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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:42:39 PM EDT
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Missile launches confirmed. Gonna be a rough night.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:46:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Scratch a Russian Major General He is the very model... |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:48:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fyc-I35WcAAHxCA?format=jpg&name=900x900 Big news!! Wow that will hurt |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:51:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: It is hard for me to pin down what might be going on. The Prigozhin statements of late have gone way past what I thought would be acceptable to Putin. I'm not surprised that they might hate each other, but to feud so publicly at this time makes me suspicious. Are they really that stupid? Also, if Putin doesn't move to get rid of one of them, is it because he doesn't dare? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By Boregonian: Seems like at least a non zero chance that this is faux feud designed to give an idea that there is dissent between Russian factions. Not saying this is the case, it just seems surprising their feuding is so open. It is hard for me to pin down what might be going on. The Prigozhin statements of late have gone way past what I thought would be acceptable to Putin. I'm not surprised that they might hate each other, but to feud so publicly at this time makes me suspicious. Are they really that stupid? Also, if Putin doesn't move to get rid of one of them, is it because he doesn't dare? This whole mess will end up in a shooting war between Wagner and Russian MoD. Which very well lead to a civil war. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:51:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Big news!! Wow that will hurt Oh man... Storm Shadow? Assuming it was a TOC outside of HIMARS range. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Banned for lying about 9/11 and claiming he was there Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By bikedamon: How about Oswald? Banned for lying about 9/11 and claiming he was there Probably back under another name, seems like the kind of guy who can't let go |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:53:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: How about Oswald? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By treelow: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdHWwAETzaD?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdJXsAAadCp?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdMXoAMXEKP?format=jpg&name=large
So…no more GD?  Has anyone seen Sketti? How about Oswald? Banned months ago for pretending to be a 9/11 first responder, IIRC. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:55:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Moscowdishu it is. Warlord vs warlord. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1407-2849121.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Prime: I don't know what's going on here. I just started seeing this account on Twitter, but he's been fairly reliable.
Moscowdishu it is. Warlord vs warlord. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1407-2849121.jpg My favorite fight to the death scene, and absolutely how Putin should resolve the Soygu vs Pirogi situation:  Vic has gang leaders fight to the death |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:56:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: This whole mess will end up in a shooting war between Wagner and Russian MoD. Which very well lead to a civil war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By Boregonian: Seems like at least a non zero chance that this is faux feud designed to give an idea that there is dissent between Russian factions. Not saying this is the case, it just seems surprising their feuding is so open. It is hard for me to pin down what might be going on. The Prigozhin statements of late have gone way past what I thought would be acceptable to Putin. I'm not surprised that they might hate each other, but to feud so publicly at this time makes me suspicious. Are they really that stupid? Also, if Putin doesn't move to get rid of one of them, is it because he doesn't dare? This whole mess will end up in a shooting war between Wagner and Russian MoD. Which very well lead to a civil war. It could be Prigozhin thinks he's publicly serving up Shoigu to putin on a silver platter to be the scapegoat/fallguy for the entire Ukrainian mess. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:02:06 PM EDT
[#10]
Who has the meme picture of Russia knifing itself while USA and EU look on, horrified?
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:04:44 PM EDT
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Does the Russian MoD/government have enough quality troops left to take on Wagner, aka: force Wagner to do what they want? Does Wagner have enough quality troops to take on the Russian MoD and tell them what to do with their pens to sign the new contracts with? What would happen if Wagner just up and decided to head to Moscow and have a discussion? Could the Russian Chief of Staff survive heading to the front to have a discussion with Wagner and other Mercenary heads?
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:04:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fycn4ESWYBMHqjC?format=jpg&name=900x900 |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:05:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Oh man... Storm Shadow? Assuming it was a TOC outside of HIMARS range. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Big news!! Wow that will hurt Oh man... Storm Shadow? Assuming it was a TOC outside of HIMARS range. Possibly. Most likely I assume. But man losing a major General and chief of staff is a huuuuge loss for sure. They will feel that one. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:07:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_H: Stupid question, and maybe it's already been answered somewhere back in the thread, but why do the bombers fly the length of Russia to launch from the Caspian? Couldn't they launch from anywhere over southern Russia? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_H: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fycn4ESWYBMHqjC?format=jpg&name=900x900 They had more than a few of their own cruise missiles fail and land in Russian territory. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:09:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dp226: Does the Russian MoD/government have enough quality troops left to take on Wagner, aka: force Wagner to do what they want? Does Wagner have enough quality troops to take on the Russian MoD and tell them what to do with their pens to sign the new contracts with? What would happen if Wagner just up and decided to head to Moscow and have a discussion? Could the Russian Chief of Staff survive heading to the front to have a discussion with Wagner and other Mercenary heads? I believe we will find out about some or all of those questions soon. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:11:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Banned months ago for pretending to be a 9/11 first responder, IIRC. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By treelow: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdHWwAETzaD?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdJXsAAadCp?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdMXoAMXEKP?format=jpg&name=large
So…no more GD? Has anyone seen Sketti? How about Oswald? Banned months ago for pretending to be a 9/11 first responder, IIRC. Holy shit, I missed that one. Such an on-the-nose Russian plant it could have only been more 4chan bullshit. Good riddance. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:12:57 PM EDT
[#17]
Maybe Putin doesn't know what's going on
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:15:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: In a sense, it might have been a few factors. This is just my opinion. 1. These units had to come out in force using the Western gear to tip off the Russians that a main offensive was happening in that area. Can you imagine the Russian communications of multiple Leopards and Bradley's with mine clearing equipment showing up in a specific sector? It would have been the lure to bait Russian units into scrambling toward that area. 2. The Russians very recently fielded a vehicle mounted mine throwing system, something akin to our old 80's FASCAM mine system, where they could throw a quick and dense minefield quickly about 10km from the vehicle launcher. The mines also copy Western designs and they can be timed to detonate themselves to quickly clear the field after a set time.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a17FKUSfzwI suspect one of these rather rare mine systems was used. They don't have many of them in the field yet, so that is the good news. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Zam18th: We don't know how many were recovered for repair but it does sting a little. I'm sure they're learning. I honestly didn't think they'd use much Western armor for breaching minefields (other than the equipped mine clearing armor). I figured use the older stuff to support the mine clearing ops and use stuff like Brads for exploiting breakthroughs. Can't really take advantage of the optics and mobility crawling through an arty ravaged minefield. Idk I read a Forbes article that the Stryker equipped brigades are going to be used for the breakthroughs, and those brigades also have the challenger 2 tanks a d polish PT-91. But those 3 leading g brigades doing the fight right now have lost a huge part of there mine clearing vehicles. The good thing is that it appears most of the crews survived. It does feel like the mines were more trouble than expected. I wonder if it was bad luck, bad intel, Russian trickery, etc. In a sense, it might have been a few factors. This is just my opinion. 1. These units had to come out in force using the Western gear to tip off the Russians that a main offensive was happening in that area. Can you imagine the Russian communications of multiple Leopards and Bradley's with mine clearing equipment showing up in a specific sector? It would have been the lure to bait Russian units into scrambling toward that area. 2. The Russians very recently fielded a vehicle mounted mine throwing system, something akin to our old 80's FASCAM mine system, where they could throw a quick and dense minefield quickly about 10km from the vehicle launcher. The mines also copy Western designs and they can be timed to detonate themselves to quickly clear the field after a set time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a17FKUSfzwI suspect one of these rather rare mine systems was used. They don't have many of them in the field yet, so that is the good news. Interesting system. That would definitely be a pain in the ass to deal with. I also saw reports that that area had higher quality troops and spetsnaz, so they probably do have the higher end equipment to work with. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:20:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgkeller: Maybe Putin doesn't know what's going on https://www.thedailybeast.com/vladimir-putin-admits-to-significant-losses-inferior-weapons-in-war-on-ukraine |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:20:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyYU-ROX0AQtRah?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fyb3lZoXsAIIFA2?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fyb3m67XsAQKgfo?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fyb3pY-WwAAkozX?format=jpg&name=large 
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:20:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:21:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: It could be Prigozhin thinks he's publicly serving up Shoigu to putin on a silver platter to be the scapegoat/fallguy for the entire Ukrainian mess. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By Boregonian: Seems like at least a non zero chance that this is faux feud designed to give an idea that there is dissent between Russian factions. Not saying this is the case, it just seems surprising their feuding is so open. It is hard for me to pin down what might be going on. The Prigozhin statements of late have gone way past what I thought would be acceptable to Putin. I'm not surprised that they might hate each other, but to feud so publicly at this time makes me suspicious. Are they really that stupid? Also, if Putin doesn't move to get rid of one of them, is it because he doesn't dare? This whole mess will end up in a shooting war between Wagner and Russian MoD. Which very well lead to a civil war. It could be Prigozhin thinks he's publicly serving up Shoigu to putin on a silver platter to be the scapegoat/fallguy for the entire Ukrainian mess. Could be..sure has been alot of finger pointing lately. I belive Shoigu has Putins blessing still though otherwise he wouldn't have issued the order for all mercenaries to sign a contract. That would have to have come from Putin himself. Knowing full well Wagner would not comply. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:24:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1668347516142886913?t=F5ntk-9L5vL3TBnZCk6cRw&s=19
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:28:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Big news!! Wow that will hurt It's not that they killed a major general, its that if it is a Chief of Staff, they probably took out a dozen field grades, a whole lot of comms gear and antennas, and the rest of the HQ. The time to start plinking HQs is when the HQs start getting busy, which is after the attackers are breaking free of the obstacle belt and its time to think about pushing reinforcements and counterattack forces. If strikes on HQs increase I would anticipate the breakout and Ukrainian 2nd wave reinforcements are closing with the front. If they were still stuck in the 1st mine belts, I wouldn't target HQs; target enemy field artillery. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdHWwAETzaD?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdJXsAAadCp?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdMXoAMXEKP?format=jpg&name=large
Just imagine the fun you could have with these sending SMS fake conscription orders to numbers all over the Moscow region. I hope they don't let all that go to waste! |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:30:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Holy shit, I missed that one. Such an on-the-nose Russian plant it could have only been more 4chan bullshit. Good riddance. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By treelow: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdHWwAETzaD?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdJXsAAadCp?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdMXoAMXEKP?format=jpg&name=large
So no more GD? Has anyone seen Sketti? How about Oswald? Banned months ago for pretending to be a 9/11 first responder, IIRC. Holy shit, I missed that one. Such an on-the-nose Russian plant it could have only been more 4chan bullshit. Good riddance. Not first responder. He claimed to be a guy in one of the towers hanging out the window in a picture, a guy that died that day by jumping. Some member provided the name of who he claimed to be. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:30:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Too bad someone couldnt project the faces of the 500+ innocent children murdered by the Russians onto the side of the building. "celebrate Russian achievements..." lol |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:31:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fybmip0XwAQpnyq?format=jpg&name=900x900 |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:33:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ITCHY-FINGER]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I believe we will find out about some or all of those questions soon. Wagner and Kadyrov's clowns seem to be the "first responders" for the Russians. I think Wagner will eat alive whoever they would send against them. And it may end up like the scene from Braveheart when the Irish tuned sides. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:36:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: It's not that they killed a major general, its that if it is a Chief of Staff, they probably took out a dozen field grades, a whole lot of comms gear and antennas, and the rest of the HQ. The time to start plinking HQs is when the HQs start getting busy, which is after the attackers are breaking free of the obstacle belt and its time to think about pushing reinforcements and counterattack forces. If strikes on HQs increase I would anticipate the breakout and Ukrainian 2nd wave reinforcements are closing with the front. If they were still stuck in the 1st mine belts, I wouldn't target HQs; target enemy field artillery. The other thing is with Russia's highly centralized and rigid command structure, losing an HQ really fucks with them and their ability to be responsive because they simply don't do delegated responsibility and personal initiative. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:38:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
It would be hilarious if someone hijacked one of the shithead drones and flew it into that tower while it was lit up in those colors |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:38:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: The other thing is with Russia's highly centralized and rigid command structure, losing an HQ really fucks with them and their ability to be responsive because they simply don't do delegated responsibility and personal initiative. Hopefully the guy who planned the original special military operation is still alive and in-charge. The UA needs him alive and making plans. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Too bad someone couldnt project the faces of the 500+ innocent children murdered by the Russians onto the side of the building. "celebrate Russian achievements..." lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Too bad someone couldnt project the faces of the 500+ innocent children murdered by the Russians onto the side of the building. "celebrate Russian achievements..." lol Other notable achievements include: . Starving millions of Ukrainians to death. . Invading Poland along with Germany and deporting upwards of a million Poles, murdering tens of thousands of Polish officers and then blaming it on the Germans, etc. . The destruction of Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. . Raping everything that moved during the "liberation" of Eastern Europe. . Deporting the entire Chechen/Ingush population during WW2. . Being so bad that many Eastern Europeans viewed the fucking Nazis as being a preferable alternative. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:47:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:47:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: He is the very model... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By kncook: Scratch a Russian Major General He is the very model... He went from animal to vegetable to mineral. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:47:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:51:14 PM EDT
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daily sitrep up for your reading pleasure. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:53:00 PM EDT
[#38]
Russian command staff collecting Red Xs again?
Hopefully they bag 'em a Sergeant Major Colonel General.  |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:58:13 PM EDT
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On point sir hahaha!!
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:00:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:03:13 PM EDT
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Everyone focuses on the conflicts between Shoigu/MOD and Prigozhin/Wagner but who really controls each faction?
Neither can exist in a vacuum. The MOD is empowered by the Kremlin, but who controls Wagner? I’m assuming they get some support from in the form of weapons and munitions from the MOD. But who actually pays the bills? The gas companies (Gazprom, etc.) that have foreign investments that Wagner protects? The oligarchs that have diamond mines that Wagner secures? Just wondering if Wagner is a hedge against a failure of the “SMO” by the oligarchs. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:03:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Big news!! Wow that will hurt If he was competent it will hurt. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:15:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/0c96c781a5e6260d0827848aec47d205-381.gif Google translated, check out the callsign. A Twitter user noted “coal” and “tar” are common Russian slurs for black people. 
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:19:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Here's a news story about the WW2 skulls found in the receding waters https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/12/skulls-left-scattered-after-ukraine-dam-breach-may-be-from-second-world-war “May be?” Lol the dude is wearing a German helmet. Maybe they’re human too? |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:24:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdHWwAETzaD?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdJXsAAadCp?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdMXoAMXEKP?format=jpg&name=large
Uh, oh. GD just lost some posters. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:26:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dp226: Does the Russian MoD/government have enough quality troops left to take on Wagner, aka: force Wagner to do what they want? Does Wagner have enough quality troops to take on the Russian MoD and tell them what to do with their pens to sign the new contracts with? What would happen if Wagner just up and decided to head to Moscow and have a discussion? Could the Russian Chief of Staff survive heading to the front to have a discussion with Wagner and other Mercenary heads? Wagner depends on MoD for artillery shells, aircraft, and such. So without that support I’m guessing they would fold quickly. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:28:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_H: Stupid question, and maybe it's already been answered somewhere back in the thread, but why do the bombers fly the length of Russia to launch from the Caspian? Couldn't they launch from anywhere over southern Russia? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_H: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fycn4ESWYBMHqjC?format=jpg&name=900x900 I was wondering the same thing. Maybe after one of their bombs release prematurely over a Russian town they decided to release over water? |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:29:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyaqySrWYAMGwPq?format=jpg&name=large |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:30:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_H: Stupid question, and maybe it's already been answered somewhere back in the thread, but why do the bombers fly the length of Russia to launch from the Caspian? Couldn't they launch from anywhere over southern Russia? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_H: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fycn4ESWYBMHqjC?format=jpg&name=900x900 Just wanted to answer your question better. This article explains a few reasons the Russian bombers launch from this area. https://texty.org.ua/fragments/107231/why-russian-missiles-strike-from-caspian-sea/ |
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