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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:15:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fixin2: Take the gloves off and give them F-35As. Like taking the cap off a bottle of whiskey and throwing it away. Go full on ape shit on Russia. 
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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:16:52 PM EST
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Meanwhile, in Poland...
A former NATO general pledging unwavering support for Ukraine will become the next Czech president after securing a convincing victory over a combative former billionaire prime minister. Petr Pavel, who once served as NATO’s highest-ranking military officer, declared victory after winning 57.9% with 98% of polling districts counted, according to data published by the Czech Statistics Office. Andrej Babis, a chemicals, farming and media magnate known for his clashes with the European Union, had 42.1%... ...Pavel will succeed President Milos Zeman, a polarizing figure who antagonized EU allies with support for Vladimir Putin — until he invaded Ukraine — and China... Arcamax source |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:17:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: GTLandser]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Super stupid question for those that know: I was kinda surprised to see such smoke from the machine gun in the crew compartment. - Is this done on purpose, to not outgas immediately outside the vehicle? (like minimizing stuff that can give you away, or obscure optics? -obviously the maingun is intended for different, more distant targets but MG targets are closer and this little bit of smoke could mean something..maybe? ) - I imagine western tanks have some beefy hepa filtering going on for the crew? The main gun is vented due to the bore evacuator (that thicker part of the barrel, what you are looking at is actually a shroud). It works like a venturi (I think?) and the pressure difference sucks out the gasses. It doesn't require any power to operate. The NBC system of the tank, and IIRC a powered fan located somewhere, keeps the crew compartment at positive pressure, also forcing the gases out (when hatches are closed, and the fan is a less effective backup). Optics/sight obscuration is most significant from the main gun, and any dust or debris kicked up. It is not a significant factor for the coax MG. ETA: for the M1; for the Leopard 1A5 I don't know any better than what we can all see on video.  I will say it makes a fair bit more sense to me to have the coax on the left side of the gun where the loaded can troubleshoot, rather than right next to the gunner's head and with the ammo belt fed over the top of the breech like on the M1. But the M1 coax ready ammo box is freaking huge, too.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:18:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: A good listen. The video isn't important as the audio so it does well for background listening.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9dZpbKTLJ0lLazerPig is a national treasure ( iirc he's in Spain now, originally British ) |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:21:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: I voted for Trump twice. We all need to be done with him now. Would love to hear DeSantis’ position on Ukraine and support. Ditto. The guy just can't stop running his mouth. I'm sick to my stomach that the permanent state denied him a second term, but we need someone to carry on the fight who isn't so great at self-sabotage.  Anyway, back to Ukraine. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:25:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: That was my first thought when I saw it, it looked like 450 bushmaster or some other larger caliber like a .50 something. Yeah. But to me the magazine looks like it would not hold anything as long as .556 or any of the other rounds that go into a magazine of that length. Maybe it's just the angle or something. Looks weird. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:29:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: WaPo did a nice little piece on Russian POWs held in Ukraine. This is our reserve fund. They even asked the neighbors if they knew what was going on in that place. "Of course we do!" They are being treated humanely, as they should be. And hopefully they will go back home and tell others what they experienced, and some attitudes will change. But if any of them come back to Ukraine, they will get what they deserve. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:34:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: I am wondering what the plan is for Russia right now. They are all in and still can't show any sizable gains. Their meat wasting attacks haven't really paid off. They are obviously down on shells whether they are conserving some for summer or what they aren't shooting as much as they have. The west on the other hand is not even close to all in. We stepped it up a little with older tanks, some bradleys smart munitions and maybe going to send some f16's at some point. But the veil is off and we can just keep ramping up where needed. Wagner has been pretty much handled as well. Only thing left is to push their shit in once the offensives start. Its obviously not going to be a cake walk and russia doesn't care if they just continually send meat. But right now there has to be some serious conversations happening. These latest attacks that end with multiple apcs and tanks ablaze seem to me their best attempts at trying to make a breakthrough but they are just getting countered badly. These last weeks of just fields of dead can't be spun easily. They are going to have to make some sort of tactics change. But their options are getting less and less as better air defense stands up. Its going to get increasingly hard for them now. It's very simple: they don't show pictures or videos of those kinds of losses on TV, and Russian mil and civil authorities at every level know to threaten and intimidate anyone who might have any direct knowledge of how badly things are (wounded, families of KIA) , whether they receive explicit instructions or not. "Shut the fuck and stop asking questions or we're going to make life difficult for you" has been the rule of the day for Russians for hundreds of years. That's what makes society in a dictatorship "brittle"; they are very hard until they crack. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:39:39 PM EST
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From RU TG, and…AT…be merciful.
Doppler proximity fuse from a GMRLS munition fired from a HIMARS or M270 launcher and shot down over Donetsk. To determine when the missile is at the right height relative to the target, it uses the so-called. "Frequency-modulating continuous wave-guided Doppler explosion height sensor". This radar sends out a variable frequency signal that bounces off the ground to indicate altitude and speed. Photo: @WarInMyEyes @milinfolive        |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:41:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: lLazerPig is a national treasure ( iirc he's in Spain now, originally British ) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: Originally Posted By m35ben: A good listen. The video isn't important as the audio so it does well for background listening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9dZpbKTLJ0lLazerPig is a national treasure ( iirc he's in Spain now, originally British ) Absolutely agree. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 5:44:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: It's very simple: they don't show pictures or videos of those kinds of losses on TV, and Russian mil and civil authorities at every level know to threaten and intimidate anyone who might have any direct knowledge of how badly things are (wounded, families of KIA) , whether they receive explicit instructions or not. "Shut the fuck and stop asking questions or we're going to make life difficult for you" has been the rule of the day for Russians for hundreds of years. That's what makes society in a dictatorship "brittle"; they are very hard until they crack. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By theskuh: I am wondering what the plan is for Russia right now. They are all in and still can't show any sizable gains. Their meat wasting attacks haven't really paid off. They are obviously down on shells whether they are conserving some for summer or what they aren't shooting as much as they have. The west on the other hand is not even close to all in. We stepped it up a little with older tanks, some bradleys smart munitions and maybe going to send some f16's at some point. But the veil is off and we can just keep ramping up where needed. Wagner has been pretty much handled as well. Only thing left is to push their shit in once the offensives start. Its obviously not going to be a cake walk and russia doesn't care if they just continually send meat. But right now there has to be some serious conversations happening. These latest attacks that end with multiple apcs and tanks ablaze seem to me their best attempts at trying to make a breakthrough but they are just getting countered badly. These last weeks of just fields of dead can't be spun easily. They are going to have to make some sort of tactics change. But their options are getting less and less as better air defense stands up. Its going to get increasingly hard for them now. It's very simple: they don't show pictures or videos of those kinds of losses on TV, and Russian mil and civil authorities at every level know to threaten and intimidate anyone who might have any direct knowledge of how badly things are (wounded, families of KIA) , whether they receive explicit instructions or not. "Shut the fuck and stop asking questions or we're going to make life difficult for you" has been the rule of the day for Russians for hundreds of years. That's what makes society in a dictatorship "brittle"; they are very hard until they crack. To expand upon this a bit further: If you listen to some of the intercepted phone calls and some of the interviews with Russians on the street, lots of them seem to know that what they're hearing on state TV is BS. My suspicion is that Russians have lived in an environment of draconian information control and state-sponsored lies for so long that they just assume that it's normal, because they haven't experienced anything else. They never liberalized like Western Europe did, which plays a very big role in why Russian government and political culture is largely incomprehensible to westerners. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:11:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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This might slow down Iranian military supplies to Russia, they are busy exploding tonight.
lol, but then...
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:16:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This might slow down Iranian military supplies to Russia, they are busy exploding tonight.
lol, but then...
::Israeli whistling:: |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:16:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This might slow down Iranian military supplies to Russia, they are busy exploding tonight.
lol, but then...
Iran just had a 5.9M, but that shouldn't do it. Azerbaijan is evacuating its embassy in Tehran. Judging by the personnel, the employees of the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry intend to completely evacuate their embassy in Tehran. For this, a cargo plane went to Tehran The evacuation is reportedly linked to the attack on the embassy.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:19:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: ::Israeli whistling:: 
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:24:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This might slow down Iranian military supplies to Russia, they are busy exploding tonight.
lol, but then...
Damn smokers again. 
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:25:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: I am wondering what the plan is for Russia right now. They are all in and still can't show any sizable gains. Their meat wasting attacks haven't really paid off. They are obviously down on shells whether they are conserving some for summer or what they aren't shooting as much as they have. …. They really are down to one single pathway. - Attempt a last-ditch “Michael” style offensive this year with maximum manpower before the opportunity closes. - When that fails (or a future iteration of it),** withdraw and claim it was NATO. - Retreat into North Korea style hermit kingdom, behind their natural language and geographic barriers. - Wait for coup/revolution. The Russian elite have no conventional military way to win the war, and no genuinely realistic non-conventional options. The best out now is a loss that they can blame on others so as to make it politically acceptable to the non-elite, “mushroom” class of the citizenry (they keep them in the dark and feed them shit). Then they hunker down behind sanctions and appeal to nationalism and so-called existential threats in order to retain power (NK/hermit mode). Their language, geographic, and cultural barriers make this sustainable, as in Iran, North Korea, Burma, etc. This can go on quite a while until it implodes. Then, most likely, you wash/rinse/repeat with new nationalist saviors. ** - The mass offensive this year won’t win, but it might not result in a complete Ukrainian victory. Ukraine still needs time to build more forces and upgrade and mobilize them. It might take a second iteration of a mass offensive to break and collapse. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:26:09 PM EST
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14% of Iranians are smokers so not surprising.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:32:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Iranian jets scrambling currently but still exploding.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:33:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Israeli jets reportedly hit at least one target in Syria. Usually reliable Israeli journo, also reported from Syrian sources. She also notes in other tweets, she is getting “thank you” emails from Iranian protestors - who interpret the domestic attacks as helpful to them.
Some background from recent Israeli news if you haven’t followed: The last several days have been tense with Hamas. Israel took out an underground missile factory a few days ago in the West Bank. Hamas retaliated with suicide strikes, hitting a restaurant and also a synagogue, killing about 15 (including one Ukrainian refugee). They did these attacks on Holocaust Remembrance Day, to top it off. This may be payback for that as well as aid for the protestors - crackdowns have ratcheted up in the very recent past. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:37:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: They are being treated humanely, as they should be. And hopefully they will go back home and tell others what they experienced, and some attitudes will change. But if any of them come back to Ukraine, they will get what they deserve. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: WaPo did a nice little piece on Russian POWs held in Ukraine. This is our reserve fund. They even asked the neighbors if they knew what was going on in that place. "Of course we do!" They are being treated humanely, as they should be. And hopefully they will go back home and tell others what they experienced, and some attitudes will change. But if any of them come back to Ukraine, they will get what they deserve. They quoted one guy saying he basically volunteered because of the propaganda, and changed his tune when he got to Ukraine and saw how things really are. I agree, I hope they go back to Russia and spread the word - Ukraine is their own country, and they should have the same self-determination as any other country. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:37:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Ditto. The guy just can't stop running his mouth. I'm sick to my stomach that the permanent state denied him a second term, but we need someone to carry on the fight who isn't so great at self-sabotage. Anyway, back to Ukraine. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:40:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: I voted for Trump twice. We all need to be done with him now. Would love to hear DeSantis' position on Ukraine and support. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:44:31 PM EST
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lol.
3min ago.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:45:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: As little military as the Baltics have, that invasion scenario could still potentially be rolled out by Russia. It would be colossally stupid by Russia, but they could probably do it. Why does Putin seek to provoke others?  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSW0HHF2amARussian propaganda in Latvia. There's a little clip of Russian news showing how they could invade the Baltics.  As little military as the Baltics have, that invasion scenario could still potentially be rolled out by Russia. It would be colossally stupid by Russia, but they could probably do it. Why does Putin seek to provoke others? Winged Hussars, F16s A10s, US/UK ground forces and BUFFs would quickly make whatever the Vatniks are facing in Ukraine look like a slightly unpleasant camping trip in comparison. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:46:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: They really are down to one single pathway. - Attempt a last-ditch “Michael” style offensive this year with maximum manpower before the opportunity closes. - When that fails (or a future iteration of it),** withdraw and claim it was NATO. - Retreat into North Korea style hermit kingdom, behind their natural language and geographic barriers. - Wait for coup/revolution. The Russian elite have no conventional military way to win the war, and no genuinely realistic non-conventional options. The best out now is a loss that they can blame on others so as to make it politically acceptable to the non-elite, “mushroom” class of the citizenry (they keep them in the dark and feed them shit). Then they hunker down behind sanctions and appeal to nationalism and so-called existential threats in order to retain power (NK/hermit mode). Their language, geographic, and cultural barriers make this sustainable, as in Iran, North Korea, Burma, etc. This can go on quite a while until it implodes. Then, most likely, you wash/rinse/repeat with new nationalist saviors. ** - The mass offensive this year won’t win, but it might not result in a complete Ukrainian victory. Ukraine still needs time to build more forces and upgrade and mobilize them. It might take a second iteration of a mass offensive to break and collapse. Here's the big problem with Russia retreating behind a new iron curtain and going into isolation: they have a ton of resources that they can convert to a viable military force. Yes, sanctions hurt. But did sanctions prevent North Korea from getting the Bomb, and ballistic missiles? Russia already has the tech for nuclear weapons & ballistic missiles. If they go to a North Korea style militaristic society, and Putin seems to be moving that direction, they could have their entire population on quasi-war footing like North Korea's. That would make them a major threat to try this shit again down the road. How the post-Ukraine war plays out is a significant issue. Actually, R0N kept harping on "what about what comes next" and he's not wrong to bring that up. (He can be wrong about other things, though, like making fear of possible future outcomes outweigh what is right today. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:46:11 PM EST
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3 hrs ago, HIMARS strike on troop train.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:47:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 74HC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Any attack on the Baltics would invoke NATO's Article V. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSW0HHF2amARussian propaganda in Latvia. There's a little clip of Russian news showing how they could invade the Baltics. As little military as the Baltics have, that invasion scenario could still potentially be rolled out by Russia. It would be colossally stupid by Russia, but they could probably do it. Why does Putin seek to provoke others? Any attack on the Baltics would invoke NATO's Article V. "The parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened." Whoop-de-do. Do you know how many times Article IV has been invoked in the past? Something like a dozen times already. To get a meaningful, and forceful response from Article V, one has to get through Article IV. In short, NATO is only has forceful as the members with least resolve. It was designed, basically, to never be invoked. Other defense treaties between fewer NATO members are the ones that will get invoked, and result in force being applied. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:51:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This might slow down Iranian military supplies to Russia, they are busy exploding tonight.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 6:54:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Iranian jets scrambling currently but still exploding.
This is effing fantastic! I disliked Iran before they started sending killer drones for Russia to use to kill innocent Ukrainians. I asked WTF has Ukraine done to Iran to deserve this kind of evil? Fuck Iran fuck Russia and Putin. And if you support Russia in all this? Well you know where I stand. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:03:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: This is effing fantastic! I disliked Iran before they started sending killer drones for Russia to use to kill innocent Ukrainians. I asked WTF has Ukraine done to Iran to deserve this kind of evil? Fuck Iran fuck Russia and Putin. And if you support Russia in all this? Well you know where I stand. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Iranian jets scrambling currently but still exploding.
This is effing fantastic! I disliked Iran before they started sending killer drones for Russia to use to kill innocent Ukrainians. I asked WTF has Ukraine done to Iran to deserve this kind of evil? Fuck Iran fuck Russia and Putin. And if you support Russia in all this? Well you know where I stand. How very convenient.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:05:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: gentlemanfarmer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I'm happy to cheerlead Ukraine as much as anybody else. But I do think "we" sometimes forget that Ukraine is not a nation of professional soldiers. The videos from the start of the war showed that. People in this forum have spelled out how long and how much training it takes to wage war like a professional fighting force. Farmers, shop owners, tradesmen, etc etc etc put into battle very quickly because there was no other choice. Plenty of guts, but the training takes time. And even though russia is filled with all kinds of kooky problems, they are ruthless and they plan on winning. They are fine with using their own people as bait so their drones can correct artillery onto Ukrainian positions. They are fine with using their citizens repeatedly for probing attacks in order to wear down the Ukrainian forces. They will learn and adapt and get their shit together more as time goes on, and they will be more effective as their survivors are experienced in battle against Ukraine forces. Russia is dangerous and they should not be underestimated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: This was posted in early December: How the algorithm tipped the balance in Ukraine Suffice to say, it is one area they are definitely working on. I'm happy to cheerlead Ukraine as much as anybody else. But I do think "we" sometimes forget that Ukraine is not a nation of professional soldiers. The videos from the start of the war showed that. People in this forum have spelled out how long and how much training it takes to wage war like a professional fighting force. Farmers, shop owners, tradesmen, etc etc etc put into battle very quickly because there was no other choice. Plenty of guts, but the training takes time. And even though russia is filled with all kinds of kooky problems, they are ruthless and they plan on winning. They are fine with using their own people as bait so their drones can correct artillery onto Ukrainian positions. They are fine with using their citizens repeatedly for probing attacks in order to wear down the Ukrainian forces. They will learn and adapt and get their shit together more as time goes on, and they will be more effective as their survivors are experienced in battle against Ukraine forces. Russia is dangerous and they should not be underestimated. I would like to counter on this. Almost 9 years of war and a year of the worst prolonged combat since the 1950. Even Ukraines worse units are on par with the NG. War is the great teacher, and there are plenty of really squared away guys salted everywhere. You would be surprised. Give the air support and western supply I’d be hard pressed to vote against them even vs a a us army unit just toe to toe infantry artillery. Would a us army unit continue to function at 40% casualties? 50%. No morphine or pain killers until in a hospital? No hospital because it’s blown up? A friend of mine, SSO, western trained told me he isn’t needed anymore for tactical stuff because there are so many guys up now. You can’t comment unless you’ve been there. Yeah some units have poor equipment and older personnel but they arnt generally at the hottest spots. They are all volunteer at this point with a lot of guys waiting in line. I remember seeing a Ukrainian marine brigade training in 2016 and thought, I’m not sure how we would fair against that if comms were jammed and no air support. Take note that many of videos posted are not by the more professional units. It’s small semi dependent volunteer units volunteer. I’ve shot dynamically and trained with US guys and some are really good, marsoc for one, a lot are very bad. It’s just the technology, logistics, and combined arms with communication that would win and in a burn out rubble strewn concrete jungle; company of marines vs company of chechian volunteers or 93, 95, 28, 68, marines, airborne, center, SSO guys idk. it would not be a steam roll. Plenty of us veterans have given very frank accounts of their experience over there. Most were beyond terrified because they never experienced anything like coordinated accurate artillery fire, cluster munitions, hand grenade tennis, lack of comms. The professional army thing is bS, is our army really professional? I mean officers go to military academies, so do they. They rotate through combat: us not so much, them yes. They have soldiers of every nation there, we sort of have that. Their are not a nominal amount of ex Israeli sf, Aussie Brit Canadian US seals from every branch every nation. Finns, baltics, poles, Russian sf. It goes on and on. I lived all my life in military towns, go to KFC or McDonald’s at meal time. I don’t want to sound crass but not a lot pros there but a lot different camos looking like butterball turkeys. At the end of the day there are 4-600k combat vets pre war, add in a year of combat with everyone knowing people killed plus living under hellish conditions. It just says you haven’t been there in my polite opinion. Most professionals I know did it for the bennies or to get out of nowhere, tell them you have a 20% of death or severe injury and no benefits? It’s like calling the VC unprofessional or the NVA unprofessional, never met a vet that didn’t think they were tough bastards and hard to fight. I say all that not to sound like an asshole, it’s like hard positive talk, for if we have a war with China. It will be similar in some ways to Ukraine vs Russia. The fact that we are a dominant world fighting force has less to to do with unit quality and more to do with technology. Take the tech out and make it a balls to balls who is tougher. Add 5:1 person advantage. Also the bell curve is real, IQ is real. Take a high in person of good health and patriotic fervor, throw him in the meat grinder for a year. You’ll end up with a super soldier. IQ is predictive of much. The average Ukrainian just has an on average higher IQ than general us military. There it is. Add in existential threat and you get creative solutions. Anyway. Just my opinion on it. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:10:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Iranian jets scrambling currently but still exploding.
When we will see attacks with drones on critical infrastructure in Europe? I'm wondering why it not happened yet. 
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:13:21 PM EST
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This news out of Iran is extremely interesting. Glad to hear the Shithead drone factory got blasted during the festivities.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:14:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: They are being treated humanely, as they should be. And hopefully they will go back home and tell others what they experienced, and some attitudes will change. But if any of them come back to Ukraine, they will get what they deserve. I expect if they are stupid enough to open their mouths to say anything negative about russia or positive about Ukraine they will be imprisoned for spreading "fake news" under russian laws. And you can bet the russian govt will have a little chat with them whenever they get back to russia. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:18:25 PM EST
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It would be ironic if the attacks in Iran were being done by captured and reprogrammed Iranian drones
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:21:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: To expand upon this a bit further: If you listen to some of the intercepted phone calls and some of the interviews with Russians on the street, lots of them seem to know that what they're hearing on state TV is BS. My suspicion is that Russians have lived in an environment of draconian information control and state-sponsored lies for so long that they just assume that it's normal, because they haven't experienced anything else. They never liberalized like Western Europe did, which plays a very big role in why Russian government and political culture is largely incomprehensible to westerners. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By theskuh: I am wondering what the plan is for Russia right now. They are all in and still can't show any sizable gains. Their meat wasting attacks haven't really paid off. They are obviously down on shells whether they are conserving some for summer or what they aren't shooting as much as they have. The west on the other hand is not even close to all in. We stepped it up a little with older tanks, some bradleys smart munitions and maybe going to send some f16's at some point. But the veil is off and we can just keep ramping up where needed. Wagner has been pretty much handled as well. Only thing left is to push their shit in once the offensives start. Its obviously not going to be a cake walk and russia doesn't care if they just continually send meat. But right now there has to be some serious conversations happening. These latest attacks that end with multiple apcs and tanks ablaze seem to me their best attempts at trying to make a breakthrough but they are just getting countered badly. These last weeks of just fields of dead can't be spun easily. They are going to have to make some sort of tactics change. But their options are getting less and less as better air defense stands up. Its going to get increasingly hard for them now. It's very simple: they don't show pictures or videos of those kinds of losses on TV, and Russian mil and civil authorities at every level know to threaten and intimidate anyone who might have any direct knowledge of how badly things are (wounded, families of KIA) , whether they receive explicit instructions or not. "Shut the fuck and stop asking questions or we're going to make life difficult for you" has been the rule of the day for Russians for hundreds of years. That's what makes society in a dictatorship "brittle"; they are very hard until they crack. To expand upon this a bit further: If you listen to some of the intercepted phone calls and some of the interviews with Russians on the street, lots of them seem to know that what they're hearing on state TV is BS. My suspicion is that Russians have lived in an environment of draconian information control and state-sponsored lies for so long that they just assume that it's normal, because they haven't experienced anything else. They never liberalized like Western Europe did, which plays a very big role in why Russian government and political culture is largely incomprehensible to westerners. The Russians have a word "Vranyo" for the types of lies they tell. Basically means "I know you're lying. You know you're lying. You know that I know that you're lying. But you do it anyway and I go along with it." https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-vranyo-russian-for-when-you-lie-and-everyone-knows-it-but-you-dont-care-181100 Perun has an excellent video on it.  How lies destroy armies - Lies, coverups, and Russian failures in Ukraine |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:27:23 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: It would be ironic if the attacks in Iran were being done by captured and reprogrammed Iranian drones |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:35:12 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: I would like to counter on this. Almost 9 years of war and a year of the worst prolonged combat since the 1950. Even Ukraines worse units are on par with the NG. War is the great teacher, and there are plenty of really squared away guys salted everywhere. You would be surprised. Give the air support and western supply I’d be hard pressed to vote against them even vs a a us army unit just toe to toe infantry artillery. Would a us army unit continue to function at 40% casualties? 50%. No morphine or pain killers until in a hospital? No hospital because it’s blown up? A friend of mine, SSO, western trained told me he isn’t needed anymore for tactical stuff because there are so many guys up now. You can’t comment unless you’ve been there. Yeah some units have poor equipment and older personnel but they arnt generally at the hottest spots. They are all volunteer at this point with a lot of guys waiting in line. I remember seeing a Ukrainian marine brigade training in 2016 and thought, I’m not sure how we would fair against that if comms were jammed and no air support. Take note that many of videos posted are not by the more professional units. It’s small semi dependent volunteer units volunteer. I’ve shot dynamically and trained with US guys and some are really good, marsoc for one, a lot are very bad. It’s just the technology, logistics, and combined arms with communication that would win and in a burn out rubble strewn concrete jungle; company of marines vs company of chechian volunteers or 93, 95, 28, 68, marines, airborne, center, SSO guys idk. it would not be a steam roll. Plenty of us veterans have given very frank accounts of their experience over there. Most were beyond terrified because they never experienced anything like coordinated accurate artillery fire, cluster munitions, hand grenade tennis, lack of comms. The professional army thing is bS, is our army really professional? I mean officers go to military academies, so do they. They rotate through combat: us not so much, them yes. They have soldiers of every nation there, we sort of have that. Their are not a nominal amount of ex Israeli sf, Aussie Brit Canadian US seals from every branch every nation. Finns, baltics, poles, Russian sf. It goes on and on. I lived all my life in military towns, go to KFC or McDonald’s at meal time. I don’t want to sound crass but not a lot pros there but a lot different camos looking like butterball turkeys. At the end of the day there are 4-600k combat vets pre war, add in a year of combat with everyone knowing people killed plus living under hellish conditions. It just says you haven’t been there in my polite opinion. Most professionals I know did it for the bennies or to get out of nowhere, tell them you have a 20% of death or severe injury and no benefits? It’s like calling the VC unprofessional or the NVA unprofessional, never met a vet that didn’t think they were tough bastards and hard to fight. I say all that not to sound like an asshole, it’s like hard positive talk, for if we have a war with China. It will be similar in some ways to Ukraine vs Russia. The fact that we are a dominant world fighting force has less to to do with unit quality and more to do with technology. Take the tech out and make it a balls to balls who is tougher. Add 5:1 person advantage. Also the bell curve is real, IQ is real. Take a high in person of good health and patriotic fervor, throw him in the meat grinder for a year. You’ll end up with a super soldier. IQ is predictive of much. The average Ukrainian just has an on average higher IQ than general us military. There it is. Add in existential threat and you get creative solutions. Anyway. Just my opinion on it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:35:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: Jack67]
[#41]
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: This news out of Iran is extremely interesting. Glad to hear the Shithead drone factory got blasted during the festivities. Bibi is back, baby! Originally Posted By XeroSygnal: The Russians have a word "Vranyo" for the types of lies they tell. Basically means "I know you're lying. You know you're lying. You know that I know that you're lying. But you do it anyway and I go along with it." …. As background, everyone usually mis-attributes this quote to Solzhenitsyn for some asinine reason (you did not - thanks!) - but I wanted to highlight the real source. It’s a fabulous book about the realities of Soviet/Russian life by Elena Gorokhova. I read it recently; highly recommended. https://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Crumbs-Memoir-Elena-Gorokhova/dp/1439125686 |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:37:50 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: This news out of Iran is extremely interesting. Glad to hear the Shithead drone factory got blasted during the festivities. Yep we just need Georgia to heat up a retake of their territories. Unfortunately they’ve got a Yanukovich in power there. Not looking good on that front. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:38:49 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryYeah, that’s good stuff from gentlemanfarmer. People forget they have been at this since 2014. In a lot of ways 2022+ is “make-see” war, but the core competence is there. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:40:07 PM EST
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:46:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Wonder what options the 2024 monkey model will have Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Nothing says "World Superpower" like building your domestic cars with 1960s and earlier analog technology. Short history of the Soviet/Russian Auto Industry: 1920's: Invite Ford and other manufacturers in to build factories. Kick them out. Product devolves into low-quality "Monkey-models" of the original. 1940's: Import trucks and tooling from the West and proceed to copy. Seize entire factories from Germany, along with auto engineers. Build cars incorporating the latest German, British and US tech. Work the engineers to death or release them back to Germany when they are of no further use. Product devolves into low-quality "Monkey-models" based on foreign designs. 1960's: Buy entire turn-key auto plants from the French and Italians. Refuse to upgrade and, over time, incorporate truck and tractor components to deal with "Russian Roads" instead of investing in macadam and asphalt. Product devolves into low-quality "Monkey-models" of the original. 1980's: Bring in Foreign (Western and Japanese) experts to modernize the automotive sectors. Buy and import (legally and illicitly) the most modern machinery practicable. Design innovative automobiles well within the capability of the Soviet Automotive industry to build in large numbers. Build few if any of the "new" designs and instead churn out even lower-quality versions of the "Monkey-models" based on 1960's/early 1970's western models but add square headlights and a few 1960's-era Volkswagen-type "creature-comforts" that just reinforce how outdated the basic design actually is. 2000's: Invite foreign manufactures to partially or completely take over portions of the industry. Russian auto industry becomes state-of the-art. Begin to punish the foreigners through corruption and tax policy for the crime of employing Russians, selling cars that Russians want, and making a profit doing so. Production of auto components starts to ramp down in Russia, as companies seek to reduce their vulnerability to corruption, non-transparent taxation, increasing government hostility/indifference, sanctions, and deteriorating Russian relations with the West. In 2022 Ukraine II kicks off, Foreign companies give up and pull the plug. so the Russians step up to the plate with low-quality "Monkey-models" of the original. What we in most of the rest of the world see as "Failure", the Russians see as "Tradition"! Wonder what options the 2024 monkey model will have Probably something on the order of a somewhat-modern looking shell that, on the inside looks like an Amish Buggy but less comfortable and a drive train that looks like a low-grade Chinese manufactured copy of a 1960 Ford Falcon or Morris Minor driveline. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:47:01 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, I don't think it was shot down, but. https://media.tenor.com/nffa-nPxFRcAAAAC/community-ken-jeong.gif |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:51:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricko1: Dud round is much more likely Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricko1: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, I don't think it was shot down, but. https://media.tenor.com/nffa-nPxFRcAAAAC/community-ken-jeong.gif Yep, we've only seen about 3 of those since the Himars strikes began in July, so not bad of a dud rate.
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:52:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Yep we just need Georgia to heat up a retake of their territories. Unfortunately they’ve got a Yanukovich in power there. Not looking good on that front. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: This news out of Iran is extremely interesting. Glad to hear the Shithead drone factory got blasted during the festivities. Yep we just need Georgia to heat up a retake of their territories. Unfortunately they’ve got a Yanukovich in power there. Not looking good on that front. Why stop there...   Attached File |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:55:36 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yep, we've only seen about 3 of those since the Himars strikes began in July, so not bad of a dud rate. They made sure to get LockMart’s CAGE code in there so they can sell the “NATO is attacking us” angle hard, pre-planning for the loss and excuses. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 7:58:18 PM EST
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