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Posted: 1/27/2023 6:48:42 AM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 6:59:30 AM EST
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video from the Ukrainian 3rd force showing them hit a group of russian soldiers with a ATGM.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:15:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: You aren’t missing much in the .mil thread. It's an overall better quality conversation but not as active as this one. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:28:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: You guys...look closely, this is EXACTLY what the EEEVVILLL MIC looks like.  Look at all those American designers, engineers, and welders....working! Not even flipping burgers, or writing code, but making stuff?? Terrible.  We were probably going to close these yards down anyway (we don't need to know how to make such things, ew, icky and expensive), until that arch villain Zelensky gazed with those big puppy dog eyes of his, and asked for relatively small, relatively inexpensive weapons that the Ukrainians could use to do things like...defend their Black Sea coastline and rebuild their Navy. Just awful, awful stuff! I am sure IT WAS ALL KLAUS SCHWAB'S IDEA! We have to find out how the Big Guy gets his 10% from these nefarious shipyard workers!  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By Prime:
You guys...look closely, this is EXACTLY what the EEEVVILLL MIC looks like. Look at all those American designers, engineers, and welders....working! Not even flipping burgers, or writing code, but making stuff?? Terrible. We were probably going to close these yards down anyway (we don't need to know how to make such things, ew, icky and expensive), until that arch villain Zelensky gazed with those big puppy dog eyes of his, and asked for relatively small, relatively inexpensive weapons that the Ukrainians could use to do things like...defend their Black Sea coastline and rebuild their Navy. Just awful, awful stuff! I am sure IT WAS ALL KLAUS SCHWAB'S IDEA! We have to find out how the Big Guy gets his 10% from these nefarious shipyard workers! lol, people don't know it's MIC.  My first thought was if it can carry two Harpoon missiles.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:31:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Always think cheaper guys, Ukraine doesn't have our deep pockets. A barrage balloon holding up something like a giant sein/gill net, so that the cone draped over the protected object, might be enough. I'm not even talking kevlar or something exotic...otherwise you've got a $2M gold plated solution to protect against the $2K DIY threat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Given the extremely low altitude of attack, would siege balloons / nets be an effective countermeasure around critical infrastructure, such as power stations? Unfortunately no, You would need very large nets strung up by the balloons, and if by chance they flew into a balloon wire they'd just dive and explode nearby. They did that in wwii, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/843D78B4-F7C2-49C7-9798-464FD1FE1768_jpe-2686257.JPG I was thinking of that image when I posted.  So the question is why isn't Ukraine implementing it?I think it is because cruise missiles can be reprogrammed to change their attack direction, altitude, and terminal attack maneuver, such as a steep a vertical dive to get around that defense. They are much smaller than WW2 aircraft, a Tomahawk is 8 foot across for example, so you need smaller chain gaps as well.  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Aim2RXLEdO0 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P04UaFL1cuoA single balloon that has a cone of wires, like a Christmas tree, would work to protect civilian infrastructure. You could use something like nylon line and netting to block shithead drones. Now that's an interesting twist on an old idea. It would be neat if it could be implemented in some way. Always think cheaper guys, Ukraine doesn't have our deep pockets. A barrage balloon holding up something like a giant sein/gill net, so that the cone draped over the protected object, might be enough. I'm not even talking kevlar or something exotic...otherwise you've got a $2M gold plated solution to protect against the $2K DIY threat. lol, I know, I'm just used to being spoiled and given gold plated supplies to create gold plated solutions.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:33:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230127_082641_jpg-2686828.JPG A short while back there was a lot of talk of what the body count would be by Feb 24th. The agreed upon number was about 125,000. Looks like we are going to hit that number by Saturday. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:35:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: I would like to see them send up weather type balloons with lightweight metallic nets to drift over russian territory to fuck with the radars. Put transponders on them for added fuckery. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Now that's an interesting twist on an old idea. It would be neat if it could be implemented in some way. I would like to see them send up weather type balloons with lightweight metallic nets to drift over russian territory to fuck with the radars. Put transponders on them for added fuckery. I may or may not have once gotten into trouble with Pittsburgh International airport many years ago for flying an aluminium box kite on the Penn State Beaver campus. We wanted to see how high the kite would go, so people kept getting string and we attached it and let the kite go higher with each set of string. It was eventually almost impossible to see, and then a police helicopter flew over the campus with a loudspeaker and said "Get that thing outta the sky!" Terrified and wide eyed, I just let go of the string.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:40:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/vladimir-putin-plots-to-seize-us-weapons-from-afghanistan/ar-AA16JmRL Vladimir Putin plots to seize US weapons from Afghanistan A Kremlin insider claims that the Russian despot is in negotiations with the Taliban to recognise the nation's government. In return, Putin wants US equipment snatched from Afghanistan by the Taliban to be handed over - according to Telegram channel General SVR - which claims to be fed information by a Kremlin insider. American troops withdrew from Afghanistan in 2021 as the Taliban surged across the nation and it is thought that fighters stole as many as half a million weapons and up to 50,000 vehicles. The General SVR channel claims: "Putin is overseeing negotiations with the Taliban to recognise the Taliban government. "In return, the Russian leadership is offering a major arms and military equipment swap. "Putin reported that the Taliban possess weapons and equipment including those seized after coming to power in Afghanistan, that are scarce for the Russian Army at the front. "People initiated into the details of the negotiations say that the Taliban are extremely surprised by such proposals, but they are discussing them in earnest.” If Russia begins fielding US equipment on the battlefield against UKR, that’s going to be a terrible look for FJB. Everyone would get a reminder of his failure of leadership right ahead of the 2024 election. I would expect to see the quality of our equipment transfers increase to help UKR win faster. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:41:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Veccio: People will poo poo on you for saying that but I think you have a legitimate point. Western MBTs aren't going to be some 'wunderwaffe' that wins the war. How good/effective these weapons (all the ones we have sent or will send in future) are in an offensive role really depends on how trained and proficient their troops and unit staffs are in c2 and combined arms maneuver and fires. Western weapons, tactics, and supply lines aren't really designed for attrition warfare. At the bare minimum they have to be good at supporting arms and c2 good enough to get all forces in sector on the same page. Has Ukraine hit that stage, especially with a huge mix of new to them MBTs and IFVs that are unlike the T-whatevers and BTRs they were running before? At the tactical level maybe but at the operational level I'm not so sure. I have no doubt they have tons of motivation, courage, and intelligence but it takes multiple years of training by everyone and the right equipment to do it right. Hopefully they pull it off Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Veccio: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: we have spent a lot of time discussing artillery, ADA, aviation, logistics, armor etc but for sure one of the two biggest deficiencies -- in terms of capabilities -- is communications. the ability to communicate up / down, left / right, front to rear on the battlefield with redundancy. integrated. encrypted. long range at the speed of battle. organized nets / comsec, etc. you just have to know its currently very ad hoc which makes 'organized warfare' extremely limited. every US military operation has company commo plan. a battalion plan. a brigade plan, etc. command nets, logistics nets, fire support nets, etc. the other lacking capability -- which i don't ever see being resolved is night vision down to the soldier level. US maneuver warfare is predicated on practically every single soldier having night vision to perform sustained combat ops in the dark. that takes gear AND training. fighting maneuver warfare in the daylight is basically an amateur hour proposition in terms of proficiency. the ukrainians do not lack for heart, courage, or motivation. but they are lacking some key ingredients. because of that i sadly feel the stalemate situation may not improve much in the short term -- and casualties will remain high. I think the MBTs are going to belly flop in Ukraine. I want to be wrong. I'll gladly eat crow. But I don't think I've seen anywhere near the competency level required to operate and sustain MBTs by the Ukrainians. People arent taking seriously what a marvel Western armored warfare is and the things needed to make it happen. How good/effective these weapons (all the ones we have sent or will send in future) are in an offensive role really depends on how trained and proficient their troops and unit staffs are in c2 and combined arms maneuver and fires. Western weapons, tactics, and supply lines aren't really designed for attrition warfare. At the bare minimum they have to be good at supporting arms and c2 good enough to get all forces in sector on the same page. Has Ukraine hit that stage, especially with a huge mix of new to them MBTs and IFVs that are unlike the T-whatevers and BTRs they were running before? At the tactical level maybe but at the operational level I'm not so sure. I have no doubt they have tons of motivation, courage, and intelligence but it takes multiple years of training by everyone and the right equipment to do it right. Hopefully they pull it off I think that the other part of the equation with the MBT's is that they are coming in aid packages that also contain over 100 Self propelled 155mm artillery to go with them. With blurbs of longer range artillery being mentioned, I can't help but think that the Himars will be fitted with the longer range GLSDB or ATACMS to ruin Russian supply 150 to 300km deep while these Western tanks make local breakthroughs to be exploited by more common Ukrainian tanks behind them. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:44:23 AM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:48:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: A short while back there was a lot of talk of what the body count would be by Feb 24th. The agreed upon number was about 125,000. Looks like we are going to hit that number by Saturday. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:50:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: IIRC he said it was giving their positions away and getting people killed. If anyone got caught with NV on the front they were dealt with harshly. Maybe it was a localized thing or he was FOS, IDK. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By Veccio: I would guess it's probably simpler than that. Theft and robbery has been around for a long time, I'm sure good gear will get swiped super quick if even basic things like plates are getting snatched left and right. You have to be careful even with good passive night vision, because the output light can give away your positions if you aren't careful. I spent decades training with night vision systems and learning how the guys are supposed to use them correctly at night. There's a lot of little things to keep in mind to stay safe on a two way shooting range. You can never have enough training with these systems, and learning how to put them on in complete darkness and operate the controls by hand by memory is a big plus. This video gave a very basic introductory course to show you how proper light discipline was important.  INFANTRYMAN'S GUIDE: Basic Night Operations |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:56:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230127_082641_jpg-2686828.JPG They are really smashing Russian artillery systems as of late. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:03:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: That was a solid read. Thank you for posting it. I think Ukrainians are in a “learn or die” situation, and with that, are far more receptive to training. Being an excited soldier during peacetime and learning tanks and tactics is one thing, but having your life, and the lives of your kids, your home town, your country on the line, that is a whole differently motivator to soaking up knowledge and focus. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Brok3n: This Is What M1 Abrams Tanks Will Bring To The Fight In Ukraine Veteran Abrams tankers paint a picture of the great attributes and challenges M1s will bring to the fight. "One doesn't realize how intimidating the Abrams, especially a platoon plus together, is until it is deployed and unleashed." In addition, "it is relatively quiet with its 1,500hp turbine engine even in an urban environment," Albertson said. "There was one operation on June 1st, during Operation Smackdown in Al-Kufa, where our tanks led an attack (my tank in the lead) along with our cavalry scouts, and we came around the corner to the enemy controlled terrain and 20 fighters (most with RPGs) just stood there in shock as we rounded the corner. They didn't hear us moving through the city until it was too late and we were less than 100 yards away barreling down on their position." "You can assume what happened next." "We've all got to understand that the tank in and of itself is not a silver bullet," said Donahoe. "The tank is at the heart of the combined arms team. So that's a tank-infantry team at its nucleus. In the armored force, that's a tank and a mechanized infantry force." To succeed, it has to be part of a larger, combined arms effort that includes artillery, engineering, and intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance elements "that knit together the extreme lethality and ability of a modern armored brigade, armored division concept," Donahoe said. "And so when you look at what the Ukrainians are asking from us, they are asking to develop mechanized forces on the western model." To date, one of the key reasons Ukraine has regained so much of the territory it initially lost has been its ability to carry out these combined arms maneuvers while Russia has not been able to. Donahoe. "We'll have to then also figure out how do we provide them the fuel hauling and delivery capability that's gonna be required." The good news, said Donahoe, is that the Abrams gas turbine engines are designed to handle a wide variety of fuels, not just jet fuel. Diesel fuel and gasoline can both be used to power the tank. "There's an impact on fuel consumption rates. There's an impact on maintenance time including between failures. But you can fire up the Abrams on virtually any kind of fuel." "The M1 engine/ transmission is a complex machine that does not tolerate 'shade tree' mechanics. The engine/transmission - known as the Full Up Power Pack or FUPP - weighs in at 2,500lb and is difficult to remove and work on. US M1 tank mechanics are well trained and resourced with repair parts and specialized tools." Maintaining the Abrams' electronic systems, he added, is not a major concern. The main electronic systems on the tank are either extremely resilient or have redundancy of some sort, he said, with external communications systems being the notable exception. Training Ukrainians on how to confidently operate the tanks will also be key, said Albertson, the tank crew member who fought in Iraq.. The training for new U.S. Abrams tank crew members is now 22 weeks, where it used to be 17 weeks up until a few years ago, he said. "While the Ukrainian soldiers undoubtedly have combat experience, they likely lack experience maneuvering formations at the company plus level," he said referring to company-sized units and larger ones. "This experience is typically built in the U.S. at our maneuver centers like the National Training Center at Fort Irwin. Learning how to maneuver and fight as a formation requires multiple iterations." The bottom line, said the retired armor officer, is that the Abrams, once employed, "will have an immediate and overwhelming effect at the tactical/single battle level." But the "proof of their 'game-changing' ability will be in the employment of a combined-arms campaign." It is one thing, he said, to seize an objective "but a whole different kettle of fish to string together a campaign. The good news, is that with the 'rest of' NATO/Europe supporting the introduction of tanks, the Ukrainian forces will be able to develop a Ukraine-version of 'combined arms maneuver' that fits their problem set. One thing they have certainly demonstrated is the ability to rapidly adapt and incorporate capability solutions in a creative and effective manner." That was a solid read. Thank you for posting it. I think Ukrainians are in a “learn or die” situation, and with that, are far more receptive to training. Being an excited soldier during peacetime and learning tanks and tactics is one thing, but having your life, and the lives of your kids, your home town, your country on the line, that is a whole differently motivator to soaking up knowledge and focus. All of what you said, and remember, the Ukrainians aren't exactly starting from zero. They most likely have a pool of people to choose from with various extensive knowledge of Russian tanks and in using them already. Retraining guys like they did this past Spring from Russian artillery to NATO artillery happened quicker than first thought possible. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:14:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I may or may not have once gotten into trouble with Pittsburgh International airport many years ago for flying an aluminium box kite on the Penn State Beaver campus. We wanted to see how high the kite would go, so people kept getting string and we attached it and let the kite go higher with each set of string. It was eventually almost impossible to see, and then a police helicopter flew over the campus with a loudspeaker and said "Get that thing outta the sky!" Terrified and wide eyed, I just let go of the string. 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:16:11 AM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:17:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I may or may not have once gotten into trouble with Pittsburgh International airport many years ago for flying an aluminium box kite on the Penn State Beaver campus. We wanted to see how high the kite would go, so people kept getting string and we attached it and let the kite go higher with each set of string. It was eventually almost impossible to see, and then a police helicopter flew over the campus with a loudspeaker and said "Get that thing outta the sky!" Terrified and wide eyed, I just let go of the string. We didn't realize until after just how much we were messing up the air traffic controllers radar displays with what was a kite that was a bunch of corner reflectors.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:19:50 AM EST
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I recommend fire, and lots of it. 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:24:33 AM EST
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at 1 min in, the airbursting fuzes get used.
 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:28:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: It's very revealing that the second anybody questions the absolute fucking insanity of the West's conduct in this war; the rhetoric immediately ramps up. The amount of total bullshit in this thread has - impossibly - managed to get even worse. It's always the same. It's a moral war, blah blah blah, think of the children. It's a stupid fucking war being sold to you by the same mob that got Biden in, managed the covid 'crisis', and wants you to drive an electric car by 2030. Or else. That's nice dearie. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:30:59 AM EST
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ISW assessment for January 26th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-january-26-2023 |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:32:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: We knew…..Obama and Susan Rice should be held accountable. For far more than just this one situation. The Obama administration caused irreparable harm to this country and will never be held accountable. At least in my lifetime. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:32:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Interesting, I had thought ATACMS was the top of their list since basically forever. I'm sure they would still love to get them. But they may have some domestically produced options in the pipeline. And also, since Russia got so hammered by HIMARs, they have made some changes and adapted like not clustering all their resources in one place so the impact may not be as dramatic as with HIMARs. It's also likely that if the USA gives them ATACMs, the ROE will be so limited as to be almost useless: No targets in Russia, no RU Generals, no targets near civilians... |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:48:54 AM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:50:05 AM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:50:32 AM EST
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 Building a Kit Aircraft! |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:58:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: It's very revealing that the second anybody questions the absolute fucking insanity of the West's conduct in this war; the rhetoric immediately ramps up. The amount of total bullshit in this thread has - impossibly - managed to get even worse. It's always the same. It's a moral war, blah blah blah, think of the children. It's a stupid fucking war being sold to you by the same mob that got Biden in, managed the covid 'crisis', and wants you to drive an electric car by 2030. Or else. I'm confused by this and need clarification. "West's conduct"? Are you referring to how slow the West is providing aid to Ukraine? Or the fact that Western countries are providing aid at all? By "moral war" are you saying there are no "good guys" or "bad guys" in war in general or this conflict specifically? In your experience, are attackers always morally equal to those being attacked? A subway mugger is morally equal to some lady being robbed because she somehow provoked him? I know some people actually believe this. You? Do you believe in the concept of self defense in general? If you find self defense abhorrent in any circumstance, maybe that can explain where you are in this conflict. Are you concerned about Russia's "conduct of the war" or are they acting justified and rational in your eyes? Are you saying that the "West" is somehow controlling Russia and manipulating them into doing what they want? How? Explain. You are assuming we are consuming the same propaganda as you and know what you are talking about. If you really care about what we think, educate us. Explain where you are coming from. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:15:23 AM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:22:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: If Russia begins fielding US equipment on the battlefield against UKR, that’s going to be a terrible look for FJB. Everyone would get a reminder of his failure of leadership right ahead of the 2024 election. I would expect to see the quality of our equipment transfers increase to help UKR win faster. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/vladimir-putin-plots-to-seize-us-weapons-from-afghanistan/ar-AA16JmRL Vladimir Putin plots to seize US weapons from Afghanistan A Kremlin insider claims that the Russian despot is in negotiations with the Taliban to recognise the nation's government. In return, Putin wants US equipment snatched from Afghanistan by the Taliban to be handed over - according to Telegram channel General SVR - which claims to be fed information by a Kremlin insider. American troops withdrew from Afghanistan in 2021 as the Taliban surged across the nation and it is thought that fighters stole as many as half a million weapons and up to 50,000 vehicles. The General SVR channel claims: "Putin is overseeing negotiations with the Taliban to recognise the Taliban government. "In return, the Russian leadership is offering a major arms and military equipment swap. "Putin reported that the Taliban possess weapons and equipment including those seized after coming to power in Afghanistan, that are scarce for the Russian Army at the front. "People initiated into the details of the negotiations say that the Taliban are extremely surprised by such proposals, but they are discussing them in earnest.” If Russia begins fielding US equipment on the battlefield against UKR, that’s going to be a terrible look for FJB. Everyone would get a reminder of his failure of leadership right ahead of the 2024 election. I would expect to see the quality of our equipment transfers increase to help UKR win faster. Watching Ivan try to storm Bahkmut in Abrams and Bradleys, against Ukrainians with T-72s and BMPs…. I would have brain bleed. I don’t think I could handle BOTH sides switching from Russian armor and gear to US armor and gear. Especially with talks of how hard our armor is to maintain, and see Russia roll in with it, with zero maintenance abilities. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:48:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FndeVBKXoAAGV_b?format=jpg&name=medium I'd love to see a PT-91 in UA livery. Supposedly they've been there since July but there are more pictures of Bigfoot then UA PT-91s. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:55:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Watching Ivan try to storm Bahkmut in Abrams and Bradleys, against Ukrainians with T-72s and BMPs…. I would have brain bleed. I don’t think I could handle BOTH sides switching from Russian armor and gear to US armor and gear. Especially with talks of how hard our armor is to maintain, and see Russia roll in with it, with zero maintenance abilities. Since we didn't leave any Abrams or Brads in Afghanistan, I don't think you'll need to worry about it. Full list here. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:58:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: And I am now offically done with that idiot. Please, somebody in a smoky room somewhere, please rally behind someone to run against him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Originally Posted By sq40: This guy; https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/144748E8-EF88-451B-86DB-FE0A1D8D0AC2_jpe-2686068.JPG And I am now offically done with that idiot. Please, somebody in a smoky room somewhere, please rally behind someone to run against him. Has DeSantis put out his position on Ukraine? |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:02:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: ya, so easy. Russia can fuck off back to Russia. Notice he gives no options for ending the war. Fucking egotistical cunt. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By sq40: This guy; https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/144748E8-EF88-451B-86DB-FE0A1D8D0AC2_jpe-2686068.JPG Notice he gives no options for ending the war. Fucking egotistical cunt. This is probably why the libtards are giving his access to social media back. They are finally wising up….which sucks for us. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:03:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eat_Beef: Since we didn't leave any Abrams or Brads in Afghanistan, I don't think you'll need to worry about it. Full list here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eat_Beef: Originally Posted By sq40: Watching Ivan try to storm Bahkmut in Abrams and Bradleys, against Ukrainians with T-72s and BMPs…. I would have brain bleed. I don’t think I could handle BOTH sides switching from Russian armor and gear to US armor and gear. Especially with talks of how hard our armor is to maintain, and see Russia roll in with it, with zero maintenance abilities. Since we didn't leave any Abrams or Brads in Afghanistan, I don't think you'll need to worry about it. Full list here. Russian aligned forces willingly using Western equipment….even if superior….would kill their entire Arms Industry. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:04:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: It's an overall better quality conversation but not as active as this one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By fike: You aren’t missing much in the .mil thread. It's an overall better quality conversation but not as active as this one. How many pages is it? Lol |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:06:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: If Russia begins fielding US equipment on the battlefield against UKR, that’s going to be a terrible look for FJB. Everyone would get a reminder of his failure of leadership right ahead of the 2024 election. I would expect to see the quality of our equipment transfers increase to help UKR win faster. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/vladimir-putin-plots-to-seize-us-weapons-from-afghanistan/ar-AA16JmRL Vladimir Putin plots to seize US weapons from Afghanistan A Kremlin insider claims that the Russian despot is in negotiations with the Taliban to recognise the nation's government. In return, Putin wants US equipment snatched from Afghanistan by the Taliban to be handed over - according to Telegram channel General SVR - which claims to be fed information by a Kremlin insider. American troops withdrew from Afghanistan in 2021 as the Taliban surged across the nation and it is thought that fighters stole as many as half a million weapons and up to 50,000 vehicles. The General SVR channel claims: "Putin is overseeing negotiations with the Taliban to recognise the Taliban government. "In return, the Russian leadership is offering a major arms and military equipment swap. "Putin reported that the Taliban possess weapons and equipment including those seized after coming to power in Afghanistan, that are scarce for the Russian Army at the front. "People initiated into the details of the negotiations say that the Taliban are extremely surprised by such proposals, but they are discussing them in earnest.” If Russia begins fielding US equipment on the battlefield against UKR, that’s going to be a terrible look for FJB. Everyone would get a reminder of his failure of leadership right ahead of the 2024 election. I would expect to see the quality of our equipment transfers increase to help UKR win faster. Sounds like it's way past due for some precision strikes on some old equipment in Afghanistan |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:20:40 AM EST
[#37]
Divers claiming Spanish citizenship caught near Polish critical infrastructure, police believe their story and let them go and they promptly disappear.
 https://www.fakt.pl/wydarzenia/akcja-ratunkowa-na-baltyku-watpliwosci-co-do-nurkow-z-hiszpanii/kceg4tz |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:21:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: video from the Ukrainian 3rd force showing them hit a group of russian soldiers with a ATGM. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/D2B81D48-99F5-45D6-811C-53B35C0076AA-706.gif Without a reddit account change "www" to "old" to watch the video. NSFW. Damn, that was brutal. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:25:19 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile:
My vote.  Enemy at the gates |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:31:31 AM EST
[#40]
Today, in the Eastern direction, our units destroyed a Su-25 aircraft and a helicopter of an as yet unidentified type.
Over the past week, there has been a massive decrease in the number of enemy aircraft. This testifies to the high level of skill of our soldiers.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:38:52 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Funny how it's coinciding with the suddenly discovered Biden docs. Almost like the Dem establishment is trying to sour Biden's chances to run again so someone like Gavin Newsom can run in 2024 instead... The real question is are the GD NPCs going to receive an update?  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By johnh57: Originally Posted By ALostKey: Honest question. Has anyone noticed a shift in reporting on how it's going for the Ukrainians ? I've noticed more negative news lately. I've noticed that too. Seems like a bit less optimism 'out there' Funny how it's coinciding with the suddenly discovered Biden docs. Almost like the Dem establishment is trying to sour Biden's chances to run again so someone like Gavin Newsom can run in 2024 instead... The real question is are the GD NPCs going to receive an update? Might be an attempt to sabotage Biden…..though I think it’s a lot more about making sure Trump is still viable for the ‘24 Primaries as they calculate (most likely correctly) that they could run a newborn kitten against him and still win. They (and we) do have the problem that if Ukraine wins Biden is likely gonna be unbeatable in ‘24 as he’ll be able to run on forcing the Russians to eat a super-Vietnam shit sandwich. Even though Ukraine had to drag him kicking and screaming to Glory. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:49:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Sounds like it's way past due for some precision strikes on some old equipment in Afghanistan Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/vladimir-putin-plots-to-seize-us-weapons-from-afghanistan/ar-AA16JmRL Vladimir Putin plots to seize US weapons from Afghanistan A Kremlin insider claims that the Russian despot is in negotiations with the Taliban to recognise the nation's government. In return, Putin wants US equipment snatched from Afghanistan by the Taliban to be handed over - according to Telegram channel General SVR - which claims to be fed information by a Kremlin insider. American troops withdrew from Afghanistan in 2021 as the Taliban surged across the nation and it is thought that fighters stole as many as half a million weapons and up to 50,000 vehicles. The General SVR channel claims: "Putin is overseeing negotiations with the Taliban to recognise the Taliban government. "In return, the Russian leadership is offering a major arms and military equipment swap. "Putin reported that the Taliban possess weapons and equipment including those seized after coming to power in Afghanistan, that are scarce for the Russian Army at the front. "People initiated into the details of the negotiations say that the Taliban are extremely surprised by such proposals, but they are discussing them in earnest." If Russia begins fielding US equipment on the battlefield against UKR, that's going to be a terrible look for FJB. Everyone would get a reminder of his failure of leadership right ahead of the 2024 election. I would expect to see the quality of our equipment transfers increase to help UKR win faster. Sounds like it's way past due for some precision strikes on some old equipment in Afghanistan Don't worry. If all this recent ass kissing of Germany over Leopard tanks has taught us anything it's that countries of origin have control over equipment after they sell it. Certainly the Taliban will have to ask us for permission before they would transfer any of our old equipment... |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:49:32 AM EST
[#43]
Ombudsman Lubinets: There are 800 seriously wounded Ukrainian soldiers on the territory of the Russian Federation
Mobile operators of the Russian Federation do not plan to develop their own network in the occupied Luhansk region, only Russian passports are accepted at the metal plant in Alchevsk, the equipment of the cardboard and container plant in Rubizhny is dismantled and taken to Kuban. Workers appeared at the cardboard and container plant in Rubizhny. A mobile crane, forklifts, and several trucks arrived there recently. Three paper production units are being dismantled. This modern equipment is compact, easy to set up and use. According to employees, the equipment will go to Kuban, where there is a similar plant. The situation is similar to the one that happened in Severodonetsk, where all the equipment that survived on "Azot" is being taken away for disposal. National roaming of the Russian Federation is being established on the territory of the so-called "LNR". A number of company services became available to some users. However, that's the end of it for now. The construction of the networks of any of the Russian operators is currently not planned. https://t.me/luhanskaVTSA/8197  https://zona.media/chronicle/338#52241 |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:49:58 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By craig19: Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
My vote. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI-P4ILkZloI for one certainly hope he went out with a bang. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:52:32 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Maybe this or that official is in it for the ego trip. But I truly believe as I’ve stated before that the West is headfaking aid for reasons which aren’t immediately obvious. At some point I fully expect Biden to get up there and say “oh, did I say 30 M1s? I meant 200, sorry, just getting forgetful in my old age.” If you pay attention, this is happening repeatedly and indicates design. So, what could be the point? -conceal actual level and limits of support -suck Russia in further than if they had known the true potential level of NATO support earlier -possibly intended to prod/provoke Putin/Russia into spending yet more lives, equipment, and treasure when all signals are pointing to “cut your fucking losses.” In other words, stuff like this is the equivalent of teabagging. We’re basically laughing at Putin and telling him he’s our bitch. It’s a challenge that we hope Putin accepts. And of course, Putin will look weak internally if he doesn’t accept. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By Capta: Anyone want to debate on whether the US/NATO are deliberately yanking the Russian chain? I've come to the conclusion that everything is a game to the people involved and they love doing it. I think it was Kipling that called it "the great game." Being there, making high stakes decisions must make a person feel superior and important. Most of us wouldn't like being there. My conscience wouldn't let me. Maybe this or that official is in it for the ego trip. But I truly believe as I’ve stated before that the West is headfaking aid for reasons which aren’t immediately obvious. At some point I fully expect Biden to get up there and say “oh, did I say 30 M1s? I meant 200, sorry, just getting forgetful in my old age.” If you pay attention, this is happening repeatedly and indicates design. So, what could be the point? -conceal actual level and limits of support -suck Russia in further than if they had known the true potential level of NATO support earlier -possibly intended to prod/provoke Putin/Russia into spending yet more lives, equipment, and treasure when all signals are pointing to “cut your fucking losses.” In other words, stuff like this is the equivalent of teabagging. We’re basically laughing at Putin and telling him he’s our bitch. It’s a challenge that we hope Putin accepts. And of course, Putin will look weak internally if he doesn’t accept. I didn't mean to imply that the games don't work sometimes. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:03:54 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: I've come to the conclusion that everything is a game to the people involved and they love doing it. I think it was Kipling that called it "the great game." Being there, making high stakes decisions must make a person feel superior and important. Most of us wouldn't like being there. My conscience wouldn't let me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By Capta: Anyone want to debate on whether the US/NATO are deliberately yanking the Russian chain? I've come to the conclusion that everything is a game to the people involved and they love doing it. I think it was Kipling that called it "the great game." Being there, making high stakes decisions must make a person feel superior and important. Most of us wouldn't like being there. My conscience wouldn't let me. It ain’t pretty…. But it does keep things from getting out of hand when both sides abide by it. The Pacific War, the Eastern Front in WW2, the Yugoslav Civil War are what you get when one side decides to not “play the game”. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:04:04 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Stuck page bump This post needs more bikini turning girl. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:04:35 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: It's very revealing that the second anybody questions the absolute fucking insanity of the West's conduct in this war; the rhetoric immediately ramps up. The amount of total bullshit in this thread has - impossibly - managed to get even worse. It's always the same. It's a moral war, blah blah blah, think of the children. It's a stupid fucking war being sold to you by the same mob that got Biden in, managed the covid 'crisis', and wants you to drive an electric car by 2030. Or else. The irony of having your head up your butt and thinking you are the smart one. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:07:38 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: This post needs more bikini turning girl. That's actually a great idea.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:09:33 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, people don't know it's MIC. My first thought was if it can carry two Harpoon missiles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By Prime:
You guys...look closely, this is EXACTLY what the EEEVVILLL MIC looks like. Look at all those American designers, engineers, and welders....working! Not even flipping burgers, or writing code, but making stuff?? Terrible. We were probably going to close these yards down anyway (we don't need to know how to make such things, ew, icky and expensive), until that arch villain Zelensky gazed with those big puppy dog eyes of his, and asked for relatively small, relatively inexpensive weapons that the Ukrainians could use to do things like...defend their Black Sea coastline and rebuild their Navy. Just awful, awful stuff! I am sure IT WAS ALL KLAUS SCHWAB'S IDEA! We have to find out how the Big Guy gets his 10% from these nefarious shipyard workers! lol, people don't know it's MIC. My first thought was if it can carry two Harpoon missiles. Mine too! |
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