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Posted: 1/9/2023 10:11:28 AM EST
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Brutal.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 10:12:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 3 hrs ago.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmBv1v2XoAEW1Ub?format=jpg&name=medium That looks like a hellish situation. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 10:20:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: general_cluster]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 35 min ago.
Well, that's a start. The ceramic armor on these fascinates me, any information on how it performs IRL? |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 10:38:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Who is supposedly using FAB-500s (500 kg HE bombs) and what in that video makes them think they were used? All I see is something burning. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 10:45:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Brutal.
Wow, guy at lower right looks like nothing even happened - guess the guy front right took all the shrapnel. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 10:53:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Well, that's a start. The ceramic armor on these fascinates me, any information on how it performs IRL? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 35 min ago.
Well, that's a start. The ceramic armor on these fascinates me, any information on how it performs IRL? I think it would be a good upgrade from what they have. For reference, a public armor map of a Challenger 2. Try to stay hull down and it's hard to beat head on.   T-80U for comparison.  T-72M  Bonus T72B3 manual. https://www.docdroid.net/EgJgcDx/t-72b3-main-battle-tank-pdf |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 10:59:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: What is this FAB-500? And who was using it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Prime:
What is this FAB-500? And who was using it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAB-500 |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:07:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: it's going to be interesting to see how they do in an environment heavy with modern long range ATGMs and drones Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: Originally Posted By Dominion21: ... In reality, I found this: "During the Gulf War, M2 Bradleys destroyed more Iraqi armored vehicles than the M1 Abrams.[34] A total of 20 Bradleys were lost three by enemy fire and 17 due to friendly fire incidents." It's all a moot point, since we are sending Bradleys. But I disagree with your prediction this will lead to a "collapse." I predict the Bradleys will soon destroy a bunch of T-72s and T-62s, while suffering far fewer losses from Russian MBTs. indeed love them or hate them -- Bradley's are one of -- if not THE -- most combat proven IFVs of all time. in service 40+ years. That's a concern of mine as well. In Iraq, a Bradley's greatest threats were, what? Daytime exposure to a T-72 or RPG-7? Racing into an undetected minefield? Besides, didn't we have more Bradleys damaged by friendly fire than enemy action? Russia may be incompetent, but they still have a lot of gear that works, and in large numbers. Recall that a militia of Somali retards with RPGs were able to down 2 Black Hawks- not because they were skilled, but because they launched a huge quantity of RPGs into the air. I think Bradleys in Ukraine could take substantial losses to packs of ATGM teams for the same reason. All that said, I would *still supply* a bunch of our "spare" Bradleys (that is, in excess of 100) to Ukraine and wish them the best. We could end up being completely wrong, and the IFVs could slice through Russia's lines and drive them into a rout unlike anything we've seen so far in-country. And I promise you that I'd celebrate if it was so. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:10:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: You saw the newest Abrams X model recently? It featured that Megitt autoloader.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmY6wh2uu54That muzzle break looks very "1950's Soviet". But I like it, I'll take 500 please. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:12:53 AM EST
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Saw this interesting tangential story:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11614685/Terrifying-moment-plane-door-OPENS-Russian-flight-sending-passengers-hats-flying-void.html  Attached FileSeeing their continued incompetence, is it now any surprise that they dumped "elite" spetsnaz forces into the water during the opening hostilities? Between this and the complete lack of maintenance of their stolen western aircraft, it must take a complete lack of awareness to willingly board one of these scrap heaps. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:17:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fervid_dryfire: That's a concern of mine as well. In Iraq, a Bradley's greatest threats were, what? Daytime exposure to a T-72 or RPG-7? Racing into an undetected minefield? Besides, didn't we have more Bradleys damaged by friendly fire than enemy action? Russia may be incompetent, but they still have a lot of gear that works, and in large numbers. Recall that a militia of Somali retards with RPGs were able to down 2 Black Hawks- not because they were skilled, but because they launched a huge quantity of RPGs into the air. I think Bradleys in Ukraine could take substantial losses to packs of ATGM teams for the same reason. All that said, I would *still supply* a bunch of our "spare" Bradleys (that is, in excess of 100) to Ukraine and wish them the best. We could end up being completely wrong, and the IFVs could slice through Russia's lines and drive them into a rout unlike anything we've seen so far in-country. And I promise you that I'd celebrate if it was so. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: Originally Posted By Dominion21: ... In reality, I found this: "During the Gulf War, M2 Bradleys destroyed more Iraqi armored vehicles than the M1 Abrams.[34] A total of 20 Bradleys were lost three by enemy fire and 17 due to friendly fire incidents." It's all a moot point, since we are sending Bradleys. But I disagree with your prediction this will lead to a "collapse." I predict the Bradleys will soon destroy a bunch of T-72s and T-62s, while suffering far fewer losses from Russian MBTs. indeed love them or hate them -- Bradley's are one of -- if not THE -- most combat proven IFVs of all time. in service 40+ years. That's a concern of mine as well. In Iraq, a Bradley's greatest threats were, what? Daytime exposure to a T-72 or RPG-7? Racing into an undetected minefield? Besides, didn't we have more Bradleys damaged by friendly fire than enemy action? Russia may be incompetent, but they still have a lot of gear that works, and in large numbers. Recall that a militia of Somali retards with RPGs were able to down 2 Black Hawks- not because they were skilled, but because they launched a huge quantity of RPGs into the air. I think Bradleys in Ukraine could take substantial losses to packs of ATGM teams for the same reason. All that said, I would *still supply* a bunch of our "spare" Bradleys (that is, in excess of 100) to Ukraine and wish them the best. We could end up being completely wrong, and the IFVs could slice through Russia's lines and drive them into a rout unlike anything we've seen so far in-country. And I promise you that I'd celebrate if it was so. Any enemy with standoff distance and ATGMs is going to inflict losses on armor. If the Iraqi and Afghan insurgents we fought had consistent access to ATGMs (we worked very hard diplomatically to ensure that wasn't the case), our armor would've taken much heavier losses. I have no doubt that plenty of Western armor is going to get destroyed in Ukraine, as that's the nature of the beast in conflicts like this. I don't view potential losses as a reason not to equip them with Western armor. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:19:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryThank you. I was afraid that if I googled it, I'd get inundated with fat porn... |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:20:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nutro: OK dumb question and I really don't know the process so go easy on me. Will we ever see battle field pickup Russian demilled AKs from this war, here in the US? I bet some will make it to the US that *aren't* demilled. Might not be as easy as an Ali baba Glock switch, but somebody can make it happen. And the AFT won't find them all. Freedom is contagious! |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:20:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Odd new thing… a remote controlled Dual PKM running on a generator. https://www.reddit.com/r/shittytechnicals/comments/1070glb/dualpkm_drone_towing_a_generator_found_in_ukraine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Coooooool. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:22:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: Saw this interesting tangential story: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11614685/Terrifying-moment-plane-door-OPENS-Russian-flight-sending-passengers-hats-flying-void.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20230109_100212_Brave_jpg-2666274.JPG Seeing their continued incompetence, is it now any surprise that they dumped "elite" spetsnaz forces into the water during the opening hostilities? Between this and the complete lack of maintenance of their stolen western aircraft, it must take a complete lack of awareness to willingly board one of these scrap heaps. Meh. reminds me of Airborne School. All was cool until they opened the doors then shit got real. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:29:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: If that's true then maybe it's time to remove Turkey from NATO. Unfortunately there is no mechanism for that AFAIK. Turkey, Hungary, and Germany would be prime candidates for removal. Turkey's geography makes it important, though, which IIRC is why it was welcomed into NATO in the first place. They increasingly have become an adversary to the U.S. and the West in general. Germany's geography also kinda makes it important. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:37:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Unfortunately there is no mechanism for that AFAIK. Turkey, Hungary, and Germany would be prime candidates for removal. Turkey's geography makes it important, though, which IIRC is why it was welcomed into NATO in the first place. They increasingly have become an adversary to the U.S. and the West in general. Germany's geography also kinda makes it important. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By jhereg: If that's true then maybe it's time to remove Turkey from NATO. Unfortunately there is no mechanism for that AFAIK. Turkey, Hungary, and Germany would be prime candidates for removal. Turkey's geography makes it important, though, which IIRC is why it was welcomed into NATO in the first place. They increasingly have become an adversary to the U.S. and the West in general. Germany's geography also kinda makes it important. Then create a mechanism for it, or dissolve NATO and reinvite the countries you want in the new version. At least from what I can see and read Turkey seems to be cozying up to Russia and be directly against what a lot of NATA was created for. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:39:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Ukrainian Mayoral Advisor Andryushchenko says this demo is happening 7 days a week and 50,000 Russians are being brought in from Moscow in January alone. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl_8W5hakAMlZmv?format=jpg&name=large Tbf Ukraine will likely be better off demolishing and rebuilding those buildings also. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:46:12 AM EST
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:49:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 35 min ago.
Guess I was beat |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:51:36 AM EST
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9 min ago.
Thermal drone video in tweet.
Part 2 video.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:52:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: How much different is the Leopard 2A4's gun from the M1A1? Basically the same gun. With the Leo-2A6 they changed to a longer L55 vs L44 barrel. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 11:52:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Guess I was beat It's okay, I may be on some ignore lists and those guys aren't getting the info I post. 
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Posted: 1/9/2023 12:37:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It's okay, I may be on some ignore lists and those guys aren't getting the info I post. Did you post about how bad Swedish candy is?  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 12:40:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 9 min ago.
Thermal drone video in tweet.
Part 2 video.
So the Russians aren't freezing to death :( |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 12:47:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Russians probably did not react to the Bradley deployment because, they looked at a Bradley, tried to understand it, and their Russian arrogance led them to believe the Bradley is comparable to their BMP-3. Then they concluded the BMP-3 is better. Time will tell, Ivan. Time is not on your side. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 12:54:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21:Russians probably did not react to the Bradley deployment because, they looked at a Bradley, tried to understand it, and their Russian arrogance led them to believe the Bradley is comparable to their BMP-3. Then they concluded the BMP-3 is better. Time will tell, Ivan. Time is not on your side. Sometimes Russia sounds like German arrogance and the Chinese approach to industry had an FAS baby that was then dropped on its head. But other times they do semi-impressive stuff. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:10:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Imagine being on the receiving end of a volley from UAE's launcher..lol https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60857/Jobaria_Defense_Systems_Multiple_Cradle_-2666050.JPG Jobaria Defense Systems Multiple Cradle Launcher Thats epic. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:18:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dominion21]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Far more than 50 Bradleys headed over? That makes me happy.  As far as the ACTUAL performance/ armor penetration of the 25mm DU rounds? - that is classified information. Which leaves us to speculate. But we have some anecdotal evidence: - take another look at the quotes Jack67 took the time to post in the middle of page 3288. Personally, I do not believe the actual T-62s and T-72s which are physically present in Ukraine right now, will stay in the fight for long after receiving a burst of 25mm fire from a Ukrainian Bradley. If nothing else, the exterior view ports and sensors on a T-72 will be quickly scrubbed off if hit by a Bradley’s 25mm. More distant Russian tanks face the TOW. As for doubts about setting things on fire, it’s not classified as to what DU does if it manages to penetrate: it becomes a potent incendiary. Only time will tell for sure. I believe the 50+ Bradleys will eventually be game changers, negating nearly all of Russia’s armor. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:23:22 PM EST
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  “Statečným obráncům Ukrajiny” -> “To the brave defenders of Ukraine” One of 90 freshly modernized T72s for Ukraine has a note from Czech prime minister Petr Fiala. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:25:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A:The Japanese have a 3.5 second autoloader, and it doesn't get tired, hunt for a round, crossload, take medical leave, get Article 15s, or reenlistment bonuses, retirement or death benefits. Perhaps, but that’s just to make up for their small size  |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:29:58 PM EST
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NSFW, wagnerite with hand blown off giving a thumbs up (with his remaining, jerking hand..).
Looks like blown muzzle.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:30:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Brutal.
I don't think you're supposed to hit a cas evac. But with everything Russia has done to Ukrainians under their occupation..... Fuck 'em. It made me laugh. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:34:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Did you post about how bad Swedish candy is? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/CA228930-40AD-414C-A8F6-78A72F8BB514_jpe-2666342.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It's okay, I may be on some ignore lists and those guys aren't getting the info I post. Did you post about how bad Swedish candy is? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/CA228930-40AD-414C-A8F6-78A72F8BB514_jpe-2666342.JPG lol, No, but I see there are wildly various reasons for being on an ignore list.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:34:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: I don't think you're supposed to hit a cas evac. But with everything Russia has done to Ukrainians under their occupation..... Fuck 'em. It made me laugh. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Brutal.
I don't think you're supposed to hit a cas evac. But with everything Russia has done to Ukrainians under their occupation..... Fuck 'em. It made me laugh. Fair game unless unarmed and clearly marked (red cross, Red Crescent, etc) |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:35:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: So the Russians aren't freezing to death :( Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 9 min ago.
Thermal drone video in tweet.
Part 2 video.
So the Russians aren't freezing to death :( Report from Bakhmut front said they were cold, but the Russians are colder. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:36:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: I don't think you're supposed to hit a cas evac. But with everything Russia has done to Ukrainians under their occupation..... Fuck 'em. It made me laugh. I know nothing of the rules of the road. But those guys seemed to have rifles, which would seem to make them valid targets in my book. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:40:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: NSFW, wagnerite with hand blown off giving a thumbs up (with his remaining, jerking hand..). Looks like blown muzzle.
 He's happy to get "home", I wonder if he will face the sledge hammer test for cowardice? 
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:40:50 PM EST
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:41:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: NSFW, wagnerite with hand blown off giving a thumbs up (with his remaining, jerking hand..). Looks like blown muzzle.
He won't be so carefree when the morphine wears off. Gruesome. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:42:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Meh. reminds me of Airborne School. All was cool until they opened the doors then shit got real. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By grambosc: Saw this interesting tangential story: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11614685/Terrifying-moment-plane-door-OPENS-Russian-flight-sending-passengers-hats-flying-void.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/Screenshot_20230109_100212_Brave_jpg-2666274.JPG Seeing their continued incompetence, is it now any surprise that they dumped "elite" spetsnaz forces into the water during the opening hostilities? Between this and the complete lack of maintenance of their stolen western aircraft, it must take a complete lack of awareness to willingly board one of these scrap heaps. Meh. reminds me of Airborne School. All was cool until they opened the doors then shit got real. The ONLY time I had a problem during Jump School was my 2nd Jump. I suddenly had a problem walking out the door of a C-141. My left leg suddenly wanted to be a Leg for a bit longer. Out the door and no problems ever again. 
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:43:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: German gas infographic: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/107chd5/russia_supplied_641_of_germanys_gas_in_may_2021/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 +1 for the Germans. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:44:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Squatch: Fair game unless unarmed and clearly marked (red cross, Red Crescent, etc) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Squatch: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Brutal.
I don't think you're supposed to hit a cas evac. But with everything Russia has done to Ukrainians under their occupation..... Fuck 'em. It made me laugh. Fair game unless unarmed and clearly marked (red cross, Red Crescent, etc) Ah well, Roger that. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:48:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: A fantastic video on Patriot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SReqD5QYNMgthanks Ben , that was sooo helpful, kinda like putting faces to the names |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:51:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: lol at one response... "Hey @russia, what your morale doing?" God bless 'em. Every one. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:52:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Brutal.
That mortar-round drop video is fascinating. Notice how the stretcher-bearers take 2 or 3 steps right after the detonation? It is almost like the chicken who continues to run even after it’s been decapitated. More likely: the leg bones were not shattered or broken by the point-blank blast, and the leg muscles momentarily still functioned, as did the brain and CNS. But within 3 seconds, the front 2 soldiers collapsed. Blood loss? Shock? Every mortar man should watch that video. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:54:07 PM EST
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3 min ago.
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Posted: 1/9/2023 1:59:44 PM EST
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Posted: 1/9/2023 2:13:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: *yawn* The ONLY time I had a problem during Jump School was my 2nd Jump. I suddenly had a problem walking out the door of a C-141. My left leg suddenly wanted to be a Leg for a bit longer. Out the door and no problems ever again. The first jump I was out the door and counting before I realized it, the second jump was tough, after that I was fine. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 2:20:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 9 min ago.
Thermal drone video in tweet.
Part 2 video.
Holy shit! |
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