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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:23:35 PM EST
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Ghost page.
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:26:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Another gem from the UK hosted air warfare conference: Maj Purbrick pointed out that some Army units are already operating relatively sophisticated and expensive UAS systems. “The Queen’s Dragoon Guards are fresh back from Mali,” he explained. “They took around 30 UAVs with them and we came back to two! They broke, they got lost, they deteriorated with the conditions and couldn’t be fixed - there aren’t many trees in Mali but they found them! So we [the Army] have expensive, unique, long contract RPAS craft that lack options and lack adaptability whereas our potential adversaries have cheap, quick, easy to repair or disposable and most often lethal COTS drones. If they're not lethal by direct effects, they’re lethal by the effect that they can bring upon us.” He's not wrong. Ukraine is kicking them out for a couple hundred a piece with rapidly evolving systems. Meanwhile it will take us five years and tens of millions of dollars to get to milestone B. 
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:30:32 PM EST
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From the earlier Pantsir video, this one includes the video of the operator firing on the drone before it hits the vehicle.
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:31:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: When that level of individual corruption is high there is an acceptance of the bigger and systemic corruption in a nation. When it's low there is a constant push against the bigger systemic corruption. That's what leads to things like racketeering laws in the United States and led to Tammany Hall getting shut down. Very well said. I got on many good members' ignore lists for trying to explain to them how corruption works in corruption culture countries. Thinking that there can be more low level corruption but somehow the government can be honest is very naive, to the point of making me jealous for how the folks who grew up in the US are sheltered from the real structural corruption. By the way someone wondered in this thread how an average Russian couldn't see what the US stands for despite the US being so open. The answer is the Russians see everything through their corruption mindset. They simply can't believe the rule of law and justice for all and functioning government institutions can be real. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:31:41 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure that a good amount of my impression of Russian incompetence is due to Uke propaganda but still.......who leaves their border with a country they are invading unprotected like that?
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:36:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: I'm pretty sure that a good amount of my impression of Russian incompetence is due to Uke propaganda but still.......who leaves their border with a country they are invading unprotected like that? Someone who thought they owned the US President who promised to keep Ukraine out of Russia? Said President using “escalation” as a cover? Just a WAG. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:41:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I think the amount of training is the biggest secret of the war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Several more countries, systems. 
I think the amount of training is the biggest secret of the war. 
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:43:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Was this posted yet? Actual founder of Wagner has SS collar tattoos and signs letters with Lightning bolt SS. Names his PMC after Hitler’s favorite composer?
Do you Nazi the hypocrisy bro?
  
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:45:41 PM EST
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:54:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Was this posted yet? Actual founder of Wagner has SS collar tattoos and signs letters with Lightning bolt SS. Names his PMC after Hitler’s favorite composer? Do you Nazi the hypocrisy bro?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1186-2837057.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1187-2837058.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1188-2837060.jpg Yeah, about 3900 pages ago, and several times after. :) |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:59:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Someone who thought they owned the US President who promised to keep Ukraine out of Russia? Said President using "escalation" as a cover? Just a WAG. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By yekimak: I'm pretty sure that a good amount of my impression of Russian incompetence is due to Uke propaganda but still.......who leaves their border with a country they are invading unprotected like that? Someone who thought they owned the US President who promised to keep Ukraine out of Russia? Said President using "escalation" as a cover? Just a WAG. I think Russia just assumed Ukraine wouldn't dare attack them within their borders due to their nuclear deterrent. Same reason why China is not taking a chunk of Siberia right now. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:59:37 PM EST
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Russian drones trying to do battle damage assessment getting mopped up. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 7:59:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Was this posted yet? Actual founder of Wagner has SS collar tattoos and signs letters with Lightning bolt SS. Names his PMC after Hitler’s favorite composer? Do you Nazi the hypocrisy bro?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1186-2837057.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1187-2837058.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1188-2837060.jpg Yeah, it's been floating around for a while. It's one of many reasons why their "denazification" narrative regarding Ukraine is so hilarious. We'll just conveniently ignore Wagner and other far right formations that have been fighting for Russia in the Donbas since 2014, such as Varyag, Rusych, Imperial Legion, Russian Orthodox Army, Vostok, Sparta, Viking, etc. We'll also ignore the fact that Girkin, Gubarev, etc. have ties to far right groups in Russia. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:02:29 PM EST
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:04:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: I think Russia just assumed Ukraine wouldn't dare attack them within their borders due to their nuclear deterrent. Same reason why China is not taking a chunk of Siberia right now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By yekimak: I'm pretty sure that a good amount of my impression of Russian incompetence is due to Uke propaganda but still.......who leaves their border with a country they are invading unprotected like that? Someone who thought they owned the US President who promised to keep Ukraine out of Russia? Said President using "escalation" as a cover? Just a WAG. I think Russia just assumed Ukraine wouldn't dare attack them within their borders due to their nuclear deterrent. Same reason why China is not taking a chunk of Siberia right now.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:05:09 PM EST
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Is "air superiority" really achievable in a war like this? And with countless MANPADS around, can either side provide good support at the front line?
Wouldn't the aircraft have to be used as mostly missile trucks to try to hit stuff further back, like artillery and command and control targets? The types of things that are in semi-fixed positions. I'm not saying that using their air assets like that is useless, but I don't think it will diminish the slug fest at the front all that much, especially in the beginning. Once Ukraine busts through, Russia is going to have to do a mad dash of men and machines to that area. That will mean a whole lot of moving targets that would be ripe for the picking for Ukrainian aircraft doing bomb runs with appropriate ordinance. But how to you attack them without getting shot down? Missile carrying planes are nice for a sneak hit or two on Russian ships or important targets waaaay back from the front, but I don't see how they can directly help the grunts doing the fighting and dying, as much as I hate to say it. I hope I am completely wrong on this and Ukraine has enough tricks up their sleeves that they can dominate the air and really knock the ever living crap out of the Orcs once they bust through. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:05:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Still….I’d rather live in America than wherever you came from. Sorry…but not really.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: When I was a kid our church had missionaries in the Philippines and we had a donation drive for supplies for them. It was enough to ship a pallet of stuff. The pastor on the receiving end talked about the line of hands outstretched to receive cash just to get the pallet out of customs. In America we watch the news, see things that smell bad and INFER corruption. In other nations personal daily contact with corruption right in front of your face is the norm. In places like russia EVERYONE is on the take. Direct corruption .vs indirect. I was born in a country where you couldn't get ANYTHING official done without a carton of cigs, a little cash, or a bottle of vodka. Now I live in a country where billions are spent to bombard me and my family with advertisements to feed us sugar and caffein (and who knows what) to get us hooked on prescription meds for diabetes, anxiety, and obesity. All the while my banks and credit card companies, social media, news outlets, sports and entertainment companies all actively collude with my government to further a secret surveillance state that would make our old Securitate blush with shame. Our politicians make millions protecting and furthering this scheme and EVERYONE "official" is lying to me about everything. Big Pharma is getting billions of my tax dollars to push experimental drugs on me and my kids WHILE THE GOVERNMENT is protecting them and actively hiding the truth for kickbacks and to keep the scheme going. This is just some of the shit I know about from last year. Who knows what else is happening. Jeff Epstein, Clintons, Biden family... I'd rather pay a $20 bribe to a cop then to pay $200,000 in legal fees because I supported the "wrong" President. Still….I’d rather live in America than wherever you came from. Sorry…but not really.. Agree. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:06:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I understand and I agree. It's not just a comparison of where 2 (or more) countries are at any given time regarding corruption. It's also about where they were and where they are now. When I arrived in the USA as a little kid in 1976, no one would ever dare speak "corruption" and "America" in the same sentence. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By kncook: Still….I’d rather live in America than wherever you came from. Sorry…but not really.. I understand and I agree. It's not just a comparison of where 2 (or more) countries are at any given time regarding corruption. It's also about where they were and where they are now. When I arrived in the USA as a little kid in 1976, no one would ever dare speak "corruption" and "America" in the same sentence. Watergate -1972 |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:13:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: From the article... “there are some out there that say that air dominance is not critical. And that what matters is owning key terrain, mashing of forces and logistics to really support an artillery slugfest. I disagree. If anything is conflict demonstrates that the protracted brutality of a conflict where neither side has gained air dominance”. Disagree. The cost of establish air dominance is so great that anyone who can pay it also has land forces that would deter enemies. It’s simply not possible for most parties to conflicts. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:15:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Right off the bat they identify one of the key issues. One that should be taken to heart for Taiwan as well. In the China thread some of the “sme” think we will be fighting without air dominance and have some way of winning. Against China. In Asia. If we don’t believe we can establish air dominance then I think fighting at all out to be seriously reconsidered. The ratio of Ukraine manpower to Russian is an order or two magnitude greater than Taiwan versus China. Deputy Commander NATO Air Command, AM Johnny Stringer RAF, kicked off the conference by giving a high-level overview of some of the key operational level implications from Ukraine, including Electronic Warfare, the “need to be serious about integrated air and missile defence” and the importance of SEAD. He noted: “What you are seeing particularly in Ukraine at the moment, is how essential it is to secure the necessary level of access to airspace. If you don't, standby for a bloody attritional slog with images that look like they have come out of World War One”. The importance of air dominance in island and naval warfare is less even than on land. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:18:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: From the earlier Pantsir video, this one includes the video of the operator firing on the drone before it hits the vehicle.
Sounds like a child's nursery rhyme. "Liar, Liar, your Pantsir's on fire!" |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:23:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Is "air superiority" really achievable in a war like this? And with countless MANPADS around, can either side provide good support at the front line? Wouldn't the aircraft have to be used as mostly missile trucks to try to hit stuff further back, like artillery and command and control targets? The types of things that are in semi-fixed positions. I'm not saying that using their air assets like that is useless, but I don't think it will diminish the slug fest at the front all that much, especially in the beginning. Once Ukraine busts through, Russia is going to have to do a mad dash of men and machines to that area. That will mean a whole lot of moving targets that would be ripe for the picking for Ukrainian aircraft doing bomb runs with appropriate ordinance. But how to you attack them without getting shot down? Missile carrying planes are nice for a sneak hit or two on Russian ships or important targets waaaay back from the front, but I don't see how they can directly help the grunts doing the fighting and dying, as much as I hate to say it. I hope I am completely wrong on this and Ukraine has enough tricks up their sleeves that they can dominate the air and really knock the ever living crap out of the Orcs once they bust through. You got to remember that most countries do not have air superiority measures quite like the US … thus we get this … |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:46:11 PM EST
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ISW assessment for June 1st.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-1-2023 |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:48:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Was this posted yet? Actual founder of Wagner has SS collar tattoos and signs letters with Lightning bolt SS. Names his PMC after Hitler’s favorite composer? Do you Nazi the hypocrisy bro?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1186-2837057.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1187-2837058.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1188-2837060.jpg Can someone please explain to me the Russian fixation with the SS/Nazis? Was it the death-cult mentality of total subjugation to the Fatherland, or just that they were so “hardcore” and the Russians think Einsatzgruppen were peak military? They’re white supremacists in a country that is basically just white, and whose main opponent for 50 years was also basically white? None of it makes sense, and I imagine that will be the answer, but I’d like to know. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:49:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I’ve also wondered if some of the timing coincides with the drawing down of legacy soviet systems. Meaning, as they run lower and lower on S300 (etc) missiles, more units convert to western systems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Several more countries, systems.
I think the amount of training is the biggest secret of the war. I’ve also wondered if some of the timing coincides with the drawing down of legacy soviet systems. Meaning, as they run lower and lower on S300 (etc) missiles, more units convert to western systems. Clearly. That and a desire to give the Ukes "overmatch" and technical superiority in point and area Air Defenses. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:52:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Honestly, I think you can make an argument that the declining birthrates of Slavic Russians played a role in the rationale for the invasion. They likely thought they could incorporate millions of more Slavs in the fold through effectively squashing Ukrainian identity. This explains the kidnapping of Ukrainian children, the indoctrination camps the Russians are setting up in occupied areas like Mariupol, etc. Additionally, it also explains the policy of utilizing ethnic minorities as cannon fodder. This acts as another form of ethnic cleansing. As a whole, I do think it's fair to characterize this war as being genocidal on multiple levels on the part of the Russians. That is a fair point! |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:53:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AuNate: Watergate -1972 Was miniscule joke compared to 2016-2023. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:55:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YesChef: Can someone please explain to me the Russian fixation with the SS/Nazis? Was it the death-cult mentality of total subjugation to the Fatherland, or just that they were so “hardcore” and the Russians think Einsatzgruppen were peak military? They’re white supremacists in a country that is basically just white, and whose main opponent for 50 years was also basically white? None of it makes sense, and I imagine that will be the answer, but I’d like to know. When you add in their absolute worship of the Great Patriotic War and myopic view of Russia Stronk Fight War! the cognitive dissonance is amazing that they would have such a strong hero-worship of the actual nazis and especially the SS. The only thing that really makes sense is that it doesn't make sense, much like a large part of their thinking/beliefs. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 8:58:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Disagree. The cost of establish air dominance is so great that anyone who can pay it also has land forces that would deter enemies. It’s simply not possible for most parties to conflicts. Like a poster above stated, it's probably not achievable in the modern battlespace with the prevalence of manpads. You could maybe achieve dominance over an enemy air force but could you operate against near-peer ground forces at will? |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:01:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: Jaehaerys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YesChef: Can someone please explain to me the Russian fixation with the SS/Nazis? Was it the death-cult mentality of total subjugation to the Fatherland, or just that they were so “hardcore” and the Russians think Einsatzgruppen were peak military? They’re white supremacists in a country that is basically just white, and whose main opponent for 50 years was also basically white? None of it makes sense, and I imagine that will be the answer, but I’d like to know. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YesChef: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Was this posted yet? Actual founder of Wagner has SS collar tattoos and signs letters with Lightning bolt SS. Names his PMC after Hitler’s favorite composer? Do you Nazi the hypocrisy bro?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1186-2837057.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1187-2837058.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1188-2837060.jpg Can someone please explain to me the Russian fixation with the SS/Nazis? Was it the death-cult mentality of total subjugation to the Fatherland, or just that they were so “hardcore” and the Russians think Einsatzgruppen were peak military? They’re white supremacists in a country that is basically just white, and whose main opponent for 50 years was also basically white? None of it makes sense, and I imagine that will be the answer, but I’d like to know. Slavic neo-Nazis have never made much sense to me as a whole, but I can at least somewhat understand how, say, a Croatian or a Ukrainian can adopt neo-Nazi views. In the case of the Russians, it makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:01:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Oof! That hurts them!
We let them gather and “covered” them with packages of GRADS. The result is already known, even in Z-media). We thank the local population for the important timely information!” 
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:01:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: You got to remember that most countries do not have air superiority measures quite like the US … thus we get this … But they CAN keep YOU from holding air superiority? Apparently you dont need an air force to keep the other guys from gaining air dominance. And you end up like Ukraine...no one can fly unmolested. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:03:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Another gem from the UK hosted air warfare conference: Maj Purbrick pointed out that some Army units are already operating relatively sophisticated and expensive UAS systems. “The Queen’s Dragoon Guards are fresh back from Mali,” he explained. “They took around 30 UAVs with them and we came back to two! They broke, they got lost, they deteriorated with the conditions and couldn’t be fixed - there aren’t many trees in Mali but they found them! So we [the Army] have expensive, unique, long contract RPAS craft that lack options and lack adaptability whereas our potential adversaries have cheap, quick, easy to repair or disposable and most often lethal COTS drones. If they're not lethal by direct effects, they’re lethal by the effect that they can bring upon us.” It is very easy for defense bureaucrats to write RFQs and RFPs that include some obscure “capability” that is not essential but serves to weed out COTS based solutions. And as the UK commander implied, can we instead of developing 100% proprietary solutions use 90% COTS and add just the components/programming needed to ensure security? I think Ukraine is doing this: by volumes of low cost open market drones and then replace the control module. Drones are the perfect idiot savant. If you don't program them to climb to a certain altitude before changing directions, returning to launch point, etc. they will fly directly into trees, buildings, etc. By the same token, lots of COTS drones don't do well in certain environments. I watched one splash into the bay here. Turned out, a wire had gotten pinched and corroded enough during the flight to trip the no-signal reaction from the motor controller. Sand is also bad for electric motors that have open heads for air circulation. If a COTS drone will do the mission, then the only thing that's really needed is to make sure it has secure links on .mil frequencies. Everything else is featherbedding. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:06:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YesChef: Can someone please explain to me the Russian fixation with the SS/Nazis? Was it the death-cult mentality of total subjugation to the Fatherland, or just that they were so “hardcore” and the Russians think Einsatzgruppen were peak military? They’re white supremacists in a country that is basically just white, and whose main opponent for 50 years was also basically white? None of it makes sense, and I imagine that will be the answer, but I’d like to know. Just typical worship of "bad asses" so they can feel strong and scary. And to the Russians, the Nazi's weren't about killing Jews or the holocaust. Russians give zero shits about that. They just saw them as hard-core efficient and discipled killers that the wanna-be killers could respect. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:13:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak: Yeah, about 3900 pages ago, and several times after. :) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak: Yeah, about 3900 pages ago, and several times after. :) Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Yeah, it's been floating around for a while. It's one of many reasons why their "denazification" narrative regarding Ukraine is so hilarious. We'll just conveniently ignore Wagner and other far right formations that have been fighting for Russia in the Donbas since 2014, such as Varyag, Rusych, Imperial Legion, Russian Orthodox Army, Vostok, Sparta, Viking, etc. We'll also ignore the fact that Girkin, Gubarev, etc. have ties to far right groups in Russia. Fellas, you missed it. Chechens criticized Prigozhin and said “if you want we can take this outside”. Instead of Prigozhin defending himself, Baron von Skeletor emerged from hiding and said “watch your fucking tone, we like to take things outside, and we’ve done it in Chechnya”. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:13:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: kbi]
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A pack of Ukraine mi24s low flying
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:13:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxiNwe7WAAUsBLL?format=jpg&name=large
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:13:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Yep. Then import thousands of Ukrainians to “reclaim ancestral lands”, then have a referendum to join with Ukraine or stay in Russia. Oh, and welcome UA tanks to ensure free and fair voting. You know, like all Peoples Republics do.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By sq40: Occupied Belgorod has a nice ring to it. Yep. Then import thousands of Ukrainians to “reclaim ancestral lands”, then have a referendum to join with Ukraine or stay in Russia. Oh, and welcome UA tanks to ensure free and fair voting. You know, like all Peoples Republics do. 
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:29:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Was miniscule joke compared to 2016-2023. You stated no corruption. Just pointing out we have/had it as well |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:40:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: From the earlier Pantsir video, this one includes the video of the operator firing on the drone before it hits the vehicle.
That has to be a unique pair of videos. You can really hear the operator’s rising stress over several seconds. On first watch I thought it was two kamikaze hits, but watching it again I think the first whoosh was a missile launch, then gunfire, then a hit. Of course it also means there may be video from the kamikaze showing a missing launch and cannon fire both missing. That would be epic. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 9:48:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Is "air superiority" really achievable in a war like this? And with countless MANPADS around, can either side provide good support at the front line? Wouldn't the aircraft have to be used as mostly missile trucks to try to hit stuff further back, like artillery and command and control targets? The types of things that are in semi-fixed positions. I'm not saying that using their air assets like that is useless, but I don't think it will diminish the slug fest at the front all that much, especially in the beginning. Once Ukraine busts through, Russia is going to have to do a mad dash of men and machines to that area. That will mean a whole lot of moving targets that would be ripe for the picking for Ukrainian aircraft doing bomb runs with appropriate ordinance. But how to you attack them without getting shot down? Missile carrying planes are nice for a sneak hit or two on Russian ships or important targets waaaay back from the front, but I don't see how they can directly help the grunts doing the fighting and dying, as much as I hate to say it. I hope I am completely wrong on this and Ukraine has enough tricks up their sleeves that they can dominate the air and really knock the ever living crap out of the Orcs once they bust through. It would be achievable for us but no one else. Combination of operational stealth and SEAD capability would ultimately grind down the Russian GBAD. But it would take a while and the expenditure of a lot of ordnance. IMO. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 10:19:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Just typical worship of "bad asses" so they can feel strong and scary. And to the Russians, the Nazi's weren't about killing Jews or the holocaust. Russians give zero shits about that. They just saw them as hard-core efficient and discipled killers that the wanna-be killers could respect. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By YesChef: Can someone please explain to me the Russian fixation with the SS/Nazis? Was it the death-cult mentality of total subjugation to the Fatherland, or just that they were so "hardcore" and the Russians think Einsatzgruppen were peak military? They're white supremacists in a country that is basically just white, and whose main opponent for 50 years was also basically white? None of it makes sense, and I imagine that will be the answer, but I'd like to know. Just typical worship of "bad asses" so they can feel strong and scary. And to the Russians, the Nazi's weren't about killing Jews or the holocaust. Russians give zero shits about that. They just saw them as hard-core efficient and discipled killers that the wanna-be killers could respect. To be fair, most SS units on the Eastern Front were involved in actual heavy fighting and not managing death camps. There are examples of SS commanders - like Michal Wittmann - who simply fought for their country and became well known after the war for their fighting skills. They just see the SS as people who were strong and proud. I think the roots of Russian neo-nazis are more of a form of territorial or prison gangs, not strictly skin color. They believe in their own superiority and try to "protect" it from outsiders. Russia is huge and has many ethnicities, even mongoloid people. Lots of neo-nazis also support local soccer teams (i.e. ultras) and fight each other even if their teams are located in the same city. However, they will unite when their national team is playing against a foreign team and try to beat their supporters on the streets. You can always find people to hate if that is what you are looking for. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 10:23:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Drones are the perfect idiot savant. If you don't program them to climb to a certain altitude before changing directions, returning to launch point, etc. they will fly directly into trees, buildings, etc. By the same token, lots of COTS drones don't do well in certain environments. I watched one splash into the bay here. Turned out, a wire had gotten pinched and corroded enough during the flight to trip the no-signal reaction from the motor controller. Sand is also bad for electric motors that have open heads for air circulation. If a COTS drone will do the mission, then the only thing that's really needed is to make sure it has secure links on .mil frequencies. Everything else is featherbedding. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Another gem from the UK hosted air warfare conference: Maj Purbrick pointed out that some Army units are already operating relatively sophisticated and expensive UAS systems. “The Queen’s Dragoon Guards are fresh back from Mali,” he explained. “They took around 30 UAVs with them and we came back to two! They broke, they got lost, they deteriorated with the conditions and couldn’t be fixed - there aren’t many trees in Mali but they found them! So we [the Army] have expensive, unique, long contract RPAS craft that lack options and lack adaptability whereas our potential adversaries have cheap, quick, easy to repair or disposable and most often lethal COTS drones. If they're not lethal by direct effects, they’re lethal by the effect that they can bring upon us.” It is very easy for defense bureaucrats to write RFQs and RFPs that include some obscure “capability” that is not essential but serves to weed out COTS based solutions. And as the UK commander implied, can we instead of developing 100% proprietary solutions use 90% COTS and add just the components/programming needed to ensure security? I think Ukraine is doing this: by volumes of low cost open market drones and then replace the control module. Drones are the perfect idiot savant. If you don't program them to climb to a certain altitude before changing directions, returning to launch point, etc. they will fly directly into trees, buildings, etc. By the same token, lots of COTS drones don't do well in certain environments. I watched one splash into the bay here. Turned out, a wire had gotten pinched and corroded enough during the flight to trip the no-signal reaction from the motor controller. Sand is also bad for electric motors that have open heads for air circulation. If a COTS drone will do the mission, then the only thing that's really needed is to make sure it has secure links on .mil frequencies. Everything else is featherbedding. There was a report not to long ago stating that Ukraine goes through 10000 drones a month! Mainly due to russian jamming. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/05/22/ukraine-drones-losses-are-10000-per-month/?sh=3210e957384a |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 10:24:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YesChef: Can someone please explain to me the Russian fixation with the SS/Nazis? Was it the death-cult mentality of total subjugation to the Fatherland, or just that they were so “hardcore” and the Russians think Einsatzgruppen were peak military? They’re white supremacists in a country that is basically just white, and whose main opponent for 50 years was also basically white? None of it makes sense, and I imagine that will be the answer, but I’d like to know. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YesChef: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Was this posted yet? Actual founder of Wagner has SS collar tattoos and signs letters with Lightning bolt SS. Names his PMC after Hitler’s favorite composer? Do you Nazi the hypocrisy bro?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1186-2837057.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1187-2837058.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1188-2837060.jpg Can someone please explain to me the Russian fixation with the SS/Nazis? Was it the death-cult mentality of total subjugation to the Fatherland, or just that they were so “hardcore” and the Russians think Einsatzgruppen were peak military? They’re white supremacists in a country that is basically just white, and whose main opponent for 50 years was also basically white? None of it makes sense, and I imagine that will be the answer, but I’d like to know. Broadly speaking Russia claims to hate and oppose Nazism as a part of their Great Patriotic War mythos. However, in the last 30+years, but particularly in the last 20 years under Putin, Russia has politically gravitated toward fascism or arguably even actual Nazism. Watch this video, which identifies Putin’s primary political influences. Two of the three are overt fascists, one (Schmidt) is an actual Nazi. Yes, it’s long, but I promise it’s worth your time.  The Ideology of Putin's Russia Fascism appeals to Putin because it demands total control of the state by a one all-powerful ruler, the absence of truth, and the ethno-nationalist view of politics. Going back even before Putin you could argue that fascism was taking hold in Russia. By the 1960s Russia ceased to really believe in Communism as a system, which is when worship of the past and the Great Patriotic War mythos started. Communism wasn’t working as an economic system, and it at least aspired to equality and egalitarianism - things that were generally not known in Russian history. Fascism is far more in line with Russia’s authoritarian history. Another relevant video is Tim Snyder’s lecture on genocidal intent in Ukraine. Snyder points out that Putin’s stated rationale for the invasion of Ukraine mirrors Hitler’s in Mein Kampf. That is, that “Ukrainians” (which Russian discourse variously identifies as Jews, Poles, Europeans, etc) are aliens on the land, who are wrongfully ruling over the majority of the people who are actually Russian. The goal is to exterminate that alien presence so that things can be as they should be again. In a later video Snyder expands a bit on this by observing that, at the beginning, Putin identifies those “Ukrainians” who resist as just a thin sliver of society who need to be exterminated. However, as the war has progressed and the “thin sliver” has greatly expanded, so too the need to exterminate more people has expanded. As a side note, if you’ve heard Russians talking about how Ukraine is run by “satansists,” they actually mean the Jews.  ??Timothy Snyder: 6 steps to prove Russian genocide in Ukraine. Putin and Hitler act similarly It’s a good question and more people need to understand how dire the situation is. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 10:27:19 PM EST
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This morning:
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Posted: 6/1/2023 10:27:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Fellas, you missed it. Chechens criticized Prigozhin and said “if you want we can take this outside”. Instead of Prigozhin defending himself, Baron von Skeletor emerged from hiding and said “watch your fucking tone, we like to take things outside, and we’ve done it in Chechnya”. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By Croak: Yeah, about 3900 pages ago, and several times after. :) Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Yeah, it's been floating around for a while. It's one of many reasons why their "denazification" narrative regarding Ukraine is so hilarious. We'll just conveniently ignore Wagner and other far right formations that have been fighting for Russia in the Donbas since 2014, such as Varyag, Rusych, Imperial Legion, Russian Orthodox Army, Vostok, Sparta, Viking, etc. We'll also ignore the fact that Girkin, Gubarev, etc. have ties to far right groups in Russia. Fellas, you missed it. Chechens criticized Prigozhin and said “if you want we can take this outside”. Instead of Prigozhin defending himself, Baron von Skeletor emerged from hiding and said “watch your fucking tone, we like to take things outside, and we’ve done it in Chechnya”. Dude it’s a Von Strucker sighting! You nailed it! Although I think it’s a pretty fucking dumb move to troll the Kadyrovites over the Chechen wars. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 10:33:54 PM EST
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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine ordered 300 additional medium-range Vector reconnaissance UAVs from the German company Quantum-Systems GmbH.
Manufacturers already received orders from Ukraine in January 2023 and last August for 105 and 33 unmanned aerial vehicles, respectively. "Vector drones were widely used and tested on the Ukrainian battlefield, where they confirmed their effectiveness for military reconnaissance and surveillance operations," the company said. 
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Posted: 6/1/2023 10:40:35 PM EST
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Announcement here, at long last I finished the rifles and will be test-firing this weekend! Will have some pics soon, and a couple of surprises.
It was a PITA because Delton over-drilled their barrel pins and the FSBs didn’t snug up when I reassembled them. I had to buy a hand reamer and a bunch of #0 oversize pins and re-ream all the fucking FSB pin holes.  Hopefully all will be a go to ship next week. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 10:56:08 PM EST
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Posted: 6/1/2023 11:26:29 PM EST
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Whatever happened to all the Baykar drones Ukraine was using?
Have not seen them mentioned for awhile |
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