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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:59:58 PM EST
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Any SME on Arty equipment that can give a basic rundown on how a burnt-out barrel is replaced?
Do they just break out the 5ft pipe wrench with a 20ft cheater bar and unscrew it? Basic googling just says it's not done in the field due to weight, but with a good shade tree and a chain hoist can it be done or is it special tooling required type stuff? |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:02:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waiting_to_croak: Any SME on Arty equipment that can give a basic rundown on how a burnt-out barrel is replaced? Do they just break out the 5ft pipe wrench with a 20ft cheater bar and unscrew it? Basic googling just says it's not done in the field due to weight, but with a good shade tree and a chain hoist can it be done or is it special tooling required type stuff? In short, it's a DEPOT Level replacement  When will this Russian Howitzer explode? (2A65 Msta-B Barrel life estimation from shell casings) |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:04:49 PM EST
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:08:19 PM EST
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So early today it's "Israel has helped more than publicly known", then tonight things in Iran start blowing up?
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:09:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:   Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Brok3n: It would be ironic if the attacks in Iran were being done by captured and reprogrammed Iranian drones 
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:10:54 PM EST
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:11:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: So early today it's "Israel has helped more than publicly known", then tonight things in Iran start blowing up? Ill allow it. Yea, this thread is great if your taking notes and following the clues.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:13:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: gentlemanfarmer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Barrel and muzzle device look like .50 Beowulf or something. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By craig19: The mag looks weird, its not a 5.45 AR, is it? Barrel and muzzle device look like .50 Beowulf or something. I’m wondering if it’s not a picture scaled or stretched. I’ve never seen an ar 5.45 there because until recently 5.45 was verboten outside military and steel core prohibited. So almost 99% of 5.45 ammo was illegal for civis. Could be weird Turkish shotgun thing. Probably 5.56 maybe 7.62x39?? Only 545 gun I ever held other than 74 in Ukraine was one of a very small number of tavors made with Forte. I have pics on my old MacBook circa 2009-10. It was a great full auto gun, mag only held like 26 rounds though. 545 being a pleasant cartridge. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:13:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:14:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Post your own caption: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40561/UKR_png-2689167.JPG 
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:16:45 PM EST
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:17:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Here's the big problem with Russia retreating behind a new iron curtain and going into isolation: they have a ton of resources that they can convert to a viable military force. Yes, sanctions hurt. But did sanctions prevent North Korea from getting the Bomb, and ballistic missiles? Russia already has the tech for nuclear weapons & ballistic missiles. If they go to a North Korea style militaristic society, and Putin seems to be moving that direction, they could have their entire population on quasi-war footing like North Korea's. That would make them a major threat to try this shit again down the road. How the post-Ukraine war plays out is a significant issue. Actually, R0N kept harping on "what about what comes next" and he's not wrong to bring that up. (He can be wrong about other things, though, like making fear of possible future outcomes outweigh what is right today. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Jack67: They really are down to one single pathway. - Attempt a last-ditch “Michael” style offensive this year with maximum manpower before the opportunity closes. - When that fails (or a future iteration of it),** withdraw and claim it was NATO. - Retreat into North Korea style hermit kingdom, behind their natural language and geographic barriers. - Wait for coup/revolution. The Russian elite have no conventional military way to win the war, and no genuinely realistic non-conventional options. The best out now is a loss that they can blame on others so as to make it politically acceptable to the non-elite, “mushroom” class of the citizenry (they keep them in the dark and feed them shit). Then they hunker down behind sanctions and appeal to nationalism and so-called existential threats in order to retain power (NK/hermit mode). Their language, geographic, and cultural barriers make this sustainable, as in Iran, North Korea, Burma, etc. This can go on quite a while until it implodes. Then, most likely, you wash/rinse/repeat with new nationalist saviors. ** - The mass offensive this year won’t win, but it might not result in a complete Ukrainian victory. Ukraine still needs time to build more forces and upgrade and mobilize them. It might take a second iteration of a mass offensive to break and collapse. Here's the big problem with Russia retreating behind a new iron curtain and going into isolation: they have a ton of resources that they can convert to a viable military force. Yes, sanctions hurt. But did sanctions prevent North Korea from getting the Bomb, and ballistic missiles? Russia already has the tech for nuclear weapons & ballistic missiles. If they go to a North Korea style militaristic society, and Putin seems to be moving that direction, they could have their entire population on quasi-war footing like North Korea's. That would make them a major threat to try this shit again down the road. How the post-Ukraine war plays out is a significant issue. Actually, R0N kept harping on "what about what comes next" and he's not wrong to bring that up. (He can be wrong about other things, though, like making fear of possible future outcomes outweigh what is right today. Assuming that Ukraine pushes Russia out of its territory, they will take any and all steps necessary to protect themselves from future Russian aggression. That probably means joining NATO and re-arming with nukes. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:17:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: sq40]
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Iran under attack thread, https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Iran-Under-Attack-/5-2619825/
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:20:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: gatetraveller]
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Thanks Gentlemanfarmer for the explanation on the quality of Ukrainian units and troops!
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:24:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Post your own caption: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40561/UKR_png-2689167.JPG Fucky fucky across the creek! |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:25:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: Saltwater-Hillbilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waiting_to_croak: Any SME on Arty equipment that can give a basic rundown on how a burnt-out barrel is replaced? Do they just break out the 5ft pipe wrench with a 20ft cheater bar and unscrew it? Basic googling just says it's not done in the field due to weight, but with a good shade tree and a chain hoist can it be done or is it special tooling required type stuff? It varies by system and whether it is a "modular" or "non-modular" design (usually determined by how much of the carriage has to be disassembled, among other factors). Imagine scaling up a rifle barrel change to where the 1-2 lb barrel weighs several tons and you can kind of get an idea as to the scope of the work
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:27:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAWpmK4WkAANVkV?format=png&name=large air defenses sounded east of Tehran behind the "Sorkheh Hesar" forest #الحدث
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:34:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Super stupid question for those that know: I was kinda surprised to see such smoke from the machine gun in the crew compartment. - Is this done on purpose, to not outgas immediately outside the vehicle? (like minimizing stuff that can give you away, or obscure optics? -obviously the maingun is intended for different, more distant targets but MG targets are closer and this little bit of smoke could mean something..maybe? ) - I imagine western tanks have some beefy hepa filtering going on for the crew? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Super stupid question for those that know: I was kinda surprised to see such smoke from the machine gun in the crew compartment. - Is this done on purpose, to not outgas immediately outside the vehicle? (like minimizing stuff that can give you away, or obscure optics? -obviously the maingun is intended for different, more distant targets but MG targets are closer and this little bit of smoke could mean something..maybe? ) - I imagine western tanks have some beefy hepa filtering going on for the crew? Cold temp, the 23mm and 30mm are very smoky and flashy compared to western ammo. Vintages might apply. Us stuff has flash retardant that is mildly toxic I forget what it is now. The 30mm 2axx whatever have two modes of fire one slow one high. When firing at high rates and in cold weather smoke does accumulate really bad. Fume extractors not as good on older stuff. We’re talking about 40 year old vehicles. A Bradley has a chain gun which fires slower with closed breech so more goes out barrel. Not sure if there’s other stuff but the newer BTRs have fume mitigation that’s better than the old soviet stuff. So older propellants, environmental, little bit of the guns actions, high rate of fire, and general disregard for crew comfort. Thought you were talking btr/bmp vs Bradley sorry not tanks. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:38:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Yes, QUALITY POST! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By Mickdog13: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: The F-16 is miles ahead of the MiG-29 in terms of BVR capabilities. Ukrainian MiG-29 fighters simply can't compete with Russian Flankers because they only have semi-active R27 radar guided missiles and less capable radars. Think of it as an old AIM-7 Sparrow. The Russians have the R77, which is an active missile that functions more like our AIM-120 AMRAAM. It outranges the R27. And unlike the R27, it doesn't require the firing aircraft to continuously keep the nose (radar) pointed toward the target to illuminate it for the missile. An active missile is a huge advantage, since the shooter can fire and then maneuver to gain better offensive or defensive angles. Everything from the F-16AM (MLU that puts it into roughly Block 40 category in terms of capabilities) on up are vastly better than any MiG-29 Ukraine possesses or might be able to obtain from Slovakia, Bulgaria or Poland. It has a much better radar allowing it to detect and track targets at greater range. And the AIM-120C is much more competitive against the R77. The AIM-120D out sticks and outclasses the R77. The MiG-29 is at a severe disadvantage against modern Flankers. It really isn't even competitive. It is a sitting duck. But an AMRAAM toting F-16 would be a much more difficult opponent for the Flankers, as some Indian Su-30 drivers found out a few years ago when they encountered some Pakistani F-16s. Though neither side scored any confirmed kills in the engagement, the Pakistani F-16s and their AMRAAM missiles (neither of which are the most current versions) controlled the initiative during the entire engagement and kept the Indian Flankers completely defensive. The F-16 is also vastly better at attacking ground targets. It can carry and employ pretty much everything in the inventory, which includes lots of precision munitions with stand-off capability. It can carry HARM to take out enemy radars and air defense systems. It can carry Mavericks to take out tanks and armored vehicles. It can carry JDAMs and various laser guided bombs. It can employ the JASSM cruise missile which can strike targets hundreds of miles away. It can carry and release the SDB which can glide many miles to strike its target. There are even wing kits to extend the range of JDAMs. Powered JDAMs are being developed. The Israelis also have the SPICE kits, which turns standard dumb bombs into stand-off, precision attack weapons. The F-16 will give the Ukrainians the ability to do things in the air to air and air to ground realms that they presently can only dream about. When combined with timely intelligence from nearby friendly NATO elements (satellite, AWACS, P-8, Global Hawk, RC-135, etc.) to help them see the big picture better, it will give Ukraine the decisive edge they need in air combat. And keep in mind that the F-16 is only about the 5th or 6th most capable fighter overall we have presently in service, behind the F-22, F-35, F-15C, F-15E/X and the F-18E/F. I think it says a lot when our 6th best platform can stand toe to toe with and probably be more effective than the very best fighter Russia has in operational service. This is the kind of post that makes me love arfcom. Thank you. Yes, QUALITY POST! Awesome post I learned something, knew Ukraine was vastly outgunned by Russian modernized stuff but not the performance against f16 Block 50. Sweden was talking about Gripens but no word there? Would they be a good plane (I know numbers are a problem) but Sweden Saab deserves a little slice of the UA pie. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:39:29 PM EST
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Grippen costs as much as F-35 though so that’s rough.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:42:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Why stop there...  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2023-01-28_19-51-37_jpg-2689141.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: This news out of Iran is extremely interesting. Glad to hear the Shithead drone factory got blasted during the festivities. Yep we just need Georgia to heat up a retake of their territories. Unfortunately they’ve got a Yanukovich in power there. Not looking good on that front. Why stop there... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2023-01-28_19-51-37_jpg-2689141.JPG Why stop there? Add Transnistria.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:46:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: From about 4 months ago. In short, it's a DEPOT Level replacement  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx5AKV9e8NMQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Originally Posted By waiting_to_croak: Any SME on Arty equipment that can give a basic rundown on how a burnt-out barrel is replaced? Do they just break out the 5ft pipe wrench with a 20ft cheater bar and unscrew it? Basic googling just says it's not done in the field due to weight, but with a good shade tree and a chain hoist can it be done or is it special tooling required type stuff? In short, it's a DEPOT Level replacement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx5AKV9e8NMI've not seen details, but surely Ukraine has had to replace barrels on the triple 7s by now. I suspect the lead time on fabricating replacement tubes is fairly long and the production rate fairly low. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:51:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 3 hrs ago, HIMARS strike on troop train.
Welcome to the wheat fields motherfuckers! |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:53:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: gentlemanfarmer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Yeah, that’s good stuff from gentlemanfarmer. People forget they have been at this since 2014. In a lot of ways 2022+ is “make-see” war, but the core competence is there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Yeah, that’s good stuff from gentlemanfarmer. People forget they have been at this since 2014. In a lot of ways 2022+ is “make-see” war, but the core competence is there. A friend of mine and my wife, I will post a video interview with several guys at some point, had 374 missions against Russian and proxy/chechian LNR DNR Sparta GRU, Alpha, VDV and their kill/wound/capture is close to thousands were talking a small elite SSO unit in 8 years. Lost 5 I think. All have been shot or hurt severely by our accounts but it’s just a scratch. Be nice to think they didn’t have some elite embed stuff too with NATO. He literally says he’s not needed for combat because so many are qualed up. Qualed up means training plus positive missions and a high success bar. When the balloon went up everyone with SF or war experience went to the line. Sf guys just hopped back on board after 3-4 weeks. The SSO has an absurd number now from 8 years of guys plus the last 20 years of guys. Also lot of retired spetznaz guys tasked to lead other small non SSO teams. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:56:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 3 hrs ago, HIMARS strike on troop train.
"Sunflower Express" |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:57:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Post your own caption: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40561/UKR_png-2689167.JPG |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:02:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I've not seen details, but surely Ukraine has had to replace barrels on the triple 7s by now. I suspect the lead time on fabricating replacement tubes is fairly long and the production rate fairly low. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: Originally Posted By waiting_to_croak: Any SME on Arty equipment that can give a basic rundown on how a burnt-out barrel is replaced? Do they just break out the 5ft pipe wrench with a 20ft cheater bar and unscrew it? Basic googling just says it's not done in the field due to weight, but with a good shade tree and a chain hoist can it be done or is it special tooling required type stuff? In short, it's a DEPOT Level replacement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx5AKV9e8NMI've not seen details, but surely Ukraine has had to replace barrels on the triple 7s by now. I suspect the lead time on fabricating replacement tubes is fairly long and the production rate fairly low. We might be replacing piece for piece due to warranty issues. I mean would you pay for something that stopped working after 4 months 😀 |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:02:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I've not seen details, but surely Ukraine has had to replace barrels on the triple 7s by now. I suspect the lead time on fabricating replacement tubes is fairly long and the production rate fairly low. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: Originally Posted By waiting_to_croak: Any SME on Arty equipment that can give a basic rundown on how a burnt-out barrel is replaced? Do they just break out the 5ft pipe wrench with a 20ft cheater bar and unscrew it? Basic googling just says it's not done in the field due to weight, but with a good shade tree and a chain hoist can it be done or is it special tooling required type stuff? In short, it's a DEPOT Level replacement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx5AKV9e8NMI've not seen details, but surely Ukraine has had to replace barrels on the triple 7s by now. I suspect the lead time on fabricating replacement tubes is fairly long and the production rate fairly low. Yea, there's been some setups in Poland that replaced M777 barrels for the Ukrainians. Plus there's some stockpile of extra barrels, some were given by Canada. https://tvpworld.com/64746995/pentagon-sets-up-repair-facility-for-ukrainian-artillery-in-poland-report The Pentagon has set up a repair facility to help Ukrainians replace barrels of their Western-made howitzers which suffer from wear and tear due to extensive use, the New York Times has reported. In its Friday report, the US newspaper wrote that a howitzer's barrel may be 20 feet long and weigh thousands of pounds, which makes its replacement close to impossible on the battlefield. Such replacements have become “a priority for the Pentagon’s European Command, which has set up a repair facility in Poland,” the New York Times wrote. “Ukrainian troops fire thousands of explosive shells at Russian targets every day, using high-tech cannons supplied by the United States and its allies ,” the newspaper said. “But those weapons are burning out after months of overuse, or being damaged or destroyed in combat, and dozens have been taken off the battlefield for repairs, according to U.S. and Ukrainian officials.” According to U.S. defence officials, close to 350 howitzers supplied to Kyiv are out of action at any given time. The effort to repair the weapons in Poland began in recent months. The condition of Ukraine’s weapons is closely monitored by U.S. military officials. Once the damaged howitzers arrive in Poland, maintenance crews can change out the barrels and make other repairs. The work on the howitzers is overseen by the U.S. European Command in Stuttgart, Germany, but may soon be handed over to a new command that will focus on training and equipping Ukrainian troops. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:02:19 PM EST
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 “Made in Ukraine”  RU TG- The Ukrainian army began to use 203-mm concrete-piercing shells 53-G-620Sh for firing from their 203-mm self-propelled guns 2S7 "Pion" / 2S7M "Malka". The peculiarity is that these shells were originally intended for firing from B-4 and B-4M high-power 203-mm howitzers, known for their work on the streets of Berlin in the spring of 1945. This may indicate that the reserves of 203-mm ammunition in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gradually coming to an end, and since there is simply nowhere to replenish them, the Ukrainian Peonies will soon completely sink into oblivion and will be replaced by Western guns. https://t.me/milinfolive/96183    |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:06:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Yuri I told you full send wouldn't work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: Post your own caption: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40561/UKR_png-2689167.JPG O' tank of the lake, what is the meaning of life? |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:08:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnmOTbtWQAEXawj?format=jpg&name=large “Made in Ukraine” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/15DFDC3D-8696-451E-9CB6-0ED067A67298-2689241.jpg RU TG- The Ukrainian army began to use 203-mm concrete-piercing shells 53-G-620Sh for firing from their 203-mm self-propelled guns 2S7 "Pion" / 2S7M "Malka". The peculiarity is that these shells were originally intended for firing from B-4 and B-4M high-power 203-mm howitzers, known for their work on the streets of Berlin in the spring of 1945. This may indicate that the reserves of 203-mm ammunition in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gradually coming to an end, and since there is simply nowhere to replenish them, the Ukrainian Peonies will soon completely sink into oblivion and will be replaced by Western guns. https://t.me/milinfolive/96183 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/889907CC-6C5B-4513-84F3-A98F712747DB-2689253.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/DE27F3C0-03C1-4928-B278-32E2FD8560B6-2689252.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/0F50E7E5-1F17-4966-998A-DE4FB025C249-2689251.jpg Artillery shells and other things are in production assembly there but not enough in my opinion. Eastern Europe gets most of $$$ for that but it’s happening. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:08:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: gentlemanfarmer]
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Also some vogs have been found somewhere Bulgaria or something but only a little. My statement that they go way of dodo stands but caveat with someone dug some up for the short term.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:11:46 PM EST
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Israel has decided to kick the shit out of Iran over the bombing... |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:13:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Post your own caption: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40561/UKR_png-2689167.JPG Does anybody have shovel? |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:15:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By craig19: https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-soldiers-bring-weapons-home-185926967.html So, you release prisoners to fight your war, then you are surprised when they break your laws?  Nobody should be surprised by this. The soviet system and culture was full of corruption. Theft was not as bad as we think it is. That culture has not just disappeared. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:17:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: gentlemanfarmer]
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My dream has always been to mount a hydra 82mm auto mortars on a stretched T80 chassis. Stabilize and automate it. And add a crows 40mm or 14.5mm to the front and lots of armor. Using the 203 chassis was my base. Sort of a bmp terminator infantry fighting vehicle for mout assault. The 82mm machine gun mortars are cool.
Alas another dodo due to ammo depletion. But having a modern round for the auto 82 (room for 6 dismounts) and a heavy crows turret. Man the Israelis have a heavy apc but no assault mortar machine gun. Azov did an assault vehicle in Kiev. Basically an uparmored streched t80 with Two heavy mg mounts and added 6” or armor 360•. I asked what happened to it? I suspect Biltesky has it in his garage. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:18:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: FIFY and fuck ruSSia Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Nothing says "World Superpower" like building your domestic cars with 1960s and earlier analog technology. Short history of the Soviet/Russian Auto Industry: 1920's: Invite Ford and other manufacturers in to build factories. Kick them out. Put the 100's of Americans who moved to ruSSia to work there into the Gulag and kill them all, accusing them of being spies for the imperialist pigs. Product devolves into low-quality "Monkey-models" of the original. 1940's: Import trucks and tooling from the West and proceed to copy. Seize entire factories from Germany, along with auto engineers. Build cars incorporating the latest German, British and US tech. Work the engineers to death or release them back to Germany when they are of no further use. Product devolves into low-quality "Monkey-models" based on foreign designs. 1960's: Buy entire turn-key auto plants from the French and Italians. Refuse to upgrade and, over time, incorporate truck and tractor components to deal with "Russian Roads" instead of investing in macadam and asphalt. Product devolves into low-quality "Monkey-models" of the original. 1980's: Bring in Foreign (Western and Japanese) experts to modernize the automotive sectors. Buy and import (legally and illicitly) the most modern machinery practicable. Design innovative automobiles well within the capability of the Soviet Automotive industry to build in large numbers. Build few if any of the "new" designs and instead churn out even lower-quality versions of the "Monkey-models" based on 1960's/early 1970's western models but add square headlights and a few 1960's-era Volkswagen-type "creature-comforts" that just reinforce how outdated the basic design actually is. 2000's: Invite foreign manufactures to partially or completely take over portions of the industry. Russian auto industry becomes state-of the-art. Begin to punish the foreigners through corruption and tax policy for the crime of employing Russians, selling cars that Russians want, and making a profit doing so. Production of auto components starts to ramp down in Russia, as companies seek to reduce their vulnerability to corruption, non-transparent taxation, increasing government hostility/indifference, sanctions, and deteriorating Russian relations with the West. In 2022 Ukraine II kicks off, Foreign companies give up and pull the plug. so the Russians step up to the plate with low-quality "Monkey-models" of the original. What we in most of the rest of the world see as "Failure", the Russians see as "Tradition"! FIFY and fuck ruSSia Thanks for the assist. I was trying to keep it brief. Needless to say, dealing with Stalin and the Russians was one of the things that turned Henry Ford from "a hard-headed optimist" along the lines of an Elon Musk who thought he could change the world to a cynical reactionary who despised Communism and all things that even vaguely resembled Communism (to include Unions). |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:19:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Post your own caption: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40561/UKR_png-2689167.JPG "Well, shit..." (No need to overthink it. )
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:20:11 PM EST
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The Iranian Ministry of Defense issued a statement regarding the incident in Isfahan and confirmed the attack using a UAV.
“Today at 23:30 there was an unsuccessful attack using a UAV on one of the workshop complexes of the Ministry of Defense in Isfahan. One drone was shot down by anti-aircraft fire, while two others fell on the roof of the building. Fortunately, there are no casualties. Only minor damage was caused to the roof of the workshop. The equipment is intact. The Ministry of Defense and Support of the Armed Forces assures that it will continue its security activities and these provocations will not affect the life of the country.” https://t.me/milinfolive/96188 It is reported that Iranian Air Force fighter jets were seen in the sky over Tehran. https://t.me/milinfolive/96189  |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:20:24 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Why stop there? Add Transnistria. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: This news out of Iran is extremely interesting. Glad to hear the Shithead drone factory got blasted during the festivities. Yep we just need Georgia to heat up a retake of their territories. Unfortunately they’ve got a Yanukovich in power there. Not looking good on that front. Why stop there... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2023-01-28_19-51-37_jpg-2689141.JPG Why stop there? Add Transnistria.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:20:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: THOT_Vaccine]
[#41]
Khoy was a big one Residents are saying it was like an earthquake -edit- Apparently not "like" an earthquake... USGS says it was a 5.9 earthquake Also, reports of an Ozone like smell and people fainting in the city of Khoy |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:21:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Yuri I told you full send wouldn't work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: Post your own caption: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40561/UKR_png-2689167.JPG He went to the Jezza School Of More Power. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:24:34 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Post your own caption: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40561/UKR_png-2689167.JPG 
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:27:10 PM EST
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:31:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak: Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: Post your own caption: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40561/UKR_png-2689167.JPG https://imgur.com/z0BXRpP.jpg 
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:31:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: gentlemanfarmer]
[#46]
Found proto Azov vehicle before guns were mounted but yes it had multiple turrets one 30mm on 14.5 plus a rear 12.7. Dismounts for 6. 1.4m of armor!!! Plus knife reactive blocks.
 Attached FileSecond prototype is based on Nona mortar but not sure how many were deployed. Need to ask because they did see use in Kharkiv  Attached FilePoint here is we could probably help them build hundreds of these if we were trying. Easier to pay workers than refugees. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:36:31 PM EST
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So is ua starting to lose this thing?
Concerning considering they're now getting f16 and m1. Hopefully the Comme orc toilet brains aren't going to. Wear them down |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:38:15 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Khoy was a big one Residents are saying it was like an earthquake -edit- Apparently not "like" an earthquake... USGS says it was a 5.9 earthquake Also, reports of an Ozone like smell and people fainting in the city of Khoy That can be a very, very bad thing. Is there a reactor there? |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:39:40 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: So is ua starting to lose this thing? Concerning considering they're now getting f16 and m1. Hopefully the Comme orc toilet brains aren't going to. Wear them down It's a war. There will be losses and gains amidst the overall picture. I believe the expectation is that the line would stagnate over the winter months in the context of the ground conditions. As far as I know, that's why talks of major offensives are timelined to spring time versus now. Russia is just seizing some gains and capitalizing on initiative in some areas. It is bound to happen. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 9:40:17 PM EST
[#50]
Haven’t kept up with it but my sister in law wanted to get some radios because she thinks WWIII is about to happen.
What’s the score and chances of everything going to hell now that potato is sending more shit over there and Israel is bombing Iran? |
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