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Posted: 5/31/2023 7:58:37 PM EST
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:01:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: We are all driving japanese, Korean, and German cars. What's the difference? We didn't fight the South Koreans and the Norks don't make cars. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:03:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Turns out the John Wick 12 gage might actually have a place on the modern battlefield (And that sporting clays is suddenly relevant - an even bigger WTF) He signed up in Bluefield WV, and was sent to Maxwell Army Airfield for induction. A senior officer from the Aerial Gunnery School started chatting with him, and when the Officer found out he was being rejected for his size, he only had one question, "have you ever hunted birds"?. Of course he had, he grew up in mining towns, that's how they put food on the table. He ended up in the Aerial Gunnery School, and excelled at it to the point he was made an instructor after graduation. The early phases of the school was to put the students in the bed of a truck with a shotgun, and fire at targets as they pass by. What is old is new again. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:04:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: You are right, getting down to the details. I misread Finslayers post as top speed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
What’s their final closure speed? They are more or less different variants of the same base weapon no? Air launched Kinzhal listed as mach 10. Ground launched Iksandr mach 6 or 7. And you are right, different variant of same weapon. I believe those are max velocities while under boost but rapidly lose it when descending. IIRC they drop below Mach 5 by the time they are approaching the target. They only “hypersonic” in a small segment of their flight. So really more of a quasi-hypersonic. Same basic missile as the Iskander (ground launch) which is not considered hypersonic at all. Only the air launch of the Kinzhal allows it it reach above Mach 5 briefly. You are right, getting down to the details. I misread Finslayers post as top speed. Another source was a little more sarcastic about it 😁 It turned out that the Kh-47M2 travels at much slower speeds, which makes interception possible. As a result Russian developers of Kinzhal were sent to prison. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:05:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: My grandfather volunteered for the Army after Pearl Harbor, and was rejected for about six hours. He was rejected for his size, at 4'11", and about 90 pounds he was too small. He signed up in Bluefield WV, and was sent to Maxwell Army Airfield for induction. A senior officer from the Aerial Gunnery School started chatting with him, and when the Officer found out he was being rejected for his size, he only had one question, "have you ever hunted birds"?. Of course he had, he grew up in mining towns, that's how they put food on the table. He ended up in the Aerial Gunnery School, and excelled at it to the point he was made an instructor after graduation. The early phases of the school was to put the students in the bed of a truck with a shotgun, and fire at targets as they pass by. What is old is new again. That's a pretty cool story |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:08:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Another source was a little more sarcastic about it 😁 It turned out that the Kh-47M2 travels at much slower speeds, which makes interception possible. As a result Russian developers of Kinzhal were sent to prison. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
What’s their final closure speed? They are more or less different variants of the same base weapon no? Air launched Kinzhal listed as mach 10. Ground launched Iksandr mach 6 or 7. And you are right, different variant of same weapon. I believe those are max velocities while under boost but rapidly lose it when descending. IIRC they drop below Mach 5 by the time they are approaching the target. They only “hypersonic” in a small segment of their flight. So really more of a quasi-hypersonic. Same basic missile as the Iskander (ground launch) which is not considered hypersonic at all. Only the air launch of the Kinzhal allows it it reach above Mach 5 briefly. You are right, getting down to the details. I misread Finslayers post as top speed. Another source was a little more sarcastic about it 😁 It turned out that the Kh-47M2 travels at much slower speeds, which makes interception possible. As a result Russian developers of Kinzhal were sent to prison. lol, someone is in trouble because they are underperforming. Some more info. https://mwi.usma.edu/hypersonic-hype-russias-kinzhal-missiles-and-the-lessons-for-air-defense/ |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:09:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fxebir_XwAIEjSP?format=jpg&name=large Precision Aerial Munitions = GLSDB I hope!!! |
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USA
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:11:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Odd the vatniks never make any threads in GD about things like that. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:11:58 PM EST
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:13:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
The gloves need to fucking come off. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:16:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coralreefer: Precision Aerial Munitions = GLSDB I hope!!! Once it is shot down, that leaves literally tons of steel and titanium debris moving faster than the speed of sound. While far less dangerous than allowing it to hit a target and detonate, that debris is still very dangerous. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:17:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Audio of intercepts the other night, drones in Kiev.
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:28:17 PM EST
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ISW assessment for May 31st.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-31-2023 |
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USA
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:30:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Another source was a little more sarcastic about it 😁 It turned out that the Kh-47M2 travels at much slower speeds, which makes interception possible. As a result Russian developers of Kinzhal were sent to prison. That will surely encourage more weapons development in Russia and attract good engineers to work on their stuff. If your missile gets shot down you go to the work camp. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:31:56 PM EST
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According to medics, 14 people are currently injured in the Dnipro and Desnyan districts. 9 were hospitalized. Five received help on the spot.
https://t.me/vitaliy_klitschko/2047 |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:37:26 PM EST
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:41:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: Kingsmen]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The gloves need to fucking come off. It's time for atacms, Russia can't just rain missiles and drones on Kyiv infinitely without consequences. They aren't even going for infrastructure at this point, just raining terror on the city. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:42:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Super good article: Russians voicing support for 'special operation' while empathizing with mobilization dodgers. I'd really suggest giving it a read. Very interesting, thanks for posting! |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:46:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, someone is in trouble because they are underperforming. Some more info. https://mwi.usma.edu/hypersonic-hype-russias-kinzhal-missiles-and-the-lessons-for-air-defense/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
What’s their final closure speed? They are more or less different variants of the same base weapon no? Air launched Kinzhal listed as mach 10. Ground launched Iksandr mach 6 or 7. And you are right, different variant of same weapon. I believe those are max velocities while under boost but rapidly lose it when descending. IIRC they drop below Mach 5 by the time they are approaching the target. They only “hypersonic” in a small segment of their flight. So really more of a quasi-hypersonic. Same basic missile as the Iskander (ground launch) which is not considered hypersonic at all. Only the air launch of the Kinzhal allows it it reach above Mach 5 briefly. You are right, getting down to the details. I misread Finslayers post as top speed. Another source was a little more sarcastic about it 😁 It turned out that the Kh-47M2 travels at much slower speeds, which makes interception possible. As a result Russian developers of Kinzhal were sent to prison. lol, someone is in trouble because they are underperforming. Some more info. https://mwi.usma.edu/hypersonic-hype-russias-kinzhal-missiles-and-the-lessons-for-air-defense/ Thanks! Excellent and up-to-date article. I liked this statement 😂 Additionally, it is vital to not allow the recent successes over Kyiv to create complacency in the missile defense community. Policymakers cannot afford the luxury of assuming future hypersonic missiles will be plagued by as corrupt and inept a development as the Kinzhal. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:47:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The gloves need to fucking come off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
The gloves need to fucking come off. 100% |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:50:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: My grandfather volunteered for the Army after Pearl Harbor, and was rejected for about six hours. He was rejected for his size, at 4'11", and about 90 pounds he was too small. He signed up in Bluefield WV, and was sent to Maxwell Army Airfield for induction. A senior officer from the Aerial Gunnery School started chatting with him, and when the Officer found out he was being rejected for his size, he only had one question, "have you ever hunted birds"?. Of course he had, he grew up in mining towns, that's how they put food on the table. He ended up in the Aerial Gunnery School, and excelled at it to the point he was made an instructor after graduation. The early phases of the school was to put the students in the bed of a truck with a shotgun, and fire at targets as they pass by. What is old is new again. About 20 years ago, I spent a week in Bluefield. It was a pretty little town with a nice swimming pool at the YMCA. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:53:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingsmen: It's time for atacms, Russia can't just rain missiles and drones on Kyiv infinitely without consequences. They aren't even going for infrastructure at this point, just raining terror on the city. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingsmen: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The gloves need to fucking come off. It's time for atacms, Russia can't just rain missiles and drones on Kyiv infinitely without consequences. They aren't even going for infrastructure at this point, just raining terror on the city. I would love to see how the Russian S-400 system would fair under a saturation attack of ATACMS, decoys, Storm Shadows and smaller drones. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:54:36 PM EST
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 Attached FileHeads up guys this is making rounds in some of the “q” circles apparently. My uncle sent it to me trying talk up Russias “winning” against the globohomo. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:57:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doritodust: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470154/E47D2E7F-2D95-4CC9-AA1A-CB1D74613E58_jpe-2836148.JPG Heads up guys this is making rounds in some of the “q” circles apparently. My uncle sent it to me trying talk up Russias “winning” against the globohomo.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:05:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:09:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryAnd the Tuckertards will swallow all of it hook, line, sinker, rod and fucking fishing boat. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:10:11 PM EST
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This tweet had a nice animation showing how the PAC-3 interceptors work.
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:12:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarineGrunt: And the Tuckertards will swallow all of it hook, line, sinker, rod and fucking fishing boat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarineGrunt: And the Tuckertards will swallow all of it hook, line, sinker, rod and fucking fishing boat. The last few years have shown me that mental illness is far more widespread than I previously imagined. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:14:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: Thanks for the effort you continue to make posting in this thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Now.
Thanks for the effort you continue to make posting in this thread. Yes, thanks for the timely updates. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:19:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Another really good article: United Russia and Partial Mobilization. The author's thesis is essentially that pro-war groups are gaining an increasing amount of influence over the Kremlin, and that they're causing the Kremlin to take actions it otherwise it wouldn't take. He also argues that the only way Russia can come away with a "win" is by giving up everything the war was meant to preserve. Pretty interesting, takes a couple of reads. TLDR; there is tension between official Russia who wants to formalize the political aspects of the war (to retain power and stabilize the status quo) without actually trying to win the war, and the far-right who wants to win the war but is inherently dangerous to those in power and the status quo. Neither faction serves the interests of Russia, but the far-right faction is actually more dangerous to the interests of the Russian people and the world. In another (IMO) parallel with 1930s Japan, this faction is like the hyper-patriotic/hyper-militant faction of the Japanese Army, which more of less captured Japanese policy through direct and unapproved military action and political assassinations, starting Japan down the road which could only lead to its destruction against massively stronger powers. Boiled down - Russia will either become North Korea (2023) or Japan (1940) with nukes. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:25:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: 🌐 Place: APP #Grayvoron 🗓 Date: ~22.05.2023 🇺🇦 Pіdrozdil: RDK 📌 Geolocation: 50.42916, 35.58934 📂 Description: A small video call on a recent work. APP Grayvoron, Bіlgorodskaya obl. ❗️Jerelo "A small but vivid video report on our past operation on the territory of the Belgorod region temporarily occupied by the Kremlin scum. In a day, we managed to take control of an area larger than the entire Bakhmut. So far, this is only a test of our strength, although during such " exercises "we were able to steal a new armored personnel carrier 82A! Further more! Glory to the RDK!" Subscribe | Chat channel https://t.me/WarArchive_ua/1471
Pretty cool, video implies they were probably in that hangar with the captured BTR when the two Russian SU-34s (video released by Russia) missed it badly with bombs. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:26:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: klinc]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: I would love to see how the Russian S-400 system would fair under a saturation attack of ATACMS, decoys, Storm Shadows and smaller drones. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Kingsmen: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The gloves need to fucking come off. It's time for atacms, Russia can't just rain missiles and drones on Kyiv infinitely without consequences. They aren't even going for infrastructure at this point, just raining terror on the city. I would love to see how the Russian S-400 system would fair under a saturation attack of ATACMS, decoys, Storm Shadows and smaller drones. As an 70s/80s kid I would chuckle at shit raining down on red square. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:26:27 PM EST
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:27:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: We are all driving japanese, Korean, and German cars. What's the difference? Now that I am older I understand the Look my Dad gave me when I came home with a German car in the 70s. Got the look again when I bought a Japanese car in the 80s. I guess he felt like they fought WW2 for nothing. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:29:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Footage is out, but more were arrested for filming air defence activity in Kiev. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/13x0cld/the_work_of_ukrainian_air_defense_over_kyiv_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb Seems like that was a shaheed interception. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:32:11 PM EST
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🇩🇪The German government has updated the list of military aid to Ukraine, where deliveries are announced:
▪️ tracked all-terrain vehicles Bv206. ▪️ 66 unknown armored personnel carriers. They will probably be TPz 1 Fuchs, but no exact data yet. https://t.me/operativnoZSU/98893 |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:34:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:41:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: I proposed a study on this once. I should slide it back in since drone fest kicked off last year! I think having a couple semi auto shotguns max drone choke is a good idea for a squad. The dive bomb kamikaze and ones too high up (but not yet predator kinda class) are the ones that would worry me. I’d like to see some phased array microphones get tested out there for detection. Thats been looked at. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By birdbarian: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
What's the right shot for drones? #2? Tungsten!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1141-2835837.jpg I proposed a study on this once. I should slide it back in since drone fest kicked off last year! I think having a couple semi auto shotguns max drone choke is a good idea for a squad. The dive bomb kamikaze and ones too high up (but not yet predator kinda class) are the ones that would worry me. I’d like to see some phased array microphones get tested out there for detection. Thats been looked at. Based on watching videos, I’m not sure a shotgun will do much good. Most targets of FPV strikes do not even see the drone, especially if the FOV drone is being coached in by a second spotter drone. If they do see it, it’s usually too late to act. We are probably seeing confirmation bias regarding drones. We aren’t shown the videos where either EW or rifle fire shoots down drones. Rifles might be relatively effective and will do it out as far as the drone can be seen. Shotguns would be limited to 100m or so, and your typical DJI bomber operates above that, let alone a DJI spotting from 2km away. If you have a shotgun in your hands and if you’re alert 100% of the time, you might get one chance to blow up an RPG round headed straight for you. 
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:44:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: The thing that sucks about these Iskander missiles is that they are freaking huge, like nearly five tons, and nearly a ton of that is warhead. Once it is shot down, that leaves literally tons of steel and titanium debris moving faster than the speed of sound. While far less dangerous than allowing it to hit a target and detonate, that debris is still very dangerous. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:45:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doritodust: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470154/E47D2E7F-2D95-4CC9-AA1A-CB1D74613E58_jpe-2836148.JPG Heads up guys this is making rounds in some of the "q" circles apparently. My uncle sent it to me trying talk up Russias "winning" against the globohomo. Seems pretty clear to me the only guy working hard at depopulation is putin. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:48:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Germany likely has mountains of cold war surplus. Remember, for 50 years they prepared to fight WWIII in their own country, and it was projected to be a slug fest. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: It seems they want to completely shut down the Bundeswehr this year.  There can't be much left to give away.  Maybe not, RobertRTG probably has a lot of it, and KeepShootin’ back in the day. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:50:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: That's a pretty cool story Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Originally Posted By Lightning_P38: My grandfather volunteered for the Army after Pearl Harbor, and was rejected for about six hours. He was rejected for his size, at 4'11", and about 90 pounds he was too small. He signed up in Bluefield WV, and was sent to Maxwell Army Airfield for induction. A senior officer from the Aerial Gunnery School started chatting with him, and when the Officer found out he was being rejected for his size, he only had one question, "have you ever hunted birds"?. Of course he had, he grew up in mining towns, that's how they put food on the table. He ended up in the Aerial Gunnery School, and excelled at it to the point he was made an instructor after graduation. The early phases of the school was to put the students in the bed of a truck with a shotgun, and fire at targets as they pass by. What is old is new again. That's a pretty cool story I think I remember seeing a history channel episode on that operation. As a Pennsyltucky native-makes me proud! |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:53:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The gloves need to fucking come off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
The gloves need to fucking come off. Amen. F them the F up-please! Now that air defense has casualties down so low, I hope they can focus on the casualties and showcase the lives cut shot by Russia. It’s a sad PR game but it’s the world we live in. LOOK at those kids that won’t grow up. Fuck the orcs. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:57:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doritodust: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470154/E47D2E7F-2D95-4CC9-AA1A-CB1D74613E58_jpe-2836148.JPG Heads up guys this is making rounds in some of the “q” circles apparently. My uncle sent it to me trying talk up Russias “winning” against the globohomo. So his plan to address this depopulation scheme is to throw his people away in a pointless war in high numbers? Well, okay |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:59:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The gloves need to fucking come off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
The gloves need to fucking come off. I don’t disagree, but: Russia just blew 1.7B+ and a significant chunk of its remaining PGMs to kill half a dozen people. I think they should be encouraged/prodded/provoked by all means necessary to continue doing exactly what they’re doing. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 10:02:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: Freiheit8472]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Based on watching videos, I’m not sure a shotgun will do much good. Most targets of FPV strikes do not even see the drone, especially if the FOV drone is being coached in by a second spotter drone. If they do see it, it’s usually too late to act. We are probably seeing confirmation bias regarding drones. We aren’t shown the videos where either EW or rifle fire shoots down drones. Rifles might be relatively effective and will do it out as far as the drone can be seen. Shotguns would be limited to 100m or so, and your typical DJI bomber operates above that, let alone a DJI spotting from 2km away. If you have a shotgun in your hands and if you’re alert 100% of the time, you might get one chance to blow up an RPG round headed straight for you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By birdbarian: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
What's the right shot for drones? #2? Tungsten!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1141-2835837.jpg I proposed a study on this once. I should slide it back in since drone fest kicked off last year! I think having a couple semi auto shotguns max drone choke is a good idea for a squad. The dive bomb kamikaze and ones too high up (but not yet predator kinda class) are the ones that would worry me. I’d like to see some phased array microphones get tested out there for detection. Thats been looked at. Based on watching videos, I’m not sure a shotgun will do much good. Most targets of FPV strikes do not even see the drone, especially if the FOV drone is being coached in by a second spotter drone. If they do see it, it’s usually too late to act. We are probably seeing confirmation bias regarding drones. We aren’t shown the videos where either EW or rifle fire shoots down drones. Rifles might be relatively effective and will do it out as far as the drone can be seen. Shotguns would be limited to 100m or so, and your typical DJI bomber operates above that, let alone a DJI spotting from 2km away. If you have a shotgun in your hands and if you’re alert 100% of the time, you might get one chance to blow up an RPG round headed straight for you. Agreed completely. That’s why I worry about those. The skeet shooting will be limited to relatively low, slow moving drones (by probably inexperienced pilots). As a matter of due diligence-using small arms to take out drones should be studied. Since a soldier WILL use what is around him to do whatever he can. So there should be a report on-ok, well if you must-this is the small arm to use in such a such scenario. And throw a couple of those in the cache, if anything it will be a moral thing. That Israeli targeting scope looks like a great idea to me, pared with slugs or bullets. Essentially a mini ciws. That’s probably the brute force solution that would let soldiers sleep better. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 10:11:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Agreed completely. That’s why I worry about those. The skeet shooting will be limited to relatively low, slow moving drones (by probably inexperienced pilots). As a matter of due diligence-using small arms to take out drones should be studied. Since a soldier WILL use what is around him to do whatever he can. So there should be a report on-ok, well if you must-this is the small arm to use in such a such scenario. And throw a couple of those in the cache, if anything it will be a moral thing. That Israeli targeting scope looks like a great idea to me, pared with slugs or bullets. Essentially a mini ciws. That’s probably the brute force solution that would let soldiers sleep better. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By birdbarian: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
What's the right shot for drones? #2? Tungsten!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1141-2835837.jpg I proposed a study on this once. I should slide it back in since drone fest kicked off last year! I think having a couple semi auto shotguns max drone choke is a good idea for a squad. The dive bomb kamikaze and ones too high up (but not yet predator kinda class) are the ones that would worry me. I’d like to see some phased array microphones get tested out there for detection. Thats been looked at. Based on watching videos, I’m not sure a shotgun will do much good. Most targets of FPV strikes do not even see the drone, especially if the FOV drone is being coached in by a second spotter drone. If they do see it, it’s usually too late to act. We are probably seeing confirmation bias regarding drones. We aren’t shown the videos where either EW or rifle fire shoots down drones. Rifles might be relatively effective and will do it out as far as the drone can be seen. Shotguns would be limited to 100m or so, and your typical DJI bomber operates above that, let alone a DJI spotting from 2km away. If you have a shotgun in your hands and if you’re alert 100% of the time, you might get one chance to blow up an RPG round headed straight for you. Agreed completely. That’s why I worry about those. The skeet shooting will be limited to relatively low, slow moving drones (by probably inexperienced pilots). As a matter of due diligence-using small arms to take out drones should be studied. Since a soldier WILL use what is around him to do whatever he can. So there should be a report on-ok, well if you must-this is the small arm to use in such a such scenario. And throw a couple of those in the cache, if anything it will be a moral thing. That Israeli targeting scope looks like a great idea to me, pared with slugs or bullets. Essentially a mini ciws. That’s probably the brute force solution that would let soldiers sleep better. Israeli smartshooter scope  Get a motorized gimbal on that, set it up on a high point=sleep well! |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 10:19:29 PM EST
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[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Agreed completely. That’s why I worry about those. The skeet shooting will be limited to relatively low, slow moving drones (by probably inexperienced pilots). As a matter of due diligence-using small arms to take out drones should be studied. Since a soldier WILL use what is around him to do whatever he can. So there should be a report on-ok, well if you must-this is the small arm to use in such a such scenario. And throw a couple of those in the cache, if anything it will be a moral thing. That Israeli targeting scope looks like a great idea to me, pared with slugs or bullets. Essentially a mini ciws. That’s probably the brute force solution that would let soldiers sleep better. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By birdbarian: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
What's the right shot for drones? #2? Tungsten!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1141-2835837.jpg I proposed a study on this once. I should slide it back in since drone fest kicked off last year! I think having a couple semi auto shotguns max drone choke is a good idea for a squad. The dive bomb kamikaze and ones too high up (but not yet predator kinda class) are the ones that would worry me. I’d like to see some phased array microphones get tested out there for detection. Thats been looked at. Based on watching videos, I’m not sure a shotgun will do much good. Most targets of FPV strikes do not even see the drone, especially if the FOV drone is being coached in by a second spotter drone. If they do see it, it’s usually too late to act. We are probably seeing confirmation bias regarding drones. We aren’t shown the videos where either EW or rifle fire shoots down drones. Rifles might be relatively effective and will do it out as far as the drone can be seen. Shotguns would be limited to 100m or so, and your typical DJI bomber operates above that, let alone a DJI spotting from 2km away. If you have a shotgun in your hands and if you’re alert 100% of the time, you might get one chance to blow up an RPG round headed straight for you. Agreed completely. That’s why I worry about those. The skeet shooting will be limited to relatively low, slow moving drones (by probably inexperienced pilots). As a matter of due diligence-using small arms to take out drones should be studied. Since a soldier WILL use what is around him to do whatever he can. So there should be a report on-ok, well if you must-this is the small arm to use in such a such scenario. And throw a couple of those in the cache, if anything it will be a moral thing. That Israeli targeting scope looks like a great idea to me, pared with slugs or bullets. Essentially a mini ciws. That’s probably the brute force solution that would let soldiers sleep better. I’m thinking an ACOG with piggyback RDS. You get the ACOG mag and FOV to scan the sky for spotters and engage out to 300m, and the RDS for FPV attacks, while giving up nothing for ground use. You’d have to practice high-angle shooting and preferably have a reticle set up for that. One investment this war has convinced me to make is another ACOG/RMR setup. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 10:19:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Dollar store mathematician doing the firing solution again? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Prime:
Dollar store mathematician doing the firing solution again? |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 10:30:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doritodust: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470154/E47D2E7F-2D95-4CC9-AA1A-CB1D74613E58_jpe-2836148.JPG Heads up guys this is making rounds in some of the “q” circles apparently. My uncle sent it to me trying talk up Russias “winning” against the globohomo. The Q cult just won't let this BS go. It's incredibly frustrating. |
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