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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:16:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: still no. Russia built an early warning system to warn them of nuclear fucking attack and it doesn't work because everyone pocketed the money So they are ineptly corrupt while the USA has perfected high-quality corruption. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:23:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Someone here who knows more than I do said there are ties, but not really a yearning to reunite. It is my understanding that Moldova was created by the USSR after WWII. To create a little buffer, which they seem to like so much. I dont think there is ANYTHING different between Romania and Moldova by culture or language. Being that they are both relatively poor countries, I doubt they see any benefit to join or unite, except maybe now for protection against Russian since Romania is in the EU and NATO. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:26:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fxj3w8KXsAALrAz?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
IMO this is the strategic target Ukraine should attack - the Russian energy industry. Leave the political targets and even the strategic bombers alone, send every drone they can make to every refinery within 1,000 miles. Then watch the Russians squeal. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:27:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: It is my understanding that Moldova was created by the USSR after WWII. To create a little buffer, which they seem to like so much. I dont think there is ANYTHING different between Romania and Moldova by culture or language. Being that they are both relatively poor countries, I doubt they see any benefit to join or unite, except maybe now for protection against Russian since Romania is in the EU and NATO. Make Bessarabia Great Again? |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:28:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XJ: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54750/bridge-2836691.png  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:29:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Highlights from the future combat air and space capabilities summit, with lessons being learned from Ukraine. https://www.aerosociety.com/news/highlights-from-the-raes-future-combat-air-space-capabilities-summit/ From the article... “there are some out there that say that air dominance is not critical. And that what matters is owning key terrain, mashing of forces and logistics to really support an artillery slugfest. I disagree. If anything is conflict demonstrates that the protracted brutality of a conflict where neither side has gained air dominance”. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:29:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile:
I am amused. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:30:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Interesting side show to Ukraine. Will Iran finally go too far and get its Shahit pushed in for good?
  I'm still pissed at the non-response to their missile attack on our base. That was a message that desperately needed to be sent. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:36:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Direct corruption .vs indirect. I was born in a country where you couldn't get ANYTHING official done without a carton of cigs, a little cash, or a bottle of vodka. Now I live in a country where billions are spent to bombard me and my family with advertisements to feed us sugar and caffein (and who knows what) to get us hooked on prescription meds for diabetes, anxiety, and obesity. All the while my banks and credit card companies, social media, news outlets, sports and entertainment companies all actively collude with my government to further a secret surveillance state that would make our old Securitate blush with shame. Our politicians make millions protecting and furthering this scheme and EVERYONE "official" is lying to me about everything. Big Pharma is getting billions of my tax dollars to push experimental drugs on me and my kids WHILE THE GOVERNMENT is protecting them and actively hiding the truth for kickbacks and to keep the scheme going. This is just some of the shit I know about from last year. Who knows what else is happening. Jeff Epstein, Clintons, Biden family... I'd rather pay a $20 bribe to a cop then to pay $200,000 in legal fees because I supported the "wrong" President. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: When I was a kid our church had missionaries in the Philippines and we had a donation drive for supplies for them. It was enough to ship a pallet of stuff. The pastor on the receiving end talked about the line of hands outstretched to receive cash just to get the pallet out of customs. In America we watch the news, see things that smell bad and INFER corruption. In other nations personal daily contact with corruption right in front of your face is the norm. In places like russia EVERYONE is on the take. Direct corruption .vs indirect. I was born in a country where you couldn't get ANYTHING official done without a carton of cigs, a little cash, or a bottle of vodka. Now I live in a country where billions are spent to bombard me and my family with advertisements to feed us sugar and caffein (and who knows what) to get us hooked on prescription meds for diabetes, anxiety, and obesity. All the while my banks and credit card companies, social media, news outlets, sports and entertainment companies all actively collude with my government to further a secret surveillance state that would make our old Securitate blush with shame. Our politicians make millions protecting and furthering this scheme and EVERYONE "official" is lying to me about everything. Big Pharma is getting billions of my tax dollars to push experimental drugs on me and my kids WHILE THE GOVERNMENT is protecting them and actively hiding the truth for kickbacks and to keep the scheme going. This is just some of the shit I know about from last year. Who knows what else is happening. Jeff Epstein, Clintons, Biden family... I'd rather pay a $20 bribe to a cop then to pay $200,000 in legal fees because I supported the "wrong" President. Still….I’d rather live in America than wherever you came from. Sorry…but not really.. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:36:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I am amused. Yes. About the best 10 second summary of the war I could ever imagine (drunk). 10:10 |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:38:37 PM EST
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I may have missed this. Sorry if it is a dupe.
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:41:11 PM EST
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Occupied Belgorod has a nice ring to it.
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:42:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Still….I’d rather live in America than wherever you came from. Sorry…but not really.. I understand and I agree. It's not just a comparison of where 2 (or more) countries are at any given time regarding corruption. It's also about where they were and where they are now. When I arrived in the USA as a little kid in 1976, no one would ever dare speak "corruption" and "America" in the same sentence. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:46:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Occupied Belgorod has a nice ring to it. Now try “Former Russian Federation” and see how that feels. Mhmm. Good, right? |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:46:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I understand and I agree. It's not just a comparison of where 2 (or more) countries are at any given time regarding corruption. It's also about where they were and where they are now. When I arrived in the USA as a little kid in 1976, no one would ever dare speak "corruption" and "America" in the same sentence. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By kncook: Still….I’d rather live in America than wherever you came from. Sorry…but not really.. I understand and I agree. It's not just a comparison of where 2 (or more) countries are at any given time regarding corruption. It's also about where they were and where they are now. When I arrived in the USA as a little kid in 1976, no one would ever dare speak "corruption" and "America" in the same sentence. It may be you were a kid then and things seemed idealistic. You would find plenty of it in the 70s US….much more than many nations. You’re not going to find a “just” nation on this earth. As long as our constitution still exists this country has the best chance at being the best available on this planet….even if cheats and evil men are in charge. There is nowhere to flee to. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:48:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I understand and I agree. It's not just a comparison of where 2 (or more) countries are at any given time regarding corruption. It's also about where they were and where they are now. When I arrived in the USA as a little kid in 1976, no one would ever dare speak "corruption" and "America" in the same sentence. Chicago enters the thread, along with boston, nyc, and philly. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:48:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Take it to the Russians ... it is time ... |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:49:34 PM EST
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Cruise missiles tonight. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:50:58 PM EST
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Several more countries, systems.
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:53:51 PM EST
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Posted: 6/1/2023 5:55:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxiGHHKXwAYsBqB?format=jpg&name=medium Here's the geo-coordinate for that plant: 50°24'21.1"N 36°55'05.3"E 50.405855, 36.918135 |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:01:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Several more countries, systems.
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:12:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Very nice. Makes you wonder how many guys have already been trained with this in mind. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Several more countries, systems.
I think the amount of training is the biggest secret of the war. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:14:11 PM EST
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:15:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: We Americans, in general, have no idea how good we have it. Fact. Some exposure to living in other places would change that. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:21:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: From the article... “there are some out there that say that air dominance is not critical. And that what matters is owning key terrain, mashing of forces and logistics to really support an artillery slugfest. I disagree. If anything is conflict demonstrates that the protracted brutality of a conflict where neither side has gained air dominance”. Extremely telling comment there. Taking it a step further if Ukraine was given the means to exert local dominance and overall superiority things would go very differently. Political considerations aside. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:30:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I agree with this. Certainly in net dollar amount of corruption and % of totally corrupt politicians, officials, and political operatives...No contest. Probably Ukraine, like most 2nd and 3rd World countries, has more "low level" corruption like cops and building inspectors asking for bribes but as far as upper level, institutional corruption the USA "may" be #1. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I in no way would argue the US is the most corrupt, but I would argue that the US is more corrupt than Ukraine. I agree with this. Certainly in net dollar amount of corruption and % of totally corrupt politicians, officials, and political operatives...No contest. Probably Ukraine, like most 2nd and 3rd World countries, has more "low level" corruption like cops and building inspectors asking for bribes but as far as upper level, institutional corruption the USA "may" be #1. If you feel that America is the pinnacle (or even in the top 10) of worldwide corruption you have fallen hook, line, and sinker for Russian and/or leftist propaganda no different than the qtards or the foamers in GD IMO. Because that's precisely the sort of thinking that is destroying our trust in our democratic institutions. The US certainly isn't perfect but don't believe we're even in the top 20. Sometimes I wonder what happened to ARFCOM. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:30:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Highlights from the future combat air and space capabilities summit, with lessons being learned from Ukraine. https://www.aerosociety.com/news/highlights-from-the-raes-future-combat-air-space-capabilities-summit/ Right off the bat they identify one of the key issues. One that should be taken to heart for Taiwan as well. In the China thread some of the “sme” think we will be fighting without air dominance and have some way of winning. Against China. In Asia. If we don’t believe we can establish air dominance then I think fighting at all out to be seriously reconsidered. The ratio of Ukraine manpower to Russian is an order or two magnitude greater than Taiwan versus China. Deputy Commander NATO Air Command, AM Johnny Stringer RAF, kicked off the conference by giving a high-level overview of some of the key operational level implications from Ukraine, including Electronic Warfare, the “need to be serious about integrated air and missile defence” and the importance of SEAD. He noted: “What you are seeing particularly in Ukraine at the moment, is how essential it is to secure the necessary level of access to airspace. If you don't, standby for a bloody attritional slog with images that look like they have come out of World War One”. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:31:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: I may have missed this. Sorry if it is a dupe.
Ukraine needs to keep reminding nations of what is going to happen if Russia gets what they want as a result of invading other countries. In addition to what Russia will do, other countries are paying attention to see if it works. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:34:41 PM EST
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:35:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: This is how we become allies with the Taliban. I'm still pissed at the non-response to their missile attack on our base. That was a message that desperately needed to be sent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Interesting side show to Ukraine. Will Iran finally go too far and get its Shahit pushed in for good?
I'm still pissed at the non-response to their missile attack on our base. That was a message that desperately needed to be sent. It would be nice to get some payback but I think it’ll needs to wait for ANY President and admin other than the Biden/Milley ticket. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:35:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Highlights from the future combat air and space capabilities summit, with lessons being learned from Ukraine. https://www.aerosociety.com/news/highlights-from-the-raes-future-combat-air-space-capabilities-summit/ Definitely thought provoking and somewhat horrifying. We’re going to see some shit in the next 10 years or so. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:37:48 PM EST
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:39:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Occupied Belgorod has a nice ring to it. Yep. Then import thousands of Ukrainians to “reclaim ancestral lands”, then have a referendum to join with Ukraine or stay in Russia. Oh, and welcome UA tanks to ensure free and fair voting. You know, like all Peoples Republics do.
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:40:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Definitely thought provoking and somewhat horrifying. We’re going to see some shit in the next 10 years or so. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Highlights from the future combat air and space capabilities summit, with lessons being learned from Ukraine. https://www.aerosociety.com/news/highlights-from-the-raes-future-combat-air-space-capabilities-summit/ Definitely thought provoking and somewhat horrifying. We’re going to see some shit in the next 10 years or so. Yeah, also from the summit.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/artificial-intelligence-enabled-drone-went-full-terminator-in-air-force-test |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:42:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YesChef: Now try “Former Russian Federation” and see how that feels. Mhmm. Good, right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YesChef: Originally Posted By sq40: Occupied Belgorod has a nice ring to it. Now try “Former Russian Federation” and see how that feels. Mhmm. Good, right? 
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:46:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Extremely telling comment there. Taking it a step further if Ukraine was given the means to exert local dominance and overall superiority things would go very differently. Political considerations aside. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: From the article... “there are some out there that say that air dominance is not critical. And that what matters is owning key terrain, mashing of forces and logistics to really support an artillery slugfest. I disagree. If anything is conflict demonstrates that the protracted brutality of a conflict where neither side has gained air dominance”. Extremely telling comment there. Taking it a step further if Ukraine was given the means to exert local dominance and overall superiority things would go very differently. Political considerations aside. I bet there was a mad rush and late late night PowerPoint updates in the last week for those air warfare presentations!  |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:47:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yeah, also from the summit.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/artificial-intelligence-enabled-drone-went-full-terminator-in-air-force-test Speaking of that, "she_wants_the_ISRD" on IG had this video, titled "Hey Russia, this is how air defense is supposed to work".
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:47:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I think the amount of training is the biggest secret of the war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Several more countries, systems.
I think the amount of training is the biggest secret of the war. I’ve also wondered if some of the timing coincides with the drawing down of legacy soviet systems. Meaning, as they run lower and lower on S300 (etc) missiles, more units convert to western systems. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:48:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Chicago enters the thread, along with boston, nyc, and philly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I understand and I agree. It's not just a comparison of where 2 (or more) countries are at any given time regarding corruption. It's also about where they were and where they are now. When I arrived in the USA as a little kid in 1976, no one would ever dare speak "corruption" and "America" in the same sentence. Chicago enters the thread, along with boston, nyc, and philly. Don't forget New Orleans! ITCHY-FINGER, I don't know where you're from but I can't imagine in the 1970's coming to America from almost anywhere and not feeling like you had come to a land flowing with milk an honey. Yet, and I mean this with all due respect, maybe consider that you had a level of youthful naivety as we all did as kids. Instances of governmental corruption go back a couple hundred years in this country. NYC in the 1800's was run by Tammany Hall and it was corrupt to it's very core. New Orleans has a Looooong (pun intended) history of corruption in politics. Do a little reading on Huey Long. Or read up on Andrew Jackson and the spoils system. He cleared out HUNDREDS of government positions to put friends family and cronies in high paying jobs. Prohibition was second only to slavery in my opinion as being a long term damaging idea to this country and that was a century ago. No other single government act contributed more to the widespread acceptance of corruption by the average person. Organized crime exploded during that time. (Hello Chicago) I take the complete opposite view regarding corruption at the top versus at the bottom. Narcissists and psychopaths always claw their way up to the top or near the top of organizations. That some megalomaniac feels entitled to use his position for personal benefit is something that's going to happen in any culture and in any government. It's not necessarily a reflection of the morality of an entire people or culture. The level of smaller more pervasive corruption you see in the average worker bee in charge of nothing or next to nothing is what I see as a barometer of a cultures values or morals. When that level of individual corruption is high there is an acceptance of the bigger and systemic corruption in a nation. When it's low there is a constant push against the bigger systemic corruption. That's what leads to things like racketeering laws in the United States and led to Tammany Hall getting shut down. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:50:58 PM EST
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More activity in Kursk. Ruscom air defenses making noise but apparently missing their targets.
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:52:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I’ve also wondered if some of the timing coincides with the drawing down of legacy soviet systems. Meaning, as they run lower and lower on S300 (etc) missiles, more units convert to western systems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Several more countries, systems.
I think the amount of training is the biggest secret of the war. I’ve also wondered if some of the timing coincides with the drawing down of legacy soviet systems. Meaning, as they run lower and lower on S300 (etc) missiles, more units convert to western systems. I am suspecting some of that as well. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:55:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yeah, also from the summit.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/artificial-intelligence-enabled-drone-went-full-terminator-in-air-force-test Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Highlights from the future combat air and space capabilities summit, with lessons being learned from Ukraine. https://www.aerosociety.com/news/highlights-from-the-raes-future-combat-air-space-capabilities-summit/ Definitely thought provoking and somewhat horrifying. We’re going to see some shit in the next 10 years or so. Yeah, also from the summit.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/artificial-intelligence-enabled-drone-went-full-terminator-in-air-force-test I watched a NATO/EU conference today and there was a fairly long piece on the EU demanding “immediate” action on an AI “code of ethics”. I figured it was coming from somewhere because these weren’t academics talking about a sci-fi novel. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:56:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Speaking of that, "she_wants_the_ISRD" on IG had this video, titled "Hey Russia, this is how air defense is supposed to work".
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yeah, also from the summit.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/artificial-intelligence-enabled-drone-went-full-terminator-in-air-force-test Speaking of that, "she_wants_the_ISRD" on IG had this video, titled "Hey Russia, this is how air defense is supposed to work".
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Posted: 6/1/2023 6:57:28 PM EST
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:02:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Fact. Some exposure to living in other places would change that. I lived in the Bahamas for a couple of years , with plenty of trips back Ft.Lauderdale to break things up and was still happy to move back to the U.S. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:05:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Occupied Belgorod has a nice ring to it.  |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:12:59 PM EST
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:19:08 PM EST
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:21:21 PM EST
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Another gem from the UK hosted air warfare conference:
Maj Purbrick pointed out that some Army units are already operating relatively sophisticated and expensive UAS systems. “The Queen’s Dragoon Guards are fresh back from Mali,” he explained. “They took around 30 UAVs with them and we came back to two! They broke, they got lost, they deteriorated with the conditions and couldn’t be fixed - there aren’t many trees in Mali but they found them! So we [the Army] have expensive, unique, long contract RPAS craft that lack options and lack adaptability whereas our potential adversaries have cheap, quick, easy to repair or disposable and most often lethal COTS drones. If they're not lethal by direct effects, they’re lethal by the effect that they can bring upon us.” It is very easy for defense bureaucrats to write RFQs and RFPs that include some obscure “capability” that is not essential but serves to weed out COTS based solutions. And as the UK commander implied, can we instead of developing 100% proprietary solutions use 90% COTS and add just the components/programming needed to ensure security? I think Ukraine is doing this: by volumes of low cost open market drones and then replace the control module. |
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