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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:48:35 AM EDT
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Local media coverage of Mi-8
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:48:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Maybe Germany is moving some of their commies out of the way? This looks substantial!
My guess is there's some accounting trickery with regards to NATO spending commitments that is one of the motivators. Perhaps double counting value? As in counting the value against commitment when they put those into service originally, then counting that same value again when donating to Ukraine? We'll see when NATO commitment spending comes out in a couple of years. I suspect we'll see a dramatic spike. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:49:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Any radar guided SAM system emits signals that can can be detected at much longer distances than they are effective. Phased array systems have ways to minimize those signals but EW/ELINT platforms can still detect them. Patriot has been around for something like 3+ decades, so it's likely that Russia already knows what it's signals emissions look like Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By The_Gooch: A couple of possibilities: A: We are very fortunate that we sent a Patriot battery for some real world testing and we happen to discover an unknown vulnerability of these detectable signals. or B: The "signals" were entirely intentional and were to lure the Russians to fire at it with one of their Kinzhals and we demonstrate to the Russians that we can defeat it. Basically that Patriot is here and it is a game changer. I'm leaning towards "B", with the news of the NATO decoy drone used in the Luhansk strike. It appears were are dialing up our EW games with them and screwing with their head.  Any radar guided SAM system emits signals that can can be detected at much longer distances than they are effective. Phased array systems have ways to minimize those signals but EW/ELINT platforms can still detect them. Patriot has been around for something like 3+ decades, so it's likely that Russia already knows what it's signals emissions look like |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:51:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Reading the law itself, the country can be in invaded and all the various courts and various governments have condemned it. Still doesn't violate their neutrality is all what they are trying to do. Arms export is a significant industry for the Swiss. In fact, it's the only way for that industry to survive since the Swiss doesn't have a large enough military to support it. Their neutrality nowadays is more marketing/image. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:52:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: 
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0787-2815055.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400_GIF-121.gif Send them our "conservative" FSA, Antifa, and BLM types. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:53:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Twitter comments said that's fake...it's from 2022.. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:55:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: FFS how embarrassing to bring up a piece of shit paid russian shill like Macgregor in this thread..... come on man. use your brain.  You do know he is a PAID commentator for russian state owned TV news stations right??? good grief.. everything he has said about Ukraine has been proven wrong, everything hes predicted about Ukraine has never happened... so what makes you people still believe his lies?? Is this true? He certainly acts like a well-paid Russian mouthpiece. No one gets this stupid suddenly unless they are paid to. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:55:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Dear God, I thought that was a troll thread. Wonder if that will actually convince people they’ve been played, because it should. And wonder if the proposed village will be nothing more than a box with a stick propping it up for a later date. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:59:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
What? Russia expects Ukraine's allies announce weapons transfers to them beforehand? Fuck them, let them learn the good ole fashion way. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:00:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:05:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Local media coverage of Mi-8 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/79BF5742-FF9F-4D27-BFD5-1F68C7F492FD-2815156.jpg I'm not a helicopter pilot, but that doesn't look like auto rotation to me. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:07:52 AM EDT
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🪖 Bakhmut direction
In the Ivanovo Forest area, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to pressurize the residents of Wagner from three directions. It has been clarified that three strongholds in the forest belts have been released. It was recorded that they advanced further along the landings Wagner's pressure on the private sector continues in the city itself, there are no changes today In the area of the O-0506 road, the Podars fled from their positions under the pressure of the Armed Forces. Two Urals were destroyed. More than ten strongholds were liberated, and the most important thing is that the Armed Forces occupied key heights for which the Podars had been fighting for more than a month The flanks are falling, at the moment one of the only things the beauty is right about Source: @krvchkwar Bakhmut. Life | Chat | Write to us   https://t.me/bakhmut_life/26204 |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:08:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: I'm not a helicopter pilot, but that doesn't look like auto rotation to me. It was missing at least one blade, there’s a photo from a back yard of it speared into the ground. OR… It could be this one from a different angle.
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:11:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:11:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: There is video of one of the helicopters getting hit. It's not as big an explosion as I'd believe a Patriot missile would be but looked bigger than any of the Stinger/Igla hits I've seen. It would be fun to think a Mig or SU27 shot it down but I am thinking they pushed a NASAMS super close and hit it with a AIM-120 from the ground. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:12:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Wow! If the latest reports are accurate, the Russians have lost FOUR combat aircraft in the same action over RUSSIAN soil. 2x Mi-8 Hip helicopters 1x Su-34 Fullback strike fighter 1x Su-35 air dominance fighter (doesn't look very dominant, does it?) If there was a ever a clue to the dumb fuck Russians that they are truly fucked and should immediately announce an end to the SMO, this would be it!  It would be awesome if this event lures out some of the black sea fleet so they can hit them with storm shadows. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:13:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Something new has been added.  Yea buddy-THIS is the way to announce new special sauces! |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:14:21 AM EDT
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"According to the latest information, the Russians lost 2 helicopters, Su-34 and Su-35, which were returning to the base after a combat sortie on the territory of Ukraine. There are no official comments yet"
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:16:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Whenever Russia receives a particularly humiliating black eye, they usually lash out in a day or two with a big missile/drone barrage. It would be awesome if this event lures out some of the black sea fleet so they can hit them with storm shadows.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:17:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: theskuh]
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:21:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0787-2815055.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400_GIF-121.gif They should name it "Tuckerville". |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:22:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Great observations about the WaPo and media in general. The article he is referencing. https://t.co/G6ZGcQiPFS
I think another aspect that overall the west has forgotten is that in a PvP fight, losses are a given. Even serious losses. The Russians (mostly) aren’t goatfuckers and they are capable of being extremely dangerous opponents. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:27:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Is the code for “Putin needs to roast on a spit?”
Signaling that Ukraine is on board with fulfilling their role - absorbing damage while the western weapons in their hands grind the Russian army to powder. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:28:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: It was missing at least one blade, there’s a photo from a back yard of it speared into the ground. OR… It could be this one from a different angle.
Damn, that is a spectacular way to go out. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:29:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0787-2815055.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400_GIF-121.gif We need to promote this heavily in GD. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:33:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SoCalExile]
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:38:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Yes!!! It was Storm Shadows hitting Luhansk!!! Boom!
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0795-2815063.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0796-2815064.jpg
I wonder what was at that base that made Ukraine decide it was valuable enough to use one of their storm shadows to destroy it. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:40:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgkeller: A-10 has glide bomb capability. 40 mile range Now how many miles high does an A-10 have to be for SDB or JDAM-ER to glide 40 miles? |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:41:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: Now how many miles high does an A-10 have to be for SDB or JDAM-ER to glide 40 miles? S400 meat high is the correct answer. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:44:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Or a manpad or three have been smuggled into Russia by Ukrainian patriots.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: So was it an Su-34 that crashed or an Mi-8? Or was it both? I'm confused. If it was BOTH, that indicates lack of maintenance/spare parts is really reaching critical levels, or the Ukrainians have moved a Patriot battery to somewhere within the vicinity. Even in Russia, it is a bit unusual for multiple aircraft to start falling from the sky at the same time. Or a manpad or three have been smuggled into Russia by Ukrainian patriots.... Watch the video of the chopper hit. Bigger *boom* than stinger/Igla. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:46:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2A373]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: I don't think the MiG-29 is structurally capable of carrying the Storm Shadow. The Su-24 Fencer strike aircraft is much more likely to be the aircraft that gets that job. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By mcooper: So do we think the migs were modified to fire storm shadow missiles? I don't think the MiG-29 is structurally capable of carrying the Storm Shadow. The Su-24 Fencer strike aircraft is much more likely to be the aircraft that gets that job. I'm no expert on MIG-29s, but a quick Google search tells me they can carry 400 gallon external centerline fuel tanks. 400 gallons of JP-8 weighs 2680 pounds. Goggle also tells me a Storm Shadow weighs 2900 pounds. So 400 gallons of jet fuel plus the weight of the fuel tank is going to be very close to what a Storm Shadow weighs. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:46:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I wonder what was at that base that made Ukraine decide it was valuable enough to use one of their storm shadows to destroy it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Yes!!! It was Storm Shadows hitting Luhansk!!! Boom!
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0795-2815063.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0796-2815064.jpg
I wonder what was at that base that made Ukraine decide it was valuable enough to use one of their storm shadows to destroy it. Son-In-Law of Shoigu was filming around that area live I believe ... |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:49:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I wonder what was at that base that made Ukraine decide it was valuable enough to use one of their storm shadows to destroy it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Yes!!! It was Storm Shadows hitting Luhansk!!! Boom!
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0795-2815063.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0796-2815064.jpg
I wonder what was at that base that made Ukraine decide it was valuable enough to use one of their storm shadows to destroy it. -suitably far enough behind the line -probably non-insignificant ADA coverage in the area No doubt the location probably had significant military value, but maybe they really wanted to see what the new weapon was capable of. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:52:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Scott Ritter already called dibs on being the elementary schools principle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0787-2815055.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400_GIF-121.gif Scott Ritter already called dibs on being the elementary schools principle. 
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:54:04 AM EDT
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🪖 Bakhmut shade!
The enemy lost even more positions not only east of Stupochky, but also south of Ivanovsky. According to preliminary data, the presence of the enemy in the Stupka tract is maintained. Judging by the personnel and the statement of the military leadership of the Russian Federation, the Katsaps fled from the area of Z.P. 40th km. The enemy was pushed back from the heights of 199.4 and 186.6. The situation in the forest at an altitude of 199.5 is unknown. At point 181.0, the presence of the enemy is maintained. The situation near Bilogorivka (D) has been clarified. With the help of tanks, the Katsapas managed to make some progress towards Spirny from the east. Source: @DeepStateUA Bakhmut. Life | Chat | Write to us https://t.me/bakhmut_life/26210 Despite the retreat of the troops from the flanks of the Bakhmut ledge, it is still too early to rejoice. The situation is difficult, the media publicity is significant, so the Katsapas will use reserves to stabilize the front. The only question is to achieve maximum results by that time. Battles are taking place in Bakhmut itself, but it is not yet possible to specify the LBZ. We understand that everyone wants to quickly see news from the front, but this is not the case when prompt coverage will help someone. Source: @DeepStateUA Bakhmut. Life | Chat | Write to us https://t.me/bakhmut_life/26211 |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:54:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Mi-8 was in Klintsy.
Video from the crash site of the Su-34 near Starodub in the Bryansk region - not far from the Ukrainian border and almost 50 km from the crash site of the Mi-8 in Klintsy. 😋 Follow Mash
Wow, two copters and an SU all shot down over Bryansk. For them to all be friendly fire would be a stunning level of incompetence even for Russia. It seems unlikely that the Ukrainians would risk Patriot so close to the border. Could it be extended-range AMRAAM fired from Mig-29s? |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:54:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: In other news........ Finland’s former PM Sanna Marin has announced that she is getting divorced. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fv9Wha3XwAEFLDh?format=jpg&name=small She's back on the market fellas!  
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:57:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle:
So now it is 2 helicopters and 1 strike fighter?!?! Holy fuck balls man! What the hell is going on? The Russian pilots are all going to start calling in sick at this rate. And if that doesn't work, many will likely grab the ejection handles as soon as they lift from the runways. The pucker factor among them has to be through the roof right now.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:58:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I wonder what was at that base that made Ukraine decide it was valuable enough to use one of their storm shadows to destroy it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Yes!!! It was Storm Shadows hitting Luhansk!!! Boom!
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0795-2815063.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0796-2815064.jpg
I wonder what was at that base that made Ukraine decide it was valuable enough to use one of their storm shadows to destroy it. The Russians have been tight lipped about it but Russian Telegram video yesterday showed a Russian MP (member of parliament) beaten and bloody being led out of the ruble. Wondering what other VIPs were there? |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:00:55 AM EDT
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This is the local gossip page of the village where one of the helicopters crashed, it has many videos and pictures.
It also claims a second helicopter crash was confirmed, but no videos from it. https://m.vk.com/klintsy.region_32 |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:01:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Wow, two copters and an SU all shot down over Bryansk. For them to all be friendly fire would be a stunning level of incompetence even for Russia. It seems unlikely that the Ukrainians would risk Patriot so close to the border. Could it be extended-range AMRAAM fired from Mig-29s? |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:02:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By easttxshooter: Does Russia operate helicopters with AWACS capability? Why would a helo just circle like that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By easttxshooter: Originally Posted By kncook: Video shows it hit by air defense missile. Wonder if it’s now in Patriot range. They said it was circling the area at a decent altitude for a while. Does Russia operate helicopters with AWACS capability? Why would a helo just circle like that? Could be calibrating Russian AD. Could be ELINT. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:02:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Please let somebody at the Pentagon have found a old box of Aim-54 Phoenix missiles, again of course bonus points if the Poles programmed them to play Danger Zone in flight. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:03:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Oh shit!! "According to an army source based in Klintsy, one of the helicopters was carrying officers from two artillery brigades and inspectors from the group headquarters who were flying to inspect the location of artillery units. There is no confirmation of this information yet." |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:04:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hate_Work: Or, being captured by the AFU and receiving real medical care? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hate_Work: Originally Posted By Capta: You don’t need blood donations if the wounded are left in the field to die. There’s more than enough anecdotal evidence to say that, if this isn’t the rule, it’s a significant possibility. Makes me wonder if the killed to wounded ratio is as bad as 1-to-1. Given the level of corruption up and down, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the lucky ones that make it to medical care are those who have some connections, or can bribe their way to it. Or, being captured by the AFU and receiving real medical care? Possible but with the front line relatively static that is unlikely for most. Most probably die in their foxholes within a few days of being wounded and denied evacuation. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:05:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:10:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: We need to promote this heavily in GD. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:12:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2023 11:12:13 AM EDT
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