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Posted: 3/19/2023 3:32:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI knew we were expecting some good armor numbers for the day, those are awesome! I wonder what the model breakdown of the tanks was. I hope it was mostly their modern stuff like T80 and T90. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 5:19:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 5:21:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 5:34:35 AM EDT
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 Attached Filestart the clock boys |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 5:37:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 5:40:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Well since they said "really serious" is that supposed to helps us believe that more? Hahahaha. If they were really serious they would be packing up all there shit inside Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 5:40:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 5:51:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 6:29:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Don’t commercial aircraft have to have some sort of internationally accepted maintenance certification to operate on most countries? If they are lying about it then they may all get uncertified for fraud? Most countries won't allow them to land or accept flight plans if the maintenance isn't current. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 6:32:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 6:50:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
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Posted: 3/19/2023 7:12:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
It may seem funny that some are talking of arresting Putin. Of course, he would never allow himself to be put in that situation if he was still president . Although unlikely, imagine a situation where Putin is overthrown in a coup and arrested by the new Russian government. Putin could be "extradited" to Europe as part of some kind of peace treaty if the new government was friendly to the West. You never know, the last 3 years have been full of events that seemed very unlikely just a few years ago. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 7:19:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DouglasQuaid: It may seem funny that some are talking of arresting Putin. Of course, he would never allow himself to be put in that situation if he was still president . Although unlikely, imagine a situation where Putin is overthrown in a coup and arrested by the new Russian government. Putin could be "extradited" to Europe as part of some kind of peace treaty if the new government was friendly to the West. You never know, the last 3 years have been full of events that seemed very unlikely just a few years ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DouglasQuaid: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
It may seem funny that some are talking of arresting Putin. Of course, he would never allow himself to be put in that situation if he was still president . Although unlikely, imagine a situation where Putin is overthrown in a coup and arrested by the new Russian government. Putin could be "extradited" to Europe as part of some kind of peace treaty if the new government was friendly to the West. You never know, the last 3 years have been full of events that seemed very unlikely just a few years ago. Something to hope for anyway. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 7:19:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DouglasQuaid: It may seem funny that some are talking of arresting Putin. Of course, he would never allow himself to be put in that situation if he was still president . Although unlikely, imagine a situation where Putin is overthrown in a coup and arrested by the new Russian government. Putin could be "extradited" to Europe as part of some kind of peace treaty if the new government was friendly to the West. You never know, the last 3 years have been full of events that seemed very unlikely just a few years ago. That would be a plausible move for a new RU government and one that solves several problems for them. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 7:24:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fisherman: That would be a plausible move for a new RU government and one that solves several problems for them. It sure would get the peace process going, wouldn't it? Hundreds of millions of people globally would love to see Putin marched to the gallows. Of course, the Ukrainians would want more than that in a peace deal, such as reparations to which it would be a tall order for Russia. Maybe something like at cost oil and gas for the next 20 years could be considered. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 7:31:13 AM EDT
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A summary from last night.
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Posted: 3/19/2023 7:31:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Those BBC numbers are total bullshit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This goes back months. It's how the BBC and Mediazona are counting the KIA. They actually have to find an actual death record in a local newspaper for example. See here for reference of an earlier count on March 3rd. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/bbc-confirms-death-over-16-195014336.html https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/02/13/mediazona-and-bbc-news-russian-publish-further-figures-on-russia-s-losses-in-ukraine Those BBC numbers are total bullshit. You said it so clearly!  But yeah, that was my point as well. I actually believe the Ukrainian tally is the most accurate seeing how they count each body in a field from drones and get call in reports behind the lines of casualties going onto trucks.
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Posted: 3/19/2023 7:35:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:09:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:10:11 AM EDT
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”Prigozhin loses ties with Russian officials in the regions, in the Krasnodar Territory they refuse to bury the dead "Wagnerians" — Institute for the Study of War (ISW). In particular, according to Prigozhin, the Goryachy Klyuch authorities in the Krasnodar Territory refused to hide mercenaries in the city. The mayor of the city, Serhii Belopolskyi, said that local residents do not consider the Goryachy Klyuch resort "an appropriate place for the burial of Wagner's fighters." Prigozhin also made public a telephone conversation in which Belopolsky told a representative of the PMC that the governor of the Krasnodar region, Veniamin Kondratiev, had deprived him of his authority to cooperate with "Wagner". Wagner's servicemen also released a video message with threats to the local administration, in which they claimed that they would "personally solve the issue" with the administration if it did not respond to the appeal. Since Wagner's mercenaries previously used training and burial sites in the Krasnodar region without objection from the local authorities, the current situation may indicate that Prigozhin's previous long-term arrangements with the regional authorities are now rapidly weakening. Previously, he already quarreled with the officials of St. Petersburg due to the similar refusal of the latter to bury the dead mercenaries in the same cemetery with ordinary Russian soldiers, ISW notes. ZN.UA” ”A curious situation is developing in the balneological resort town of Goryachy Klyuch in Krasnodar Krai, Russia, between the town's administration and PMC Wagner. The town's administration denied the previously approved request for the group to bury mercenaries killed in Ukraine, claiming that the journalists who come to report on the burial are ruining the image of the resort and its direct leadership. Earlier, Prigozhin published several audio messaging condemning the town administration. And today, GREY ZONE, Prigozhin's mouthpiece Telegram channel posted this video with alleged Wagner mercenaries addressing the town administration. As you can see, they use rather intimidating language.” |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:11:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:16:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:21:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:23:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:31:08 AM EDT
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ill see if I can get the underlying FT article (paywall). My sub lapsed and I don’t feel like paying $40/month |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:32:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:34:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DouglasQuaid: It may seem funny that some are talking of arresting Putin. Of course, he would never allow himself to be put in that situation if he was still president . Although unlikely, imagine a situation where Putin is overthrown in a coup and arrested by the new Russian government. Putin could be "extradited" to Europe as part of some kind of peace treaty if the new government was friendly to the West. You never know, the last 3 years have been full of events that seemed very unlikely just a few years ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DouglasQuaid: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
It may seem funny that some are talking of arresting Putin. Of course, he would never allow himself to be put in that situation if he was still president . Although unlikely, imagine a situation where Putin is overthrown in a coup and arrested by the new Russian government. Putin could be "extradited" to Europe as part of some kind of peace treaty if the new government was friendly to the West. You never know, the last 3 years have been full of events that seemed very unlikely just a few years ago. If there's a coup in the Kremlin, big if, Putin is going to end up falling from a window. He's much too dangerous for anyone to keep around, regardless of who the new leader is. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:48:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:49:25 AM EDT
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edit, old footage.
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:50:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swede1986: If there's a coup in the Kremlin, big if, Putin is going to end up falling from a window. He's much too dangerous for anyone to keep around, regardless of who the new leader is. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:51:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:53:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
A normal Russian tank company is 8-12 tanks. I say about, because nominally 9-10, but with staffing and shortages that is not reliable. 24 tanks (at the highest imagined number) would be one suicide charge into Vuhledar. One. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 8:58:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
That’s not Mariupol. Can’t be, |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:02:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:05:05 AM EDT
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Video is just a Ukrainian drone counting confirmed Russian kills in an area.
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:20:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I think Turkey's change in posture is a signal to Hungary as well...just watch... |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:25:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Don’t commercial aircraft have to have some sort of internationally accepted maintenance certification to operate on most countries? If they are lying about it then they may all get uncertified for fraud? They have lost their certifications already ... Russian aircraft can't really fly anywhere that would actually care about the certs ... they pretty much only fly into places now that are Russian friendly ... |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:28:21 AM EDT
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Mortars.
more mortars.
7 hrs ago:
Thermal drone assisted mortars or artillery at night.
Moar mortars, then they bomb you with drones once your pinned down.
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:35:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Oh, so good of you to notice a major war against a peaceful nation had started in Europe. {checks watch} About a year ago.  Gen. Keane is right; the administration is so timid it's incapable of real leadership or action. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:37:41 AM EDT
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A nice thread to give you an idea of how various anti tank guided missiles work with their guidance systems.
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:47:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:52:27 AM EDT
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Interview with Czech foreign minister on their perspective of support for Ukraine.
By the way, it's worth scrolling down on that and reading replies. Lots of anti-western hate in there.
and here's one citing an honest-to-goodness Communist magazine:
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Posted: 3/19/2023 9:56:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: You have to remember, there is profit in opposing war/militarism in American Politics. It has always been this way; the first President to get elected by promising to cut Defense spending and "keep us out of Foreign Conflicts" was Thomas Jefferson, who criticized John Adams for getting the US involved in the "Quasi-War" with France and promised to cut the US Navy down to a gunboat-equipped coast defense force. In both Trump and DeSantis's calculations, they will not have to make any binding policy decisions regarding Ukraine, they can say anything they want (within Reason) but not have to take any concrete actions for at least 21 months This is an eternity in both Warfare and Politics. To put this in perspective, 21 months is roughly half of the US Participation of the US in WWII, 3/5ths of the Korean War and the Mexican-American War, 4/5ths of the War of 1812, and longer than the US Participation in WWI, Desert Storm, The War of 1898, the Boxer Rebellion, etc. So, it is not only a good idea to blow "hot/cold" on the Ukraine War, it is almost an imperative. Remember as well that, between the parties, proportionally a lot more Republican-leaning parents got to send their sons and daughters to war in Iraq and Afghanistan than from the Prep schools in the tony suburbs and the DC areas. Also, among Republicans there is an element of Payback and Opportunity; Payback to the Democrats dating back to the time of Nixon for all the times that Republicans were painted as warmongers and killers for executing wars that were often declared on a bipartisan basis. Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, etc, made serious hay blaming George Bush for both 9/11 and the resulting wars (giving the Clintons, the Deep State/Intelligence Agencies, the INS, and and virtually everyone else a pass) The Republican's goal is to do to the Democrats what was done to the Republicans in the 2005-08 period, while promising Joel and Molly Burger in Zanesville, Ohio that they will "solve" this Ukraine thing so their son in the Marines won't get sent to fight in Ukraine and won't end up like their older son who had some problems settling back to something approaching a "normal" life after his tours in Kandahar and Al Anbar. Further, look at all the stuff that the Democrats extorted from the Bush II administration during the later stages once the war became unpopular. In their world, the war will either be nearly over (one way or the other) or hopelessly stalemated by the time they have to make any binding decisions, and knowing the Biden maladministration will clearly screw this up in some way, they would literally be trusting Joe Biden to do the right thing in Ukraine, and not taking all the credit. So, it would be political malpractice for anyone who will potentially face Joe Biden in the 2024 election to support the "Slow Joe Slow Roll" policy, where we send billions to keep the war going but not the right assets to win it effectively. That is a very likely possibility of DeSantis's motives (and possibly Trump's). Effectively you are saying that they are able to take this position without having to own the consequences on a topic that will likey change significantly by the time either would have to deal with it (along with public perceptions). Unfortunately the consequence of the leaders of the party staking out this position at this time is it makes the passage or support in the house of further aid much more difficult (indeed the congressmen will appear to be going against the potential future leadership). This has real consequences in the current and near future that could dramatically impact the outcome of this war. The amount of money we are spending seems like a lot to most but Colin Kahl has described the real tradeoffs that are having to be made (Feb 24, 2023 War on the Rocks podcast, Feb 28, 2023 House Armed Services hearing). There are those in congress that are pressuring to do "more" such as F16 - which I think that is great as long as they also pass separate funds to pay for it, but it can't be at the expense of ammo/missiles and immediate critical needs for Ukraine (estimates I've seen is current authorization will likely be burned down by summer with just these most critical needs). I honestly think money for F16's would be better spent ramping faster the industrial base (similar to operation warp speed where contractual guarantees were in place to derisk investments by industry) - I think this could have more of a deterrent impact on both Russia and China. It is disappointing to see how slowly Europe is reacting as well - i.e. France arguing over whether EU funds can be used to purchase shells made outside of EU, etc. I agree there should be incentivization of the EU manufacturing base but not at the expense of speed to get munitions to Ukraine. I do think we've had too much discussion of politics and side topics in this otherwise very informative thread. That said, I think a clinical discussion of the potential motivation and consequences of politician's stances (possibly 2nd or 3rd order impacts) on this topic does have a (limited) place. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 10:00:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I haven't given China's roll in this much thought.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTdvuyaIFiYThe skeptic in me has learned never judge a politician by his words, but by his actions. Since it's very easy for china to hide lethal aid to russia, I say they probably are to some degree. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 10:01:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: First principle: the US remains unique in the world for guarantees of freedom. You can say we don't live up to our founding documents and our government has gone astray from our principles. But that IS a core principle for this country, and we should find common cause with all people everywhere who aspire to our values - self-rule, liberty, equal justice, government accountable to its people. Second principle: an international order that is stable and allows free trade and travel without coercion, where self-rule is preserved, is an order that fosters peace and relative prosperity for all. An order where the strong are free to prey upon the weak reduces peace and prosperity for all, and makes everyone more vulnerable, even in strong nations. Both these principles argue for US support of Ukraine. We can argue over what support is right, how much is enough. But to deny that there should be any US support is to deny both those principles. Also well stated. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 10:03:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2023 10:05:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: And Steven Seagal, who considers himself Russian "by a million percent", today not only participated in the opening of the All-Russian Aikido Center in Moscow, but also grieved that Russian is still difficult for him, but he is working on this issue. He also noted that nothing surprises him in Russia and stressed that "the most beautiful thing about it is the people of Russia." Well, how can you not agree with him? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/00C78747-B2B7-4522-887D-7CD023541A13-2751153.jpg https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/23369 In celebration of Seagal's recent career and astonishing weight gain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzIHyF7UWY4 |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 10:08:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
They are not prepared for really serious propositions. To start with, they would have to accept the treaties they signed with Ukraine in the 90s respecting Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. IOW, they'd have to leave ALL of Ukraine, including Crimea. They'd have to accept Ukraine's eventual membership in NATO. General PavelFella (@AlesNovis) March 18, 2023 |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 10:11:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
"Prigozhin loses ties with Russian officials in the regions, in the Krasnodar Territory they refuse to bury the dead "Wagnerians" Institute for the Study of War (ISW). In particular, according to Prigozhin, the Goryachy Klyuch authorities in the Krasnodar Territory refused to hide mercenaries in the city. The mayor of the city, Serhii Belopolskyi, said that local residents do not consider the Goryachy Klyuch resort "an appropriate place for the burial of Wagner's fighters." Prigozhin also made public a telephone conversation in which Belopolsky told a representative of the PMC that the governor of the Krasnodar region, Veniamin Kondratiev, had deprived him of his authority to cooperate with "Wagner". Wagner's servicemen also released a video message with threats to the local administration, in which they claimed that they would "personally solve the issue" with the administration if it did not respond to the appeal. Since Wagner's mercenaries previously used training and burial sites in the Krasnodar region without objection from the local authorities, the current situation may indicate that Prigozhin's previous long-term arrangements with the regional authorities are now rapidly weakening. Previously, he already quarreled with the officials of St. Petersburg due to the similar refusal of the latter to bury the dead mercenaries in the same cemetery with ordinary Russian soldiers, ISW notes. ZN.UA" "A curious situation is developing in the balneological resort town of Goryachy Klyuch in Krasnodar Krai, Russia, between the town's administration and PMC Wagner. The town's administration denied the previously approved request for the group to bury mercenaries killed in Ukraine, claiming that the journalists who come to report on the burial are ruining the image of the resort and its direct leadership. Earlier, Prigozhin published several audio messaging condemning the town administration. And today, GREY ZONE, Prigozhin's mouthpiece Telegram channel posted this video with alleged Wagner mercenaries addressing the town administration. As you can see, they use rather intimidating language." There's confirmation for the argument I've made since the beginning: All it takes to be accused of being a Nazi is to tell them no. Not only that, they had people who identified as Nazis in the Duma. Also include the Nationalist Bolshevik party that their fringe leftists and right wingers came together to form supports the war.    |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 10:15:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: I think for or against his views, the most important issue is that his time has passed. 2016 = He was the only one who could have beat Hillary (and what a glory that was) 2020 = He was the only one who could have lost against Biden, who barely even campaigned and had no enthusiasm 2024 = I suspect again he would be the only one who would lose against Biden, because his brand has just become so Toxic + the magic is gone Yep. I will be voting against him in the primary. Voted for him twice. That is enough. |
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