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Link Posted: 1/23/2023 11:13:04 PM EST
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Are you ok ending this war with Ukraine coming out with less territory than they started with?. They are not. So at some point every inch will have to be worth risking lives for.
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Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast:
Originally Posted By AROKIE:
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Originally Posted By Prime:


Russian POV






https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnKioBAXEAADy5y?format=jpg&name=large


I understand Bakhmut is a great killing field for russian soldiers and equipment. And I understand it is terrible thorn in the side for russian military pride. But I hope Ukraine hasn't decided this is a destroyed piece of dirt worth dying for.


I believe every inch of Ukrainian soil is worth it.

This is the mentality that I really, really hope Ukraine doesn't subscribe to. Holding disadvantageous ground and letting good units get chewed up under the guise of "every inch of Ukrainian soil is worth it" isn't a winning strategy. Ukraine shouldn't be eager to throw its better units into meat grinders for ground that largely doesn't matter and can likely be retaken at a later date (as the Kharkiv counter offensive demonstrated). Over the long term, that'll lead to a serious decline in the quality of the Ukrainian military with little to show for it, because lots of their experienced troops will have become casualties in the process of defending irrelevant ground and won't be around to train up/lead the new soldiers Ukraine has brought into the fold since the invasion.


Are you ok ending this war with Ukraine coming out with less territory than they started with?. They are not. So at some point every inch will have to be worth risking lives for.

No, I'm not, and I don't think you understand what I said at all. My point is that Ukraine shouldn't defend bad positions like Severodonetsk, shouldn't be afraid to retreat to superior positions when needed, and shouldn't let Russia grind up their best units over ground that means nothing and can likely be retaken later in future offensives, as Kharkiv showed.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 11:13:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:


Are you ok ending this war with Ukraine coming out with less territory than they started with?. They are not. So at some point every inch will have to be worth risking lives for.
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Originally Posted By Prime:


Russian POV






https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnKioBAXEAADy5y?format=jpg&name=large


I understand Bakhmut is a great killing field for russian soldiers and equipment. And I understand it is terrible thorn in the side for russian military pride. But I hope Ukraine hasn't decided this is a destroyed piece of dirt worth dying for.


I believe every inch of Ukrainian soil is worth it.

This is the mentality that I really, really hope Ukraine doesn't subscribe to. Holding disadvantageous ground and letting good units get chewed up under the guise of "every inch of Ukrainian soil is worth it" isn't a winning strategy. Ukraine shouldn't be eager to throw its better units into meat grinders for ground that largely doesn't matter and can likely be retaken at a later date (as the Kharkiv counter offensive demonstrated). Over the long term, that'll lead to a serious decline in the quality of the Ukrainian military with little to show for it, because lots of their experienced troops will have become casualties in the process of defending irrelevant ground and won't be around to train up/lead the new soldiers Ukraine has brought into the fold since the invasion.


Are you ok ending this war with Ukraine coming out with less territory than they started with?. They are not. So at some point every inch will have to be worth risking lives for.

I think it's safe to say that certain ground can be tactically, temporarily ceded for the sake of achieving an overarching goal of a full return of Ukraine's original borders, to include Crimea.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 11:16:14 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/23/2023 11:32:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast:

No, I'm not, and I don't think you understand what I said at all. My point is that Ukraine shouldn't defend bad positions like Severodonetsk, shouldn't be afraid to retreat to superior positions when needed, and shouldn't let Russia grind up their best units over ground that means nothing and can likely be retaken later in future offensives, as Kharkiv showed.
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:
Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast:
Originally Posted By AROKIE:
Originally Posted By stone-age:
Originally Posted By Prime:


Russian POV






https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnKioBAXEAADy5y?format=jpg&name=large


I understand Bakhmut is a great killing field for russian soldiers and equipment. And I understand it is terrible thorn in the side for russian military pride. But I hope Ukraine hasn't decided this is a destroyed piece of dirt worth dying for.


I believe every inch of Ukrainian soil is worth it.

This is the mentality that I really, really hope Ukraine doesn't subscribe to. Holding disadvantageous ground and letting good units get chewed up under the guise of "every inch of Ukrainian soil is worth it" isn't a winning strategy. Ukraine shouldn't be eager to throw its better units into meat grinders for ground that largely doesn't matter and can likely be retaken at a later date (as the Kharkiv counter offensive demonstrated). Over the long term, that'll lead to a serious decline in the quality of the Ukrainian military with little to show for it, because lots of their experienced troops will have become casualties in the process of defending irrelevant ground and won't be around to train up/lead the new soldiers Ukraine has brought into the fold since the invasion.


Are you ok ending this war with Ukraine coming out with less territory than they started with?. They are not. So at some point every inch will have to be worth risking lives for.

No, I'm not, and I don't think you understand what I said at all. My point is that Ukraine shouldn't defend bad positions like Severodonetsk, shouldn't be afraid to retreat to superior positions when needed, and shouldn't let Russia grind up their best units over ground that means nothing and can likely be retaken later in future offensives, as Kharkiv showed.


I see what your saying. I agree it's not worth risking lives of soldiers that can be used at a more specific time and tactically better prepared to take back land.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 11:40:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:


I see what your saying. I agree it's not worth risking lives of soldiers that can be used at a more specific time and tactically better prepared to take back land.
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Originally Posted By Prime:


Russian POV






https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnKioBAXEAADy5y?format=jpg&name=large


I understand Bakhmut is a great killing field for russian soldiers and equipment. And I understand it is terrible thorn in the side for russian military pride. But I hope Ukraine hasn't decided this is a destroyed piece of dirt worth dying for.


I believe every inch of Ukrainian soil is worth it.

This is the mentality that I really, really hope Ukraine doesn't subscribe to. Holding disadvantageous ground and letting good units get chewed up under the guise of "every inch of Ukrainian soil is worth it" isn't a winning strategy. Ukraine shouldn't be eager to throw its better units into meat grinders for ground that largely doesn't matter and can likely be retaken at a later date (as the Kharkiv counter offensive demonstrated). Over the long term, that'll lead to a serious decline in the quality of the Ukrainian military with little to show for it, because lots of their experienced troops will have become casualties in the process of defending irrelevant ground and won't be around to train up/lead the new soldiers Ukraine has brought into the fold since the invasion.


Are you ok ending this war with Ukraine coming out with less territory than they started with?. They are not. So at some point every inch will have to be worth risking lives for.

No, I'm not, and I don't think you understand what I said at all. My point is that Ukraine shouldn't defend bad positions like Severodonetsk, shouldn't be afraid to retreat to superior positions when needed, and shouldn't let Russia grind up their best units over ground that means nothing and can likely be retaken later in future offensives, as Kharkiv showed.


I see what your saying. I agree it's not worth risking lives of soldiers that can be used at a more specific time and tactically better prepared to take back land.

Link Posted: 1/23/2023 11:41:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:
Originally Posted By stone-age:
Originally Posted By Prime:


Russian POV






https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnKioBAXEAADy5y?format=jpg&name=large


I understand Bakhmut is a great killing field for russian soldiers and equipment. And I understand it is terrible thorn in the side for russian military pride. But I hope Ukraine hasn't decided this is a destroyed piece of dirt worth dying for.


I believe every inch of Ukrainian soil is worth it.

This is the mentality that I really, really hope Ukraine doesn't subscribe to. Holding disadvantageous ground and letting good units get chewed up under the guise of "every inch of Ukrainian soil is worth it" isn't a winning strategy. Ukraine shouldn't be eager to throw its better units into meat grinders for ground that largely doesn't matter and can likely be retaken at a later date (as the Kharkiv counter offensive demonstrated). Over the long term, that'll lead to a serious decline in the quality of the Ukrainian military with little to show for it, because lots of their experienced troops will have become casualties in the process of defending irrelevant ground and won't be around to train up/lead the new soldiers Ukraine has brought into the fold since the invasion.


Are you ok ending this war with Ukraine coming out with less territory than they started with?. They are not. So at some point every inch will have to be worth risking lives for.

No, I'm not, and I don't think you understand what I said at all. My point is that Ukraine shouldn't defend bad positions like Severodonetsk, shouldn't be afraid to retreat to superior positions when needed, and shouldn't let Russia grind up their best units over ground that means nothing and can likely be retaken later in future offensives, as Kharkiv showed.


I see what your saying. I agree it's not worth risking lives of soldiers that can be used at a more specific time and tactically better prepared to take back land.


Link Posted: 1/23/2023 11:56:55 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/23/2023 11:58:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly:


Concur.  It is a nice meme, but when you compare actual combat records, not so much.  I believe that more Leopards have been total write-offs due to battle damage than Abrams. Definitely a lot more Leos than Challengers have been wrecked.  I have a feeling that the idea ""we don't want Leo's to get killed unless Abrams are also dying" will backfire in a big way, as my bet is that M1s are far easier to maintain in combat conditions at the unit level than the Leo, and the Challengers being sent will probably put the Leos to shame regarding crew survivability..  
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Google “al-bab”

The meme was obviously a joke, though I admit too subtle and not obvious enough (I did not create it).
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 12:14:04 AM EST
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Just a reminder that the US has warned the EU about getting gas for Russia for a longggg time:

Link Posted: 1/24/2023 12:17:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DonKey153:


They wanted to raise rabbits with a round american woman?
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Well, there's a reason my immediate family fled to MT...



Brilliant.  


They wanted to raise rabbits with a round american woman?

Well, that might have turned out better than training thoroughbreds for a living. We're not exactly rich. And we have to buy our food instead of eating rabbit. The horses belonged to someone else, so, no freezer meat there.

And now I'll apologize for adding literally nothing to this thread with this response.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 12:56:56 AM EST
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You mean 1:30 in the trench?

Looks like his own grenades go off in his chest rig as secondaries.
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Some footage from failed Russian advances recently.


Adam tactical group footage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10jnl9k/compilation_of_artillery_strikes_against_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb


In that Adam Tactical footage, at -2:30, right after the drone drop impact, it looks like a dude takes 3-4 hits from small arms fire.


You mean 1:30 in the trench?

Looks like his own grenades go off in his chest rig as secondaries.

I think it was a ND of his weapon as he stumbled backward.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 1:05:56 AM EST
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Starsky would get a kick out of that as a dog guy.

I think Futch is his dogs name?
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 1:14:37 AM EST
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This is hilarious
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 1:25:52 AM EST
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@AlmightyTallest your membership expired. Log out and back in. Thanks for your hard work.
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LOL, he has his moments, don't worry about stealing my thunder guys.
@AlmightyTallest your membership expired. Log out and back in. Thanks for your hard work.


Wow, as a 21’er (new guy, I know) this is a noteworthy thing to see. I’m glad I joined after all these years of lurking. This is the right community (working like an actual community) to belong to.

Arf really is an anachronism is many ways, hopefully that keeps hanging around.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 1:26:52 AM EST
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One more
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Link Posted: 1/24/2023 1:30:51 AM EST
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/rheinmetall-could-deliver-139-leopard-tanks-ukraine-rnd-2023-01-23/



https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/82C11008-42A0-4F3F-9916-8968EFF49287-2683219.jpg
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Why do they require the consent of the German government?
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 1:35:21 AM EST
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Why do they require the consent of the German government?
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/rheinmetall-could-deliver-139-leopard-tanks-ukraine-rnd-2023-01-23/



https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/82C11008-42A0-4F3F-9916-8968EFF49287-2683219.jpg
Why do they require the consent of the German government?


Germany makes them, and its in the contract they cannot transfer German made weapons of war without the makers consent
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 1:35:40 AM EST
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It’s written into the contracts.  US does the same thing with defense exports  to prevent it going to undesirable places.

The fact Germany considers defending Ukraine undesirable (or at lest, defending it REALLY well) is what is pissing people off.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 1:45:55 AM EST
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Link Posted: 1/24/2023 3:25:44 AM EST
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Attacks on orcs in the Kherson region.

Hacksaw The location of the equipment: six fuel trucks, two self-propelled guns, two tanks, an armored personnel carrier, an armored personnel carrier were burned.

Oleshki Cafe "Edem", Officers were covered when they held a meeting there.
The Russian officer corps has shrunk, we will provide accurate information on the number later.

Coincidentally, during the officer's "lunch" there was an approach to the target about a kilometer from "Eden" and it was thought that they would escape. But they heroically continued their last meetings until they waited for them to fly.

The information has been verified by monitoring groups. That is, true.

send news to @hueviy_kherson_Bot

https://t.me/hueviyherson/33468


Link Posted: 1/24/2023 3:32:07 AM EST
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This appears to be additional footage from Ukrainian POV of the Roshel Senator that was burned up recently, believed to be the first casualty.



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Big day for air defense. I wonder how many Ka-52s are still serviceable.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 4:55:34 AM EST
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BMPT Terminator firing into the woods.

Russian propaganda video! NSFW starts at 0:45

Crazy rate of fire.



Link Posted: 1/24/2023 5:02:10 AM EST
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Inside firing T-90M

The Russian thermals are bad.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 5:39:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By IEC:
I'm sure in the Kremlin they never counted on convicts amounting to much of anything but "cannon meat". If they killed a few Ukrainian TDF in the process of acting as human meat shields/arty bait, bonus.

That's 50K fever convicts they have to house, feed, guard. That's probably worth a Lada or two, no?
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If you could magically send half of Baltimore or Memphis to fight for Ukraine, would you do so?
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 6:17:00 AM EST
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If you could magically send half of Baltimore or Memphis to fight for Ukraine, would you do so?
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Your terms are acceptable.

But I would also insist on LA, Houston, Chicago, and Miami.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 7:09:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Jack67:


It’s written into the contracts.  US does the same thing with defense exports  to prevent it going to undesirable places.

The fact Germany considers defending Ukraine undesirable (or at lest, defending it REALLY well) is what is pissing people off.
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Why do they require the consent of the German government?


It’s written into the contracts.  US does the same thing with defense exports  to prevent it going to undesirable places.

The fact Germany considers defending Ukraine undesirable (or at lest, defending it REALLY well) is what is pissing people off.


The only thing germany can do is refuse future sales to those countries.

I don’t think that’s a threat anymore as the German MIC was killed by their own Gov/
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 7:21:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By darkd0r:

They want your truck for a newly mobilized brigade so they have something to carry the only rifle they've got.
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ha
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 7:26:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By IEC:
I'm sure in the Kremlin they never counted on convicts amounting to much of anything but "cannon meat". If they killed a few Ukrainian TDF in the process of acting as human meat shields/arty bait, bonus.

That's 50K fever convicts they have to house, feed, guard. That's probably worth a Lada or two, no?
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Reverse genocide. Imagine how different history would look if Hitler drafted all the Jews and sent them into battle as cannon fodder instead of executing them.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 7:32:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By kncook:


The only thing germany can do is refuse future sales to those countries.

I don’t think that’s a threat anymore as the German MIC was killed by their own Gov/
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As long as you don’t ever want spare parts for your other 350 Leopards, or ammo, optics, radios, etc, Or technical assistance, or any other small arms or any possible piece of equipment that requires an export license. It’s a Crossing the Rubicon type move. Notice Poland has already in the last 24 hours duly submitted the paperwork for approval an not just blustered ahead.

Long-term, Germany may (may) suffer. But in the short term, they have Europe by the balls.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 7:33:16 AM EST
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Reverse genocide. Imagine how different history would look if Hitler drafted all the Jews and sent them into battle as cannon fodder instead of executing them.
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Wonder if that's what our .gov will do with evil whitey
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 7:46:01 AM EST
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Anti-corruption threats showing teeth. Many officials dismissed, prosecution threatened.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64383388

The defence minister himself - Oleksii Reznikov - has been under scrutiny for the same reason.
A host of other top officials were dismissed on Tuesday, including:
Deputy Prosecutor General Oleskiy Symonenko
Deputy Minister for Development of Communities and Territories Ivan Lukeryu
Deputy Minister for Development of Communities and Territories Vyacheslav Negoda
Deputy Minister for Social Policy Vitaliy Muzychenk
And the regional governors of Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kyiv, Sumy and Kherson
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Link Posted: 1/24/2023 7:56:35 AM EST
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Air warning nationwide, Bears and Migs reportedly airborne.

Link Posted: 1/24/2023 8:03:59 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Jack67:


As long as you don’t ever want spare parts for your other 350 Leopards, or ammo, optics, radios, etc, Or technical assistance, or any other small arms or any possible piece of equipment that requires an export license. It’s a Crossing the Rubicon type move. Notice Poland has already in the last 24 hours duly submitted the paperwork for approval an not just blustered ahead.

Long-term, Germany may (may) suffer. But in the short term, they have Europe by the balls.
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Originally Posted By kncook:


The only thing germany can do is refuse future sales to those countries.

I don’t think that’s a threat anymore as the German MIC was killed by their own Gov/


As long as you don’t ever want spare parts for your other 350 Leopards, or ammo, optics, radios, etc, Or technical assistance, or any other small arms or any possible piece of equipment that requires an export license. It’s a Crossing the Rubicon type move. Notice Poland has already in the last 24 hours duly submitted the paperwork for approval an not just blustered ahead.

Long-term, Germany may (may) suffer. But in the short term, they have Europe by the balls.


Poland et al are moving ahead behind the scenes with training. That gives Germany some time to figure out what they will do, but by April-May everybody will move forward with or without them.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 8:06:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By iggy1337:
A new summation of GD's favorite "The Left Lens" hosted by some commie shitbird and America hating Americans in the form of Dan Kovalik (never heard of him) and Scott Ritter.

Don't do Commie drugs you might want to watch  Lazer Pig's wrapup of the Gonzalo Lira round table instead.

Dan Kovalik:

- Russia is genuine about peace.
- Boris Johnson forced Ukraine not to accept a reasonable peace deal that only required Ukraine to be disarmed and ceade a shit ton of territory.
- "I was just in Donets and people are happy the Russian are there".
- People of Donets wanted the Russians there and the Russian Communist party wanted to go in earlier.
- Putin is very restrained and "Russia could just take the Donbas like that" but didn't want to because borther Slavs but now forced to act because of cease fire violations.
- Russia was also forced to act because Ukraine was massing troops at the border and was scarred Ukraine was going to invade Russia.
- Didn't wan to wait for the Nazis to invade but really acted reluctantly.
- Russia going slow because they are so carefull and didn't wan to attack Kiev (but could have destroyed it easily, not like evil USA with shock and awe.
- West is evil, US is evil and wanted war fighting to the last Ukrainian.
- Americans ignorant, people of Donbas/Russia cultured.

Scott Ritter:

- US promised they wouldn't expand NATO.
- All America does is lie. Russia warned US not to let Ukraine in to NATO.
- NAZI Coup in Kiev by CIA to carry out genocide on Russians.
- NATO wanted a proxy war with Russia.
- Russia not violating international law because replublics declared indipendence and entered security agreement with Russia so it's not a civil war[*]
- Threat from Ukraine was so imminent that Russia had to invade.
- Russia has done nothing but follow international law.
- NATO just wanted to attack Russia  
- REEE Yogoslavia.
- There is no chance in hell that Russia will stop uless there is unconditional surrender by NATO and Ukraine  
- NATO is deafeated wil dictate terms so the Russian sphere of of influence is protected.
- Russia can easily take on US armed forces in Europe, they will just kill them. The USA airforce sucks and the Russia's most lethal air defnce system in history will shoot them all down.
- America would lose it's airforce on day because Russia stronk.
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Was just going to comment on this and similar issues. Bad tales and Russian support is not limited to certain elements.
I see so many comments here about all these baddie “conservatives” who are rabid anti-Ukraine, but I mainly have seen only fringe elements  (so far right they are left, and far left wingers) with such outlooks.
Most sensible people not absorbing bad sources can reason out who is the aggrieved and who is the aggressor.
Definitely a concerted effort to paint a narrative with some… not surprisingly political operatives never sleep.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 8:08:36 AM EST
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Anti-corruption threats showing teeth. Many officials dismissed, prosecution threatened.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64383388
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Property worth 10 million (*UAH): SAP asks the Prosecutor General to open a case against MP Halimon


Link Posted: 1/24/2023 8:30:53 AM EST
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UA BTR-4 with a small lateral through and through with only a little spall damage.



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Interesting collaboration here.
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POV Kamikaze footage from UA NG in Donetsk.
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More drone/drop/roll footage. May be a repeat, who knows with this awful shit


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All around a BMP with a 30mm gun on it. Crew?

Resolution isnt enough to not see weapons. Could also be convicts sent forward to draw fire or be shot by the officers.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 8:51:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Jack67:
Anti-corruption threats showing teeth. Many officials dismissed, prosecution threatened.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64383388



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Originally Posted By Jack67:
Anti-corruption threats showing teeth. Many officials dismissed, prosecution threatened.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64383388

The defence minister himself - Oleksii Reznikov - has been under scrutiny for the same reason.
A host of other top officials were dismissed on Tuesday, including:
Deputy Prosecutor General Oleskiy Symonenko
Deputy Minister for Development of Communities and Territories Ivan Lukeryu
Deputy Minister for Development of Communities and Territories Vyacheslav Negoda
Deputy Minister for Social Policy Vitaliy Muzychenk
And the regional governors of Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kyiv, Sumy and Kherson





Systemic. No bueno.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 8:52:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Jack67:
Air warning nationwide, Bears and Migs reportedly airborne.

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Link Posted: 1/24/2023 8:54:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DOW:

Systemic. No bueno.
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We knew it was systemic/cultural, it's impossible not to be when you're Russia's playground.

It's now being looked at as treasonous by Ukrainians on Telegram.
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 9:09:49 AM EST
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Then we have Anglo-Saxons fighting Anglo-Saxons

There is no notable genetic difference between UA, RU and any other European country, except Russia is stupid

Russia is everyone's dysfunctional family relative  
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