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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:32:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: UK is really stepping up to be that elusive "first one to do it" advanced weapons provider. They are putting the shame to Germany. They may not have a lot of equipment if their own anymore but at least they didn't turn in their spines as surplus either. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:33:35 AM EST
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  Russian tourniquets 
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:37:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
33 of these headed to Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:39:01 AM EST
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:41:57 AM EST
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:43:33 AM EST
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:55:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: Always with the negative ways, Jack. Always with the negative waves.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sCo5GaDq7kGreat song, thanks. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:58:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Surprised and pleased the AT4 is still viable as an anti tank weapon. This was taken out by a bonus round, not at4. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 10:02:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Oh man, if the Dems would support that it would be the most impactful move ahead of almost any other kind of sanction. That would send a message. Graduate departments everywhere would change overnight and GRE scores would plummet . I support it!It would shut down at least 40% of the medical research going on right now. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 10:03:04 AM EST
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 Bakhmut Crisis, Russian Vuhledar Disaster - Russian Invasion of Ukraine |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 10:06:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evil_Chaos:
Somebody in hear already mentioned poison and that may the Winner Winner Chicken dinner!
I hope to be able to claim my chicken dinner soon. Kadyrov made enemies in too many directions. He made enemies in Chechnya for being Putin’s lapdog. He made enemies in the Russian military establishment for criticizing and usurping them. He may have made an enemy of Putin for planning a coup. Although I will say that poisoning has Putin’s name all over it. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 10:16:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Lol..here is your shovel, now for get em boys! We're going to see footage of spetsnaz shovel flips yet! |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 10:31:45 AM EST
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What is the pessimistic assessment of the situation in Bakhmut? Is there anybody on our side who comments/reports from that position?
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Posted: 3/5/2023 10:59:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:
 Comment section: 3 more days and he would have been flying an SU-34. 
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:06:05 AM EST
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Hey all. A few months back we had a fundraiser for a relative of mine in Bakhmut. Just received word that he got his ar15.com fund raiser gift via USINUA.ORG and is incredibly grateful for the force multiplier. Thanks to all involved.
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:10:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: What is the pessimistic assessment of the situation in Bakhmut? Is there anybody on our side who comments/reports from that position? Believe media blackout is in effect..so we only get the regular updates from the normals there |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:12:05 AM EST
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This might have been posted earlier.
I really object to the text in the tweet. It's a fact that China is the world's #1 industrial manufacturing power. Their capacity to produce significant industrial output (ships, for example) in quantity is superior to all others. I would even say that US & EU combined can't match China's industrial output capacity. If the world situation really came down to war between US/EU and China, it would completely upend the world order overnight for a century to come. China would be launching their third wave of replacement aircraft carriers before the US could launch our first replacement carriers (all existing carriers would likely be sunk on both sides). That's my opinion. Yes, there's a question of quality and technology. And it's an open question. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:14:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This might have been posted earlier.
I really object to the text in the tweet. It's a fact that China is the world's #1 industrial manufacturing power. Their capacity to produce significant industrial output (ships, for example) in quantity is superior to all others. I would even say that US & EU combined can't match China's industrial output capacity. If the world situation really came down to war between US/EU and China, it would completely upend the world order overnight for a century to come. China would be launching their third wave of replacement aircraft carriers before the US could launch our first replacement carriers (all existing carriers would likely be sunk on both sides). That's my opinion. Yes, there's a question of quality and technology. And it's an open question. Reminiscent of WW2 D-day preparations. I don't believe all our carriers would he sunk..no way. A few yes. But not all. China isn't able to get to all of ours. We have then spread out. And we have subs trailing there's when ever they are deployed so in the first minutes of the war there's are sunk. China doesn't have global sub presence as we do |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:21:24 AM EST
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:22:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This might have been posted earlier.
I really object to the text in the tweet. It's a fact that China is the world's #1 industrial manufacturing power. Their capacity to produce significant industrial output (ships, for example) in quantity is superior to all others. I would even say that US & EU combined can't match China's industrial output capacity. If the world situation really came down to war between US/EU and China, it would completely upend the world order overnight for a century to come. China would be launching their third wave of replacement aircraft carriers before the US could launch our first replacement carriers (all existing carriers would likely be sunk on both sides). That's my opinion. Yes, there's a question of quality and technology. And it's an open question. They might have industrial capacity but it can’t produce if they are shut off from imports of oil and raw materials. Which 90% has to be imported. I’m pretty sure the U.S. Navy could shut down everything and starve Chinese industry in 6 months. Along with their agriculture industry. A billion starving Chinese in 6 months would get the CCCPs attention. But I’m quite sure before that happens Washington DC would be glowing along with Bejing. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:25:58 AM EST
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:26:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: It would shut down at least 40% of the medical research going on right now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Oh man, if the Dems would support that it would be the most impactful move ahead of almost any other kind of sanction. That would send a message. Graduate departments everywhere would change overnight and GRE scores would plummet . I support it!It would shut down at least 40% of the medical research going on right now. Yeah, the solution to China is far from as simple as "kick them all out," as others have pointed out. That's just a knee-jerk, emotional reaction, not a thought-out one. It'd be one thing to root out every spy in an organization like Lockheed Skunk Works. Limited people to screen, remove and replace anyone you even suspect of doing nefarious things. It's another thing entirely to try and apply that to the general population. Plus, this is still supposed to the Land of the Free, with Liberty for All. That means taking the few bad with the many good. You can't just round up an entire population based on ethnicity and deport or imprison them. Oh, wait...the Japanese. We already did that. As someone else said, we really need to up our anti-espionage game, to play it serious. Not just to wholesale punish anyone we don't like the look of or their family name. Sanctions/tariffs are another thorny matter. You realize nothing "Made in America" actually is, right? It's assembled here from foreign parts. I recently bought some magazine pouches proudly "Made in America." I guarantee that the fabric used to make them wasn't. The velcro and snaps probably weren't either. Or the thread used to sew them together. Did it come from China? Maybe not. Could have been S. Korea, Vietnam, India, Mexico, Taiwan...you get the idea. But MOST of it comes from China. Cutting off imports is going to mean there are a lot fewer "Made in America" products on your shelves to pick from. Amish furniture is probably 100% "Made in America." Hardly anything else is. Especially if it's electronic or cheap. Sanctions/tariffs will impact China, but it's going to hurt here too. A lot. For a long time. If we don't have a recession and stupid inflation with half-empty shelves in some stores here YET, wait until we do this. It'll reach into every single corner of the economy you can imagine. Except maybe Amish-made furniture. Should we? I think so, yes. If nothing else, we take the pain onto ourselves to hurt or cripple an enemy, and at the same time, maybe some companies will pull their heads out of their fucking asses and actually START making things here again, for reasonable prices and wages. The problem is, the smooth-brained bell-ends who want $15/hr to dip french fries in hot oil and smoke pot all day won't see it that way, and they vote too. Well, some of them. The people who support giving them that wage for nothing certainly do. I don't know what's going to happen if we impose penalties on China for helping Russia kill Ukrainians. I know it's going to cause some chaos, and not the good kind. I also know we should do everything possible to help Ukraine and stop Russia before this gets to WWIII levels, and we're not. Slava Ukraini. Heroyam Slava. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:26:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This might have been posted earlier.
I really object to the text in the tweet. It's a fact that China is the world's #1 industrial manufacturing power. Their capacity to produce significant industrial output (ships, for example) in quantity is superior to all others. I would even say that US & EU combined can't match China's industrial output capacity. If the world situation really came down to war between US/EU and China, it would completely upend the world order overnight for a century to come. China would be launching their third wave of replacement aircraft carriers before the US could launch our first replacement carriers (all existing carriers would likely be sunk on both sides). That's my opinion. Yes, there's a question of quality and technology. And it's an open question. How many active aircraft carriers does China currently have sailing the seas? How many of those have proven to be effective in battle? With regards to Kadryov, his death would seem to lead to some unpredictable consequences. Would Chechen troops continue to fight as effectively? Where would their loyalty lie? Would there be instability, uprisings and protests in Chechnya? Overall, seems like a lot of potential trouble spots for Putin. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:31:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricko1: We know how well are shit works against russian shit, might as well find out how well it works against chicom shit Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricko1: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
In case others have not seen this. Not surprised. Send some RMRs so we can figure out if RMRs or Holosuns are better.
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:36:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: Sierradyne]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Trump: Can end 'disastrous' Russian war in a day Nuke Moscow and Beijing. Adding:
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:39:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This might have been posted earlier.
I really object to the text in the tweet. It's a fact that China is the world's #1 industrial manufacturing power. Their capacity to produce significant industrial output (ships, for example) in quantity is superior to all others. I would even say that US & EU combined can't match China's industrial output capacity. If the world situation really came down to war between US/EU and China, it would completely upend the world order overnight for a century to come. China would be launching their third wave of replacement aircraft carriers before the US could launch our first replacement carriers (all existing carriers would likely be sunk on both sides). That's my opinion. Yes, there's a question of quality and technology. And it's an open question. Think that’s 3 BDE 1 CAV rotating back to Ft. Hood. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:40:04 AM EST
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:42:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This might have been posted earlier.
I really object to the text in the tweet. It's a fact that China is the world's #1 industrial manufacturing power. Their capacity to produce significant industrial output (ships, for example) in quantity is superior to all others. I would even say that US & EU combined can't match China's industrial output capacity. If the world situation really came down to war between US/EU and China, it would completely upend the world order overnight for a century to come. China would be launching their third wave of replacement aircraft carriers before the US could launch our first replacement carriers (all existing carriers would likely be sunk on both sides). That's my opinion. Yes, there's a question of quality and technology. And it's an open question. They can't build without imports |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:45:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Trump: Can end 'disastrous' Russian war in a day He claims Biden is leading us into WW3 but can end the war in a day and that involves either 1)Attacking Russian forces leading us into WW3 Or 2)Pulling our resources out And knowing trump and how he loves Putin it's going to be the later. Wonder how the Ukranians feel about that. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:45:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Trump: Can end 'disastrous' Russian war in a day Trump is a moron. By appearance, Putin was absolutely right and had Trump nailed. (see the PBS video, Putin and the Presidents, that was posted earlier) Trump is a third-rate real estate developer from NYC. He's a guppy to Putin's silverpike. Trump's claim here shouldn't even be repeated unless he can put up some of the actions he'd take. Sell out Ukraine? It would work. Trump could cut off all aid, lean on Zelensky, and help Putin crush Ukraine. Judging by GD, I can see how Trump might even think that was the right thing to do, and he'd have some loud, popular support. Trump is too dumb to know he's out of his depth. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:47:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: They can't build without imports Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This might have been posted earlier.
I really object to the text in the tweet. It's a fact that China is the world's #1 industrial manufacturing power. Their capacity to produce significant industrial output (ships, for example) in quantity is superior to all others. I would even say that US & EU combined can't match China's industrial output capacity. If the world situation really came down to war between US/EU and China, it would completely upend the world order overnight for a century to come. China would be launching their third wave of replacement aircraft carriers before the US could launch our first replacement carriers (all existing carriers would likely be sunk on both sides). That's my opinion. Yes, there's a question of quality and technology. And it's an open question. They can't build without imports And we can't, either. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:47:50 AM EST
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Interesting podcast series on Russian expats. Next Year in Moscow When the shelling of Ukraine began a year ago, free-thinking Russians faced a fateful choice: lie low, resist or flee. Hundreds of thousands decided to leave. Because for them the war meant Russia itself had lost its meaning and its future. Now they have to rebuild their lives and their hopes for Russia from exile. Can they get their country back? In this seven-part series, The Economist’s Arkady Ostrovsky travels across Europe and the Middle East to find out. The answer may hold the key to ending the war. Listen on: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Stitcher | RSS | Pocket Casts | Economist.com |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:48:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: stone-age]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: He claims Biden is leading us into WW3 but can end the war in a day and that involves either 1)Attacking Russian forces leading us into WW3 Or 2)Pulling our resources out And knowing trump and how he loves Putin it's going to be the later. Wonder how the Ukranians feel about that. I'm betting on 2. Which is effectively give russia what they want. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:57:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: And we can't, either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This might have been posted earlier.
I really object to the text in the tweet. It's a fact that China is the world's #1 industrial manufacturing power. Their capacity to produce significant industrial output (ships, for example) in quantity is superior to all others. I would even say that US & EU combined can't match China's industrial output capacity. If the world situation really came down to war between US/EU and China, it would completely upend the world order overnight for a century to come. China would be launching their third wave of replacement aircraft carriers before the US could launch our first replacement carriers (all existing carriers would likely be sunk on both sides). That's my opinion. Yes, there's a question of quality and technology. And it's an open question. They can't build without imports And we can't, either. We have food and energy resources, maybe not to run at normal, but enough to keep us afloat. Unlike china |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:59:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: He claims Biden is leading us into WW3 but can end the war in a day and that involves either 1)Attacking Russian forces leading us into WW3 Or 2)Pulling our resources out And knowing trump and how he loves Putin it's going to be the later. Wonder how the Ukranians feel about that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By ludder093: Trump: Can end 'disastrous' Russian war in a day He claims Biden is leading us into WW3 but can end the war in a day and that involves either 1)Attacking Russian forces leading us into WW3 Or 2)Pulling our resources out And knowing trump and how he loves Putin it's going to be the later. Wonder how the Ukranians feel about that. Did Trump sell Putin uranium? |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:00:52 PM EST
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I'm curious as to how many of us here in this thread would be supportive of a peace plan that ends the war, but Russia keeps Crimea? I personally want Crimea to return to Ukraine, but if it would end the war and all Russian forces pull out of Donbas, luhansk, etc but keep Crimea. Would you support that peace plan?
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:03:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Trump: Can end 'disastrous' Russian war in a day Why hasnt he been burning up his buddy's phones in the Kremlin then?? All words, no meat in his yapping. He thinks of himself of some kind of almighty world leader that others bow to his demands. He's lost his mind. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:03:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: He claims Biden is leading us into WW3 but can end the war in a day and that involves either 1)Attacking Russian forces leading us into WW3 Or 2)Pulling our resources out And knowing trump and how he loves Putin it's going to be the later. Wonder how the Ukranians feel about that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By ludder093: Trump: Can end 'disastrous' Russian war in a day He claims Biden is leading us into WW3 but can end the war in a day and that involves either 1)Attacking Russian forces leading us into WW3 Or 2)Pulling our resources out And knowing trump and how he loves Putin it's going to be the later. Wonder how the Ukranians feel about that. He's not getting elected anyway. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:06:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Trump is a moron. By appearance, Putin was absolutely right and had Trump nailed. (see the PBS video, Putin and the Presidents, that was posted earlier) Trump is a third-rate real estate developer from NYC. He's a guppy to Putin's silverpike. Trump's claim here shouldn't even be repeated unless he can put up some of the actions he'd take. Sell out Ukraine? It would work. Trump could cut off all aid, lean on Zelensky, and help Putin crush Ukraine. Judging by GD, I can see how Trump might even think that was the right thing to do, and he'd have some loud, popular support. Trump is too dumb to know he's out of his depth. putin invade ukraine under obamas watch. putin invaded ukraine under bidens watch. trump kept putin in check while trump was in office. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:07:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By HIPPO: Think that’s 3 BDE 1 CAV rotating back to Ft. Hood. I bet you are right. That’s an entire organic US unit and not just “equipment” arriving/departing. 3 BCT handed over to 2-1 officially this past December, so that fits. Originally Posted By vahog: Always with the negative ways, Jack. Always with the negative waves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sCo5GaDq7kLoL, that’s funny. Also that song was amusing, vaguely remember it. I haven’t seen that film in forever so time to re-watch. Added value: I just looked up Mike Curb, from the song. Wild career. Wild. Besides recording career, also President of MGM records. Reagan talked him into politics and was Lt. Gov. of CA, and basically was Gov for a while when Jerry brown ran for President. Owned several NASCAR teams and sponsored others, including Richard Petty, Earnhardt, and Waltrip. I don’t think I had heard of this guy, fairly amazing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Curb |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:08:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I'm curious as to how many of us here in this thread would be supportive of a peace plan that ends the war, but Russia keeps Crimea? I personally want Crimea to return to Ukraine, but if it would end the war and all Russian forces pull out of Donbas, luhansk, etc but keep Crimea. Would you support that peace plan? In a word, no. Russia gets nothing from their aggression. Crimea back in Ukrainian can be used to hold Russia at-risk and create leverage so they don’t try any more shit. Belarus is another structural area of risk. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:09:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I'm curious as to how many of us here in this thread would be supportive of a peace plan that ends the war, but Russia keeps Crimea? I personally want Crimea to return to Ukraine, but if it would end the war and all Russian forces pull out of Donbas, luhansk, etc but keep Crimea. Would you support that peace plan? Honestly if Russia is allowed to keep anything it would reward violations of long established international law and that's a whole new can 'O' worms. Besides that without a resounding deafeat the Russians wil be back after licking their wounds. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:12:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7empest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I'm curious as to how many of us here in this thread would be supportive of a peace plan that ends the war, but Russia keeps Crimea? I personally want Crimea to return to Ukraine, but if it would end the war and all Russian forces pull out of Donbas, luhansk, etc but keep Crimea. Would you support that peace plan? It isn't up to me. If the Ukrainian people want to accept that peace plan I would support their decision. If the Ukrainian people decide to make every last Russian soldier on Ukrainian soil into sunflower fertilizer I will support them in their sunflowers for peace venture. If I were Ukrainian I know what my choice would be. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:14:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I'm curious as to how many of us here in this thread would be supportive of a peace plan that ends the war, but Russia keeps Crimea? I personally want Crimea to return to Ukraine, but if it would end the war and all Russian forces pull out of Donbas, luhansk, etc but keep Crimea. Would you support that peace plan? I would support the decision/choice of the Ukrainians. If they want to make that deal, fine. If not, fine. But Crimea is Ukrainian territory. They should make a point by destroying the bridge between Crimea and Russia. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:14:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:26:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This might have been posted earlier.
I really object to the text in the tweet. It's a fact that China is the world's #1 industrial manufacturing power. Their capacity to produce significant industrial output (ships, for example) in quantity is superior to all others. I would even say that US & EU combined can't match China's industrial output capacity. If the world situation really came down to war between US/EU and China, it would completely upend the world order overnight for a century to come. China would be launching their third wave of replacement aircraft carriers before the US could launch our first replacement carriers (all existing carriers would likely be sunk on both sides). That's my opinion. Yes, there's a question of quality and technology. And it's an open question. No, China has been caught numerous time fudging their supposed output. The US still has more manufacturing output than China (barely). Their capacity to output anything is entirely dependent upon the west giving them the money to do so. Once that stops, China becomes just another 3rd world country again. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:28:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Originally Posted By stgdz: We have food and energy resources, maybe not to run at normal, but enough to keep us afloat. Unlike china We have plenty enough of each to run at normal w/o the government throttling production downward, which it does. Originally Posted By sierra-def: Did Trump sell Putin uranium? In a security context, this is a bit of a red-herring. Russia + CSIS states have a huge % of global uranium reserves and no inherent need to go get it elsewhere other than a good $$ deal. The west, via mostly Canadian and Australian reserves, have the bulk. Those two nations alone have over 1/3 of known global reserves. I don’t like the smell of whatever that Obama/Clinton nuclear deal really was, but it didn’t affect strategic access to uranium in any way. Ukraine has substantial deposits, too, btw - more than the US. US+Canada alone have 1/8 of global reserves, so we have secure access to uranium even w/o Australia in a strategic sense. Originally Posted By AROKIE: I'm curious as to how many of us here in this thread would be supportive of a peace plan that ends the war, but Russia keeps Crimea? I personally want Crimea to return to Ukraine, but if it would end the war and all Russian forces pull out of Donbas, luhansk, etc but keep Crimea. Would you support that peace plan? Non-starter. And Ukraine will never go for it until their last European ally quits. Which I could see happening in five or six years if… - Nah, can’t see a scenario where that happens. If the US/Trump were to do a 180 and try to force a peace that acknowledged Russia as the winner w/o trying to let Ukraine fight, then: - Europe would ignore it and continue to support Ukraine - US would lose any semblence of moral or political leadership among the European community - Asian allies would rapidly re-align differently. It would be one of the most disastrous US foreign policy moves since rejecting the Treaty of Versailles. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:32:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I would support the decision/choice of the Ukrainians. If they want to make that deal, fine. If not, fine. But Crimea is Ukrainian territory. They should make a point by destroying the bridge between Crimea and Russia. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By AROKIE: I'm curious as to how many of us here in this thread would be supportive of a peace plan that ends the war, but Russia keeps Crimea? I personally want Crimea to return to Ukraine, but if it would end the war and all Russian forces pull out of Donbas, luhansk, etc but keep Crimea. Would you support that peace plan? I would support the decision/choice of the Ukrainians. If they want to make that deal, fine. If not, fine. But Crimea is Ukrainian territory. They should make a point by destroying the bridge between Crimea and Russia. This. It's not our call to make. If they want to sue for peace, I'd disagree, but support their decision. It's easy to disagree when I have nothing on the line, and it's their choice. If they want to kick Russia to the curb and drive them out of every inch of Ukrainian soil, Crimea and Donbas included, we should make sure they have everything they need to do that. Again, their call. The problem comes when we effectively make the choice for them by stopping or slowing aid, weapons, etc. Without the gear and weapons to make that choice, they get left without a choice. And Russia gets rewarded for more outright aggression, learning a valuable lesson in the process. They can do whatever they want. Guess who else learns that lesson? China. North Korea. Iran. That's not a world I want to live in. How does that saying go? "At the end of the day, when all other options are exhausted, Americans will always do the right thing." I'm tired of that being true. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:34:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: ISW assessment for March 4th. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-4-2023 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fqa0dsCXwAAKq6E?format=jpg&name=large  Attached File
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Posted: 3/5/2023 12:39:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/VD13nVo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/U1rHs39.jpg Russian tourniquets At least you don't have to worry about the windlass snapping like the plastic models, when you're cranking down hard. |
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