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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:16:29 PM EDT
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Um....wow.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:17:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: That looks like a stash of ATGM tubes to me. Anyone? Agree, stack if faggots burning. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:24:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: I'm literally a short walk from there. I heard/felt the single solid explosion. An intercept has more of of echoing boom and sounds different. Hard to explain.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:25:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: A 14 year old Ukrainian boy tortured by the Russians. The Original tweet
The auto translated version
Could @Easterner @gentlemanfarmer or anyone else who understands the language translate the captions on the screen? The AI translator is only translating the spoken words. I can’t watch the kid torture stuff got to the hands tied and they 13 of us, Can’t do it |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:28:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: What’s sad is they still sell stuff to Russia. Austria and Switzerland, late model sniper rifles and glass are common in Russian SF units. 100,000s of Lowa boots equip Wagner and Khaderovites. Not even made in Austria but that quantity doesn’t get there without someone in the company knowing. Steyr SSG08a1’s? B&T sniper rifles. Khales and Schmidt Bender scopes. A few here or there ok smuggling or something but when you see hundreds or thousands it’s another matter. Same for Holosun, if it weren’t for holosun 75% of Russians soldiers wouldn’t have red dots on rifles. 75% of the ones seen are Holosun and quiet a few very new ones I might add. Switzerland is not selling ANY military grade arms to ruSSia since February. It's impossible to get the paperwork for it. And I would bet the same goes for Austria. I know one of the engineers working for Swiss Arms Neuhausen |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:33:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: Switzerland is not selling ANY military grade arms to ruSSia since February. It's impossible to get the paperwork for it. And I would bet the same goes for Austria. I know one of the engineers working for Swiss Arms Neuhausen Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: What’s sad is they still sell stuff to Russia. Austria and Switzerland, late model sniper rifles and glass are common in Russian SF units. 100,000s of Lowa boots equip Wagner and Khaderovites. Not even made in Austria but that quantity doesn’t get there without someone in the company knowing. Steyr SSG08a1’s? B&T sniper rifles. Khales and Schmidt Bender scopes. A few here or there ok smuggling or something but when you see hundreds or thousands it’s another matter. Same for Holosun, if it weren’t for holosun 75% of Russians soldiers wouldn’t have red dots on rifles. 75% of the ones seen are Holosun and quiet a few very new ones I might add. Switzerland is not selling ANY military grade arms to ruSSia since February. It's impossible to get the paperwork for it. And I would bet the same goes for Austria. I know one of the engineers working for Swiss Arms Neuhausen I guess it was ok before feb though? Not talking about SAN Mostly it’s been sniper rifles anyway not semi/auto rifles. They also won’t sell to Ukraine since like 2015 but still sold to Russia 2014-2022 |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:35:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: This is a rational analysis. Democracies don’t back out of wars when “all in.” And the west is all-in on this because it is widely understood to be the right thing to do. There are nuts, useful idiots, and actual disinformation agents on either end of the spectrum making noise, but that’ always been the case. The voices are just a little more obvious know because of new media channels. All due respect, the west is not "all-in." Look at the way we've been trickling weapons systems in the smallest possible quantities. 16 HIMARS (and no ATACMs). 50 Bradleys. No tanks, no planes, no helos. Look at the way we quashed sending those Polish MIGs early on. If we were "all-in," we'd have already been training UAF crews on F16s. We'd have already sent a couple hundred Bradleys. We'd have let them have ATACMs. If we were "all-in," Zaluzhny wouldn't have said a couple months ago that they'll make do with whatever they have, even though it's not what they need. Look at the Republican majority in the House (where appropriations start) talking about cutting back, saying we've already sent "enough." Who's rope-a-doping whom? Are we bleeding out Russia, or is Russia draining the west of so much of their armaments stocks our production capacity is exposed as insufficient to timely replenish them? The thing about democracy is that the people could change their minds and put a new government in that tires of sending money and/or materiel to Ukraine. This has always been part of Putin's playbook; waiting out western resolve. Once the western weapons & ammo run out, Ukraine is finished, no matter their will. May that never even come close to happening. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:38:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: All due respect, the west is not "all-in." Look at the way we've been trickling weapons systems in the smallest possible quantities. 16 HIMARS (and no ATACMs). 50 Bradleys. No tanks, no planes, no helos. Look at the way we quashed sending those Polish MIGs early on. If we were "all-in," we'd have already been training UAF crews on F16s. We'd have already sent a couple hundred Bradleys. We'd have let them have ATACMs. If we were "all-in," Zaluzhny wouldn't have said a couple months ago that they'll make do with whatever they have, even though it's not what they need. Look at the Republican majority in the House (where appropriations start) talking about cutting back, saying we've already sent "enough." Who's rope-a-doping whom? Are we bleeding out Russia, or is Russia draining the west of so much of their armaments stocks our production capacity is exposed as insufficient to timely replenish them? The thing about democracy is that the people could change their minds and put a new government in that tires of sending money and/or materiel to Ukraine. This has always been part of Putin's playbook; waiting out western resolve. Once the western weapons & ammo run out, Ukraine is finished, no matter their will. May that never even come close to happening. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Jack67: This is a rational analysis. Democracies don’t back out of wars when “all in.” And the west is all-in on this because it is widely understood to be the right thing to do. There are nuts, useful idiots, and actual disinformation agents on either end of the spectrum making noise, but that’ always been the case. The voices are just a little more obvious know because of new media channels. All due respect, the west is not "all-in." Look at the way we've been trickling weapons systems in the smallest possible quantities. 16 HIMARS (and no ATACMs). 50 Bradleys. No tanks, no planes, no helos. Look at the way we quashed sending those Polish MIGs early on. If we were "all-in," we'd have already been training UAF crews on F16s. We'd have already sent a couple hundred Bradleys. We'd have let them have ATACMs. If we were "all-in," Zaluzhny wouldn't have said a couple months ago that they'll make do with whatever they have, even though it's not what they need. Look at the Republican majority in the House (where appropriations start) talking about cutting back, saying we've already sent "enough." Who's rope-a-doping whom? Are we bleeding out Russia, or is Russia draining the west of so much of their armaments stocks our production capacity is exposed as insufficient to timely replenish them? The thing about democracy is that the people could change their minds and put a new government in that tires of sending money and/or materiel to Ukraine. This has always been part of Putin's playbook; waiting out western resolve. Once the western weapons & ammo run out, Ukraine is finished, no matter their will. May that never even come close to happening. I agree and well said but even if western govs stop sending weapons, there are enough trained partisans that holding Ukraine would be impossible. There are millions of Aks and grenades and mines in private hands. It would be an afghan scenario. Ukraine might never recover in this scenario but it would win eventually just millions would die. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:38:27 PM EDT
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Casualties in Dnipro (NSFW):
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/10by4lb/rescuers_continue_to_find_people_in_dnipro_city/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Commander of the Russian bomber regiment that hit Dnipro today: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/10bz9at/here_is_the_commander_of_the_52nd_guards_heavy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 This report says Dnipro hit was from a KH-22, which is important because it is not a very precision weapon. Reports differ on the missile type. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/01/14/7384887/ |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:38:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmd7R--XgAET6_r?format=jpg&name=medium Video of the rescue.
I move that Putin is drawn and quartered in Maidan. Shoigu and Solovyov can simply hang. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:46:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Ok his Soledar map was off a bit. Just saw a few of his that were off in Bhakmut too. Leaned to Russian control makes me think he uses Russian channels for intel. They are far more likely to be full of shit, we have all seen that. I trust you guys though, I don’t have enough time to chase down osint. I just ask friends there, I have to delay my stuff a few days to make sure it doesn’t get someone targeted. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By YaNi05: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmc4ia5WQAQzprT?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmc4uYaXwAIM_Qw?format=jpg&name=large Who is def mon his maps always seem Russian optimistic I've been following him for months and think he's pretty level headed. I don't know about his background other than being retired USN. His info is usually accurate; he doesn't shoot from the hip and does a good job keeping some of the more outlandish claims from other channels in check. Ok his Soledar map was off a bit. Just saw a few of his that were off in Bhakmut too. Leaned to Russian control makes me think he uses Russian channels for intel. They are far more likely to be full of shit, we have all seen that. I trust you guys though, I don’t have enough time to chase down osint. I just ask friends there, I have to delay my stuff a few days to make sure it doesn’t get someone targeted. I think this is one of those situations where none of the info being broadcast is very accurate. The Ukrainians aren't saying much and russian claims are optimistic at best. I've just assumed Soledar is contested and any info is old or wrong. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:47:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: I guess it was ok before feb though? Not talking about SAN Mostly it’s been sniper rifles anyway not semi/auto rifles. They also won’t sell to Ukraine since like 2015 but still sold to Russia 2014-2022 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By Abakan: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: What’s sad is they still sell stuff to Russia. Austria and Switzerland, late model sniper rifles and glass are common in Russian SF units. 100,000s of Lowa boots equip Wagner and Khaderovites. Not even made in Austria but that quantity doesn’t get there without someone in the company knowing. Steyr SSG08a1’s? B&T sniper rifles. Khales and Schmidt Bender scopes. A few here or there ok smuggling or something but when you see hundreds or thousands it’s another matter. Same for Holosun, if it weren’t for holosun 75% of Russians soldiers wouldn’t have red dots on rifles. 75% of the ones seen are Holosun and quiet a few very new ones I might add. Switzerland is not selling ANY military grade arms to ruSSia since February. It's impossible to get the paperwork for it. And I would bet the same goes for Austria. I know one of the engineers working for Swiss Arms Neuhausen I guess it was ok before feb though? Not talking about SAN Mostly it’s been sniper rifles anyway not semi/auto rifles. They also won’t sell to Ukraine since like 2015 but still sold to Russia 2014-2022 Because they have a lot of retards thinking you have a civil war in the east since 2014 ( we all know that's not true ) While ruSSia has nothing like that ( nevermind that THEY are the ones being in eastern Ukraine since 2014 ) |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:47:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I move that Putin is drawn and quartered in Maidan. Shoigu and Solovyov can simply hang. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmd7R--XgAET6_r?format=jpg&name=medium Video of the rescue.
I move that Putin is drawn and quartered in Maidan. Shoigu and Solovyov can simply hang. Nah, you deal with people like Putin like you deal with the lowest of common criminals, by hanging. Don’t give him a spectacular send-off. Of course that will never happen to Putin. But some of the politically expendable actors probably will face justice. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:52:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: All due respect, the west is not "all-in." Look at the way we've been trickling weapons systems in the smallest possible quantities. 16 HIMARS (and no ATACMs). 50 Bradleys. No tanks, no planes, no helos. Look at the way we quashed sending those Polish MIGs early on. If we were "all-in," we'd have already been training UAF crews on F16s. We'd have already sent a couple hundred Bradleys. We'd have let them have ATACMs. If we were "all-in," Zaluzhny wouldn't have said a couple months ago that they'll make do with whatever they have, even though it's not what they need. Look at the Republican majority in the House (where appropriations start) talking about cutting back, saying we've already sent "enough." Who's rope-a-doping whom? Are we bleeding out Russia, or is Russia draining the west of so much of their armaments stocks our production capacity is exposed as insufficient to timely replenish them? The thing about democracy is that the people could change their minds and put a new government in that tires of sending money and/or materiel to Ukraine. This has always been part of Putin's playbook; waiting out western resolve. Once the western weapons & ammo run out, Ukraine is finished, no matter their will. May that never even come close to happening. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Jack67: This is a rational analysis. Democracies don’t back out of wars when “all in.” And the west is all-in on this because it is widely understood to be the right thing to do. There are nuts, useful idiots, and actual disinformation agents on either end of the spectrum making noise, but that’ always been the case. The voices are just a little more obvious know because of new media channels. All due respect, the west is not "all-in." Look at the way we've been trickling weapons systems in the smallest possible quantities. 16 HIMARS (and no ATACMs). 50 Bradleys. No tanks, no planes, no helos. Look at the way we quashed sending those Polish MIGs early on. If we were "all-in," we'd have already been training UAF crews on F16s. We'd have already sent a couple hundred Bradleys. We'd have let them have ATACMs. If we were "all-in," Zaluzhny wouldn't have said a couple months ago that they'll make do with whatever they have, even though it's not what they need. Look at the Republican majority in the House (where appropriations start) talking about cutting back, saying we've already sent "enough." Who's rope-a-doping whom? Are we bleeding out Russia, or is Russia draining the west of so much of their armaments stocks our production capacity is exposed as insufficient to timely replenish them? The thing about democracy is that the people could change their minds and put a new government in that tires of sending money and/or materiel to Ukraine. This has always been part of Putin's playbook; waiting out western resolve. Once the western weapons & ammo run out, Ukraine is finished, no matter their will. May that never even come close to happening. They are and they aren’t. We’re supplying a lot of arty ammo. We’re probably supplying far more logistical and repair support than is understood. Not to mention ISR. Western support isn’t trivial but still leaves a lot of room to turn the pain up when we decide to. When we do it will end quickly. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:57:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I move that Putin is drawn and quartered in Maidan. Shoigu and Solovyov can simply hang. Seconded |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:02:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Um....wow.
Wages of sin paid by 155mm. I hope God forgives them. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Um....wow.
That is what I call good ammo management! One shot, ten kills. LOL. Or maybe 15. The orcs never seem to learn that when under fire it is a good idea to disperse. They always do the exact opposite and cluster together. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:09:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Apparently Arestovych claimed at one point that the missile had been intercepted before hitting the building. Dnipro Mayor vigorously disagrees. Now it kinda looks like Arestovych walked it back a bit. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/Arestovych_PNG-2672153.png https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/325456252_911964636504058_3264300142256880187_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=22OnNj9Oq6AAX9vCFkc&tn=DoRJco4WbQ08CUZ4&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AfCBI3ZL7ZjbW-Eq0Vv_6tTP3SDHPIMfl-vFZB5v8aMBDw&oe=63C8E0A8
From the first day of the war, I said that Arestovich is a narcissistic cattle and a garbage mouth. But in the OP, someone is clearly betting on him. ... Sorry, I could not resist, but the SBU and counterintelligence are obliged to respond. https://t.me/borys_filatovv/877 There's a good chance that's true. Look, Russia is the bad guy, but they're not quite dumb enough to waste their limited inventory of missiles to target some random apartment building. It either was intercepted and landed somewhere it wasn't intended, or it landed where it wasn't intended because it had a crap guidance system. Neither makes it "OK" or somehow acceptable of course. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:17:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: I know you're joking but if they somehow did take out a Bradley that "arrived early" you know there would be a million pictures and they'd be displaying it everywhere. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: Originally Posted By fadedsun:
4 Bradley’s lost already today  I know you're joking but if they somehow did take out a Bradley that "arrived early" you know there would be a million pictures and they'd be displaying it everywhere. Funny thing is Russia tried to say they had captured a Bradley and when they released the photos. It was a Korean APC from the 1950's. Russia will say anything to get some attention. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:23:30 PM EDT
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Update on the “Russian Immunity Law” which decriminalizes acts committed in Ukraine “if they are in Russian interests.” The proposed law passed its first reading in the Duma unanimously. It still has to pass two more readings and be signed by Putin, both of which seem likely. Unknown what the current progress of the law is.
The law applies specifically to actions prior to September 30, 2022, that is, prior to the “annexation” of Ukrainian territory. Interesting that they are at least trying to give it a wash of legality (within their definition of “legality”) since such actions before 9/30 would have been, technically, an international matter and not an internal one. Post 9/30 with the occupied territory becoming “Russian”, the matter becomes a purely internal one (to them) and there will be no need to decriminalize anything. Could point to Russia setting up legal pretexts for the eventuality they are called to account by the ICC/UN. Good article with details dated 12/20/22: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/12/20/russia-immunity-law-set-crimes-ukraine Most recent article I could find dated 12/27/22: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1712780/russia-law-change-rape-torture-ukraine-human-rights-abuses-vladimir-putin |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:25:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Um....wow.
It's raining men, halleluiah!  |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:27:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: That is what I call good ammo management! One shot, ten kills. LOL. Or maybe 15. The orcs never seem to learn that when under fire it is a good idea to disperse. They always do the exact opposite and cluster together. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Prime: Um....wow.
That is what I call good ammo management! One shot, ten kills. LOL. Or maybe 15. The orcs never seem to learn that when under fire it is a good idea to disperse. They always do the exact opposite and cluster together. Lot of dudes with zero experience. You can probably also chalk up weather conditions too. It might be optimal to spread out, but if you’re freezing to death that might not be so attractive. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:31:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: I agree and well said but even if western govs stop sending weapons, there are enough trained partisans that holding Ukraine would be impossible. There are millions of Aks and grenades and mines in private hands. It would be an afghan scenario. Ukraine might never recover in this scenario but it would win eventually just millions would die. Which is part of my reasoning why Russia stated Feb 2022 goals will never be achieved and therefore Russia can never win by its own stated goals like “denazification” {ludicrous term by the way} and demilitarization of Ukraine so it is no longer a threat to Russia along with other unachievable goals previously stated. But as you described it will prolong fighting and casualties. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:39:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Omg, that's horrific. I am so sorry. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Easterner: They hit an apartment building here. Fuck this is horrible. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1614261817660043273 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcFiXuX0AIsu44_jpeg-2671567.JPG In the other pics it looks like the whole unit is wiped out. Probably a lot of people at home. Hopefully most were out shopping for the new year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcHSAcWQAArwKe_jpeg-2671593.JPG Omg, that's horrific. I am so sorry. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Embargo Russian oil/gas. Send ATACMs & armor. Moscow delenda est! I understood that reference. May Russia be a modern-day Carthage. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:42:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Ballistic missile I think is what they are saying. one hit Kyiv today I believe this is why they want to put Patriot in, it's meant to detect these. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:44:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: There's a good chance that's true. Look, Russia is the bad guy, but they're not quite dumb enough to waste their limited inventory of missiles to target some random apartment building. It either was intercepted and landed somewhere it wasn't intended, or it landed where it wasn't intended because it had a crap guidance system. Neither makes it "OK" or somehow acceptable of course. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: Originally Posted By Prime: Apparently Arestovych claimed at one point that the missile had been intercepted before hitting the building. Dnipro Mayor vigorously disagrees. Now it kinda looks like Arestovych walked it back a bit. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/Arestovych_PNG-2672153.png https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/325456252_911964636504058_3264300142256880187_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=22OnNj9Oq6AAX9vCFkc&tn=DoRJco4WbQ08CUZ4&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AfCBI3ZL7ZjbW-Eq0Vv_6tTP3SDHPIMfl-vFZB5v8aMBDw&oe=63C8E0A8
From the first day of the war, I said that Arestovich is a narcissistic cattle and a garbage mouth. But in the OP, someone is clearly betting on him. ... Sorry, I could not resist, but the SBU and counterintelligence are obliged to respond. https://t.me/borys_filatovv/877 There's a good chance that's true. Look, Russia is the bad guy, but they're not quite dumb enough to waste their limited inventory of missiles to target some random apartment building. It either was intercepted and landed somewhere it wasn't intended, or it landed where it wasn't intended because it had a crap guidance system. Neither makes it "OK" or somehow acceptable of course. Dumb has nothing to to with it. There's a fair chance it didn't hit it's intended target but there's an equally fair chance it did. Russia has engaged in a campaign of terror bombing this entire war whether it's been targeting maternity hospitals, theaters where civilians are sheltering clearly marked visible from the air "KIDS/CHILDREN", or just apartment buildings. I'm sure someone out there has come up with a pretty comprehensive list of "soft" targets Russia has hit the entire war and I'm just as sure it's long enough to be more than completely coincidental. No different than the V1/V2 bombing in WW2. It's an effort to break the will of the populace to force them to capitulate. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:46:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: Apartments in Russia need to start blowing up. They need harsh lessons. Mindless killing needs to be reciprocated in this case. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Easterner: They hit an apartment building here. Fuck this is horrible. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1614261817660043273 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcFiXuX0AIsu44_jpeg-2671567.JPG In the other pics it looks like the whole unit is wiped out. Probably a lot of people at home. Hopefully most were out shopping for the new year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcHSAcWQAArwKe_jpeg-2671593.JPG Omg, that's horrific. I am so sorry. Moscow is within the 1000km range of their new drones. I want to see Lenin's Tomb in flames. 
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:52:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: Apartments in Russia need to start blowing up. They need harsh lessons. Mindless killing needs to be reciprocated in this case. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Easterner: They hit an apartment building here. Fuck this is horrible. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1614261817660043273 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcFiXuX0AIsu44_jpeg-2671567.JPG In the other pics it looks like the whole unit is wiped out. Probably a lot of people at home. Hopefully most were out shopping for the new year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcHSAcWQAArwKe_jpeg-2671593.JPG Omg, that's horrific. I am so sorry. Deliberately targeting civilians rarely, if ever has the intended effect. Deliberately targeting civilians in Russia will likely galvanize the Russian population into enthusiastically participating in and supporting mobilization, as opposed to the current state of affairs in which most of the Russian public supports the war, but doesn't want to get mobilized and fight in it themselves. It's also important that Ukraine maintains the moral high ground so Western weapons continue to flow into the country. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:56:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: It's raining men, halleluiah!  |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:59:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Now up to 14 of the Challies and 30 AS90s.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64274755  WAT**Okay, let me temper this, this almost certainly speculative bullshit, but a forum can dream. 
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:59:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Dumb has nothing to to with it. There's a fair chance it didn't hit it's intended target but there's an equally fair chance it did. Russia has engaged in a campaign of terror bombing this entire war whether it's been targeting maternity hospitals, theaters where civilians are sheltering clearly marked visible from the air "KIDS/CHILDREN", or just apartment buildings. I'm sure someone out there has come up with a pretty comprehensive list of "soft" targets Russia has hit the entire war and I'm just as sure it's long enough to be more than completely coincidental. No different than the V1/V2 bombing in WW2. It's an effort to break the will of the populace to force them to capitulate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By amanbearpig: Originally Posted By Prime: Apparently Arestovych claimed at one point that the missile had been intercepted before hitting the building. Dnipro Mayor vigorously disagrees. Now it kinda looks like Arestovych walked it back a bit. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/Arestovych_PNG-2672153.png https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/325456252_911964636504058_3264300142256880187_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=22OnNj9Oq6AAX9vCFkc&tn=DoRJco4WbQ08CUZ4&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AfCBI3ZL7ZjbW-Eq0Vv_6tTP3SDHPIMfl-vFZB5v8aMBDw&oe=63C8E0A8
From the first day of the war, I said that Arestovich is a narcissistic cattle and a garbage mouth. But in the OP, someone is clearly betting on him. ... Sorry, I could not resist, but the SBU and counterintelligence are obliged to respond. https://t.me/borys_filatovv/877 There's a good chance that's true. Look, Russia is the bad guy, but they're not quite dumb enough to waste their limited inventory of missiles to target some random apartment building. It either was intercepted and landed somewhere it wasn't intended, or it landed where it wasn't intended because it had a crap guidance system. Neither makes it "OK" or somehow acceptable of course. Dumb has nothing to to with it. There's a fair chance it didn't hit it's intended target but there's an equally fair chance it did. Russia has engaged in a campaign of terror bombing this entire war whether it's been targeting maternity hospitals, theaters where civilians are sheltering clearly marked visible from the air "KIDS/CHILDREN", or just apartment buildings. I'm sure someone out there has come up with a pretty comprehensive list of "soft" targets Russia has hit the entire war and I'm just as sure it's long enough to be more than completely coincidental. No different than the V1/V2 bombing in WW2. It's an effort to break the will of the populace to force them to capitulate. Yeah it's pretty obvious, but here we are laying all the pieces out to get ignored once again. Always someone ready to offer excuses. It's really pretty fucking tiring at this point.  These fucking animals are launching these missiles, not by accident, but with the intent to fuck shit up in the cities. It's a god damn residential block. They are saying this is the same type of missile launched into the shopping mall a while back. Fuck these apologists, excuse offerers, and other useless mouth breathing COC.  |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:04:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: Apartments in Russia need to start blowing up. They need harsh lessons. Mindless killing needs to be reciprocated in this case. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Easterner: They hit an apartment building here. Fuck this is horrible. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1614261817660043273 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcFiXuX0AIsu44_jpeg-2671567.JPG In the other pics it looks like the whole unit is wiped out. Probably a lot of people at home. Hopefully most were out shopping for the new year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcHSAcWQAArwKe_jpeg-2671593.JPG Omg, that's horrific. I am so sorry. Disagree, but I think a hit team smoking a few bomber crews at their favorite after-hours watering hole would be an extremely effective and appropriate response. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:04:57 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Disagree, but I think a hit team smoking a few bomber crews at their favorite after-hours watering hole would be an extremely effective and appropriate response. That's a really good idea. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:08:21 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Now up to 14 of the Challies and 30 AS90s.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64274755 WAThttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/89E91510-A4CC-4881-8EF8-B57CB0A3E383-2672348.jpg
Yeah, I was laughing at it when I saw that. Let me just say there is unfortunately no way Ukraine is getting AH-64E Apache gunships. I'll gladly eat crow though.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:08:27 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Disagree, but I think a hit team smoking a few bomber crews at their favorite after-hours watering hole would be an extremely effective and appropriate response. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Taboot: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Easterner: They hit an apartment building here. Fuck this is horrible. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1614261817660043273 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcFiXuX0AIsu44_jpeg-2671567.JPG In the other pics it looks like the whole unit is wiped out. Probably a lot of people at home. Hopefully most were out shopping for the new year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcHSAcWQAArwKe_jpeg-2671593.JPG Omg, that's horrific. I am so sorry. Disagree, but I think a hit team smoking a few bomber crews at their favorite after-hours watering hole would be an extremely effective and appropriate response. Yes indeed. Attacking civilians is exactly what Pootie wants. Don't give him what he needs for true support and a reason to do something even more ridiculous. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:11:03 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Moscow is within the 1000km range of their new drones. I want to see Lenin's Tomb in flames. I'd like to see the Kremlin burned to the fucking ground. Hopefully with poopin still at his desk. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:13:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack67]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: All due respect, the west is not "all-in." Look at the way we've been trickling weapons systems in the smallest possible quantities. …. They may not be providing weapons to your, or my, satisfaction - but politically, they are “all-in.” There is a difference. Go through the public support numers, look at the governments official pronouncements/statements. The west is all-in. The original “all-in” comment was made very specifically along with Capta’s comments about political support, not the current level of military support (which is rising and appears about to rise quite higher). |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:14:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yeah, I was laughing at it when I saw that. Let me just say there is unfortunately no way Ukraine is getting AH-64E Apache gunships. I'll gladly eat crow though. The crazy thing is that in about 12 hours it went from “maybe ten” to “definitely twelve” to FOURTEEN, AND FUCK IT SOME APACHES!!11! I think somebody needs to call it a day and hit the pub. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:16:05 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime WAThttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/89E91510-A4CC-4881-8EF8-B57CB0A3E383-2672348.jpg
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:16:35 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Deliberately targeting civilians rarely, if ever has the intended effect. Deliberately targeting civilians in Russia will likely galvanize the Russian population into enthusiastically participating in and supporting mobilization, as opposed to the current state of affairs in which most of the Russian public supports the war, but doesn't want to get mobilized and fight in it themselves. It's also important that Ukraine maintains the moral high ground so Western weapons continue to flow into the country. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Taboot: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Easterner: They hit an apartment building here. Fuck this is horrible. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1614261817660043273 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcFiXuX0AIsu44_jpeg-2671567.JPG In the other pics it looks like the whole unit is wiped out. Probably a lot of people at home. Hopefully most were out shopping for the new year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcHSAcWQAArwKe_jpeg-2671593.JPG Omg, that's horrific. I am so sorry. Deliberately targeting civilians rarely, if ever has the intended effect. Deliberately targeting civilians in Russia will likely galvanize the Russian population into enthusiastically participating in and supporting mobilization, as opposed to the current state of affairs in which most of the Russian public supports the war, but doesn't want to get mobilized and fight in it themselves. It's also important that Ukraine maintains the moral high ground so Western weapons continue to flow into the country. WWII was probably the last time that was effective. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:19:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Yes indeed. Attacking civilians is exactly what Pootie wants. Don't give him what he needs for true support and a reason to do something even more ridiculous. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Taboot: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Easterner: They hit an apartment building here. Fuck this is horrible. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1614261817660043273 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcFiXuX0AIsu44_jpeg-2671567.JPG In the other pics it looks like the whole unit is wiped out. Probably a lot of people at home. Hopefully most were out shopping for the new year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcHSAcWQAArwKe_jpeg-2671593.JPG Omg, that's horrific. I am so sorry. Disagree, but I think a hit team smoking a few bomber crews at their favorite after-hours watering hole would be an extremely effective and appropriate response. Yes indeed. Attacking civilians is exactly what Pootie wants. Don't give him what he needs for true support and a reason to do something even more ridiculous. Right, civilians have to stay off the table. But there’s a broad array of relatively soft targets that can be used to ratchet up the pain. All oil and gas lines should be targets now; everyone has had time and warning to wean off. Infrastructure that aids the war effort w/in range of the border is fair game. I’d hit military targets in the port of Novorossiysk. It would greatly scare off civilian shipping and ratchet up the pressure (keep in mind how crucial that port is to the Russian economy). Plenty of ways to respond and drive home pain, while being cheered instead of jeered for attacking civilians. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:23:24 PM EDT
[#43]
More shit blowing up and other shit lighting on fire courtesy of AFU.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:23:59 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnh57: I'd like to see the Kremlin burned to the fucking ground. Hopefully with poopin still at his desk. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnh57: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Moscow is within the 1000km range of their new drones. I want to see Lenin's Tomb in flames. I'd like to see the Kremlin burned to the fucking ground. Hopefully with poopin still at his desk. C&C is a legitimate military target. 
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:26:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7empest]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Now up to 14 of the Challies and 30 AS90s.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64274755 WAT**Okay, let me temper this, this almost certainly speculative bullshit, but a forum can dream. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/89E91510-A4CC-4881-8EF8-B57CB0A3E383-2672348.jpg
Oh snap I called it a couple thousand pages back! Peekaboo orcs!  
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:33:56 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: More shit blowing up and other shit lighting on fire courtesy of AFU.
airburst or fused to detonate before making contact? |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:38:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Moscow is within the 1000km range of their new drones. I want to see Lenin's Tomb in flames. Lenin has probably been in flames for quite a while now, might as well light his tomb up. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:42:15 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: WWII was probably the last time that was effective. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Taboot: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Easterner: They hit an apartment building here. Fuck this is horrible. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1614261817660043273 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcFiXuX0AIsu44_jpeg-2671567.JPG In the other pics it looks like the whole unit is wiped out. Probably a lot of people at home. Hopefully most were out shopping for the new year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcHSAcWQAArwKe_jpeg-2671593.JPG Omg, that's horrific. I am so sorry. Deliberately targeting civilians rarely, if ever has the intended effect. Deliberately targeting civilians in Russia will likely galvanize the Russian population into enthusiastically participating in and supporting mobilization, as opposed to the current state of affairs in which most of the Russian public supports the war, but doesn't want to get mobilized and fight in it themselves. It's also important that Ukraine maintains the moral high ground so Western weapons continue to flow into the country. WWII was probably the last time that was effective. To be honest, I don't know if it was that effective overall in WW2. Years ago, I read some papers on strategic bombing during WW2, and the general consensus (it's been a while) was that while it traumatized those in the immediate vicinity of where bombs hit, it didn't hinder the population's will to fight as a whole. In fact, it most likely hardened it. Another example from WW2 is that the Germans were absolutely ruthless when it came to attempting to suppress partisans, yet they were never able to quell partisans most anywhere they occupied. They viewed brutality as being a force multiplier, when it made things worse in actuality most of the time. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:46:31 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: To be honest, I don't know if it was that effective overall in WW2. Years ago, I read some papers on strategic bombing during WW2, and the general consensus (it's been a while) was that while it traumatized those in the immediate vicinity of where bombs hit, it didn't hinder the population's will to fight as a whole. In fact, it most likely hardened it. Another example from WW2 is that the Germans were absolutely ruthless when it came to attempting to suppress partisans, yet they were never able to quell partisans most anywhere they occupied. They viewed brutality as being a force multiplier, when it made things worse in actuality most of the time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Taboot: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Easterner: They hit an apartment building here. Fuck this is horrible. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1614261817660043273 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcFiXuX0AIsu44_jpeg-2671567.JPG In the other pics it looks like the whole unit is wiped out. Probably a lot of people at home. Hopefully most were out shopping for the new year. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/FmcHSAcWQAArwKe_jpeg-2671593.JPG Omg, that's horrific. I am so sorry. Deliberately targeting civilians rarely, if ever has the intended effect. Deliberately targeting civilians in Russia will likely galvanize the Russian population into enthusiastically participating in and supporting mobilization, as opposed to the current state of affairs in which most of the Russian public supports the war, but doesn't want to get mobilized and fight in it themselves. It's also important that Ukraine maintains the moral high ground so Western weapons continue to flow into the country. WWII was probably the last time that was effective. To be honest, I don't know if it was that effective overall in WW2. Years ago, I read some papers on strategic bombing during WW2, and the general consensus (it's been a while) was that while it traumatized those in the immediate vicinity of where bombs hit, it didn't hinder the population's will to fight as a whole. In fact, it most likely hardened it. Another example from WW2 is that the Germans were absolutely ruthless when it came to attempting to suppress partisans, yet they were never able to quell partisans most anywhere they occupied. They viewed brutality as being a force multiplier, when it made things worse in actuality most of the time. I disagree, the fire storms in Germany and Japan let the people know all was lost. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:48:06 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: To be honest, I don't know if it was that effective overall in WW2. Years ago, I read some papers on strategic bombing during WW2, and the general consensus (it's been a while) was that while it traumatized those in the immediate vicinity of where bombs hit, it didn't hinder the population's will to fight as a whole. In fact, it most likely hardened it. Another example from WW2 is that the Germans were absolutely ruthless when it came to attempting to suppress partisans, yet they were never able to quell partisans most anywhere they occupied. They viewed brutality as being a force multiplier, when it made things worse in actuality most of the time. The big example people will point to is the nuclear bombs in Japan. The problem is looking at those in a vacuum and not the cumulation of the destruction of their shipping (and with it food and other supplies) and being pushed back to the home islands. |
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