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Posted: 5/12/2023 7:54:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: merick]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Biden Family et al got money from Russian oligarchs. A few mil. iirc. That was for "minor issues" not related to this war like lifting sanctions and Nordstream II which Biden greenlighted on day one (just after shutting down our pipeline) But it was NOT money well spent since the invasion superseded all that. I do wonder if Biden is more worried about Russian military escalation or revealing dirty secrets "escalation". Anyway Biden is making decisions about Ukraine like I make decisions about my wife spending money... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Absolutely. It is ironic that the 10% Boys harp on Biden and Ukraine when it was Biden getting 10% from the oil oligarchs who arose from the rubble of USSR. Ukraine was trying to investigate and prosecute Burisma (therefore Hunter). So Biden is much more corrupted by Russia oligarchs snd oil (notice he stopped domestic oil expansion and started buying Russian oil?). Nothing to do with Ukraine. In fact I believe he holds a personal grudge against Ukraine. Some of GD is just retarded when it comes to Biden. Biden Family et al got money from Russian oligarchs. A few mil. iirc. That was for "minor issues" not related to this war like lifting sanctions and Nordstream II which Biden greenlighted on day one (just after shutting down our pipeline) But it was NOT money well spent since the invasion superseded all that. I do wonder if Biden is more worried about Russian military escalation or revealing dirty secrets "escalation". Anyway Biden is making decisions about Ukraine like I make decisions about my wife spending money... Evidently some oligarchs got sanctioned and some didn't. https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/jean-pierre-wont-say-why-hunter-biden-linked-russian-oligarchs-arent-sanctioned/https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnhyatt/2022/04/07/these-50-russian-oligarch-billionaires-havent-been-sanctioned/ |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 7:55:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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Posted: 5/12/2023 7:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: If it's worth sending an ATACM it's worth sending A MOAB.  I wonder why we don't have something along the lines of a conventional warhead pershing 2 in the works. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 7:56:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: A10s are slow and won't be able to toss JDAMs or glide bombs nearly as far, so they would need to close into SHORAD/MANPADS range where they would get chewed to pieces before they could launch their weapons in situations where an F16 would be able to stand off a bit further. Also, an A10 can't effectively defend itself against enemy fighters like an F16 can. F16s are not in short supply, there are a lot more of them than A10s, and they are operated by many nations around the world that have an interest in supporting Ukraine. The irreplaceable resource in this situation is Ukrainian pilots, so putting them in a less survivable aircraft like the A10 just doesn't make sense. ^ Right answer. I spoke with an A-10 pilot in Germany for exercises years ago. He recognized that the time for the A-10 had come and gone. Mentioned that attack helicopters are much more effective in a contested environment. They can hover behind a hill or trees, pop up and take out a tank or position, then drop back down for protection. He wasn't very optimistic that he would survive long in the environment we now see in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:00:56 PM EDT
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Has the US ever put HARM seekers into the stealthy cruise missiles?
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:02:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Finslayer83]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: I wonder why we don't have something along the lines of a conventional warhead pershing 2 in the works. Pershing II was a bad mofo. That and GLCM. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:02:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Can it mimmic a F-14 Tomcat with Danger Zone playing in the cockpit? If you get the MALD to imitate a 737, 747, or airbus russia will fire every Sam system in theatre at it out of habit |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:05:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: If you get the MALD to imitate a 737, 747, or airbus russia will fire every Sam system in theatre at it out of habit Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Can it mimmic a F-14 Tomcat with Danger Zone playing in the cockpit? If you get the MALD to imitate a 737, 747, or airbus russia will fire every Sam system in theatre at it out of habit  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:07:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: A-10. We should give them to Ukraine since they are being retired from service. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By 74HC: Quite true. It's hard to separate objective analysis from those subjectively giving their opinion because they don't support Ukraine. There's not many MIG-29s left to give. So something else needs to be given. In terms of surplus, I don't think anything can match the F-16. A-10. We should give them to Ukraine since they are being retired from service. They don’t want them and it would be a terrible fit for the situation. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:11:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:13:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:16:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat is excellent! 20 armored vehicles per month refurbished. Can include thermal sights. All inside Ukraine. Hopefully all the plants inside Ukraine and nearby in other countries can keep a steady stream of armor flowing to the front. Die Russia , die! |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:19:01 PM EDT
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 https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-is-preparing-for-drone-attacks-by-dropping-training-grenades-on-its-troops |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:19:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Saw elsewhere that it was an HRIM-2 strike. RU sign-man was in the photo. Didn't look like there was any urgency to rescue anyone from under the rubble. ETA
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:20:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Ukraine would strap a fee hundred drones on it and drop it on a trench Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By ludder093: The problem would be delivery. I don't think they're flying a cargo plane over a combat zone "Duct tape" an old one together and could be cheaper than most other long range missiles. launch a 1000 drone distraction and go for it. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:24:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Deleted due to better info.
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:27:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Can it mimmic a F-14 Tomcat with Danger Zone playing in the cockpit? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Haub: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fv8VUmuWAA4ljem?format=png&name=900x900
Never saw that one coming. Here we are in 2022/23, with Ukrainian Fencers or maybe Flankers tricked out with high tech western NATO missiles to hit back at rossiya. Epic. I would love to know what these were simulating if this is true.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZyL-zEoMfMThey should have it mimicking a B-52!!  Can it mimmic a F-14 Tomcat with Danger Zone playing in the cockpit? It can even mimic it inverted! |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:30:41 PM EDT
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Re: Ukraine's shoot down of a Kinzhal last week...
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:32:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/114465/Fv9GoSTX0A0sNHC_jpeg-2814729.JPG 
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:34:40 PM EDT
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A-10 has glide bomb capability. 40 mile range
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:34:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By merick: Evidently some oligarchs got sanctioned and some didn't. https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/jean-pierre-wont-say-why-hunter-biden-linked-russian-oligarchs-arent-sanctioned/https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnhyatt/2022/04/07/these-50-russian-oligarch-billionaires-havent-been-sanctioned/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By merick: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Absolutely. It is ironic that the 10% Boys harp on Biden and Ukraine when it was Biden getting 10% from the oil oligarchs who arose from the rubble of USSR. Ukraine was trying to investigate and prosecute Burisma (therefore Hunter). So Biden is much more corrupted by Russia oligarchs snd oil (notice he stopped domestic oil expansion and started buying Russian oil?). Nothing to do with Ukraine. In fact I believe he holds a personal grudge against Ukraine. Some of GD is just retarded when it comes to Biden. Biden Family et al got money from Russian oligarchs. A few mil. iirc. That was for "minor issues" not related to this war like lifting sanctions and Nordstream II which Biden greenlighted on day one (just after shutting down our pipeline) But it was NOT money well spent since the invasion superseded all that. I do wonder if Biden is more worried about Russian military escalation or revealing dirty secrets "escalation". Anyway Biden is making decisions about Ukraine like I make decisions about my wife spending money... Evidently some oligarchs got sanctioned and some didn't. https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/jean-pierre-wont-say-why-hunter-biden-linked-russian-oligarchs-arent-sanctioned/https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnhyatt/2022/04/07/these-50-russian-oligarch-billionaires-havent-been-sanctioned/ Nice find! Perfect food to feed 10% boys. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:35:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub: Re: Ukraine's shoot down of a Kinzhal last week...
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:36:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: ^ Right answer. I spoke with an A-10 pilot in Germany for exercises years ago. He recognized that the time for the A-10 had come and gone. Mentioned that attack helicopters are much more effective in a contested environment. They can hover behind a hill or trees, pop up and take out a tank or position, then drop back down for protection. He wasn't very optimistic that he would survive long in the environment we now see in Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: Originally Posted By castlebravo84: A10s are slow and won't be able to toss JDAMs or glide bombs nearly as far, so they would need to close into SHORAD/MANPADS range where they would get chewed to pieces before they could launch their weapons in situations where an F16 would be able to stand off a bit further. Also, an A10 can't effectively defend itself against enemy fighters like an F16 can. F16s are not in short supply, there are a lot more of them than A10s, and they are operated by many nations around the world that have an interest in supporting Ukraine. The irreplaceable resource in this situation is Ukrainian pilots, so putting them in a less survivable aircraft like the A10 just doesn't make sense. ^ Right answer. I spoke with an A-10 pilot in Germany for exercises years ago. He recognized that the time for the A-10 had come and gone. Mentioned that attack helicopters are much more effective in a contested environment. They can hover behind a hill or trees, pop up and take out a tank or position, then drop back down for protection. He wasn't very optimistic that he would survive long in the environment we now see in Ukraine. Great info, thx! |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:37:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: "Duct tape" an old one together and could be cheaper than most other long range missiles. launch a 1000 drone distraction and go for it. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:37:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: If you get the MALD to imitate a 737, 747, or airbus russia will fire every Sam system in theatre at it out of habit Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Can it mimmic a F-14 Tomcat with Danger Zone playing in the cockpit? If you get the MALD to imitate a 737, 747, or airbus russia will fire every Sam system in theatre at it out of habit That would be a great Girkin troll!!! |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:38:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Idiots. The grain deal is a way for the Russians to get something of value out of the situation. If they go back on it they get nothing and the west will tell the Russian navy to fuck off if they know what’s good for them. But I can already see it now - Russia will pull out and expect the shipments to stop because of their threats. Shipments won’t stop and it will just provide NATO with a pretext to enter the black sea to defensively ensure free navigation and food security. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: An example of what seems to be a commonly held belief, from a nationalist, military-affiliated TG channel- Russians seem to view the grain deal as corruption and at least perceived weakness. The grain deal, which expires on May 18, will be extended by 60 days, the corresponding decision may be first announced by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. This was reported to TASS on Friday by a source familiar with the negotiation process on the grain deal. At the same time, the source called the possibility of extending the deal a "gesture from Russia" in the hope that its requirements, enshrined in the Istanbul memorandum of July 22 last year, would be taken into account. How unexpected. @milinfolive https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/1F4624FA-9EE6-453C-AC9B-8E640ECD4C8A-2813633.jpg https://t.me/milinfolive/100515 Idiots. The grain deal is a way for the Russians to get something of value out of the situation. If they go back on it they get nothing and the west will tell the Russian navy to fuck off if they know what’s good for them. But I can already see it now - Russia will pull out and expect the shipments to stop because of their threats. Shipments won’t stop and it will just provide NATO with a pretext to enter the black sea to defensively ensure free navigation and food security. Turkey is the key to the negotiations, because they control the Bosporus. If Russia doesn't play nice, Turkey can say "we have decided to permit NATO ships to transit to the Black Sea for exercises and port visits to Bulgaria and Romania." Russia does NOT want NATO ships in the Black Sea. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: I've wondered why we never adapted the MOAB to a short range missile format. It would be an asskicker. ETA probably too expensive to design a mobile launcher and rocket for something that big and for a niche weapon. ETA 2: Checked and it weighs in at 20k lbs. LOL. Yeah, that would be challenging to get it moving fast enough to be useful. I guess I answered my own question. Give Elon Musk a contract for disposing of Falcon 9 boosters nearing their EOL. It could carry two. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:40:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This is the way.
Happy trails dude. Watch out for the goatfuckers. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:41:09 PM EDT
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in my opinion the clamor for airframes / jets / aircraft is mistimed. long term?? yes.
but this conflict needs : greater and speedy infusion of ground capability, significant increase in Long-Range artillery (HIMARS and longer...), and adequate and redundant ADA. the distances we are talking about do not require long-range air superiority / interdiction / deep strike, etc. drones are proving adequate for PRESENT needs in terms of recon and general harassment. again -- long term is a different story. but the 'here and now' is crying out for other assets IMO. the Russian air capability does not seem to be overwhelming at this point. its a question about right resources at the right time. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:43:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: If you get the MALD to imitate a 737, 747, or airbus russia will fire every Sam system in theatre at it out of habit Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Can it mimmic a F-14 Tomcat with Danger Zone playing in the cockpit? If you get the MALD to imitate a 737, 747, or airbus russia will fire every Sam system in theatre at it out of habit  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Oof. I’m going with 100% casualties on that one. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:52:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: Give Elon Musk a contract for disposing of Falcon 9 boosters nearing their EOL. It could carry two. Starship could carry 10-15 to orbit. Those would be a nice mass simulator for a test flight.  |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 8:53:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben:  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Glad they can take and embrace a joke.
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:03:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: in my opinion the clamor for airframes / jets / aircraft is mistimed. long term?? yes. but this conflict needs : greater and speedy infusion of ground capability, significant increase in Long-Range artillery (HIMARS and longer...), and adequate and redundant ADA. the distances we are talking about do not require long-range air superiority / interdiction / deep strike, etc. drones are proving adequate for PRESENT needs in terms of recon and general harassment. again -- long term is a different story. but the 'here and now' is crying out for other assets IMO. the Russian air capability does not seem to be overwhelming at this point. its a question about right resources at the right time. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:10:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Let's se what our disbarred Russia shill thinks about Storm Shadow delivery. Whining complaing UK same sex couple - UK tricked by US to provide them. - Only going to prolong the conflict. - Sneaky America. - British are crazy to provide missiles. - No worries Russia wil shoot them down becuase they track everything. - Heck Russia wil shoot down the jets BEFORE they launch their Storm Shadows - Puny subsonic virgin missile compared to ATACMS chad missile. - Storm Shadow is not a sophisticated system. - Russian AD wil deal with them but a couple might get through  - Russia a furious though. Just anoying the Russians - OMG depleted uranium shells. - Just causing more death in Ukraine. - Provocations from the collective west. Reckless WWIII - Russia might just shoot down NATO aircraft. - Brittain is the enemy of Russia. - The UK wil face political fallout when Ukraine is defeated. Hubris of the west - But what about muh Syria? OMG depleted uranium. - Russia can strike at the UK in many different ways. - Russian people demand revenge. - Russia showing to much restraint in Ukraine. The comments on that video...  I hope they're all Russian bots, because I would hate to think so many people are stupid. But I suppose they are. 
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:14:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:22:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:24:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: in my opinion the clamor for airframes / jets / aircraft is mistimed. long term?? yes. but this conflict needs : greater and speedy infusion of ground capability, significant increase in Long-Range artillery (HIMARS and longer...), and adequate and redundant ADA. the distances we are talking about do not require long-range air superiority / interdiction / deep strike, etc. drones are proving adequate for PRESENT needs in terms of recon and general harassment. again -- long term is a different story. but the 'here and now' is crying out for other assets IMO. the Russian air capability does not seem to be overwhelming at this point. its a question about right resources at the right time. The problem is that this is exactly what was said a year ago. "It would take too long for F16s to contribute substantially to the fight, too long to train, too much infrastructure work, etc etc." But if we had started the process in March 22, they would already be making an impact. It was a mistake to wait then. Waiting for the "right time" is never the right move. Yes, they do need ATACMs, kilotons of arty, small arms ammo, grenades, electronic warfare, anti-air/anti-missile, they need all that. AND they need serious air power. BTW, not just F16s, but also the Huey Cobras that Marines are decommissioning would be a great upgrade for Ukraine, too. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:25:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: They don't want them and it would be a terrible fit for the situation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By 74HC: Quite true. It's hard to separate objective analysis from those subjectively giving their opinion because they don't support Ukraine. There's not many MIG-29s left to give. So something else needs to be given. In terms of surplus, I don't think anything can match the F-16. A-10. We should give them to Ukraine since they are being retired from service. They don't want them and it would be a terrible fit for the situation. That is not entirely accurate. Reznikov asked for 100 A-10s early in the war. Then the US responded saying there better planes these days. After which Ukraine asked for 128 modern fighter jets, LOL. Either way, 100 A-10s are better than zero F-16s, which is what they ended up getting so far. They are also better than the Su-25, which Ukraine is actively using. Now that Ukraine has Patriot missiles, air to air capability is even less relevant. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:32:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:33:22 PM EDT
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Shahed 136s attacking tonight.
In the Kyiv region, there is a threat of enemy anti-aircraft missiles, air defense is working |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:37:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Spicy! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:45:20 PM EDT
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ISW assessment for May 12th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-12-2023 |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: in my opinion the clamor for airframes / jets / aircraft is mistimed. long term?? yes. but this conflict needs : greater and speedy infusion of ground capability, significant increase in Long-Range artillery (HIMARS and longer...), and adequate and redundant ADA. the distances we are talking about do not require long-range air superiority / interdiction / deep strike, etc. drones are proving adequate for PRESENT needs in terms of recon and general harassment. again -- long term is a different story. but the 'here and now' is crying out for other assets IMO. the Russian air capability does not seem to be overwhelming at this point. its a question about right resources at the right time. I wonder why we are NOT sending either jets or long range fires.... |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 9:59:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Starship could carry 10-15 to orbit. Those would be a nice mass simulator for a test flight. There are currently two Falcon 9 boosters sitting at the "rated" 15 flight limit awaiting SpaceX deciding what to do with them. I'm just sayin... |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: https://i.redd.it/adbbfrxb7iza1.jpg That may be the best thing I've seen in recent memory. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:07:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:13:40 PM EDT
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I'm way behind again, but just saw this and had to share.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/13g12hk/theyre_real/ They're real!!  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:17:58 PM EDT
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Russian Media Monitor. Check how these two casually talk about killing millions of Ukrainians, and they absolutely will win eventually, however long it takes.
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Posted: 5/12/2023 10:20:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: The problem is that this is exactly what was said a year ago. "It would take too long for F16s to contribute substantially to the fight, too long to train, too much infrastructure work, etc etc." But if we had started the process in March 22, they would already be making an impact. It was a mistake to wait then. Waiting for the "right time" is never the right move. Yes, they do need ATACMs, kilotons of arty, small arms ammo, grenades, electronic warfare, anti-air/anti-missile, they need all that. AND they need serious air power. BTW, not just F16s, but also the Huey Cobras that Marines are decommissioning would be a great upgrade for Ukraine, too. opportunity cost. the resources are not infinite. if you're going to get 'loaned / gifted / sold discounted / etc' a FINITE $$ value worth of gear -- it needs to be the NEED IT NOW gear -- not the nice to have. i also don't to see what MEASURABLE difference any of those airframes would have made over the last 6 months at the cost of the build-up for the upcoming offensive. for the cost of ONE F16 we could 'gift' Ukraine ~ 30+ Bradleys and 18+ M1s... for the cost of ONE jet that might not last a week in combat these high dollar aircraft are not the difference makers for this conflict. what is 'not getting done' due to lack of aircraft?? we might as well say Ukraine needs more destroyers and subs. just not the needed asset now. |
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