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Posted: 6/14/2023 3:17:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dracster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1669034142061797411 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs9NXoAouxMQ?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtGxXgAAZn5_?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtQ2XoBsReJg?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs0hXoA8Z1IG?format=jpg&name=large It arrived like this? lol. I need a tetanus shot just for looking at these. These are tank rounds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By elcope: https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1669034142061797411 Shells delivered to Ruasian troops in Luhansk.... I don't want to stand near the artillery using those https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs9NXoAouxMQ?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtGxXgAAZn5_?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtQ2XoBsReJg?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs0hXoA8Z1IG?format=jpg&name=large It arrived like this? lol. I need a tetanus shot just for looking at these. These are tank rounds. To be fair, that's 115mm. It's probably been in a non-climate-controlled warehouse, if it's lucky, since 1965. It also shoots in the foot the whole "the T-62 is only for infantry support" spiel. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 3:22:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: So we tell Hungary to get serious about NATO and now that they try to increase their defense spending we punish them for it? Seems dumb to me as it undermines NATO. We sell weapons to every Middle Eastern dictator but refuse to sell them to a NATO member? It will drive Hungary further away from the US as they question whether Article 5 even applies to them. It may just be that they are not aligned with us, and should take their chances with being invaded by Russia (again) on their own. Lot of BS coming from them last little while. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 3:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: So we tell Hungary to get serious about NATO and now that they try to increase their defense spending we punish them for it? Seems dumb to me as it undermines NATO. We sell weapons to every Middle Eastern dictator but refuse to sell them to a NATO member? It will drive Hungary further away from the US as they question whether Article 5 even applies to them. Maybe talk is cheap? Sounds like a barganing ultimatum. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 3:44:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It is an ESM or electronic support measure system. Any Russian units foolish enough to turn on their radar can be located. https://www.era.aero/img/TDOA-principle-2021-EN.png If anyone has trouble sleeping, I recommend reading the .pdf for this system.  https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Passive-radar%3A-Here-comes-the-new-generation-Bicik/45658eaaea63bedf782d690f13cc224719b0dd55 More entertaining is the video that shows how it works here. https://www.era.aero/en/military-security/vera-ng Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Very interesting air defense contribution from Netherlands! If it doesn't emit EM energy, is it just sensing aircraft and drone radar? Thermal? Or ??? 400 km is a long way it seems for passive sensing?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1448-2851326.jpg the Netherlands will now purchase 4 #Czech-made VERA-NG Passive Surveillance ESM Trackers for Ukraine worth 150 million. VERA-NG is designed to locate, identify and track up to 500 air, land and maritime targets simultaneously at ranges of up to 400km. It can also detect stealth aircraft and does not emit electromagnetic energy, so it cannot become a target for anti-radar missiles. VERA-NG is in the arsenal of several countries around the world, including the #Czech Army (532nd Electronic Warfare Battalion), where it is mounted on a Tatra 815-7 chassis. It is an ESM or electronic support measure system. Any Russian units foolish enough to turn on their radar can be located. https://www.era.aero/img/TDOA-principle-2021-EN.png If anyone has trouble sleeping, I recommend reading the .pdf for this system. https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Passive-radar%3A-Here-comes-the-new-generation-Bicik/45658eaaea63bedf782d690f13cc224719b0dd55 A novel method for time-frequency signal analysis and chirp rate estimation dedicated for electromagnetic spectrum sensing, electronic warfare, electronic intelligence and/or passive bistatic radar purposes in which frequency modulated signals occur is presented, based on a Gaussian window with two degrees of freedom. More entertaining is the video that shows how it works here. https://www.era.aero/en/military-security/vera-ng So kind of the reverse of the old Loran navigation tower system. Time of arrival and direction of a signal is collected by multiple sensors and the position and velocity of the target is calculated. Very cool! |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 3:46:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Not quite as big boom as I was expecting |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 3:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
lol. I see how spoiled we are. Each round we ship comes in the special shipping container, as pictured for example. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FK58rQEVQAAiS36.png http://www.concocontainers.com/products_im.htm Yeah, sure. They look more like they were stored in a flooded bunker for 40 years. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 3:52:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: To be fair, that's 115mm. It's probably been in a non-climate-controlled warehouse, if it's lucky, since 1965. It also shoots in the foot the whole "the T-62 is only for infantry support" spiel. But why even bother to ship? Russians.  |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 3:53:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
lol. I see how spoiled we are. Each round we ship comes in the special shipping container, as pictured for example. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FK58rQEVQAAiS36.png http://www.concocontainers.com/products_im.htm Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Waldo: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1669034142061797411 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs9NXoAouxMQ?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtGxXgAAZn5_?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtQ2XoBsReJg?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs0hXoA8Z1IG?format=jpg&name=large It arrived like this? lol. I need a tetanus shot just for looking at these. These are tank rounds. They must have raided the burn pit to get those. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/laugh-29.gif
lol. I see how spoiled we are. Each round we ship comes in the special shipping container, as pictured for example. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FK58rQEVQAAiS36.png http://www.concocontainers.com/products_im.htm All containers listed below are pretreated with a Type I, Zinc Phosphate coating, in accordance with TT-C-490, and a top coat paint compliant to MIL-E-52891. Containers are produced to the following specifications: DTL 12961080A, QAP 12990775, AD 13001473. The penetrator rod tips look like they are bent or sagged. That’s pretty good to bend a tungsten rod like that. Maybe there’s a plastic sleeve on them so no one puts their eye out, but there a some that still look bent |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 3:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: So we tell Hungary to get serious about NATO and now that they try to increase their defense spending we punish them for it? Seems dumb to me as it undermines NATO. We sell weapons to every Middle Eastern dictator but refuse to sell them to a NATO member? It will drive Hungary further away from the US as they question whether Article 5 even applies to them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
So we tell Hungary to get serious about NATO and now that they try to increase their defense spending we punish them for it? Seems dumb to me as it undermines NATO. We sell weapons to every Middle Eastern dictator but refuse to sell them to a NATO member? It will drive Hungary further away from the US as they question whether Article 5 even applies to them. Maybe Hungary can stop blocking every NATO move. They conflate EU issues with NATO, repeatedly try to obstruct aid to Ukraine because Putin has his hand up Orban’s ass. NATO made it simple. Quit blocking Sweden and you get your toys. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 3:56:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: But why even bother to ship? Russians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Dracster: To be fair, that's 115mm. It's probably been in a non-climate-controlled warehouse, if it's lucky, since 1965. It also shoots in the foot the whole "the T-62 is only for infantry support" spiel. But why even bother to ship? Russians. Because the commander of Ordinance Bunker 24601 has been embezzling most of his facility's funds forever, and by shipping them be can check the box that he sent them. Refusing to ship them because they are degraded garbage would make him look bad, where now he can claim they were fine when they left and blame someone else. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:01:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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More history to counter the lies. There have been several other videos in this series.
I like this comparison from another source 
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:01:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:03:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Because the commander of Ordinance Bunker 24601 has been embezzling most of his facility's funds forever, and by shipping them be can check the box that he sent them. Refusing to ship them because they are degraded garbage would make him look bad, where now he can claim they were fine when they left and blame someone else. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Dracster: To be fair, that's 115mm. It's probably been in a non-climate-controlled warehouse, if it's lucky, since 1965. It also shoots in the foot the whole "the T-62 is only for infantry support" spiel. But why even bother to ship? Russians. Because the commander of Ordinance Bunker 24601 has been embezzling most of his facility's funds forever, and by shipping them be can check the box that he sent them. Refusing to ship them because they are degraded garbage would make him look bad, where now he can claim they were fine when they left and blame someone else. This was a rhetorical question.  |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:06:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
If an F-22 shoots down a propeller bomber does anyone even see it? Did it even happen? I know nothink! 
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:07:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: More history to counter the lies. There have been several other videos in this series.
I like this comparison from another source https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1452-2851391.jpg It's like France invaded Italy, claiming to be the true successor of the Roman empire |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:09:15 PM EDT
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Even Russian circuses are depressing! Can’t wait to taste the free bread!
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:09:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: It's like France invaded Italy, claiming to be the true successor of the Roman empire Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By RockNwood: More history to counter the lies. There have been several other videos in this series.
I like this comparison from another source https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1452-2851391.jpg It's like France invaded Italy, claiming to be the true successor of the Roman empire Great analogy! |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:11:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Even Russian circuses are depressing! Can’t wait to taste the free bread!
Jesus Christ.
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:11:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: It may just be that they are not aligned with us, and should take their chances with being invaded by Russia (again) on their own. Lot of BS coming from them last little while. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By strykr: So we tell Hungary to get serious about NATO and now that they try to increase their defense spending we punish them for it? Seems dumb to me as it undermines NATO. We sell weapons to every Middle Eastern dictator but refuse to sell them to a NATO member? It will drive Hungary further away from the US as they question whether Article 5 even applies to them. It may just be that they are not aligned with us, and should take their chances with being invaded by Russia (again) on their own. Lot of BS coming from them last little while. Is this not a step in the right direction? What should Hungary do to better align with NATO goals? Is higher defense spending not what we would like to see? Making them feel like they are on their own will make them even more cautious and less likely to stand up against Russia. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:20:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Great analogy! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By RockNwood: More history to counter the lies. There have been several other videos in this series.
I like this comparison from another source https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1452-2851391.jpg It's like France invaded Italy, claiming to be the true successor of the Roman empire Great analogy! |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:21:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: But why even bother to ship? Russians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Dracster: To be fair, that's 115mm. It's probably been in a non-climate-controlled warehouse, if it's lucky, since 1965. It also shoots in the foot the whole "the T-62 is only for infantry support" spiel. But why even bother to ship? Russians.  |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Even Russian circuses are depressing! Can't wait to taste the free bread!
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:22:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Maybe Hungary can stop blocking every NATO move. They conflate EU issues with NATO, repeatedly try to obstruct aid to Ukraine because Putin has his hand up Orban's ass. NATO made it simple. Quit blocking Sweden and you get your toys. Aren't they following Turkey's lead on this? I am not familiar with why they are blocking Sweden. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:23:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Is this not a step in the right direction? What should Hungary do to better align with NATO goals? Is higher defense spending not what we would like to see? Making them feel like they are on their own will make them even more cautious and less likely to stand up against Russia. Shit or get off the pot. It's a time for choosing. They can pick NATO or they can pick Russia and either way we will have a clear foreign policy for them. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:25:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Replacement McDonalds are already in route. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:26:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Even Russian circuses are depressing! Can’t wait to taste the free bread!
Frank and his traveling beaver show. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:27:14 PM EDT
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Excellent article on the Holodomor. Starvation in Europes bread basket. Nothing has changed. Anyone expecting Russia to change after a defeat is sorely mistaken. Their entire history is the oppression and demeaning of life.
Lots of pictures and details. https://kyivindependent.com/holodomor-soviet-unions-man-made-famine-in-ukraine/ |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:28:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
They fly a long way, but that airfield is close to Finland... would be a shame if some saboteurs snuck in and hit those crews. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:29:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: McDs is my favorite fast food joint. It’s pure comfort food for me. I could probably eat it every day. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: Originally Posted By sq40: Don’t fuck with Ronald and Grimace. MOABs for Ukraine now!  it's fun to rip on McDonalds -- but in my experience -- McDonalds in other countries is usually not too bad. served to a decent standard. unlike a lot of ghetto McDs in the US... McDs is my favorite fast food joint. It’s pure comfort food for me. I could probably eat it every day. It's the horrendous service that keeps me away. Well that, and there's a CFA on the same block where the food is served fast, fresh and by friendly people. Plus my son works there, so I know a lot of the workers. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:29:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: [color=#ff0000]But why even bother to ship? [/color]Russians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Dracster: To be fair, that's 115mm. It's probably been in a non-climate-controlled warehouse, if it's lucky, since 1965. It also shoots in the foot the whole "the T-62 is only for infantry support" spiel. [color=#ff0000]But why even bother to ship? [/color]Russians. "Yes sir, ammo has been shipped as ordered." |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Aren't they following Turkey's lead on this? I am not familiar with why they are blocking Sweden. Turkey had some specific demands of Sweden. Something about anti-Turk gov immigrants to Sweden they consider terrorists, I think. Sweden can choose to placate them or not. There's nothing Sweden can do to placate Hungary as far as I can see. Because their blocking Sweden has nothing to do with Sweden. They're just using them as leverage against the EU. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:31:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Is this not a step in the right direction? What should Hungary do to better align with NATO goals? Is higher defense spending not what we would like to see? Making them feel like they are on their own will make them even more cautious and less likely to stand up against Russia. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By strykr: So we tell Hungary to get serious about NATO and now that they try to increase their defense spending we punish them for it? Seems dumb to me as it undermines NATO. We sell weapons to every Middle Eastern dictator but refuse to sell them to a NATO member? It will drive Hungary further away from the US as they question whether Article 5 even applies to them. It may just be that they are not aligned with us, and should take their chances with being invaded by Russia (again) on their own. Lot of BS coming from them last little while. Is this not a step in the right direction? What should Hungary do to better align with NATO goals? Is higher defense spending not what we would like to see? Making them feel like they are on their own will make them even more cautious and less likely to stand up against Russia. What good to NATO is Hungarian defense spending if they are hostile to other NATO members? Do you really think Hungary is coming to ANYONE’S aid?  The blocked Finland and Sweden entry. They repeatedly blocked aid to Ukraine. NATO is a MUTUAL defense alliance not a loner shopping mall. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:34:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Turkey had some specific demands of Sweden. Something about anti-Turk gov immigrants to Sweden they consider terrorists, I think. Sweden can choose to placate them or not. There's nothing Sweden can do to placate Hungary as far as I can see. Because their blocking Sweden has nothing to do with Sweden. They're just using them as leverage against the EU. So just another case of Hungary being stupid for no reason and this is our way of sending them a message. Gotcha. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:35:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1Andy2]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: So just another case of Hungary being stupid for no reason and this is our way of sending them a message. Gotcha. It strikes me as sending the message of "You're not the only one who has leverage. You don't want to play the leverage game. We have more of it." Don't get me wrong... I think Hungary has some legit grievances with the EU. But using its NATO membership veto as leverage on those issues is stupid and dangerous. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:35:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Aren't they following Turkey's lead on this? I am not familiar with why they are blocking Sweden. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Maybe Hungary can stop blocking every NATO move. They conflate EU issues with NATO, repeatedly try to obstruct aid to Ukraine because Putin has his hand up Orban's ass. NATO made it simple. Quit blocking Sweden and you get your toys. Aren't they following Turkey's lead on this? I am not familiar with why they are blocking Sweden. The only thing I have heard is they don’t like EU immigration requirements so they try to use NATO to get revenge on EU. That is how retarded Orban is. Plus, he is Putin’s puppet and Putin does not want NATO to expand. He got a cheap construction loan on their biggest nuke plant from Putin so he is owned. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:35:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: McDonalds strikes may actually improve Ukrainian morale. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By K0UA: Ruskies are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel when they start targeting McDonalds. You can't get much lower. McDonalds strikes may actually improve Ukrainian morale. Replace it with a chick-fil-a and they might start targeting McD's themselves.
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:44:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: The only thing I have heard is they don't like EU immigration requirements so they try to use NATO to get revenge on EU. That is how retarded Orban is. Plus, he is Putin's puppet and Putin does not want NATO to expand. He got a cheap construction loan on their biggest nuke plant from Putin so he is owned. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Maybe Hungary can stop blocking every NATO move. They conflate EU issues with NATO, repeatedly try to obstruct aid to Ukraine because Putin has his hand up Orban's ass. NATO made it simple. Quit blocking Sweden and you get your toys. Aren't they following Turkey's lead on this? I am not familiar with why they are blocking Sweden. The only thing I have heard is they don't like EU immigration requirements so they try to use NATO to get revenge on EU. That is how retarded Orban is. Plus, he is Putin's puppet and Putin does not want NATO to expand. He got a cheap construction loan on their biggest nuke plant from Putin so he is owned. I agree, it is definitely in their interest to stay on good terms with NATO. Seems like Orban has become a detriment to his country and should be voted out ASAP. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:51:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: I swear, that pic looks like it came from the 12th Century . . . . CMOS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/Rye8nsQ.jpg Russian village praises its fallen “hero”. In the background you see the Russian World he was trying to bring to Ukraine. What a fucking shithole. I swear, that pic looks like it came from the 12th Century . . . . CMOS That is how most of Russia looks like outside of bigger cities. It’s a crap hole. Conscripts come from the poorest regions … most are malnourished. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:56:33 PM EDT
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OK, USA
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Posted: 6/14/2023 4:56:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: It's like France invaded Italy, claiming to be the true successor of the Roman empire How long has Ukraine been its own country in the last 1000 years? |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:01:46 PM EDT
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18 min ago.
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:04:08 PM EDT
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 Full article here. https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3428002/donor-nations-providing-security-assistance-training-for-ukraine/ |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:07:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Very interesting air defense contribution from Netherlands! If it doesn't emit EM energy, is it just sensing aircraft and drone radar? Thermal? Or ??? 400 km is a long way it seems for passive sensing?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1448-2851326.jpg Is this maybe an HF "radar". Which has a HF (High Frequency in other words 3 to 30 Mhz) transmitter on one side of the country and this is the remote receiver that detects anomalies between the transmitter and the receiver site? Like the many HF radars we see on the HF bands nowadays, and like that old Duga 3 installation that was operational near Chernobyl back in the day? If it doesn't emit RF, that is all I can think of. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Very interesting air defense contribution from Netherlands! If it doesn't emit EM energy, is it just sensing aircraft and drone radar? Thermal? Or ??? 400 km is a long way it seems for passive sensing?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1448-2851326.jpg the Netherlands will now purchase 4 #Czech-made VERA-NG Passive Surveillance ESM Trackers for Ukraine worth 150 million. VERA-NG is designed to locate, identify and track up to 500 air, land and maritime targets simultaneously at ranges of up to 400km. It can also detect stealth aircraft and does not emit electromagnetic energy, so it cannot become a target for anti-radar missiles. VERA-NG is in the arsenal of several countries around the world, including the #Czech Army (532nd Electronic Warfare Battalion), where it is mounted on a Tatra 815-7 chassis. Is this maybe an HF "radar". Which has a HF (High Frequency in other words 3 to 30 Mhz) transmitter on one side of the country and this is the remote receiver that detects anomalies between the transmitter and the receiver site? Like the many HF radars we see on the HF bands nowadays, and like that old Duga 3 installation that was operational near Chernobyl back in the day? If it doesn't emit RF, that is all I can think of. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:08:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1669034142061797411 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs9NXoAouxMQ?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtGxXgAAZn5_?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtQ2XoBsReJg?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs0hXoA8Z1IG?format=jpg&name=large It arrived like this? lol. I need a tetanus shot just for looking at these. These are tank rounds. Could be way off but those look like 100mm 3BM25’s. T-55 ammo. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:09:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It is an ESM or electronic support measure system. Any Russian units foolish enough to turn on their radar can be located. https://www.era.aero/img/TDOA-principle-2021-EN.png If anyone has trouble sleeping, I recommend reading the .pdf for this system. https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Passive-radar%3A-Here-comes-the-new-generation-Bicik/45658eaaea63bedf782d690f13cc224719b0dd55 More entertaining is the video that shows how it works here. https://www.era.aero/en/military-security/vera-ng Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Very interesting air defense contribution from Netherlands! If it doesn't emit EM energy, is it just sensing aircraft and drone radar? Thermal? Or ??? 400 km is a long way it seems for passive sensing?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1448-2851326.jpg the Netherlands will now purchase 4 #Czech-made VERA-NG Passive Surveillance ESM Trackers for Ukraine worth 150 million. VERA-NG is designed to locate, identify and track up to 500 air, land and maritime targets simultaneously at ranges of up to 400km. It can also detect stealth aircraft and does not emit electromagnetic energy, so it cannot become a target for anti-radar missiles. VERA-NG is in the arsenal of several countries around the world, including the #Czech Army (532nd Electronic Warfare Battalion), where it is mounted on a Tatra 815-7 chassis. It is an ESM or electronic support measure system. Any Russian units foolish enough to turn on their radar can be located. https://www.era.aero/img/TDOA-principle-2021-EN.png If anyone has trouble sleeping, I recommend reading the .pdf for this system. https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Passive-radar%3A-Here-comes-the-new-generation-Bicik/45658eaaea63bedf782d690f13cc224719b0dd55 A novel method for time-frequency signal analysis and chirp rate estimation dedicated for electromagnetic spectrum sensing, electronic warfare, electronic intelligence and/or passive bistatic radar purposes in which frequency modulated signals occur is presented, based on a Gaussian window with two degrees of freedom. More entertaining is the video that shows how it works here. https://www.era.aero/en/military-security/vera-ng aha, now I understand what it does |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:11:26 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: What good to NATO is Hungarian defense spending if they are hostile to other NATO members? Do you really think Hungary is coming to ANYONE’S aid? The blocked Finland and Sweden entry. They repeatedly blocked aid to Ukraine. NATO is a MUTUAL defense alliance not a loner shopping mall. Kick hungary out of nato |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:12:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: The penetrator rod tips look like they are bent or sagged. That’s pretty good to bend a tungsten rod like that. Maybe there’s a plastic sleeve on them so no one puts their eye out, but there a some that still look bent Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Waldo: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1669034142061797411 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs9NXoAouxMQ?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtGxXgAAZn5_?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtQ2XoBsReJg?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs0hXoA8Z1IG?format=jpg&name=large It arrived like this? lol. I need a tetanus shot just for looking at these. These are tank rounds. They must have raided the burn pit to get those. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/laugh-29.gif
lol. I see how spoiled we are. Each round we ship comes in the special shipping container, as pictured for example. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FK58rQEVQAAiS36.png http://www.concocontainers.com/products_im.htm All containers listed below are pretreated with a Type I, Zinc Phosphate coating, in accordance with TT-C-490, and a top coat paint compliant to MIL-E-52891. Containers are produced to the following specifications: DTL 12961080A, QAP 12990775, AD 13001473. The penetrator rod tips look like they are bent or sagged. That’s pretty good to bend a tungsten rod like that. Maybe there’s a plastic sleeve on them so no one puts their eye out, but there a some that still look bent Soviets also used steel penetrators as far as I remember and those thing look ancient. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:17:27 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Soviets also used steel penetrators as far as I remember and those thing look ancient. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By JQ66: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Waldo: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1669034142061797411 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs9NXoAouxMQ?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtGxXgAAZn5_?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZtQ2XoBsReJg?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FymZs0hXoA8Z1IG?format=jpg&name=large It arrived like this? lol. I need a tetanus shot just for looking at these. These are tank rounds. They must have raided the burn pit to get those. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/laugh-29.gif
lol. I see how spoiled we are. Each round we ship comes in the special shipping container, as pictured for example. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FK58rQEVQAAiS36.png http://www.concocontainers.com/products_im.htm All containers listed below are pretreated with a Type I, Zinc Phosphate coating, in accordance with TT-C-490, and a top coat paint compliant to MIL-E-52891. Containers are produced to the following specifications: DTL 12961080A, QAP 12990775, AD 13001473. The penetrator rod tips look like they are bent or sagged. That's pretty good to bend a tungsten rod like that. Maybe there's a plastic sleeve on them so no one puts their eye out, but there a some that still look bent Soviets also used steel penetrators as far as I remember and those thing look ancient. I doubt they're bent. It's most likely photo angle. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:17:44 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Excellent article on the Holodomor. Starvation in Europes bread basket. Nothing has changed. Anyone expecting Russia to change after a defeat is sorely mistaken. Their entire history is the oppression and demeaning of life. Lots of pictures and details. https://kyivindependent.com/holodomor-soviet-unions-man-made-famine-in-ukraine/ This is why someone thought of making a nuclear bomb; for people like this. |
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Posted: 6/14/2023 5:19:50 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Even Russian circuses are depressing! Can’t wait to taste the free bread!
That is some low energy there. |
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