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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:08:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: They don't understand what it means to be an ally, let alone a friend. Most of America is made of European immigrants, we have a cultural, ethnic, religious, free enterprise heritage in common because of it. NATO would have never been formed after WWII had Russia not played the asshole when it ended. Stalin and the Soviet Union forced us into an alliance because of the threat they posed. We are now witnessing the exact same violent expansion policies that Russia is famous for. Tens of thousands of peaceful people are being murdered based on lies. The Russia people have cosigned Putin's bull shit, they don't deserve a pass on this. This is why we have to band together and march to victory, whatever the financial cost, come what may. If we don't destroy them in Ukraine, they will get stronger over time and more emboldened. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By UKjohn: So more folks wanting freedom , gd will hate them They don't understand what it means to be an ally, let alone a friend. Most of America is made of European immigrants, we have a cultural, ethnic, religious, free enterprise heritage in common because of it. NATO would have never been formed after WWII had Russia not played the asshole when it ended. Stalin and the Soviet Union forced us into an alliance because of the threat they posed. We are now witnessing the exact same violent expansion policies that Russia is famous for. Tens of thousands of peaceful people are being murdered based on lies. The Russia people have cosigned Putin's bull shit, they don't deserve a pass on this. This is why we have to band together and march to victory, whatever the financial cost, come what may. If we don't destroy them in Ukraine, they will get stronger over time and more emboldened. That is the essence of it for sure. If not now, when? How many more lives? |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:08:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: There seem to be two anti-Ukraine camps not counting the Russian shills: 1) broken spirits. So disillusioned with US govt they are anti-everything. No foreign involvement, 10%, fuck Europe, etc 2) Nuke panickers. They are frozen by Putin chanting Nuke Nuke Nuke. They have no solution but can only claim we can’t antagonize Putin becuz the Nukes. 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:12:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: They seem to really be having trouble with this. Not a criticism, I hate admin tasks too  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/D185B4F8-28D8-434A-B7B5-79D6122C1569-2739850.jpg https://ru.interfax.com.ua/news/general/896541.html It took a lot of time and effort to ID the participants of the 2nd flag raising on Mt. Suribachi. In fact, most people are unaware of the 1st. We shouldn't be surprised or dismayed if the ID of the Ukrainian hero changes several times before it gets resolved. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:13:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: If you want some isolationist lulz, go look at the execution video thread here in GD. There's even someone suggesting if we sat out WWII we would be better off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Just point out the historical record (and this is by no means an all-inclusive list): 1777: Invaded Canada 1798-1801: The "Quasi-War" with France 1801-1805: The Barbary Wars 1803: Louisiana Purchase 1807: The Chesapeake Affair 1811: Encouraged the "West Florida" revolt and took over most of West Florida (much of which was promptly stolen from Florida) 1812: War of 1812 (with a US war aim of, among other things, seizing Canada) 1813: Invaded Canada (again) (still didn't work out) 1814-15: The "East Florida" Campaign 1815-16: The Barbary Was II (The Sequel) 1819: Took over the remaining part of Florida from Spain 1819: "Co-dominium Agreement" (Joint US/British occupation of the Pacific Northwest) 1821: Support for Mexican Independence 1823: Monroe Doctrine (essentially an ultimatum directed against current/potential European colonial powers in the Americas) 1820's: Massive support (to include overt/covert US Government support) to the Central and South American Liberation movements. 1836: Support of The Texas Revolution as well as other Mexican regional independence efforts. 1845-48: The Mexican-American War 1846: The Oregon/Columbia agreement with Britain (Division of the Pacific Northwest) 1854: Perry's mission to Japan 1855: Perry's return mission to Japan 1856: Guano Islands Act 1858: Failed attempt to "open" Korea 1866: Ultimatum to the French to withdraw troops from Mexico/movement of troops to the US/Mexico border. 1867: The purchase of Alaska 1889: The Samoa Dispute 1892: Overthrow of the Hawaiian Monarchy 1895: The Venezuelan Crisis 1898-present: Spanish/American War and 'Let us not even go there!' after that So, just have them ask themselves: "Self, where/when does this magic period of "Splendid Isolationism" exist outside of political rhetoric and narratives?" If you want some isolationist lulz, go look at the execution video thread here in GD. There's even someone suggesting if we sat out WWII we would be better off. Pat Buchannan actually made that argument. I personally blame the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor, Invasion of the Philippines, and seizure of Guam and Wake Island, but I guess we could just have ignored the attacks directly on the United States, the sinking of the battleships, etc. in their world. By the way, did you ask him what color the sky was there?
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:16:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: As ugly as watching it would be, I would feel I had a duty as a father to know the truth about the circumstances of his death. Knowing the video was out there and not having the courage to watch it would probably bother me more over time than "ripping the band-aid off" and watching the video. This. I can understand why others wouldn't be able to, and I wouldn't criticize them for it. But for me, I would OWE it to him to watch. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:18:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Reported to be the first JDAM-ER attack in Ukraine: https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/11m9xex/reportedly_the_first_use_of_jdamer_in_ukraine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 That was not a JDAM-ER. What ever it was came in so fast that it wasn't visible in the video. 250 pound SDBs can be seen on video as they hit a target, so a 500 pound or larger JDAM-ER would definitely show up in the video if that was one. Here is low resolution video of SDB strikes where they can easily be seen.  Failed To Load Title And South Korea's 500 pound KGGB can easily be seen at the 4:44 point in this video.  South Korean Air Force showcases its arsenal of Precision-Guided Munition (PGM) |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:24:34 PM EST
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Any word of any new armor that was transferred across rhe border day before yesterday or warehouse beings struck in the big missile attack?
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:29:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Any word of any new armor that was transferred across rhe border day before yesterday or warehouse beings struck in the big missile attack? Read on another site, I think a screenshot from the Russian MOD, where they claimed to have destroyed a large cache of the newer weapons that have been announced to have crossed over this past week. Of course no proof or anyone backing up that claim. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:32:40 PM EST
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Good battle damage video from Russians.
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:44:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: No one that I have seen on this thread has blamed Trump for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. What there is certainly dispute over is whether Trump “forestalled” a Russian invasion of Ukraine, whether and to what extent he supported Ukraine while president, what he would’ve done then or would do now if he was in office during an invasion. Stating that “Trump is a pompous windbag” is not blaming him for the invasion. I personally agree that Trump is a pompous windbag, and that is about the kindest thing I have to say about him. Feels awkward to agree with Vindman here. Looks like Ukraine was lucky Russia waited to invade.
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:49:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: That was not a JDAM-ER. What ever it was came in so fast that it wasn't visible in the video. 250 pound SDBs can be seen on video as they hit a target, so a 500 pound or larger JDAM-ER would definitely show up in the video if that was one. Here is low resolution video of SDB strikes where they can easily be seen.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_neBSX7BGQAnd South Korea's 500 pound KGGB can easily be seen at the 4:44 point in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7oeu3_syQQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: Originally Posted By Capta: Reported to be the first JDAM-ER attack in Ukraine: https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/11m9xex/reportedly_the_first_use_of_jdamer_in_ukraine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 That was not a JDAM-ER. What ever it was came in so fast that it wasn't visible in the video. 250 pound SDBs can be seen on video as they hit a target, so a 500 pound or larger JDAM-ER would definitely show up in the video if that was one. Here is low resolution video of SDB strikes where they can easily be seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_neBSX7BGQAnd South Korea's 500 pound KGGB can easily be seen at the 4:44 point in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7oeu3_syQI explained earlier I slowed down the video and did a frame by frame..no objects were seen coming from sky and the explosion looks to originate inside the building. I believe that was a "gift" that Ukraine had rigged inside the house and waited till ruskies occupied it and set it off. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:50:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AuNate: Read on another site, I think a screenshot from the Russian MOD, where they claimed to have destroyed a large cache of the newer weapons that have been announced to have crossed over this past week. Of course no proof or anyone backing up that claim. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AuNate: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Any word of any new armor that was transferred across rhe border day before yesterday or warehouse beings struck in the big missile attack? Read on another site, I think a screenshot from the Russian MOD, where they claimed to have destroyed a large cache of the newer weapons that have been announced to have crossed over this past week. Of course no proof or anyone backing up that claim. I have a feeling they did strike some. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:53:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I have a feeling they did strike some. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:53:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Feels awkward to agree with Vindman here. Looks like Ukraine was lucky Russia waited to invade.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Capta: No one that I have seen on this thread has blamed Trump for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. What there is certainly dispute over is whether Trump “forestalled” a Russian invasion of Ukraine, whether and to what extent he supported Ukraine while president, what he would’ve done then or would do now if he was in office during an invasion. Stating that “Trump is a pompous windbag” is not blaming him for the invasion. I personally agree that Trump is a pompous windbag, and that is about the kindest thing I have to say about him. Feels awkward to agree with Vindman here. Looks like Ukraine was lucky Russia waited to invade.
Eh... I still think we're living in the future where Biff keeps the Almanac. What he would have done will never be really known...since what he is now is not what he was then. And yes he is loyal to the extreme right Tucker types so he's going to appease them. It's all a mess now with Biff having killed George McFly and hanging out with shady henchmen. Desantis baby! |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 11:34:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: If so, some traitors need shot Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By AROKIE: I have a feeling they did strike some. All they needed was telegram and twitter....people post stuff on trains rolling across the border everyday. You would think some opsec would be maintained, but not in today's me first Instagram world. (Also agree, if traitors tipped them off...they get the rope). |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 11:35:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I explained earlier I slowed down the video and did a frame by frame..no objects were seen coming from sky and the explosion looks to originate inside the building. I believe that was a "gift" that Ukraine had rigged inside the house and waited till ruskies occupied it and set it off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By 2A373: Originally Posted By Capta: Reported to be the first JDAM-ER attack in Ukraine: https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/11m9xex/reportedly_the_first_use_of_jdamer_in_ukraine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 That was not a JDAM-ER. What ever it was came in so fast that it wasn't visible in the video. 250 pound SDBs can be seen on video as they hit a target, so a 500 pound or larger JDAM-ER would definitely show up in the video if that was one. Here is low resolution video of SDB strikes where they can easily be seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_neBSX7BGQAnd South Korea's 500 pound KGGB can easily be seen at the 4:44 point in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7oeu3_syQI explained earlier I slowed down the video and did a frame by frame..no objects were seen coming from sky and the explosion looks to originate inside the building. I believe that was a "gift" that Ukraine had rigged inside the house and waited till ruskies occupied it and set it off. I missed your post. A booby trapped building could explain it. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 11:35:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: All these must have come over in the same shipment because mine arrived two days ago too and I’m closer to Philly/DC area where they probably touched down. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/F5DB0760-AD8E-4890-9663-0B6B075DD818-2739073.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By klinc: Originally Posted By Erno86: Originally Posted By klinc: Originally Posted By thehun06: Ordered my first MemorySteelUA setup from the initial invasion ... Russia ... just leave .... Ordered 3 keychain ones on Feb 11th... Got notified a couple hours ago they are in my mailbox. I just received in the mail yesterday...my laser etched Ruzzkie T-72 steel tank skin keychain momento, that was "MADE IN RUSSIA RECYCLED IN UKRAINE". "Attack on Bakhmut by column of Ukrainian armored vehicles --- Russian positions shelled at close range" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t2vRfpkjOQhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/106468/20230309_174108_jpg-2739962.JPG  One is for my dad that waited for these things to cross the line in Germany back when. All these must have come over in the same shipment because mine arrived two days ago too and I’m closer to Philly/DC area where they probably touched down. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/F5DB0760-AD8E-4890-9663-0B6B075DD818-2739073.jpg Man, I love my postcard, almost more than the actual product. I'm tempted to order again just to get another one.
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Posted: 3/9/2023 11:52:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Very interesting. Is it possible that the horizontal prop is gas powered? I'm not sure if this "quadplane" is the best of both worlds or the worst... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By planemaker: The open source community has had this design for years now. It's referred to as a "quadplane". I've made and flown a couple different ones. The hard part is tuning the transition from the quad rotors to wing-borne flight. Given the size of the ones in the picture, I'm doubting the 150km range claim as it appears all electric. The vertical part of the flight chews up a lot of power. Very interesting. Is it possible that the horizontal prop is gas powered? I'm not sure if this "quadplane" is the best of both worlds or the worst... The pictures looked like the pusher was electric as I didn't see any cylinder heads or exhaust pipes. The idea behind a quadplane is you don't have to have a pneumatic or similar large, heavy launcher. Just fire up the quad rotors, climb up a bit to get above obstacles, then transition to wing-borne flight. Same on the return side. In this case, you don't have to worry about the landing part.
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Posted: 3/9/2023 11:54:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I think Canada made some pressed cardboard suicide drones with a small warhead. Or Poland? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By planemaker: Probably lower than $500 depending on the specifics. The payload might actually cost more than the airframe at some point. I think Canada made some pressed cardboard suicide drones with a small warhead. Or Poland? An Australian outfit is selling cardboard suicide drones to Ukraine. It was mentioned earlier in the thread. The report seemed to indicate the airframe alone was around $5k which is ridiculous. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:01:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: The pictures looked like the pusher was electric as I didn't see any cylinder heads or exhaust pipes. The idea behind a quadplane is you don't have to have a pneumatic or similar large, heavy launcher. Just fire up the quad rotors, climb up a bit to get above obstacles, then transition to wing-borne flight. Same on the return side. In this case, you don't have to worry about the landing part. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By planemaker: The open source community has had this design for years now. It's referred to as a "quadplane". I've made and flown a couple different ones. The hard part is tuning the transition from the quad rotors to wing-borne flight. Given the size of the ones in the picture, I'm doubting the 150km range claim as it appears all electric. The vertical part of the flight chews up a lot of power. Very interesting. Is it possible that the horizontal prop is gas powered? I'm not sure if this "quadplane" is the best of both worlds or the worst... The pictures looked like the pusher was electric as I didn't see any cylinder heads or exhaust pipes. The idea behind a quadplane is you don't have to have a pneumatic or similar large, heavy launcher. Just fire up the quad rotors, climb up a bit to get above obstacles, then transition to wing-borne flight. Same on the return side. In this case, you don't have to worry about the landing part. It's all electric. https://www.swarmly.aero/h10-poseidon-vtol-uas |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:02:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: It’s worth bringing up what a massively, massively stupid idea the Iran nuke deal was. We fucked our traditional allies in the region in return for ego and PR points. Iran was NEVER going to honor their end of the deal. Not only that, we handed Russia leverage over the situation by holding Iran’s stockpile. Fucking morons! At least this administration seems to understand that and will not stand in the way of Israel doing what needs to be done. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: A little side track but, maybe Israel can hit a few drone and ballistic missile sites while they are at it.
It’s worth bringing up what a massively, massively stupid idea the Iran nuke deal was. We fucked our traditional allies in the region in return for ego and PR points. Iran was NEVER going to honor their end of the deal. Not only that, we handed Russia leverage over the situation by holding Iran’s stockpile. Fucking morons! At least this administration seems to understand that and will not stand in the way of Israel doing what needs to be done. Wasn’t that during Obama’s term with his Iranian born advisor Valerie Jarret? And “Dumbest dork in the room” Kerry as Sec State? Or was it “I haven’t worked a day in my life” Clinton? It was the most asinine agreement ever. They acted like they were Kissinger opening up China (which ended badly too). |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:11:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: I agree with the second part. I’d be mortified if I watched my son get the bullet despite groveling and begging. Still don’t think I’d knowingly sit down and watch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
But…why? I’d never watch that knowing it was my son. Even worse if I didn’t know, I guess. Fucking Russians. I would watch. I also would be proud to have raised such a man of honor, integrity, and courage. I agree with the second part. I’d be mortified if I watched my son get the bullet despite groveling and begging. Still don’t think I’d knowingly sit down and watch. Except he did not grovel and beg. Seriously saying that?! He stood there not a giving a fuck about the animals surrounding him. Casually smoked and Glory to Ukraine. Proud moment of honor standing before barbarians. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:30:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Except he did not grovel and beg. Seriously saying that?! He stood there not a giving a fuck about the animals surrounding him. Casually smoked and Glory to Ukraine. Proud moment of honor standing before barbarians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
But…why? I’d never watch that knowing it was my son. Even worse if I didn’t know, I guess. Fucking Russians. I would watch. I also would be proud to have raised such a man of honor, integrity, and courage. I agree with the second part. I’d be mortified if I watched my son get the bullet despite groveling and begging. Still don’t think I’d knowingly sit down and watch. Except he did not grovel and beg. Seriously saying that?! He stood there not a giving a fuck about the animals surrounding him. Casually smoked and Glory to Ukraine. Proud moment of honor standing before barbarians. No no, he was saying IF his kid did that. (As this guy obviously did NOT). |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:34:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Thread reader link here Rhymes with 1917… |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:38:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/i_ll-fuckin-do-it-again_jpg-2740054.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
LOL https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/i_ll-fuckin-do-it-again_jpg-2740054.JPG 1 million Marines and soldiers say thank you. At least that is what my Marine father said happened on Okinawa as they prepared to invade the main island in reference to canned sunshine a few months later. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:41:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Wagner getting ghosted
Guess who will be the sacrificial lamb at the post war criminal tribunals? Going to be pretty easy to offer up the Ghost of Bakhmut. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:44:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Boyars want some quid pro quo
 .   “Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs!” Potato tomato mafioso entrepreneur They all sound the same! |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:47:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AuNate: All they needed was telegram and twitter....people post stuff on trains rolling across the border everyday. You would think some opsec would be maintained, but not in today's me first Instagram world. (Also agree, if traitors tipped them off...they get the rope). I expect there's still a number of russian sympathizers who never left Ukraine. Rather than leaving those people just learned to keep their mouths shut. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:51:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Originally Posted By RockNwood: There seem to be two anti-Ukraine camps not counting the Russian shills: 1) broken spirits. So disillusioned with US govt they are anti-everything. No foreign involvement, 10%, fuck Europe, etc 2) Nuke panickers. They are frozen by Putin chanting Nuke Nuke Nuke. They have no solution but can only claim we can’t antagonize Putin becuz the Nukes. 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. Not wanting to be involved in a European conflict that will literally have no impact on my own country is kind of a big one but this thread is convinced if the mighty Russian army takes Ukraine then the dominos will fall and western Europe will be behind the iron curtain. This is the same Russian army that is constantly made fun of for being inept and incapable btw. Doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Seems much more about weird cold war fantasies than current reality. I was paid 200 rubles for this post btw. Glory to lord Putin or whatever. Just put my order in for war trinkets |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:55:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: Not wanting to be involved in a European conflict that will literally have no impact on my own country is kind of a big one but this thread is convinced if the mighty Russian army takes Ukraine then the dominos will fall and western Europe will be behind the iron curtain. This is the same Russian army that is constantly made fun of for being inept and incapable btw. Doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Seems much more about weird cold war fantasies than current reality. I was paid 200 rubles for this post btw. Glory to lord Putin or whatever. Just put my order in for war trinkets Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Originally Posted By RockNwood: There seem to be two anti-Ukraine camps not counting the Russian shills: 1) broken spirits. So disillusioned with US govt they are anti-everything. No foreign involvement, 10%, fuck Europe, etc 2) Nuke panickers. They are frozen by Putin chanting Nuke Nuke Nuke. They have no solution but can only claim we can’t antagonize Putin becuz the Nukes. 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. Not wanting to be involved in a European conflict that will literally have no impact on my own country is kind of a big one but this thread is convinced if the mighty Russian army takes Ukraine then the dominos will fall and western Europe will be behind the iron curtain. This is the same Russian army that is constantly made fun of for being inept and incapable btw. Doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Seems much more about weird cold war fantasies than current reality. I was paid 200 rubles for this post btw. Glory to lord Putin or whatever. Just put my order in for war trinkets Click |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:55:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Originally Posted By RockNwood: There seem to be two anti-Ukraine camps not counting the Russian shills: 1) broken spirits. So disillusioned with US govt they are anti-everything. No foreign involvement, 10%, fuck Europe, etc 2) Nuke panickers. They are frozen by Putin chanting Nuke Nuke Nuke. They have no solution but can only claim we can’t antagonize Putin becuz the Nukes. 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. Exactly. Yes our govt is a travesty but we still have to evaluate situations objectively and not knee jerk. I know Biden is supporting Ukraine reluctantly, but for whatever reason “the White House” tells him to do so. I don’t doubt somewhere down the line the US tries to fuck with Ukraine. That doesn’t change the fact Ukraine deserves support and by fortunate coincidence the US is doing so for now at least. 2. Yeah you youngsters who cut your teeth on GWOT, welcome to the fuckin’ rice fields of nuclear geopolitics. Find a desk and duck and cover! |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:57:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Click Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By mokerr: Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Originally Posted By RockNwood: There seem to be two anti-Ukraine camps not counting the Russian shills: 1) broken spirits. So disillusioned with US govt they are anti-everything. No foreign involvement, 10%, fuck Europe, etc 2) Nuke panickers. They are frozen by Putin chanting Nuke Nuke Nuke. They have no solution but can only claim we can’t antagonize Putin becuz the Nukes. 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. Not wanting to be involved in a European conflict that will literally have no impact on my own country is kind of a big one but this thread is convinced if the mighty Russian army takes Ukraine then the dominos will fall and western Europe will be behind the iron curtain. This is the same Russian army that is constantly made fun of for being inept and incapable btw. Doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Seems much more about weird cold war fantasies than current reality. I was paid 200 rubles for this post btw. Glory to lord Putin or whatever. Just put my order in for war trinkets Click You should go ahead and get me banned from the thread like anyone who dares question what we're doing. It seems to work. Echo chamber is nearly complete.  |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:02:10 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: Not wanting to be involved in a European conflict that will literally have no impact on my own country is kind of a big one but this thread is convinced if the mighty Russian army takes Ukraine then the dominos will fall and western Europe will be behind the iron curtain. This is the same Russian army that is constantly made fun of for being inept and incapable btw. Doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Seems much more about weird cold war fantasies than current reality. I was paid 200 rubles for this post btw. Glory to lord Putin or whatever. Just put my order in for war trinkets The fact that we are involved now is why russian troops are not all over Ukraine. Their military is massive compared to the small defense-only army of Ukraine. And russian government officials have leaked that Ukraine is a stepping stone and they will tangle with nato countries eventually. If russia is not stopped in Ukraine, we will be much closer to WW3. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:06:50 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: Not wanting to be involved in a European conflict that will literally have no impact on my own country is kind of a big one but this thread is convinced if the mighty Russian army takes Ukraine then the dominos will fall and western Europe will be behind the iron curtain. This is the same Russian army that is constantly made fun of for being inept and incapable btw. Doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Seems much more about weird cold war fantasies than current reality. I was paid 200 rubles for this post btw. Glory to lord Putin or whatever. Just put my order in for war trinkets Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Originally Posted By RockNwood: There seem to be two anti-Ukraine camps not counting the Russian shills: 1) broken spirits. So disillusioned with US govt they are anti-everything. No foreign involvement, 10%, fuck Europe, etc 2) Nuke panickers. They are frozen by Putin chanting Nuke Nuke Nuke. They have no solution but can only claim we can’t antagonize Putin becuz the Nukes. 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. Not wanting to be involved in a European conflict that will literally have no impact on my own country is kind of a big one but this thread is convinced if the mighty Russian army takes Ukraine then the dominos will fall and western Europe will be behind the iron curtain. This is the same Russian army that is constantly made fun of for being inept and incapable btw. Doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Seems much more about weird cold war fantasies than current reality. I was paid 200 rubles for this post btw. Glory to lord Putin or whatever. Just put my order in for war trinkets A drunken idiot with a machine gun, a couple reloads, and a few hand grenades could cause a bit of a tussle in a nice neighborhood, no? But hey, as long as he isn't aiming any of that directly at your house, all good! 
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:07:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: You should go ahead and get me banned from the thread like anyone who dares question what we're doing. It seems to work. Echo chamber is nearly complete. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By mokerr: Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Originally Posted By RockNwood: There seem to be two anti-Ukraine camps not counting the Russian shills: 1) broken spirits. So disillusioned with US govt they are anti-everything. No foreign involvement, 10%, fuck Europe, etc 2) Nuke panickers. They are frozen by Putin chanting Nuke Nuke Nuke. They have no solution but can only claim we can’t antagonize Putin becuz the Nukes. 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. Not wanting to be involved in a European conflict that will literally have no impact on my own country is kind of a big one but this thread is convinced if the mighty Russian army takes Ukraine then the dominos will fall and western Europe will be behind the iron curtain. This is the same Russian army that is constantly made fun of for being inept and incapable btw. Doesn't make much sense if you think about it. Seems much more about weird cold war fantasies than current reality. I was paid 200 rubles for this post btw. Glory to lord Putin or whatever. Just put my order in for war trinkets Click You should go ahead and get me banned from the thread like anyone who dares question what we're doing. It seems to work. Echo chamber is nearly complete. What questions do you have? We can work through this. 
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:08:28 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Originally Posted By RockNwood: There seem to be two anti-Ukraine camps not counting the Russian shills: 1) broken spirits. So disillusioned with US govt they are anti-everything. No foreign involvement, 10%, fuck Europe, etc 2) Nuke panickers. They are frozen by Putin chanting Nuke Nuke Nuke. They have no solution but can only claim we can’t antagonize Putin becuz the Nukes. 1. I certainly understand how it would be easy to get disillusioned with the U.S. gov. 2. Well, growing up, my default assumption was the Russians would nuke us, so that part doesn't bother me at all. I’ll go a bit farther and suggest that 1) has a fair number of people who consider the other side of the aisle their literal enemies and fantasize about the day they can start shooting their neighbors. There has been more than a little of that on this site. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:11:39 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: That was not a JDAM-ER. What ever it was came in so fast that it wasn't visible in the video. 250 pound SDBs can be seen on video as they hit a target, so a 500 pound or larger JDAM-ER would definitely show up in the video if that was one. Here is low resolution video of SDB strikes where they can easily be seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_neBSX7BGQAnd South Korea's 500 pound KGGB can easily be seen at the 4:44 point in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7oeu3_syQQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: Originally Posted By Capta: Reported to be the first JDAM-ER attack in Ukraine: https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/11m9xex/reportedly_the_first_use_of_jdamer_in_ukraine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 That was not a JDAM-ER. What ever it was came in so fast that it wasn't visible in the video. 250 pound SDBs can be seen on video as they hit a target, so a 500 pound or larger JDAM-ER would definitely show up in the video if that was one. Here is low resolution video of SDB strikes where they can easily be seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_neBSX7BGQAnd South Korea's 500 pound KGGB can easily be seen at the 4:44 point in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7oeu3_syQI haven’t examined the video frame by frame to check, but Ukraine is well-known to edit videos to conceal the method. Removing a couple of frames where the weaspon was visible might not be noticeable. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:11:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
[#38]
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:36:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
[#39]
That one got close:
https://t.me/spook_boys/4555 Ukraine says LPR/DPR will mobilize 17-year-olds soon: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/9/7392696/ Estonia receives permission from Finland to re-export their artillery and ammo. Estonia sending all its artillery to Ukraine: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/9/7392696/ Nice view: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/11n50hu/ma_deuce_with_a_perfect_line_of_fire_height_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 More British IFVs arrive: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/25-fv103-and-fv432-armored-vehicles-arrived-in-ukraine/ Nice view: https://youtu.be/5zx38pf7_vw Rich British dude donates his collection of 3 APCs to the Ukrainian Army: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/25-fv103-and-fv432-armored-vehicles-arrived-in-ukraine/ |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:41:56 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Wasn’t that during Obama’s term with his Iranian born advisor Valerie Jarret? And “Dumbest dork in the room” Kerry as Sec State? Or was it “I haven’t worked a day in my life” Clinton? It was the most asinine agreement ever. They acted like they were Kissinger opening up China (which ended badly too). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: A little side track but, maybe Israel can hit a few drone and ballistic missile sites while they are at it.
It’s worth bringing up what a massively, massively stupid idea the Iran nuke deal was. We fucked our traditional allies in the region in return for ego and PR points. Iran was NEVER going to honor their end of the deal. Not only that, we handed Russia leverage over the situation by holding Iran’s stockpile. Fucking morons! At least this administration seems to understand that and will not stand in the way of Israel doing what needs to be done. Wasn’t that during Obama’s term with his Iranian born advisor Valerie Jarret? And “Dumbest dork in the room” Kerry as Sec State? Or was it “I haven’t worked a day in my life” Clinton? It was the most asinine agreement ever. They acted like they were Kissinger opening up China (which ended badly too). So, while I agree with your assessment of the effectiveness of the actions, I'd say this: If those actions were taken in the hope of a different outcome, I'd call it naive, but I'd support it. You have a few choices in life. Almost a binary one. You can either start from a position of hope, or you can start from a position of pessimism. Eventually, humankind has to lift itself out of the sewer, out of the shit we swim in, that we've been paddling in for many thousands of generations. Or we can go extinct, wallowing in our own filth. If part of lifting ourselves out of the shit is being ruthless opponents of enemies that have no regard for human decency, life, honor, etc., well, I'll support that as well. I am guessing that getting out of this shit will take centuries. In the meantime, I wish we were giving aid to Ukraine faster. I wish we were destroying the cancer that is Russia, and China, faster. I can wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which fills up first. Which, at the end of the day, I guess makes me a pessimist. But I'd like to be hopeful for the future. Slava Ukraini. Heroyam Slava. Have we heard from @Easterner yet? I fall behind in the thread. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:46:52 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kagetora: So, while I agree with your assessment of the effectiveness of the actions, I'd say this: If those actions were taken in the hope of a different outcome, I'd call it naive, but I'd support it. You have a few choices in life. Almost a binary one. You can either start from a position of hope, or you can start from a position of pessimism. Eventually, humankind has to lift itself out of the sewer, out of the shit we swim in, that we've been paddling in for many thousands of generations. Or we can go extinct, wallowing in our own filth. If part of lifting ourselves out of the shit is being ruthless opponents of enemies that have no regard for human decency, life, honor, etc., well, I'll support that as well. I am guessing that getting out of this shit will take centuries. In the meantime, I wish we were giving aid to Ukraine faster. I wish we were destroying the cancer that is Russia, and China, faster. I can wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which fills up first. Which, at the end of the day, I guess makes me a pessimist. But I'd like to be hopeful for the future. Slava Ukraini. Heroyam Slava. Have we heard from @Easterner yet? I fall behind in the thread. Reporting for duty @Kagetora 
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:47:10 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: You should go ahead and get me banned from the thread like anyone who dares question what we're doing. It seems to work. Echo chamber is nearly complete. People get banned from this thread because they show up to deliberately shit in it. The purpose of this thread is intended to be updates/events/news on the conflict, not constant shitposting and pissing matches. It’s no different than any other thread where some asshat shows up to derail it. Don’t like it? Start your own thread. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:51:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: Easterner]
[#43]
 Attached FileMarch 9th attack locations: Green target is a successful air defense intercept Flame is a strike  Attached FileThe blast I heard at 6am yesterday wasn't very far from us. Here's a picture from the yacht club park on the Dnieper river. These little houses sit on the water and most were still under construction. Windows blown out in that area of town.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:54:20 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Reporting for duty @Kagetora Superb. Awesomesauce. Thank you for checking in.
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Posted: 3/10/2023 2:44:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230310_084936_jpg-2740220.JPG March 9th attack locations https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230310_085029_jpg-2740221.JPG The blast I heard at 6am yesterday wasn't very far from us. Here's a picture from the yacht club park on the Dnieper river. These little houses sit on the water and most were still under construction. Windows blown out in that area from an interception. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/Screenshot_2023-03-10-02-00-39-209_com_i-2740225.JPG On the attack map, are the symbols with the flame representing actual hits whereas the green target circles indicate attempted attacks that were intercepted, or otherwise missed their targets? |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 2:48:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: On the attack map, are the symbols with the flame representing actual hits whereas the green target circles indicate attempted attacks that were intercepted, or otherwise missed their targets? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230310_084936_jpg-2740220.JPG March 9th attack locations https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230310_085029_jpg-2740221.JPG The blast I heard at 6am yesterday wasn't very far from us. Here's a picture from the yacht club park on the Dnieper river. These little houses sit on the water and most were still under construction. Windows blown out in that area from an interception. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/Screenshot_2023-03-10-02-00-39-209_com_i-2740225.JPG On the attack map, are the symbols with the flame representing actual hits whereas the green target circles indicate attempted attacks that were intercepted, or otherwise missed their targets? Targets are air defense intercepts Flame is a strike |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 2:55:35 AM EST
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Thanks. It looks like the air defenses in the western part of the country were incredibly effective, much more so than in the southern, central or eastern portions of the country. I would assume that is because the Orcs use lots of S-300 missiles (which are incredibly hard to intercept) in these areas in ground attack mode.
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Posted: 3/10/2023 3:24:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
[#48]
Here’s a couple of long Youtube educational videos. Worth watching both in their entirety if you have time. I’ve tried to summarize below.
The first is an overview of where Putin’s political philosophy comes from. It isn’t Dugin, who is represented as a plaigerer. 1) Ivan Ilyin, Russian fascist political philosopher with a wash of (false) Christianity. 2) Lev Gumilev, a marxist antisemite quack with geologic/climatic/astrological arguments for why Russia really extends into Europe and is destined to rule the world. 3) Carl Schmidt, Nazi political philosopher who argued for total, lawless power concentrated in the hands of the leader, for “Spheres of influence” (where have we heard that?) and for exercising naked power to force the west to abandon or make exceptions to its ideals, thus showing the west to be hypocritical and destroying its moral fiber.  The Ideology of Putin's Russia The second is a talk by Timothy Snyder, less about the specifics of the war or even genocide and more about the moral implications vis a vis the West. I put these two videos together because a lot of Snyder’s talk implicitly addresses the Nazi methodology of Carl Schmidt being employed by Putin and Russia against the west. That is, the war is a lawless challenge to the ideology, culture, and history of the west to say, effectively “We (Russia) have the power to remake Europe and remake your history however we want. We will show your ideals are false at the point of a gun.” At one point, Snyder is asked how the west benefitted from Ukrainian resistance. He didn’t say “because it gave us precious time to arm the fuck up against China.” He said “because it gave us the time to reflect on what the west stands for, and the chance to act on it. If you watch the top video first you will have a better idea what Snyder is getting at and why, because he doesn’t actually name Schmidt in this video.  Failed To Load Title IMO watching these two videos will give you a much better idea of the ideological foundations of this war and why Putin/Russia is doing what they are doing against Ukraine and the world. If anything it paints a more dire picture of the situation than one might think. Anyone who thinks that Russian actions in Ukraine don’t concern us should watch these videos. In fact Putin’s actions are ultimately more directed at the west than Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 3:30:21 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Here’s a couple of long Youtube educational videos. Worth watching both in their entirety if you have time. I’ve tried to summarize below. The first is an overview of where Putin’s political philosophy comes from. It isn’t Dugin, who is represented as a plaigerer. 1) Ivan Ilyin, Russian fascist political philosopher with a wash of (false) Christianity. 2) Lev Gumilev, a marxist antisemite quack with geologic/climatic/astrological arguments for why Russia really extends into Europe and is destined to rule the world. 3) Carl Schmidt, Nazi political philosopher who argued for total, lawless power concentrated in the hands of the leader, for “Spheres of influence” (where have we heard that?) and for exercising naked power to force the west to abandon or make exceptions to its ideals, thus showing the west to be hypocritical and destroying its moral fiber. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdFtqa54TuMThe second is a talk by Timothy Snyder, less about the specifics of the war or even genocide and more about the moral implications vis a vis the West. I put these two videos together because a lot of Snyder’s talk implicitly addresses the Nazi methodology of Carl Schmidt being employed by Putin and Russia against the west. That is, the war is a lawless challenge to the ideology, culture, and history of the west to say, effectively “We (Russia) have the power to remake Europe and remake your history however we want. We will show your ideals are false at the point of a gun.” At one point, Snyder is asked how the west benefitted from Ukrainian resistance. He didn’t say “because it gave us precious time to arm the fuck up against China.” He said “because it gave us the time to reflect on what the west stands for, and the chance to act on it. If you watch the top video first you will have a better idea what Snyder is getting at and why, because he doesn’t actually name Schmidt in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbT6v5GbGJIIMO watching these two videos will give you a much better idea of the ideological foundations of this war and why Putin/Russia is doing what they are doing against Ukraine and the world. If anything it paints a more dire picture of the situation than one might think. Anyone who thinks that Russian actions in Ukraine don’t concern us should watch these videos. In fact Putin’s actions are ultimately more directed at the west than Ukraine. I've seen that kraut video (he's got alot of good stuff). Hadn't seen the other one tho. Thanks |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 4:06:33 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: There seem to be two anti-Ukraine camps not counting the Russian shills: 1) broken spirits. So disillusioned with US govt they are anti-everything. No foreign involvement, 10%, fuck Europe, etc 2) Nuke panickers. They are frozen by Putin chanting Nuke Nuke Nuke. They have no solution but can only claim we can’t antagonize Putin becuz the Nukes. I'm going to have to agree with that. |
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