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Posted: 5/30/2023 1:24:43 AM EST
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Lol
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Posted: 5/30/2023 2:30:36 AM EST
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My big takeaway about Russia:
I’ve followed this thread from day one and everyday I’m in awe of how completely fucked up Russia is, on so many levels, politically, militarily, socially, economically and last, morally. The one that encompasses all the shitty Russian attributes listed above has to be the military. From the infighting of the PMC and regularly army, underfunded soldiers having their donated equipment confiscated, to complete stupidity in Bakhmut, everyday it’s something new and their clown shoes get bigger and bigger. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 2:42:09 AM EST
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Posted: 5/30/2023 2:47:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: August 6 - Hiroshima August 7 - Russia declares war on Japan August 9 - Nagasaki August 9 - Red Army offensive in Manchuria surprises Japan who thought they needed rail August 10-14 Japan suffers numerous defeats in Manchuria as soviets rapidly advance August 15 - Japan surrenders The realization that they would not be able to hold on to their colonies in Asia factored at least as much into the Japanese surrender as the bombs. By that point in the war they knew they were going to lose but had been holding out for a negotiated peace that left them in control of some of their conquered territory. The Russian success in Manchuria took that off the table and added to the atomic bombs meant there was little left to negotiate for in the face of large ongoing losses Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Given the zero times its worked in over 100 years of trying, that seems like a solid plan. Eh... seemed to work with Dresden. Which ironically was done at the Soviets' request to save them casualties brute forcing their way in. But that was more of "de-housing" than de-moralizing. Can't fight house to house if there are no more houses. Really, this is more like the terror bombing of the Nazis against the UK, tho. Constant random V1 and V2 attacks to cause terror and mayhem against civilians. Not enough to do more than misery in the vain hope of getting the people to beg for peace at the end of a knife.  Dresden did not cause Germany to surrender. If anything, the bombing of Dresden helped to motivate the National Socialist "dead-enders". Hiroshima and Nagasaki worked because the Japanese government was faced with a choice of complete destruction of the Japanese nation if they DIDN'T surrender. Ukraine faces national destruction if they DO surrender. August 6 - Hiroshima August 7 - Russia declares war on Japan August 9 - Nagasaki August 9 - Red Army offensive in Manchuria surprises Japan who thought they needed rail August 10-14 Japan suffers numerous defeats in Manchuria as soviets rapidly advance August 15 - Japan surrenders The realization that they would not be able to hold on to their colonies in Asia factored at least as much into the Japanese surrender as the bombs. By that point in the war they knew they were going to lose but had been holding out for a negotiated peace that left them in control of some of their conquered territory. The Russian success in Manchuria took that off the table and added to the atomic bombs meant there was little left to negotiate for in the face of large ongoing losses That was an extremely minor issue by that stage of the war and last minute posturing so Soviets could claim some islands from Japan. The war with Germany was over for several months. Russia was busy grabbing chunks of Eastern Europe. The US was still fighting some of the biggest battles in the Pacific. By August everything except the main islands were defeated. Russia likes to hold that minor action at the last, after the first atom bomb, as some big contribution. The Japanese surrendered to the US on board a US ship. Russia had practically no contribution to the far eastern theater except in their own minds. They were highly dependent on the US and Britain just to fight Germany, while we were fighting the Pacific, North Africa, Italy, France/Western Front, and securing both Atlantic and Pacific seaways. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 3:01:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Moscow is a false flag. 8 drones “attack” and three hit apartment buildings but ZERO detonate. All were launched from Moscow area.
Interesting morning in Moscow. Attack by drones. The drones that attacked Moscow were launched from the Moscow region and were Chinese — InformNapalm What is currently known: — This morning, 8 UAVs attacked Moscow, the russian Defense Ministry reported. Three of them were suppressed by electronic warfare, five were shot down by Pantsir-S air defense systems in the Moscow region. — The first UAV crashed into the 25th floor of a house on Atlasova Street in New Moscow. Windows were broken on the 25th, 24th and 23rd floors. Damaged concrete floor slab. No one was hurt. — The second drone attacked a residential building on Profsoyuznaya Street at about 05:20. He crashed into the window of an apartment on the 16th floor. There was one woman in the room. She didn't get hurt. The UAV carried a KZ-6 cumulative charge. He flew into the apartment along with part of the drone and, by a lucky chance, did not explode. Such a charge pierces reinforced concrete slabs up to half a meter thick. —- The third residential building - 30-story - was attacked by a drone at seven o'clock in the morning - on Leninsky Prospekt. This drone was carrying three KZ-6s, it crashed into the 14th floor of the house. 300 people were evacuated. — The "Typhoon" plan was introduced in the police of Moscow and the Moscow region - it involves the collection of personnel involved in the elimination of the consequences of emergencies. — Two people asked for medical help, they didn’t need hospitalization. Nobody was seriously hurt. Sergei Sobyanin announced this. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 3:15:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Not sure of the numbers being sent but every bit helps. Suppose to have 35km range, very effective air or ground launch. And about 100,000 are in existence in dozens of countries.
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Posted: 5/30/2023 3:25:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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More Russian train troubles. Oh no!! 😆
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Posted: 5/30/2023 5:03:11 AM EST
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Posted: 5/30/2023 5:04:43 AM EST
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Video embedded
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Posted: 5/30/2023 5:09:30 AM EST
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Official confirmation the Moscow stones are NOT from Ukraine.
I could easily see this as a Wagner stunt to get them a sweet contract “protecting” the ritzy parts of Moscow. He want on a ridiculous staged rant about them.
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Posted: 5/30/2023 5:13:37 AM EST
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Because  Linda Ronstadt - It's So Easy (Official Music Video) |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 5:17:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Wow! Great video of a precision strike! Not sure what it was but wasn't top strike. Zoomed in at a low angle and immediate flames.
https://twitter.com/seveerity/status/1663488427852013568 Drone recon of the 25th brigade and the artillery of the 40th separate artillery brigade of the AFU discovered and destroyed another BMP. Kreminnoi, Luhansk region. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2023 5:26:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Not sure of the numbers being sent but every bit helps. Suppose to have 35km range, very effective air or ground launch. And about 100,000 are in existence in dozens of countries.
You are not going to break open a NASAM missile tube to pull the missile out and put it on a plane though. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2023 6:13:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Ukraine has done well with dispersing many aspects of its army. They need to focus on building a bunch of airstrips and get good at runway repairs. Make sure they are within the ADA umbrella. They need to build air strips right on the polish border, but tell poland as soon as the war is over they will destroy them. Or better yet, poland builds tarmac and taxiways on polish border with runways and maybe an arming station in Ukraine, so the planes park in Poland but fly out of Ukraine. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 6:38:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: They aren’t going to use Patriots on Shahed … Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Russian source said 100 Shahed drones launched.
They aren’t going to use Patriots on Shahed … Certainly not if they can help it. From the many reports, it is quite a shooting gallery where every auto cannon and guy with a gun can take shots at the Shahed's as they head to the city to thin the numbers out for the other systems to have a crack at them. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 6:56:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: 🇬🇧🇺🇦 Local residents also report several explosions and the operation of air defense systems in the Moscow region, including in the area of Istra and New Riga. According to Baza, more than ten drones have been intercepted in the Moscow region so far. In Moscow itself, special services are checking information about the collision of a drone with a third multi-storey residential building on Leninsky Prospekt. The mayor of the capital, Sergei Sobyanin, confirmed the UAV attack, reporting that emergency services were at the scene of the incident and indicating that "no one was seriously injured." #Moscow #Russia #Ukraine @rybar Support us https://t.me/milinfolive/101415
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWWoUjXoAI0YqV?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWWoUeWYAEQHU5?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWTc5CWIAMO1rv?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWTlG2XoAUcMOF?format=jpg&name=large Two videos appear to show this canard type design that looks like it’s flying backwards.
And then this, which might just be an actual aircraft 🤷♂️
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWiTsraIAU7s64?format=jpg&name=large Video
Wait ... so these alleged Ukie drones with moped engines buzzing through Russian air were not engaged until near Moscow ... oh ... I see ... |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:06:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Russian TG The first photo is anti-drone guns, which the regional authorities (not all subjects, but only the norms of the authorities) and volunteers and journalists (like us) buy for the front guys. The second photo is anti-drone guns that the Americans supply to Ukraine. The latter are much more powerful. Yes, it's not even about power, although it is also about it. It just turns out that a huge number of states are fighting against Russia, all the technical power of the United States and NATO, and we have only a part of the people and 1/17 of the state. I don’t understand why we can’t put the country on a war footing? Why can't we help the front? Why don't we hit on the development and supply of weapons, but only hang out patriotic slogans and learn songs? After all, to love the Motherland is not to talk about the greatness of Russia from the screens, you can be silent, but do it. https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/25925 🧑💻In Russia, they proposed to create an analogue of the "Chinese firewall" with the impossibility of bypassing the blocking of sites. Such a system will be able to completely block access to unwanted Internet resources and VPN services. https://t.me/groupzarya/33174  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Russian TG The first photo is anti-drone guns, which the regional authorities (not all subjects, but only the norms of the authorities) and volunteers and journalists (like us) buy for the front guys. The second photo is anti-drone guns that the Americans supply to Ukraine. The latter are much more powerful. Yes, it's not even about power, although it is also about it. It just turns out that a huge number of states are fighting against Russia, all the technical power of the United States and NATO, and we have only a part of the people and 1/17 of the state. I don’t understand why we can’t put the country on a war footing? Why can't we help the front? Why don't we hit on the development and supply of weapons, but only hang out patriotic slogans and learn songs? After all, to love the Motherland is not to talk about the greatness of Russia from the screens, you can be silent, but do it. https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/25925 🧑💻In Russia, they proposed to create an analogue of the "Chinese firewall" with the impossibility of bypassing the blocking of sites. Such a system will be able to completely block access to unwanted Internet resources and VPN services. https://t.me/groupzarya/33174 The American system shown is the "Drone Defender" :quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/3JGI4I7Y55DSVHR5DAF2JOA664.jpg) Info here: Range: ~2km Cold start: 0.1s Operating time: 2h Able to jam virtually all drones including 433 MHz,915 MHz, 2.4 GHz, 5.8 GHz The Russian version is the LPD-801 or 802 https://defensemirror.com/news/33008/Russian_Firm_Develops_Anti_Drone_Gun_to_Stun_American_UAVs he LPD-801 drone jammer was unveiled at the OrelExpo 2021 arms show in Moscow. The anti-drone gun is capable of jamming drone control channels and navigational signals, in particular, disabling Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS, Galileo and Glonass satellite system signals and quashing unauthorized data transmission. The new jammer can operate in manual and automatic modes.  The device is designed as a standard magazine carbine where the antenna looks like a barrel while the place of the magazine is taken up by a replaceable storage battery with an endurance of about 60 minutes. According to its developers, with its weight of just 3.5 kg [comparable to the weight of a standard Kalashnikov assault rifle], the anti-drone gun is capable of jamming targets at a distance of 1.5 km. The jammer’s maximum radiation that impacts enemy drone electronics does not exceed 10 W. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:09:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1121-2834281.jpg I keep thinking about the logistical fallout if this. Any resource concentration remotely near the front is now at risk. I imagine they are frantically trying to shift concentrations that had been outside HIMARS range that are now at risk. The added impact is the disorganization that frantic redistribution will cause, kind of like when my wife tries to organize things and then I can't find anything. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:11:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: 🇬🇧🇺🇦 Local residents also report several explosions and the operation of air defense systems in the Moscow region, including in the area of Istra and New Riga. According to Baza, more than ten drones have been intercepted in the Moscow region so far. In Moscow itself, special services are checking information about the collision of a drone with a third multi-storey residential building on Leninsky Prospekt. The mayor of the capital, Sergei Sobyanin, confirmed the UAV attack, reporting that emergency services were at the scene of the incident and indicating that "no one was seriously injured." #Moscow #Russia #Ukraine @rybar Support us https://t.me/milinfolive/101415
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWWoUjXoAI0YqV?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWWoUeWYAEQHU5?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWTc5CWIAMO1rv?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWTlG2XoAUcMOF?format=jpg&name=large Two videos appear to show this canard type design that looks like it’s flying backwards.
And then this, which might just be an actual aircraft 🤷♂️
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWiTsraIAU7s64?format=jpg&name=large Video
Just to note, there is an insane air defence network around Moscow. Multiple S-400 systems on down to TOR units for short range defense with the best systems they have available. Also note, clear and beautiful weather over the region, yet they can't hit some of these drones. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:12:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: I don’t agree with this, but here it is.
And now it's all coming together. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:14:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Didn't the Ukrainians say they were working on their own version of the Shaheed a few months back? Could that be what these attacks are being carried out with? Those drones around Moscow don't look like the Ukrainian version shown back in December. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:15:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Air defense forces shot down 29 out of 31 Shahed drones that the Russian Federation launched over Ukraine at night, the Air Force reported. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWpfNBXoAAzw7f?format=jpg&name=900x900 Noted: That Russian account was simply trying to cause fear by saying 100 drones were sent, I'm surprised this was all they could muster after the other two attacks were spent. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:27:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: I keep thinking about the logistical fallout if this. Any resource concentration remotely near the front is now at risk. I imagine they are frantically trying to shift concentrations that had been outside HIMARS range that are now at risk. The added impact is the disorganization that frantic redistribution will cause, kind of like when my wife tries to organize things and then I can't find anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Originally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1121-2834281.jpg I keep thinking about the logistical fallout if this. Any resource concentration remotely near the front is now at risk. I imagine they are frantically trying to shift concentrations that had been outside HIMARS range that are now at risk. The added impact is the disorganization that frantic redistribution will cause, kind of like when my wife tries to organize things and then I can't find anything. lol, good analogy. I also think they are being reserved on the ranges they are striking with. Nothing really over 100km is getting hit. I suspect logistics and command will get shit on beyond 100km when the offensive starts, after everything within 100km is in disarray.  3 layers of panic. Frontline back to 40km with artillery, rear areas back to 100km, then another level of terror and man made horrors beyond.
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:31:30 AM EST
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According to our data, the morning attack by Chinese drones on Moscow and the Moscow region involved exclusively Russians who are fighting against Putin's regime and are constantly on the territory of Russia. They were the ones who controlled the drones that were brought to the territory of the Russian Federation. It is known in advance that these drones are resistant to Russian EW systems and the only way to neutralize them is to shoot them down with air defense systems. Whether the Russian insurgents coordinated their actions with the Ukrainian special services or whether it was their personal initiative is currently unknown. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:33:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I've made the argument that Zelenskyy is a Slavic Donald Trump. I've heard that also and in some cases yes. He is an outsider and not a politician. But I dont think Z has the polarizing narcissism and ego of Trump. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:35:46 AM EST
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:38:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I've heard that also and in some cases yes. He is an outsider and not a politician. But I dont think Z has the polarizing narcissism and ego of Trump. Yeah, just in that narrow scope. Otherwise Trump has a way differently personality than Zelensky. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:39:42 AM EST
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We have geo-located and verified 8 successful Storm Shadow strikes, each using an average of 4x missiles per strike. There is no evidence to suggest any of them have been intercepted. Yet there is plenty of evidence proving that they have destroyed multiple C2 centers, airfield facilities and logistics hubs. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:41:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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that "Moscow has seen worse" are unacceptable. They say the SMO is not meant to involve an attack on Moscow. 
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:44:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Russian source.
➖About 10 were caught on trees and fell (Odintsovsky district, Tinao); ➖3 hit residential buildings (Leninsky Prospekt, Profsoyuznaya Street, Atlasova Street); Is this the very answer that "mommy's little boy" Kiryushka Budanov announced? It feels like the attack was prepared on the knee, in order to mediate the "zrada" from attacks on Kyiv. The military result is zero point zero, but in the media environment they "overcame", Moscow itself was attacked. The air defense crews did their best. PS Those who filmed the work of air defense would be nice to check for sabotage My opinion is that this is a false flag or something else. I would pin it on Ukraine if Russian airfields and large air defense systems were being hit. The results look amateurish.
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:48:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:51:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
We have geo-located and verified 8 successful Storm Shadow strikes, each using an average of 4x missiles per strike. There is no evidence to suggest any of them have been intercepted. Yet there is plenty of evidence proving that they have destroyed multiple C2 centers, airfield facilities and logistics hubs. Naw brah ... cool story though ... |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:52:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 5/30/2023 7:58:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: August 6 - Hiroshima August 7 - Russia declares war on Japan August 9 - Nagasaki August 9 - Red Army offensive in Manchuria surprises Japan who thought they needed rail August 10-14 Japan suffers numerous defeats in Manchuria as soviets rapidly advance August 15 - Japan surrenders The realization that they would not be able to hold on to their colonies in Asia factored at least as much into the Japanese surrender as the bombs. By that point in the war they knew they were going to lose but had been holding out for a negotiated peace that left them in control of some of their conquered territory. The Russian success in Manchuria took that off the table and added to the atomic bombs meant there was little left to negotiate for in the face of large ongoing losses Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Given the zero times its worked in over 100 years of trying, that seems like a solid plan. Eh... seemed to work with Dresden. Which ironically was done at the Soviets' request to save them casualties brute forcing their way in. But that was more of "de-housing" than de-moralizing. Can't fight house to house if there are no more houses. Really, this is more like the terror bombing of the Nazis against the UK, tho. Constant random V1 and V2 attacks to cause terror and mayhem against civilians. Not enough to do more than misery in the vain hope of getting the people to beg for peace at the end of a knife. Dresden did not cause Germany to surrender. If anything, the bombing of Dresden helped to motivate the National Socialist "dead-enders". Hiroshima and Nagasaki worked because the Japanese government was faced with a choice of complete destruction of the Japanese nation if they DIDN'T surrender. Ukraine faces national destruction if they DO surrender. August 6 - Hiroshima August 7 - Russia declares war on Japan August 9 - Nagasaki August 9 - Red Army offensive in Manchuria surprises Japan who thought they needed rail August 10-14 Japan suffers numerous defeats in Manchuria as soviets rapidly advance August 15 - Japan surrenders The realization that they would not be able to hold on to their colonies in Asia factored at least as much into the Japanese surrender as the bombs. By that point in the war they knew they were going to lose but had been holding out for a negotiated peace that left them in control of some of their conquered territory. The Russian success in Manchuria took that off the table and added to the atomic bombs meant there was little left to negotiate for in the face of large ongoing losses Exactly. As for Dresden; if the Brits and Americans had not bombed it, it would have been leveled by Soviet tactical aviation/artillery in a manner similar to Warsaw/Konigsberg/Manila/Aachen within a matter of weeks if not days. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:03:18 AM EST
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:05:40 AM EST
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The outskirts of Bakhmut 🇺🇦
Video from the GoPro camera of a soldier of the 2nd Assault Battalion of the 3rd OShBr, Comrade Datsyk. A fragment of the work of an assault group advancing through the positions of the occupiers. t.me/ab3army/2619
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:06:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingsmen: Soon they'll be putting their whole economy into making cruise missiles and drones  Well, if they do that, it will have some serious 2nd- and 3rd Order negative effects for the REST of the Russian economy. I'm not sure how long Russia can sustain a total mobilization, but it is not a long time. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:10:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I agree and this is a special "quality" that Russia possesses. A society's ability to motivate its population to die en mass IS strategic asset and threat they posses. Reminds me of red ants...Russia had proven they can do it to a large extent. No other Western country could do this without an immediate coup or revolution. But it's a double edges sword. They cannot afford to have too many disaffected, abused, armed militias setting in trenches talking and complaining and scheming (1917). And unlike in WWII or WWI manpower is not enough today. They have to be motivated, skilled, and equipped for maneuver warfare otherwise they just sit in a trench wondering if it will be by HIMARS, 155MM, or a drone and NEVER see an enemy soldier... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By stone-age: It seems like russia has always had the tactic of telling their own soldiers they definitely are going to die if they don't move forward and try to kill the enemy. More and more and more cannon fodder until they win. It doesn't matter if they are trained. Cannon fodder being managed by corrupt nationalists/communists. They just destroy everything in front of them until they can flood the enemy with enough cannon fodder to win. I agree and this is a special "quality" that Russia possesses. A society's ability to motivate its population to die en mass IS strategic asset and threat they posses. Reminds me of red ants...Russia had proven they can do it to a large extent. No other Western country could do this without an immediate coup or revolution. But it's a double edges sword. They cannot afford to have too many disaffected, abused, armed militias setting in trenches talking and complaining and scheming (1917). And unlike in WWII or WWI manpower is not enough today. They have to be motivated, skilled, and equipped for maneuver warfare otherwise they just sit in a trench wondering if it will be by HIMARS, 155MM, or a drone and NEVER see an enemy soldier... I’ve always been struck by the parallels between WW2 Japan and current Russia: -starts war of aggression against a weaker neighbor only to become bogged down -provokes wider war (although this time a proxy war) against powers with massive GDP overmatch -expects “fighting spirit” to win against superior technology -“The west is decadent” -fights on well past reason -unconcerned with casualties |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:13:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Russia is fucked for the long term. Thet cannot abuse their populations like this (not to mention their neighbors who are now rabidly hostile and militarized against them) and there will be consequences eventually. I seriously doubt that Putin considers Trump as a good thing despite Trumps (unrealistic) words of a negotiated peace. Looking at both Xiden (who has already received millions from Russian oligarchs through Hunter and has a constant stream of escalation fear piss running down his leg) and Trump (who always tries to smooth talk adversaries but was the FIRST to send lethal aid to Ukraine, dropped the hammer on Wagners in Syria and fired Tomahawks over desert) and compare the two and tell me Xiden is the hawk that Putin should fear. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Shadyman: Russia is running out of time, demographics are working against them. Plus, all their young smart tech people are getting out if they can. Russia can keep on burning through all the outlying provinces young people. But there are rumblings out there from the mothers and wives that they are taking the brunt of the punishment of Putin’s War. And Putin’s government is doing everything to protect the middle class that lives around Moscow and St. Pete. Putin is waiting and hoping Trump will win the election so he can manipulate him into cutting off help to Ukraine and long term, Europe and NATO. Russia is fucked for the long term. Thet cannot abuse their populations like this (not to mention their neighbors who are now rabidly hostile and militarized against them) and there will be consequences eventually. I seriously doubt that Putin considers Trump as a good thing despite Trumps (unrealistic) words of a negotiated peace. Looking at both Xiden (who has already received millions from Russian oligarchs through Hunter and has a constant stream of escalation fear piss running down his leg) and Trump (who always tries to smooth talk adversaries but was the FIRST to send lethal aid to Ukraine, dropped the hammer on Wagners in Syria and fired Tomahawks over desert) and compare the two and tell me Xiden is the hawk that Putin should fear. Considering that Trump has already outright said he would force Ukraine to hand over territory for peace, I’m going with “Putin is more concerned with Biden, or at least the Biden admin.” |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:14:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: If that picture is current, there are a LOT of aircraft piled up in there. Hopefully the loss of 2-5 will not effect them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: No other details, but this Russian report is all I have at the moment, and he has posted stuff that is very incorrect at times. Don't know when the satellite photo was taken, but I would not be keeping the Su-24's packed together in revetments like that.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxTENXAX0AAS9vK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 If that picture is current, there are a LOT of aircraft piled up in there. Hopefully the loss of 2-5 will not effect them. Most are probably non-flyable. Supposedly Ukraine was down to a handful of SU-24s. On the bright side, the damaged planes may not have been flyable. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:20:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:25:05 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Just to note, there is an insane air defence network around Moscow. Multiple S-400 systems on down to TOR units for short range defense with the best systems they have available. Also note, clear and beautiful weather over the region, yet they can't hit some of these drones. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Prime: 🇬🇧🇺🇦 Local residents also report several explosions and the operation of air defense systems in the Moscow region, including in the area of Istra and New Riga. According to Baza, more than ten drones have been intercepted in the Moscow region so far. In Moscow itself, special services are checking information about the collision of a drone with a third multi-storey residential building on Leninsky Prospekt. The mayor of the capital, Sergei Sobyanin, confirmed the UAV attack, reporting that emergency services were at the scene of the incident and indicating that "no one was seriously injured." #Moscow #Russia #Ukraine @rybar Support us https://t.me/milinfolive/101415
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWWoUjXoAI0YqV?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWWoUeWYAEQHU5?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWTc5CWIAMO1rv?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWTlG2XoAUcMOF?format=jpg&name=large Two videos appear to show this canard type design that looks like it’s flying backwards.
And then this, which might just be an actual aircraft 🤷♂️
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWiTsraIAU7s64?format=jpg&name=large Video
Just to note, there is an insane air defence network around Moscow. Multiple S-400 systems on down to TOR units for short range defense with the best systems they have available. Also note, clear and beautiful weather over the region, yet they can't hit some of these drones. I’m genuinely surprised they haven’t downed their own aircraft yet. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:25:12 AM EST
[#43]
Perhaps I am losing track, but don't these guys want to join NATO as well??
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:28:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxYIcZuWcAAlIzW?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxYIcZsWcAER4_i?format=jpg&name=medium
THIS is why I’m skeptical of the false flag. Though it’s not totally inconceivable that Russian leadership just orchestrated all of that, “Ukrainian” does not necessarily include “pro-Ukrainian affiliates”. @AROKIE’s question about Ukrainian Shaheds last night got me thinking about all the different prototypes we’ve seen in the last year. Hell, there’s a unit listed as “Flight Club” west of Savatove  I could see someone crowdfunding this, especially after the deniability of having a purported separatist group in western Russia. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:30:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:34:01 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: See the leaked document below, it mentions Patriot lol. Also says the systems cannot be "layered"  It is pure disinformation in my opinion to lure the Russians to waste precious missile resources.Anyone worried about their clearance, please don't click the link. Click To View Spoiler Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Again the reason I did not trust or believe the information in those leaks was real.
That would be dumb even for them. If we assume the leaks date to prior to Patriot, SAMPT, and most NASAMS, it would really only apply to Soviet gear like S300 and BUK. They’re perfectly aware that western systems are present in numbers now, but they’re still flinging LR PGMs like it was the start of the war. I think it’s either a political demand (from Putin) to show results against western systems, or they’re desperate enough to use anything and everything while it can do them some good. See the leaked document below, it mentions Patriot lol. Also says the systems cannot be "layered" It is pure disinformation in my opinion to lure the Russians to waste precious missile resources.Anyone worried about their clearance, please don't click the link. Click To View Spoiler From reading through it may mean that western SAMs can’t be layered with Soviet SAMs. I know we were supposed to be working on that solution and it may be mentioned in the paper as “FrankenSAM.” |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:38:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: From reading through it may mean that western SAMs can’t be layered with Soviet SAMs. I know we were supposed to be working on that solution and it may be mentioned in the paper as “FrankenSAM.” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Again the reason I did not trust or believe the information in those leaks was real.
That would be dumb even for them. If we assume the leaks date to prior to Patriot, SAMPT, and most NASAMS, it would really only apply to Soviet gear like S300 and BUK. They’re perfectly aware that western systems are present in numbers now, but they’re still flinging LR PGMs like it was the start of the war. I think it’s either a political demand (from Putin) to show results against western systems, or they’re desperate enough to use anything and everything while it can do them some good. See the leaked document below, it mentions Patriot lol. Also says the systems cannot be "layered" It is pure disinformation in my opinion to lure the Russians to waste precious missile resources.Anyone worried about their clearance, please don't click the link. Click To View Spoiler From reading through it may mean that western SAMs can’t be layered with Soviet SAMs. I know we were supposed to be working on that solution and it may be mentioned in the paper as “FrankenSAM.” There were solutions created many years ago because of Poland and other Eastern European NATO countries that had legacy Russian SAM units that needed integration with Western systems. To not know that if you are in that field is a red flag to me. There is public info available now that proves that statement on the document false.
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:40:25 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Just to note, there is an insane air defence network around Moscow. Multiple S-400 systems on down to TOR units for short range defense with the best systems they have available. Also note, clear and beautiful weather over the region, yet they can't hit some of these drones. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Prime: 🇬🇧🇺🇦 Local residents also report several explosions and the operation of air defense systems in the Moscow region, including in the area of Istra and New Riga. According to Baza, more than ten drones have been intercepted in the Moscow region so far. In Moscow itself, special services are checking information about the collision of a drone with a third multi-storey residential building on Leninsky Prospekt. The mayor of the capital, Sergei Sobyanin, confirmed the UAV attack, reporting that emergency services were at the scene of the incident and indicating that "no one was seriously injured." #Moscow #Russia #Ukraine @rybar Support us https://t.me/milinfolive/101415
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWWoUjXoAI0YqV?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWWoUeWYAEQHU5?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWTc5CWIAMO1rv?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWTlG2XoAUcMOF?format=jpg&name=large Two videos appear to show this canard type design that looks like it’s flying backwards.
And then this, which might just be an actual aircraft 🤷♂️
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxWiTsraIAU7s64?format=jpg&name=large Video
Just to note, there is an insane air defence network around Moscow. Multiple S-400 systems on down to TOR units for short range defense with the best systems they have available. Also note, clear and beautiful weather over the region, yet they can't hit some of these drones. Since all of the pictures/video we've seen so far looks like small, short range equipment (and likely no warheads), it can be inferred that either: (a) Ukraine managed to smuggle an entire suite of systems, launchers, etc. deep into Russia without being detected and presumably managed to exfil undetected. Or, (b) This is a false flag operation with cheap Chinese drones purchased by the FSB and launched at civilian targets to drum up support for the war. I know which option I think it is. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:42:09 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Its almost kinda shocking to hear about the Russians actually using these missiles against a military target for a change. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: No other details, but this Russian report is all I have at the moment, and he has posted stuff that is very incorrect at times. Don't know when the satellite photo was taken, but I would not be keeping the Su-24's packed together in revetments like that.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxTENXAX0AAS9vK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Its almost kinda shocking to hear about the Russians actually using these missiles against a military target for a change. Right! Imagine what the Russians could’ve done with the thousands of missiles spent on terror bombing and civilian infrastructure. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 8:48:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: (a) Ukraine managed to smuggle an entire suite of systems, launchers, etc. deep into Russia without being detected and presumably managed to exfil undetected. Or, Since the border seems at best undefended, smuggle is a big word for, fill up a box truck a drive. Have back of box truck stacked with vodka for payoff if needed along the way. |
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