eventually cut off most exports of the fuel to Europe, there were intense fears that the continent would run out of gas this winter. That pushed prices to an August peak of more than 340 a megawatt-hour, about five times current levels. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/business/europe-natural-gas-prices.html |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:08:32 PM EST
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Is something going on in Soledar? The YTer “HistoryLegends is claiming the Russians are in Soledar. Granted, he’s a puffer, but I’m curious if there is any truth to this or not.
 Wagner Assault Units Are Storming SOLEDAR! |
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USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:10:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: US Army has been digging tanks and bradleys in with bulldozers and fighting the defense since the NTC stood up in the 1980s. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7EpNKH3joFdGoN_k7Yw1Bceun2zyPTsHRJg&usqp=CAU Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: US Army has been digging tanks and bradleys in with bulldozers and fighting the defense since the NTC stood up in the 1980s. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7EpNKH3joFdGoN_k7Yw1Bceun2zyPTsHRJg&usqp=CAU This isn't a static position. Golan Heights was 50 years ago, this year. Tanks and armored vehicles in the deliberate defense is totally sound if you don't have a lot of AT guns or ATGMs that can fill the gap.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okhd_ijkI6kThe fighting at the Golan Heights wasn't static. Everytime in history somebody decided to put a tank in a static position, the tank was toast sooner or later. Ask the Turks how it worked out to put the Leopard 2s in static positions against ISIS. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:21:02 PM EST
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:27:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: I think the intriguing capability here is "amphibious capability". River crossings are a PITA under the best circumstances, being able to seize and rapidly expand the bridgehead prevents having to do an "opposed river crossing", which is the stuff of nightmares for everyone involved. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Finally, a Western nation is sending tanks. France to send AMX-10 RC light tanks. Zelensky himself on Twitter. That's a pretty neat looking "tank". Is that sporting a 105mm? I know, I know, it's wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-10_RC The RC model has additional armor added but the amphibious capability removed. It has a medium pressure 105mm that is not compatible with NATO ammo, and is not stabilized. If that is accurate, I don't know how much help it will be in a rapid advance/ break through if it can't fire while moving. Still I'm glad it's coming. I think the intriguing capability here is "amphibious capability". River crossings are a PITA under the best circumstances, being able to seize and rapidly expand the bridgehead prevents having to do an "opposed river crossing", which is the stuff of nightmares for everyone involved. Active protection, battlefield management system, and thermals. Teamed with BTR-3/4 (or Brads?), it sounds like a pretty nice heavy recon unit. They were upgraded 12 years ago if the wiki is accurate. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:27:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Biden himself put Brads on the table.
Is on the wire services, too. But they need to send them in volume, not 50 or 60. Get them enough, trained and supplied to be useful in a late spring offensive. This would be awesome if it happened. How feasible would it be for a stream of Bradleys to pull off a major flanking maneuver around and set up an eventual retaking of Mariupol, for example? Or what about a lightning push through Crimea, not unlike when Patton stormed through Sicily? Of course, it doesn't have to be those locations; any deep push toward retaking land in places where the Orcs are spread thin would be great. I understand them not wanting to overextend themselves in an offensive, but Ukrainians have proven that they have the guts and ambition to make a move like this, haven't they? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:28:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Those reflectors are useless. At best they are used to confuse primarily airborne radars, so maybe an old cruse missile Newer missiles are mainly GPS or laser directed Signed: Confused  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: High resolution Commercial SAR image from August 3rd. https://planesandstuff.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/capella_c02_sp_gec_hh_20220803185823_20220803185841.jpg?w=1908 Newer missiles are mainly GPS or laser directed Signed: Confused |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:32:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Is something going on in Soledar? The YTer “HistoryLegends is claiming the Russians are in Soledar. Granted, he’s a puffer, but I’m curious if there is any truth to this or not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqYOmY12YHUI found this detailed tweet citing Russian sources, but essentially it's the same as it was months ago.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:37:03 PM EST
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Was this posted yet?
From a nasty pro-Russian account. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:46:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Was this posted yet?
From a nasty pro-Russian account. It is a very slow grind. 
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:52:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/business/europe-natural-gas-prices.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: European natural gas prices, which soared last year after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, have now fallen well below their levels before the start of the war, reflecting the continent's success rounding up alternatives to Russian gas, widespread conservation efforts and a relatively mild winter. On Tuesday, the wholesale price for European natural gas, measured by the benchmark Dutch T.T.F. futures contract for February, was selling for around 76 euros a megawatt-hour. On the eve of Russia's push into its neighbor last February, the contract sold for about 88. This is a remarkable turnaround. Just months ago, as Russia curtailed and eventually cut off most exports of the fuel to Europe, there were intense fears that the continent would run out of gas this winter. That pushed prices to an August peak of more than 340 a megawatt-hour, about five times current levels. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/business/europe-natural-gas-prices.html That’s awesome news. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:53:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: gentlemanfarmer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Is something going on in Soledar? The YTer “HistoryLegends is claiming the Russians are in Soledar. Granted, he’s a puffer, but I’m curious if there is any truth to this or not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqYOmY12YHUThat guy is straight Putin puffer, won’t click his trash. Looks like they captured a block or two. Not surprising lots of guys on leave rotation for holidays. I expect it will reverse or stabilize. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:58:29 PM EST
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Bad joke but funny from friend in national LE there. Us donated 50 year old winter camo to Ukraine.
 Attached FileI said it had to be at least Korean War or early indochina vintage. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 8:00:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dominion21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Entire cities are being leveled, chances are better than fair that the Ukr inians have destroyed a church or two. That is likely absolutely true. Have they done it because they hate Christianity? No, and that is one of the more absurd lies the Russians have told. Until they start telling us where they are shipping Ukrainian children, and why the are executing civilians, nothing they say should be considered reliable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: One of my friends posted a screenshot from one source (I didn't recognize the format, maybe Telegram?) claiming that "Ukrainian Uniates" were attacking Russian Orthodox churches on Russian soil (including Donbas), and have been repeatedly doing so since 2014, because "Ukrainians hate Christianity.". Anyone have background on this claim? Is this just another lie to divert from the emerging examples of the Russian church being a political cult that is directly affiliated with the state? Have they done it because they hate Christianity? No, and that is one of the more absurd lies the Russians have told. Until they start telling us where they are shipping Ukrainian children, and why the are executing civilians, nothing they say should be considered reliable. It is pure Russian propaganda that Ukrainians are anti-Christian. Facts are: - both countries were historically eastern Orthodox Christians predominantly; - Marx preached atheism (he said: “religion is the opiate of the masses”); - almost 50’years of Russian Marxism under the USSR decimated religious practice in both countries; - Putin was briefly the acting head of the KGB, and apparently he was involved in (or well aware of) corrupting the Russian Orthodox Church by turning its Pope (the Russian Patriarch) into a paid KGB asset, so the KGB could control anything the church does, and force it to follow the Russian government’s will; - Putin still controls the Russian Patriarch. It’s extremely likely he has “kompromat” or KGB blackmail material on the Patriarch, so the patriarch supports the war, and Putin in turn pretends he’s a Christian; - Russians still raise the communist flags in Russia and in occupied Ukraine, and still have a very large and active communist party (and party members almost universally hate all religion). These facts are not in dispute: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_Kirill_of_Moscow#Breguet_watch Kiril is not a Christian. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 8:10:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It is a very slow grind. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlpNx35XwAEZDnt?format=jpg&name=900x900 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Was this posted yet?
From a nasty pro-Russian account. It is a very slow grind. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlpNx35XwAEZDnt?format=jpg&name=900x900 Thanks for the added perspective. Looks like the orcs have taken the fields around the town. I hate to see them take any Ukrainian towns. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 8:11:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: Yeah, but at least the new tsar has a gutted army, gutted air force, war-weary population, troubled energy industry, Finland in NATO, Kurile-island issues, weapons industry marketing problems, cliques to appease, ethnic groups to appease, sanctions to deal with, and a host of other things. History says that will take 21 years before he's ready to attack again and, by then, maybe something better comes along. Don’t forget Russian demographic collapse in the next ten years. It’s inevitable. There will be no young people to field an army to go offensive. Barely able to control the borders or even keep a lid on restive republics. Russia will be a shit show. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 8:31:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Best I can tell the M109 seems to be doing fine over there. Its an older piece of equipment but its still very good. The artillery guy I talked to speaks highly of them and the krab. They keep trucking along. The pzh2000s are sensitive, like a Mercedes. The m109 and krab are like Toyota and Ford. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 8:55:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: Don’t forget Russian demographic collapse in the next ten years. It’s inevitable. There will be no young people to field an army to go offensive. Barely able to control the borders or even keep a lid on restive republics. Russia will be a shit show. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: Originally Posted By vahog: Yeah, but at least the new tsar has a gutted army, gutted air force, war-weary population, troubled energy industry, Finland in NATO, Kurile-island issues, weapons industry marketing problems, cliques to appease, ethnic groups to appease, sanctions to deal with, and a host of other things. History says that will take 21 years before he's ready to attack again and, by then, maybe something better comes along. Don’t forget Russian demographic collapse in the next ten years. It’s inevitable. There will be no young people to field an army to go offensive. Barely able to control the borders or even keep a lid on restive republics. Russia will be a shit show. The time for settling all disputes with Russia is coming soon. The demographic bomb is understated. 100,000 prime reproduction-age Russians are already in graves, and a few thousand more every week means many fewer Russian babies. Not to mention the expats that won't come back until Russia is fit to rejoin modern society. By this time next year (if it's not already), Russia's reproduction-age population will permanently be a million less than it was in 2021. The population impact extended to the next generation means millions of future Russians that will never be. Putin thought he could fix that by adding 50 million Ukrainians under Moscow's thumb, but he didn't learn from 2014 that the Ukrainians don't want to be Russians. FVP. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:10:49 PM EST
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ISW assessment for January 4th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-january-4-2023 |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:20:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: Easterner]
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Yaay 4am explosion. Sounded like an interception, and it wasn't a football.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:24:45 PM EST
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:28:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Okay this war has flipped me head over heels. I was one who thought he got railroaded for doing what every politician does but damn I smell a rat. Maybe he was a shill for foreign governments. UAE or Turkey with Russia pulling the strings? Populism? God it makes me sick. What planet are we living on? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Two notes: Russia has some well-placed supporters all over, and Trump was not good at picking staff.
Okay this war has flipped me head over heels. I was one who thought he got railroaded for doing what every politician does but damn I smell a rat. Maybe he was a shill for foreign governments. UAE or Turkey with Russia pulling the strings? Populism? God it makes me sick. What planet are we living on? I voted for Trump twice. I am new to this thread and feel like it might be out of line to speak too freely. There were some head scratchers on Trumps first cabinet and this dude made me do a double take! Maybe one day I can even start a thread about him but for now I will just say he was on the wrong side!! |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:29:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Good info. Every vehicle will be helpful. If that's accurate maybe it can take up some static positions and free up tanks or other vehicles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: I know, I know, it's wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-10_RC The RC model has additional armor added but the amphibious capability removed. It has a medium pressure 105mm that is not compatible with NATO ammo, and is not stabilized. If that is accurate, I don't know how much help it will be in a rapid advance/ break through if it can't fire while moving. Still I'm glad it's coming. Good info. Every vehicle will be helpful. If that's accurate maybe it can take up some static positions and free up tanks or other vehicles. Move them to Belarus border to put t72 and t64 tanks elsewhere. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:32:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
I didn't realize it was so bad for Ukraine. They've lost three times as many aircraft as they operated. 
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:36:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Yaay 4am explosion. Sounded like an interception, and it wasn't a football. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:37:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: I don’t see enough domestic factions in tension within the Russian ethnic group. It’s difficult to say, “the war is widely supported” and “it will lead to civil war” and make those connect. It could lead to a coup, it could lead to some already marginal distant non-Russian republics breaking off, but I can’t see civil war in the true meaning of the term. I do agree there’s no home-grown healthy replacement. Let’s say you gut the ruling elites, haul Navalny out of prison and make him premier until an election (which he wins). You still have a xenophobic Russian ultra-nationalist as a new tsar for the Russian government. The same authoritarian, colonial dynamic continues. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The prospect of civil war in Russia is very interesting, to say the least. I do think that it will eventually happen, especially if Putin mobilizes further, which it's looking like he will. While I'm admittedly an extremely cynical person, I truly can't envision whatever replaces the Putin regime being much better. I can easily envision a post-Putin Russian government attempting to rebuild militarily, learn from the mistakes in Ukraine, carry out cyber-attacks against its neighboring states (something they've done before), arm anti-western insurgent groups heavily, continue to foster political division in the west, etc. I don’t see enough domestic factions in tension within the Russian ethnic group. It’s difficult to say, “the war is widely supported” and “it will lead to civil war” and make those connect. It could lead to a coup, it could lead to some already marginal distant non-Russian republics breaking off, but I can’t see civil war in the true meaning of the term. I do agree there’s no home-grown healthy replacement. Let’s say you gut the ruling elites, haul Navalny out of prison and make him premier until an election (which he wins). You still have a xenophobic Russian ultra-nationalist as a new tsar for the Russian government. The same authoritarian, colonial dynamic continues. That's fair. I suppose I was using civil war in a broad, all-encompassing sense that included possibilities such as coups, increasing unrest and partisan activity, etc. I think the majority of the Russian security/intelligence apparatus and the Russian population as a whole support the war, provided that they perceive that they're winning and that in the case of ordinary Russians, they don't actually have to put themselves at risk. Further territorial loss and further mobilization put Putin at risk of being disposed, with the support of a good chunk of the Russian population. At least, that's my arm chair, mostly uninformed opinion. Should Putin get disposed of, I highly doubt it will be by liberal democrats who want to break bread with the West. I also highly doubt that whoever replaces Putin will curtail Russian desires for a "sphere of influence," ultra-nationationalism to the point of derangement, and hostility towards the west. This is the main reason why I'm hopeful Europe will seriously rearm in the aftermath of this war. I simply don't see the Russian threat vanishing entirely, and while I have absolutely no issues with our current level of support for Ukraine, I would eventually like to see Europe pick up some of the slack so we can pivot towards China. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:39:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: I didn't realize it was so bad for Ukraine. They've lost three times as many aircraft as they operated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
I didn't realize it was so bad for Ukraine. They've lost three times as many aircraft as they operated. Those are Russian stats. Read the comments. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:45:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Sorry there was an attack. Though right now there are no Fuck Ukraine threads going so that is nice. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:47:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: theskuh]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Those are Russian stats. Read the comments.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:48:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: The artillery guy I talked to speaks highly of them and the krab. They keep trucking along. The pzh2000s are sensitive, like a Mercedes. The m109 and krab are like Toyota and Ford. Good impressions. All 3 have been put to good use to avoid Russian counter-battery fire with “shoot and scoot” capability, plus they can retreat - if necessary- under fire with better survivability. The PzH-2000 has a special “rapid fire” mode for a few rounds; not sure if they’ve been using it in Ukr. In Poland, the Germans set up a special service depot to repair and refurbish the PzH-2000 (and they can be sensitive). The real masterpiece of 155s will be the Swedish Archer, as I believe it’s the fastest to deploy, and likely the most accurate. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:49:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/463_zps14d92c11_JPG-106.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Those are Russian stats. Read the comments. Sometimes I'm too subtle.
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:49:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
lol. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:51:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Sorry there was an attack. Though right now there are no Fuck Ukraine threads going so that is nice. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Easterner: Yaay 4am explosion. Sounded like an interception, and it wasn't a football. Those will start up very soon with the next aid package, including Bradley IFV's. 
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:55:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: I didn't realize it was so bad for Ukraine. They've lost three times as many aircraft as they operated. And 87 HIMARS have been destroyed. Ruzzia stronk. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:55:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Those will start up very soon with the next aid package, including Bradley IFV's. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Easterner: Yaay 4am explosion. Sounded like an interception, and it wasn't a football. Those will start up very soon with the next aid package, including Bradley IFV's. And I'll inevitably participate against my better judgement..
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:55:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Sometimes I'm too subtle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Those are Russian stats. Read the comments. Sometimes I'm too subtle. I was like "did he really miss that part...." 
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:56:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Those are Russian stats. Read the comments. No. It's a pro-Russian account cheerleading for Russia with BS stats. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:57:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dominion21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Wow - thanks for that link; the Russian’s numbers are comical. Scrolling down, there is lots of pro-Russian bs. One interesting video: looks like Ukrainian soldiers caught 2 collaborators and punished them by first cling-wrapping their torsos to a public sign post, then pulling their pants down. They are lucky to be alive. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 10:00:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: And 87 HIMARS have been destroyed. Ruzzia stronk. Bro, pls belive meme.jpg |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 10:20:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Move them to Belarus border to put t72 and t64 tanks elsewhere. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: I know, I know, it's wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-10_RC The RC model has additional armor added but the amphibious capability removed. It has a medium pressure 105mm that is not compatible with NATO ammo, and is not stabilized. If that is accurate, I don't know how much help it will be in a rapid advance/ break through if it can't fire while moving. Still I'm glad it's coming. Good info. Every vehicle will be helpful. If that's accurate maybe it can take up some static positions and free up tanks or other vehicles. Move them to Belarus border to put t72 and t64 tanks elsewhere. the same wiki article says that 256 were upgraded to AMX-10RCR standard with a stabilized NATO standard 105mm gun among other things. France has a total of 248 in service, so I think they upgraded all of their AMX-10RC's including any they will give to Ukraine. That would make them much more useful if they can use NATO ammo. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 10:28:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2A373]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlW2lgQXoAAj_2B?format=jpg&name=900x900 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlW2lgQXoAAj_2B?format=jpg&name=900x900 Originally Posted By lorazepam: Appears to be an adapter on the pylon to put that missile there. @lorazepam I'm going back to this since I finally got caught up after getting a few days behind. Not sure why you posted the picture in this thread, but I'll explain what you are looking at. That is a Gripen with a AIM-120 mounted on what looks to be a LAU-128 missile rail that is used to rail launch AIM-9/120s on a lot of fighters. AIM-9 and -120 on LAU-128s on an F-15 wing pylon. There is an adapter between the pylon and LAU-128 but I don't remember its nomenclature.  Attached FileF-16 with -120s on pylon mounted LAU-128s.  Attached FileAnother way AIM-120s are launched is by using a type of launcher that basically pushes them away from the aircraft before their rocket motor fires. F-15s uses LAU-106 launchers to do this for the fuselage weapons stations. The launchers use explosive cartridges (the same ones used to jettison bombs and external fuel tanks) to drive two pistons that force the missile away from the aircraft. I've circled the pistons in the picture below. The semi-circle fitting on the front one is affectionately called the "Eagle Claw" because it always seems to grab you and it hurts like a MF when it does.  Attached FileF-22s use hydraulically powered LAU-142 launchers to fire -120s. The inboard launcher in the picture below is in the full extended position like when it is launching a missile. It is mind boggling how fast they operate when in launch mode.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 10:32:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aikibiker: the same wiki article says that 256 were upgraded to AMX-10RCR standard with a stabilized NATO standard 105mm gun among other things. France has a total of 248 in service, so I think they upgraded all of their AMX-10RC's including any they will give to Ukraine. That would make them much more useful if they can use NATO ammo. No production variant uses the NATO 105mm. The RCR is not amphibious. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 10:32:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: @lorazepam I'm going back to this since I finally got caught up after getting a few days behind. Not sure why you posted the picture in this thread, but I'll explain what you are looking at. That is a Gripen with a AIM-120 mounted on what looks to be a LAU-128 missile rail that is used to rail launch AIM-9/120s on a lot of fighters. AIM-9 and -120 on LAU-128s on an F-15 wing pylon. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/F-15E-Pylon-AIM120-AIM9_jpg-2660819.JPG F-16 with -120s on pylon mounted LAU-128s. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/article_61fbe3ea56ca44_08798426_jpg-2660822.JPG Another way AIM-120s are launched is by using a type of launcher that basically pushes them away from the aircraft before their rocket motor fires. F-15s uses LAU-106 launchers to do this for the fuselage weapons stations. The launchers use explosive cartridges (the same ones used to jettison bombs and external fuel tanks) to drive two pistons that force the missile away from the aircraft. I've circled the pistons in the picture below. The semi-circle fitting on the front one is affectionately called the "Eagle Claw" because it always seems to grab you and it hurts like a MF when it does. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/061018-F-0522D-037_jpg-2660857.JPG F-22s use hydraulically powered LAU-142 launchers to fire -120s. The inboard launcher in the picture below is in the full extended position like when it is launching a missile. It is mind boggling how fast they operate when in launch mode. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/avel_jpg-2660870.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: Originally Posted By lorazepam: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlW2lgQXoAAj_2B?format=jpg&name=900x900 Originally Posted By lorazepam: Appears to be an adapter on the pylon to put that missile there. @lorazepam I'm going back to this since I finally got caught up after getting a few days behind. Not sure why you posted the picture in this thread, but I'll explain what you are looking at. That is a Gripen with a AIM-120 mounted on what looks to be a LAU-128 missile rail that is used to rail launch AIM-9/120s on a lot of fighters. AIM-9 and -120 on LAU-128s on an F-15 wing pylon. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/F-15E-Pylon-AIM120-AIM9_jpg-2660819.JPG F-16 with -120s on pylon mounted LAU-128s. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/article_61fbe3ea56ca44_08798426_jpg-2660822.JPG Another way AIM-120s are launched is by using a type of launcher that basically pushes them away from the aircraft before their rocket motor fires. F-15s uses LAU-106 launchers to do this for the fuselage weapons stations. The launchers use explosive cartridges (the same ones used to jettison bombs and external fuel tanks) to drive two pistons that force the missile away from the aircraft. I've circled the pistons in the picture below. The semi-circle fitting on the front one is affectionately called the "Eagle Claw" because it always seems to grab you and it hurts like a MF when it does. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/061018-F-0522D-037_jpg-2660857.JPG F-22s use hydraulically powered LAU-142 launchers to fire -120s. The inboard launcher in the picture below is in the full extended position like when it is launching a missile. It is mind boggling how fast they operate when in launch mode. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/avel_jpg-2660870.JPG One of those great posts that remind of who is here… 
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Posted: 1/4/2023 10:33:34 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: One of those great posts that remind of who is here… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By 2A373: Originally Posted By lorazepam: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlW2lgQXoAAj_2B?format=jpg&name=900x900 Originally Posted By lorazepam: Appears to be an adapter on the pylon to put that missile there. @lorazepam I'm going back to this since I finally got caught up after getting a few days behind. Not sure why you posted the picture in this thread, but I'll explain what you are looking at. That is a Gripen with a AIM-120 mounted on what looks to be a LAU-128 missile rail that is used to rail launch AIM-9/120s on a lot of fighters. AIM-9 and -120 on LAU-128s on an F-15 wing pylon. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/F-15E-Pylon-AIM120-AIM9_jpg-2660819.JPG F-16 with -120s on pylon mounted LAU-128s. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/article_61fbe3ea56ca44_08798426_jpg-2660822.JPG Another way AIM-120s are launched is by using a type of launcher that basically pushes them away from the aircraft before their rocket motor fires. F-15s uses LAU-106 launchers to do this for the fuselage weapons stations. The launchers use explosive cartridges (the same ones used to jettison bombs and external fuel tanks) to drive two pistons that force the missile away from the aircraft. I've circled the pistons in the picture below. The semi-circle fitting on the front one is affectionately called the "Eagle Claw" because it always seems to grab you and it hurts like a MF when it does. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/061018-F-0522D-037_jpg-2660857.JPG F-22s use hydraulically powered LAU-142 launchers to fire -120s. The inboard launcher in the picture below is in the full extended position like when it is launching a missile. It is mind boggling how fast they operate when in launch mode. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54089/avel_jpg-2660870.JPG One of those great posts that remind of who is here… Yep +1 |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 10:36:27 PM EST
[#47]
So Ukraine could have Spartan, Bradley and AMX10. Are we sure they aren't going to time travel to 1991 and attack Iraq ?
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Posted: 1/4/2023 10:51:39 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: So Ukraine could have Spartan, Bradley and AMX10. Are we sure they aren't going to time travel to 1991 and attack Iraq ? 
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Posted: 1/4/2023 10:59:43 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26886/E89A6AB0-DF68-4D5B-8388-77E32DEDA4EA-2660895.jpg |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 11:02:45 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: It just makes me laugh a bit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26886/E89A6AB0-DF68-4D5B-8388-77E32DEDA4EA-2660895.jpg |
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