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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:18:52 PM EDT
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Occupied Zolote, strike on Russian power system.
    
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:19:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: After this fiasco, Germany deserves to lose much of its export market in terms of weapons, and all of Eastern Europe should get Abrams after sending their Leopards to Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Oh come on, just do the right thing guys.
After this fiasco, Germany deserves to lose much of its export market in terms of weapons, and all of Eastern Europe should get Abrams after sending their Leopards to Ukraine. Blocking or delaying western tanks to Ukraine AND making Germany weaker serves Russian interests... Certainly looks like a good number of Germany's leaders are compromised. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:22:41 PM EDT
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Can someone in the know give an update on what the winter conditions are doing, to both sides?
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:23:07 PM EDT
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Video in tweet.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:24:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Video in tweet.
If you can't access it You don't really control it |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:28:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Think about? Seriously? What in the actual fuck is going on? 2 weeks? Why do they need 2 weeks? What are they actually doing while they tell us they are "thinking about"? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Oh come on, just do the right thing guys.
Think about? Seriously? What in the actual fuck is going on? 2 weeks? Why do they need 2 weeks? What are they actually doing while they tell us they are "thinking about"? They don’t want to. They want cheap Russian gas for social programs. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:29:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Occupied Zolote, strike on Russian power system. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnK-RMmWYAEmQm0?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnK-RMmX0AA0j_z?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnK-RMpXoAAC5hn?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnK-RPNXwAcuQIu?format=jpg&name=large Now lets see the after photos
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:34:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Those are the before photos. Now lets see the after photos  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:36:22 PM EDT
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 Oleh Valovyi was sitting with his wife at their kitchen table when the russian missile hit their home in Dnipro. russia is a terrorist state Photo Lynsey Addario, NY Times |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:39:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: If you could magically send half of Baltimore or Memphis to fight for Ukraine, would you do so? Sure...both populations have extensive firearms training already. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:43:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Like Trump here in the USA . . . . . CMOS  |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:45:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy:
https://i.postimg.cc/wjFtBWfC/Fn-Lt-Qe-LXECoxw-H6.jpg Oleh Valovyi was sitting with his wife at their kitchen table when the russian missile hit their home in Dnipro. russia is a terrorist state Photo Lynsey Addario, NY Times So many lives changed in these past 11 months. I am starting to see more people with crutches, canes, lost limbs. I really think of the kids that grow up in this mess. 
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:47:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
So you're going to see about 100 Leopard 2's to Ukraine, and perhaps the same or more numbers of M1's. That gives the Ukrainian general the 200+ Western tanks and additional infantry fighting vehicles to make offensive gains in the Spring. I hope I'm wrong. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:55:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Very interesting article in Der Spiegel. Interview with a polsih political expert and think-tank member of the European Council on Foreign Relations. It's behind a paywall, so you can look at it here if you read German: https://archive.is/r1yDZ . Unfortunately, that won't work with Google Translate so I hope you guys appreciate me translating it on the fly and typing all of this up.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Very interesting article in Der Spiegel. Interview with a polsih political expert and think-tank member of the European Council on Foreign Relations. It's behind a paywall, so you can look at it here if you read German: https://archive.is/r1yDZ . Unfortunately, that won't work with Google Translate so I hope you guys appreciate me translating it on the fly and typing all of this up. The loss of reputation is catastrophic Berlin's hesitation in delivering Leopard outrages the Eastern Europeans, says political expert Piotr Buras. Many are asking if the Germans areserious about their support for Ukraine - or if doing business with Moscow is more important. SPIEGEL: The polish government is disappointed in Germany, because they still haven't decided if they will deliver Leopard tanks. Has Polen understood why Germany is being so hesitant? Buras: The polish public - and not just them - is confused but also outraged at the Germans (Note Zhukov: He specifically says Germans - not German government). How controversial the internal debate is that there is also German criticism does not get through. Olaf Scholz represents the Germans. And he actually never really explained his arguments. SPIEGEL: What is Poland suspecting? Buras: Many in Warsaw believe that Berlin doesn't believe that Ukraine can still accomplish much in this war. And that's why, from the Germans' point of view, it's not worth getting involved there. Some even suspect that the Germans wish for Ukraine to lose. SPIEGEL: Why should they? Buras: There is fear that the Germans hope to quickly return to doing business with Russia. They forget that Berlin is one of the most important arms suppliers to Ukraine. But their zig-zagging, this reluctance, has been observed again and again since the beginning of the war. The Germans don't act, they only react when international pressure is overwhelming. People here believe that their commitment is really serious. The loss of reputation as a result is catastrophic. Ramstein's decision not to supply tanks is seen as a blockade. SPIEGEL: The Poles have doubts that the promised turning point is really coming? Buras: Olaf Scholz's speech was received with enthusiasm. And I believe that Germany has also come a long way in recent months when it comes to taking a critical look at Russia, for example. The turning point - not the one promised by Scholz, but the real one in the world - goes deeper. Much more is expected of Germany. But the country somehow always lags behind. SPIEGEL: The German government does not show a unified front. Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock has signaled that Berlin would approve Leopard exports from countries like Poland. Can Berlin actually still say no to their own deliveries? Buras: I believe and hope that it is only a matter of time before Germany agrees on the Leopard issue. The long hesitation has set the political price for a no even higher. Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has given a test order for the Leos, Ukrainians are probably already being trained on the device. I can't imagine that the government could now seriously come to the decision that it actually doesn't want to supply tanks. That could no longer be conveyed to anyone among the international partners. Interesting, thanks for writing that up. The reputation hit really is huge. It will have ramifications for years. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:55:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Oh come on, just do the right thing guys.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:58:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnK-RPNXwAcuQIu?format=jpg&name=large Commie reporter should hop down in that hole and get us a picture of what the inside looks like. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:59:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I disagree by Spring...I think at soonest we would see these make an effect on the battlefield would be late summer/fall. Spring is going to be here fast. They drug their feet so much, it may be next spring. I hope I'm wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
So you're going to see about 100 Leopard 2's to Ukraine, and perhaps the same or more numbers of M1's. That gives the Ukrainian general the 200+ Western tanks and additional infantry fighting vehicles to make offensive gains in the Spring. I hope I'm wrong. The only reason I think it's earlier is because the West already had the intel months ago that Russia wasn't going to back down and that they had massive conscription campaigns for new offensives this year. There is evidence that some training programs for Ukrainians were started in July for various NATO weapons systems. You can start training tank crews with book work and simulators, they don't always have to be in the vehicles. If the West put some thought into this training it won't take as long if they figured out a program that helped people get up to speed on these systems. An IRIS-T and NASAMS surface to air missile system is far more complex to operate than an M1 and M2 Bradley, and the former have been used for months in ukraine. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:02:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:06:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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This is allegedly a HIMARS strike, may end up being that officer collection point reported earlier.
ETA- There's a tweet claiming that this is Luhansk, officers were claimed (by Ukrainians) to be in Kherson. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:10:49 PM EDT
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here simply by wondering if Geramy's slowness to respond is actually an OPSEC diversion. Training may be already ongoing for Ukrainian soldiers on their Leopards, transportation to the front lines of lots of tanks is always a security concern.
My criticism of how NATO, including the US, is how open we have been about what we are doing and when we are doing it. Russia doesn't need any spies, we voluntarily surrender our logistics plans online and in the press. I may be wrong, but I believe Germany will send tanks, maybe a significant number of them. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:11:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:11:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: So many lives changed in these past 11 months. I am starting to see more people with crutches, canes, lost limbs. I really think of the kids that grow up in this mess. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By Auto5guy:
https://i.postimg.cc/wjFtBWfC/Fn-Lt-Qe-LXECoxw-H6.jpg Oleh Valovyi was sitting with his wife at their kitchen table when the russian missile hit their home in Dnipro. russia is a terrorist state Photo Lynsey Addario, NY Times So many lives changed in these past 11 months. I am starting to see more people with crutches, canes, lost limbs. I really think of the kids that grow up in this mess. So many of the country's best are fighting to defend her from the orcs, and getting killed. Meanwhile the orcs they are having to grind up are worth a dime a dozen, and the DirleWagner convicts among those aren't even worth that to their motherland. Every day that the requested lethal aid has been delayed has cost more good lives. I wish their allies would quit screwing around and just do the needful. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:13:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093:
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:14:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: I'm going to play devil's advocate here simply by wondering if Geramy's slowness to respond is actually an OPSEC diversion. Training may be already ongoing for Ukrainian soldiers on their Leopards, transportation to the front lines of lots of tanks is always a security concern. My criticism of how NATO, including the US, is how open we have been about what we are doing and when we are doing it. Russia doesn't need any spies, we voluntarily surrender our logistics plans online and in the press. I may be wrong, but I believe Germany will send tanks, maybe a significant number of them. I think it’s because Germany really doesn’t have any serviceable tanks and they lied about how many they could actually give. Money meant to maintain them diverted to gender studies or welfare. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:15:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:16:35 PM EDT
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Yikes. Nobody made it out of this one unscathed.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:25:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093:
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:28:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: I think it’s because Germany really doesn’t have any serviceable tanks and they lied about how many they could actually give. Money meant to maintain them diverted to gender studies or welfare. That would be my guess as well. Plus how many refugees did those cunts take in? Yeah just like the demorats in this country. Santa clause my hard earned taxes to some shit head to buy their votes. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:34:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: So many lives changed in these past 11 months. I am starting to see more people with crutches, canes, lost limbs. I really think of the kids that grow up in this mess. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By Auto5guy:
https://i.postimg.cc/wjFtBWfC/Fn-Lt-Qe-LXECoxw-H6.jpg Oleh Valovyi was sitting with his wife at their kitchen table when the russian missile hit their home in Dnipro. russia is a terrorist state Photo Lynsey Addario, NY Times So many lives changed in these past 11 months. I am starting to see more people with crutches, canes, lost limbs. I really think of the kids that grow up in this mess. My heart aches over what is happening in Ukraine. Easterner I hope images like this don't cause you too much pain but I think the human face of what the orcs are doing in Ukraine needs to be frequently shown. Even in threads mainly focused on tactics, equipment and battlefield gains. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:34:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Erno86]
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I heard from a source on the news yesterday: That the German Leopard tank is smaller, faster and a better battle tank for the Ukrainians; than the gas-guzzling M1 Abrams --- Even though the Abrams is outfitted with more tactical weaponry.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:35:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The only reason I think it's earlier is because the West already had the intel months ago that Russia wasn't going to back down and that they had massive conscription campaigns for new offensives this year. There is evidence that some training programs for Ukrainians were started in July for various NATO weapons systems. You can start training tank crews with book work and simulators, they don't always have to be in the vehicles. If the West put some thought into this training it won't take as long if they figured out a program that helped people get up to speed on these systems. An IRIS-T and NASAMS surface to air missile system is far more complex to operate than an M1 and M2 Bradley, and the former have been used for months in ukraine. 
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:36:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: My heart aches over what is happening in Ukraine. Easterner I hope images like this don't cause you too much pain but I think the human face of what the orcs are doing in Ukraine needs to be frequently shown. Even in threads mainly focused on tactics, equipment and battlefield gains. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By Auto5guy:
https://i.postimg.cc/wjFtBWfC/Fn-Lt-Qe-LXECoxw-H6.jpg Oleh Valovyi was sitting with his wife at their kitchen table when the russian missile hit their home in Dnipro. russia is a terrorist state Photo Lynsey Addario, NY Times So many lives changed in these past 11 months. I am starting to see more people with crutches, canes, lost limbs. I really think of the kids that grow up in this mess. My heart aches over what is happening in Ukraine. Easterner I hope images like this don't cause you too much pain but I think the human face of what the orcs are doing in Ukraine needs to be frequently shown. Even in threads mainly focused on tactics, equipment and battlefield gains. It definitely needs to be shown and shared. It's too easy to forget about when no one talks about it. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:37:01 PM EDT
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Germany is stonewalling for two reason - the East Germans in the government sympathize with Russia and the decision makers have been bought off by the Russians.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Yikes. Nobody made it out of this one unscathed.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:40:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I hope you are right Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The only reason I think it's earlier is because the West already had the intel months ago that Russia wasn't going to back down and that they had massive conscription campaigns for new offensives this year. There is evidence that some training programs for Ukrainians were started in July for various NATO weapons systems. You can start training tank crews with book work and simulators, they don't always have to be in the vehicles. If the West put some thought into this training it won't take as long if they figured out a program that helped people get up to speed on these systems. An IRIS-T and NASAMS surface to air missile system is far more complex to operate than an M1 and M2 Bradley, and the former have been used for months in ukraine. I feel confident about my statements, but also feel free to send me that crow to eat if I prove to be wrong.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:41:14 PM EDT
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Rolling in now.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:43:41 PM EDT
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Someone earlier requested weather conditions for Ukraine.
 
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:46:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:47:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:51:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgkeller: Germany is stonewalling for two reason - the East Germans in the government sympathize with Russia and the decision makers have been bought off by the Russians. I agree to disagree...on the basis that some people in the German leadership, are a bit hesitant to send the Leopard 2 tanks; because they still feel responsible for their imperialistic attack on Russia during World War 2. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:52:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Rolling in now.
RTL news reported the same some minutes ago. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:53:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: RTL news reported the same some minutes ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Rolling in now.
RTL news reported the same some minutes ago. https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/krieg-in-der-ukraine-deutschland-schickt-leopard-panzer-a-e2dde871-88d0-4cf5-8aae-482d58fd850f |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:56:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The only reason I think it's earlier is because the West already had the intel months ago that Russia wasn't going to back down and that they had massive conscription campaigns for new offensives this year. There is evidence that some training programs for Ukrainians were started in July for various NATO weapons systems. You can start training tank crews with book work and simulators, they don't always have to be in the vehicles. If the West put some thought into this training it won't take as long if they figured out a program that helped people get up to speed on these systems. An IRIS-T and NASAMS surface to air missile system is far more complex to operate than an M1 and M2 Bradley, and the former have been used for months in ukraine. Agree. I think MBT's was already a done deal as I said before that there are probably bigger plans in the works then are being let on for this summer. The West isn't going to let this simmer forever it is costly for them and they will have their stocks depleted. There has been a lot of R&D and feeling out what works as well as a ton of intel gathered. If we haven't been able to digest all of it and put efforts towards strategies, tactics and weapons that will be decisive when we shift to the offensive I will be really surprised. Obviously there are issues as we are in a proxy war and can't send our already trained troops but we will find a way. Last year was a test run. This summer maybe the real deal pushing Russia to the border and shutting off access to Crimea. Then its game over. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:57:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2023 2:04:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2023 2:12:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Someone earlier requested weather conditions for Ukraine.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnPY6_BX0AADpB9?format=png&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnPY8dsXEAEHHaS?format=png&name=900x900
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Posted: 1/24/2023 2:23:37 PM EDT
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Allegedly Germany will send the 2A6 version.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 2:26:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Remember when Russians were convinced they were fighting NATO? Their heads are going to explode when they see M1's and Leopard 2 on the frontlines.
 Meh, he'll find out the M1's are coming too. 
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Posted: 1/24/2023 2:27:14 PM EDT
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Russians on TG trying to say that the tanks are in exchange for resignations/firings in the Ukrainian administration.
So that's coming. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 2:27:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Oh come on, just do the right thing guys.
Poland and friends send the big cats without German approval. What happens then? If abandoning German MiC what’s it matter? |
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