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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:10:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: video from the Ukrainian 3rd force showing them hit a group of russian soldiers with a ATGM. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/D2B81D48-99F5-45D6-811C-53B35C0076AA-706.gif Without a reddit account change "www" to "old" to watch the video. NSFW. One of the comments: Maybe the wind will blow them home now. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:14:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile:
At least, in the Russian army, you don't have to worry about being demoted. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:18:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: They are really smashing Russian artillery systems as of late. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230127_082641_jpg-2686828.JPG They are really smashing Russian artillery systems as of late. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:19:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: At least, in the Russian army, you don't have to worry about being demoted. Buried with honors in a ditch. 21 gun salute and only 5 negligent discharges. Much glorious |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:19:45 PM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:21:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FndeVBKXoAAGV_b?format=jpg&name=medium |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:23:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: God bless Poland. +1 |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:26:35 PM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:27:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: They are really smashing Russian artillery systems as of late. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230127_082641_jpg-2686828.JPG They are really smashing Russian artillery systems as of late. There was a tweet or set of tweets from a reliable Ukrainian source about 1-2 weeks ago, claiming there was a shitload of 155 ammo in the pipeline, and “in two weeks counterbattery will be hell on earth.” This would line up well with the extremely high KIA, light vehicle, and artillery kill tallies in the last week or so. Perhaps Ukraine is getting access to a lot of shells, and perhaps other unannounced aid is in the country, like modern counterbattery radars and some of the new SPAGs that were mentioned. I think it’s also a possibility that, with access to more shells and good counterbattery radar, and with Russian arty reportedly being low on shells, that the UA artillery is finally able to mass and deliver large-scale fires. Granted, we haven’t seen that on video, but counterbattery fire would likely occur beyond the range of typical commercial drone coverage. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:28:48 PM EST
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Russian artillery mildly inconveniences a snack.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:29:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Watching Ivan try to storm Bahkmut in Abrams and Bradleys, against Ukrainians with T-72s and BMPs…. I would have brain bleed. I imagine a lot of people would look like this: 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:32:17 PM EST
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A patriotic Ukrainian pup!
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:35:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Everyone seems to get excited over tank kills but the artillery kills make me happier. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230127_082641_jpg-2686828.JPG They are really smashing Russian artillery systems as of late. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:36:24 PM EST
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Ukrainian volunteers have acquired counter-UAV systems to protect energy facilities from Russian drone attacks. The Ministry of Digital Transformation announced the news on its social media. It is known that 6 counter-UAV systems have been purchased so far. According to the Ministry of Digital Transformation officials, these are the state-of-the-art defense technologies which protect strategic facilities of the US. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:36:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: There was a tweet or set of tweets from a reliable Ukrainian source about 1-2 weeks ago, claiming there was a shitload of 155 ammo in the pipeline, and “in two weeks counterbattery will be hell on earth.” This would line up well with the extremely high KIA, light vehicle, and artillery kill tallies in the last week or so. Perhaps Ukraine is getting access to a lot of shells, and perhaps other unannounced aid is in the country, like modern counterbattery radars and some of the new SPAGs that were mentioned. I think it’s also a possibility that, with access to more shells and good counterbattery radar, and with Russian arty reportedly being low on shells, that the UA artillery is finally able to mass and deliver large-scale fires. Granted, we haven’t seen that on video, but counterbattery fire would likely occur beyond the range of typical commercial drone coverage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230127_082641_jpg-2686828.JPG They are really smashing Russian artillery systems as of late. There was a tweet or set of tweets from a reliable Ukrainian source about 1-2 weeks ago, claiming there was a shitload of 155 ammo in the pipeline, and “in two weeks counterbattery will be hell on earth.” This would line up well with the extremely high KIA, light vehicle, and artillery kill tallies in the last week or so. Perhaps Ukraine is getting access to a lot of shells, and perhaps other unannounced aid is in the country, like modern counterbattery radars and some of the new SPAGs that were mentioned. I think it’s also a possibility that, with access to more shells and good counterbattery radar, and with Russian arty reportedly being low on shells, that the UA artillery is finally able to mass and deliver large-scale fires. Granted, we haven’t seen that on video, but counterbattery fire would likely occur beyond the range of typical commercial drone coverage. What everyone needs to remember is we have always had a media blackout on any troop and equipment movements. The Security Service is actively seeking out those that violate this, whether as a goof or active collaboration. There is a lot we don't talk about because it could be seen by the wrong eyes. Anything you are seeing is the little bits that slip out or are allowed to be released. The released numbers are showing that things are going well. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:47:16 PM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:49:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Does Mossad ever do side work? |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:50:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FndeVBKXoAAGV_b?format=jpg&name=medium 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:52:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: At least, in the Russian army, you don't have to worry about being demoted. Slipped on his tea. 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:53:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Hold on. It's important to mention WHO WAS IN CHARGE of Ukraine when Biden was doing that illegal business through his son! It's disingenuous at best to blame the current leadership of Ukraine for corrupt acts that occurred 2 administrations ago. That's like saying there's no difference between the Clinton administration and say... the Regan administration. Instead of invading, Russia would much rather manage it's bordering neighbors like it does Belarus. By having a paid for lackey like Lukashenko who takes marching orders from the Kremlin. Russia was doing same thing in Ukraine prior to Zelensky's election. No one should be commenting on this whole mess if they don't have a good enough grasp on recent history to remember that Russia poisoned the former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko when he was a candidate in 2004 in an attempt to control who ran the country. It led to the Orange Revolution in which the people of Ukraine pushed back against the influence and corruption that the Russians were creating. The people of Ukraine have demonstrated that they do not support government corruption. And guess who was in charge of Ukraine during the Obama administration when the Hunter bullshit was going on? You know, the same time when Obama was talking about "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after my reelection"? Viktor Yanukovych. He was the pro Russian candidate running for the presidency when Yushchenko was poisoned by the Russians. Do you get the picture yet? The Russians had their hand picked (and corrupt) guy installed. That's who Biden was getting business dealings done with through Hunter. Yanukovych the Russian stooge. Meaning it was actually RUSSIAN money flowing to members of the Obama administration. Hence Barry's promise of flexibility to the RUSSIANS!!! Zelensky's election was the decent Ukrainian people revolting against that Russian sponsored control and corruption. If that's not worth supporting nothing is. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:53:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Originally Posted By Chaingun: Poland should also send spare parts including spare crew Spare tank hull with engine, turret and gun. 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:54:36 PM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:55:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: @Auto5guy when you log back in you have a membership , great post . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: Hold on. It's important to mention WHO WAS IN CHARGE of Ukraine when Biden was doing that illegal business through his son! It's disingenuous at best to blame the current leadership of Ukraine for corrupt acts that occurred 2 administrations ago. That's like saying there's no difference between the Clinton administration and say... the Regan administration. Instead of invading, Russia would much rather manage it's bordering neighbors like it does Belarus. By having a paid for lackey like Lukashenko who takes marching orders from the Kremlin. Russia was doing same thing in Ukraine prior to Zelensky's election. No one should be commenting on this whole mess if they don't have a good enough grasp on recent history to remember that Russia poisoned the former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko when he was a candidate in 2004 in an attempt to control who ran the country. It led to the Orange Revolution in which the people of Ukraine pushed back against the influence and corruption that the Russians were creating. The people of Ukraine have demonstrated that they do not support government corruption. And guess who was in charge of Ukraine during the Obama administration when the Hunter bullshit was going on? You know, the same time when Obama was talking about "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after my reelection"? Viktor Yanukovych. He was the pro Russian candidate running for the presidency when Yushchenko was poisoned by the Russians. Do you get the picture yet? The Russians had their hand picked (and corrupt) guy installed. That's who Biden was getting business dealings done with through Hunter. Yanukovych the Russian stooge. Meaning it was actually RUSSIAN money flowing to members of the Obama administration. Hence Barry's promise of flexibility to the RUSSIANS!!! Zelensky's election was the decent Ukrainian people revolting against that Russian sponsored control and corruption. If that's not worth supporting nothing is. That's always awesome to witness.  |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:58:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Poland should also send spare parts including spare crew Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FndeVBKXoAAGV_b?format=jpg&name=medium There was a Russian source I posted yesterday where they imagined Polish tank crews using the M1 and Leopards in Ukraine. Poland is living rent free in the minds of fearful Russian tacticians. 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:59:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: I'm not sure if the extreme hang-up with DU is the DU itself (depleted uranium, oh my gosh, it will kill everyone because it is so hazardous!!!!!) or the fact that we absolutely don't want any of our DU based armor to end up in enemy hands so they can come up with ways to defeat or copy it. My guess is the latter is of much greater concern and the real reason why we won't export it. I think that's a fair point...but I know practically nothing of metallurgy, reverse-engineering stuff, etc... |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:00:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Video here.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:01:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: A patriotic Ukrainian pup!
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:01:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Might be an attempt to sabotage Biden…..though I think it’s a lot more about making sure Trump is still viable for the ‘24 Primaries as they calculate (most likely correctly) that they could run a newborn kitten against him and still win. They (and we) do have the problem that if Ukraine wins Biden is likely gonna be unbeatable in ‘24 as he’ll be able to run on forcing the Russians to eat a super-Vietnam shit sandwich. Even though Ukraine had to drag him kicking and screaming to Glory. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By johnh57: Originally Posted By ALostKey: Honest question. Has anyone noticed a shift in reporting on how it's going for the Ukrainians ? I've noticed more negative news lately. I've noticed that too. Seems like a bit less optimism 'out there' Funny how it's coinciding with the suddenly discovered Biden docs. Almost like the Dem establishment is trying to sour Biden's chances to run again so someone like Gavin Newsom can run in 2024 instead... The real question is are the GD NPCs going to receive an update?  Might be an attempt to sabotage Biden…..though I think it’s a lot more about making sure Trump is still viable for the ‘24 Primaries as they calculate (most likely correctly) that they could run a newborn kitten against him and still win. They (and we) do have the problem that if Ukraine wins Biden is likely gonna be unbeatable in ‘24 as he’ll be able to run on forcing the Russians to eat a super-Vietnam shit sandwich. Even though Ukraine had to drag him kicking and screaming to Glory. Meh, priority number one right now is pounding Russia flat. Priority number two is rebuilding important economic and defense capabilities NOW, and there are encouraging signs. Priority number three is pivoting to China. If this admin can enforce critical US interests internationally, I don’t care if Biden puts on clown makeup. Unfortunately it’s becoming clear that ***** may have fatally damaged the Republican Party. Until the conservative movement gets their house in order, they have as much blame as the lunatic left. All that said, with the pending, ah, diminishment of Russia, perhaps we as a nation find out that a lot of the extremism on both sides disappears because it was all being fueled by our old enemy. I’m willing to have an open mind about it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:02:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: @Auto5guy when you log back in you have a membership , great post . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: Hold on. It's important to mention WHO WAS IN CHARGE of Ukraine when Biden was doing that illegal business through his son! It's disingenuous at best to blame the current leadership of Ukraine for corrupt acts that occurred 2 administrations ago. That's like saying there's no difference between the Clinton administration and say... the Regan administration. Instead of invading, Russia would much rather manage it's bordering neighbors like it does Belarus. By having a paid for lackey like Lukashenko who takes marching orders from the Kremlin. Russia was doing same thing in Ukraine prior to Zelensky's election. No one should be commenting on this whole mess if they don't have a good enough grasp on recent history to remember that Russia poisoned the former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko when he was a candidate in 2004 in an attempt to control who ran the country. It led to the Orange Revolution in which the people of Ukraine pushed back against the influence and corruption that the Russians were creating. The people of Ukraine have demonstrated that they do not support government corruption. And guess who was in charge of Ukraine during the Obama administration when the Hunter bullshit was going on? You know, the same time when Obama was talking about "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after my reelection"? Viktor Yanukovych. He was the pro Russian candidate running for the presidency when Yushchenko was poisoned by the Russians. Do you get the picture yet? The Russians had their hand picked (and corrupt) guy installed. That's who Biden was getting business dealings done with through Hunter. Yanukovych the Russian stooge. Meaning it was actually RUSSIAN money flowing to members of the Obama administration. Hence Barry's promise of flexibility to the RUSSIANS!!! Zelensky's election was the decent Ukrainian people revolting against that Russian sponsored control and corruption. If that's not worth supporting nothing is.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:04:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I mean we're using them as target drones... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I mean we're using them as target drones... Really? I guess that means we finally used up all of the F-4 drones... 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:04:17 PM EST
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Video in tweet.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:09:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: The end up like the ammo pallet of frozen dog cutlets we found that I posted back in god knows. Horse soup, had it in France didn’t know until later foux de chavalier or something. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By ludder093:
That was terribl... ...ly funny! The end up like the ammo pallet of frozen dog cutlets we found that I posted back in god knows. Horse soup, had it in France didn’t know until later foux de chavalier or something. One of the first "new" words I learned when I came to my Ramstein AB assignment almost 20 years ago was "Pferdenfleisch." I never ran into it but apparently it was pretty common in the area back then. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:10:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Watch out on how you respond in other threads. The insult and divisive trolls are out in force on arf right now. They are trying to bait you into a coc violation. Don't take the bait. just let them show how they want to be deragatory and trollish. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:15:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: same here, i may bounce into a few threads but mainly just this one. One of the biggest problems with the general population is they dont know or didnt learn history or just lack the knowledge of what actually is truly happening with the bigger picture in Ukraine. most are narrow minded and stuck on the "10 percent for the big guy" bullshit and wont bend on it. alot of conservatives have been that way since 2016. I wont say the dudes name but some guy nicknamed ornage man ruined the conservative party, not really saying it was soley him, the democrats truly have been crooked MF'ers and made it hard to believe anything is real anymore when it comes to the GOvernment/media. But if a person has the knowledge and knows the history they can see past all the propaganda and truly understand this is a pivotal moment in our history. Not trying to single anyone out, but honestly from my perspective which is one of relative non maga allegiance yet also real skepticism towards never trumpets….you both suck and are just needlessly splitting the party up. It’s honestly been refreshing to see the House republicans stop this nonsense and work together recently with some balance to the two ideologies. There is no reason the conservative establishment cannot serve as a good moderating influence on the more fringe maga folks and the maga folks might help the establishment stop being complacent doormats sucking on the corrupt teat of DC. Stop bickering over the fringe and find common ground to crush destructive left wing policies and .gov corruption. FFS Tell them you disagree and move on. They will probably be more affected by that honestly. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:17:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Video in tweet.
I expect a LOT of the delay is all about Europeans not wanting to look like they have just declared war on Russia. This isn't a proxy war between U.S. and Russia. It is a proxy war between Europe and Russia. And the goal of U.S. leadership is not necessarily to to give Ukraine a win, the goal is to destroy the russian military. The more drawn out the war, the more russian stuff gets destroyed. I get the feeling the U.S. leadership sees this as the golden opportunity they couldn't have imagined. They don't want to allow the russians to escape. Just enough support to keep damaging them a little more and a little more and little more. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:18:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: The Rights estrangement with legacy media has lead it to get its world view from Alternative Media, the majority of which is estranged from reality. This would be a huge problem if legacy media was actually reality in the first place. Anyone relying on someone else to provide them their world view (outside of raw open source data) is merely just having preformed opinion pumped into their psyche. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:19:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Spare tank hull with engine, turret and gun. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Poland should also send spare parts including spare crew Spare tank hull with engine, turret and gun. Supply of engine oil, 60 quart, in container, 60 ton. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:21:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Waldo: Slipped on his tea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Waldo: Originally Posted By jungatheart: At least, in the Russian army, you don't have to worry about being demoted. Slipped on his tea.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:23:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: This post needs more bikini turning girl. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By ludder093: Stuck page bump This post needs more bikini turning girl. Must we wait until another ghost page occurs? Bikini girl should be like the daily double on Jeopardy; you never know when she'll show up. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:29:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: @Auto5guy when you log back in you have a membership , great post . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: Hold on. It's important to mention WHO WAS IN CHARGE of Ukraine when Biden was doing that illegal business through his son! It's disingenuous at best to blame the current leadership of Ukraine for corrupt acts that occurred 2 administrations ago. That's like saying there's no difference between the Clinton administration and say... the Regan administration. Instead of invading, Russia would much rather manage it's bordering neighbors like it does Belarus. By having a paid for lackey like Lukashenko who takes marching orders from the Kremlin. Russia was doing same thing in Ukraine prior to Zelensky's election. No one should be commenting on this whole mess if they don't have a good enough grasp on recent history to remember that Russia poisoned the former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko when he was a candidate in 2004 in an attempt to control who ran the country. It led to the Orange Revolution in which the people of Ukraine pushed back against the influence and corruption that the Russians were creating. The people of Ukraine have demonstrated that they do not support government corruption. And guess who was in charge of Ukraine during the Obama administration when the Hunter bullshit was going on? You know, the same time when Obama was talking about "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after my reelection"? Viktor Yanukovych. He was the pro Russian candidate running for the presidency when Yushchenko was poisoned by the Russians. Do you get the picture yet? The Russians had their hand picked (and corrupt) guy installed. That's who Biden was getting business dealings done with through Hunter. Yanukovych the Russian stooge. Meaning it was actually RUSSIAN money flowing to members of the Obama administration. Hence Barry's promise of flexibility to the RUSSIANS!!! Zelensky's election was the decent Ukrainian people revolting against that Russian sponsored control and corruption. If that's not worth supporting nothing is. Wow.... Thank you UKjohn. You are a gentleman. I am honored. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:41:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Russian aligned forces willingly using Western equipment….even if superior….would kill their entire Arms Industry. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: Originally Posted By sq40: Watching Ivan try to storm Bahkmut in Abrams and Bradleys, against Ukrainians with T-72s and BMPs…. I would have brain bleed. I don’t think I could handle BOTH sides switching from Russian armor and gear to US armor and gear. Especially with talks of how hard our armor is to maintain, and see Russia roll in with it, with zero maintenance abilities. Since we didn't leave any Abrams or Brads in Afghanistan, I don't think you'll need to worry about it. Full list here. Russian aligned forces willingly using Western equipment….even if superior….would kill their entire Arms Industry. Aren’t we already there? |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:41:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: man they are putting in work last week or so. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230127_082641_jpg-2686828.JPG I believe they have to, and take more loses in their attempt to shorten and conclude russia's invasion. This is because it's very likely there is a growing crescendo of negotiation by western Europe in diplomatic channels we're not hearing about. What we hear in the public channels is just the tip of the iceberg. The west's determination on what and when to deliver military weapons to Ukraine is largely based on defense industry marketshare, seeing what their tech does against opponents it was designed for, and eliminating most of russia's military capability, imo. Having Ukraine win by repelling the invaders doesn't seem like a priority to the west since the beginning. My benchmark on when the west prioritizes repelling invaders is when they start to take up air defense and SEAD over Ukraine. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:41:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Spare tank hull with engine, turret and gun. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Poland should also send spare parts including spare crew Spare tank hull with engine, turret and gun. Hell yeah! Gotta have the house to go with that door nob!
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:42:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I expect a LOT of the delay is all about Europeans not wanting to look like they have just declared war on Russia. This isn't a proxy war between U.S. and Russia. It is a proxy war between Europe and Russia. And the goal of U.S. leadership is not necessarily to to give Ukraine a win, the goal is to destroy the russian military. The more drawn out the war, the more russian stuff gets destroyed. I get the feeling the U.S. leadership sees this as the golden opportunity they couldn't have imagined. They don't want to allow the russians to escape. Just enough support to keep damaging them a little more and a little more and little more. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Video in tweet.
I expect a LOT of the delay is all about Europeans not wanting to look like they have just declared war on Russia. This isn't a proxy war between U.S. and Russia. It is a proxy war between Europe and Russia. And the goal of U.S. leadership is not necessarily to to give Ukraine a win, the goal is to destroy the russian military. The more drawn out the war, the more russian stuff gets destroyed. I get the feeling the U.S. leadership sees this as the golden opportunity they couldn't have imagined. They don't want to allow the russians to escape. Just enough support to keep damaging them a little more and a little more and little more. Been saying that for the whole thread. People tend to focus on the US because, well, we’re the US. But this war is not an existential one for the US. Yes it is in our national interests to act, but we could walk away and survive. The was IS existential for Europe. Europe can’t walk away and survive. People also still like to think that Europe is itching to sweep all this under the rug and go back on Russian gas. No. Russia directly threatened their peace, stability, prosperity, and socio-political order. Europe needs Russia ground into powder so that it never happens again. If Europe buys Russia gas, it will be because Russia is on its knees begging them. And don’t think this is heartless. The best possible outcome for Ukraine is for Russia to be absolutely smashed. If that takes 100,000 or 200,000KIA in a war of national survival, frankly it’s a cheap price to pay. Let Kyiv become the new capital of the slavic world. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:43:43 PM EST
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:46:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093:
How have I never seen that? 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:47:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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This happened faster than I anticipated.
Post from the Ukrainian govt was simply this:
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:49:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: The Russians are having filters for their optics and cameras that can detect active IR sources like the illuminators from cheap NVDs. Using any device with an active IR isn't smart IMO. Zenitco just posted this on YouTube: 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:54:13 PM EST
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[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Let Kyiv become the new capital of the slavic world. I like the way you think. Ukraine will generate the next 5 generations of Russian-hating "Hawks". CMOS  |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:55:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This happened faster than I anticipated.
Post from the Ukrainian govt was simply this:
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