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Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:06:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts:


Hell, a Mexican soap opera is more believable and less dramatic.
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Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts:
Originally Posted By GTLandser:
This whole thing stinks to me. Here are a few things we "know":

> Putin (and the last several Russian leaders, going as far back as Brezhnev) were all products of the security services, not the military

> Prighozin was Putin's guy

> the Russian military has always been pretty weak and ineffective by design (and so a convenient punching bag)

> the phrase "stab in the back" has literally been used by some MoD (I think?) spokespeople or generals recently?

> Prighozin claims that MoD forces bombed a bunch of Wagner sites; I still haven't seen any evidence for this.

> AFAIK, all the Russian internet hardware to the outside world still works, because we are seeing pictures of stuff happening. And this goes double for Russian troops in Ukraine...who have been hilariously using Ukrainian telecom infrastructure to see these crazy developments, when they weren't revealing their own positions in selfies.

So how does this work? Prighozin (Putin's guy) goes to Ukraine and mocks the MoD (always the whipping boy anyway), throws some utterly disposable convicts at Bakhmut for little effect, touts the effectiveness of Wagner, then shortly after decides the war is bad for Russia, flips on Putin, returns to Russia to attack or co-opt the MoD...and plans to take his 25,000 dudes all the way to Moscow?

I'm not buying it.

I think what we're seeing is more like Valkyrie...except instead of Prighozin being a latter-day Stauffenberg, we're seeing somebody else (Putin?) using Wagner like the SS to smash internal opposition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iojQ6Ao5WA

I mean, we really can't lose either way, but this shit is starting to sound like a Mexican soap opera.


Hell, a Mexican soap opera is more believable and less dramatic.

A Gangster regime running a nuclear power gets taken out by a Gangster. Internal feuds are a hallmark of Mafias.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:08:17 PM EDT
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May the Ukrainians take as much advantage of the chaos that is going on in Mordor as possible!
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Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:10:06 PM EDT
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I think Prigozhin is rolling with such speed and surprise that he will take power in Moscow in a couple days.  I absolutely believe that Prigozhin has the support of some of the billionaires and parts of the military/intelligence.  I would NOT bet on him rolling out of Ukraine to shore up his power in Moscow once he takes over.  He has tens of thousands of fighters that want to fight, not sit on their hands in Russia.  I think Prigozhin could be much worse than Putin, because he's on the ground with real intelligence.  When Wagner takes control of the MoD, that could be the morale kick in the pants that the Orc army needs to rally and become more effective on the ground.

I'm rooting for both the Russian MoD and Prigozhen on this.  I really pray that Wagner stalls and they fight each other to destruction in a war of attrition.

ETA: damn, had to add the e on moral to make it morale.  Complete change of the meaning.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:10:18 PM EDT
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I understand the need to keep to the plan to a point but I think Ukraine should choose a few key places and commit some of their reserve brigades that theyve been holding onto.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:10:20 PM EDT
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What time does Metallica play

Metallica - Enter Sandman Live (Stranger in Moscow, Moscow Russia 1991)
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Originally Posted By K0UA:



Well, that certainly would be the smart thing to do. But just when have Russians made the smart choice?

The smarter choice would never have to started the war in the first place. Just sit back sell natural resources and enjoy the money. BUT NO!
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Agree, monumentally stupid thing to do.
Unless you're a psychopath nearing the
end and want to take as many others as
you can with you.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:14:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


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I wonder if the Nazis will be successful in reaching Moscow this time…
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Originally Posted By elcope:
Need a Russin speaker ASAP to analyze what's being talked about on talk radio in Vorozhneh.

http://radio.garden/visit/voronezh/CkOOnTRn

ETA:From the limited I can understand, talking about Prighozin & Moscow.
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I only caught about a minute before an ad but they were discussing everything going on. Putin rumored to have fled like Lukashenko's family and about Prigozhin's progress towards Moscow so far.
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

Shit man they may even be swelling their ranks as disillusioned Russians, join up with them. Like a snowball rolling from the top of a mountain until it's a giant
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Originally Posted By Dracster:

They also showed the lack of internal security forces. Wagner is advancing against no opposition because there's no opposition to face. Russia is basically empty of anything except police forces. Where the neck are the 200k conscripts that weren't supposed to be sent to Ukraine? Hint: probably growing sunflowers.

Shit man they may even be swelling their ranks as disillusioned Russians, join up with them. Like a snowball rolling from the top of a mountain until it's a giant


It was worth it to see Sketti in that thread admit “my estimates of a Russian victory are no longer valid” .

Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:17:49 PM EDT
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Curious where Yanukovich is. He was last heard to be in Rostov.
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Horseshit.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:18:28 PM EDT
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I hope Putin and the MoD can get a whole bunch of troops to Moscow before Wagner gets there. I'm going to be pissed if Wagner takes Moscow with little resistance.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:19:17 PM EDT
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I call BS. That guy is a joke and nobody takes him seriously. If anything, it a pause.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:19:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Third_Rail:




Horseshit.
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Originally Posted By Third_Rail:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

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Horseshit.


Yeah, I am hoping that this keeps going.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:21:09 PM EDT
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timely and accurate
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


Yeah, I am hoping that this keeps going.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By Third_Rail:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

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Horseshit.


Yeah, I am hoping that this keeps going.


Lukashenko would be putting his head in a noose by giving such legitimacy to Prigozhin in Putin's eyes. I just don't believe that happened.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:22:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762:
I hope Putin and the MoD can get a whole bunch of troops to Moscow before Wagner gets there. I'm going to be pissed if Wagner takes Moscow with little resistance.
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Last few post making it look like they aren't going to make it to Moscow at all.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:23:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By iggy1337:
The usual outlets deliver. Serious: Has there been any credible signs of life from WarGonzo yet?


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If there are no videos of wargonzo talking about this he’s dead. Not posts or tweets. Videos.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


Yeah, I am hoping that this keeps going.
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Originally Posted By Third_Rail:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzZ1KQFXwAEEusL?format=jpg&name=900x900




Horseshit.


Yeah, I am hoping that this keeps going.


Welp, Putin may have agreed to get rid of shoigu and garisemov and Prog got rid of two bad apples for Putin. Damn it I hope this isn’t true.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:24:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hking:
So uh this is like at a 8/10 level of "Its happening"?
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no it's happening , we just don't know what's happening
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:24:55 PM EDT
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Horseshit.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

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Horseshit.


And sign his own death warrant in the process? Yeah, okay.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:24:56 PM EDT
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That’s suicide for Wagner.

I’m betting it’s just regular propaganda to slow the advance and not get anymore units switching sides.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:25:33 PM EDT
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Wagner militants advancing on Moscow divided into 3-4 columns

Several thousand Vager militants advancing from Rostov to Moscow divided into three or four columns, according to the pro-Kremlin military telegram channel Rybar.

Where these columns are now is “unclear”. According to Rybar, the Oka River in the Lipetsk Region is being actively dug up, where it is planned to stop the advance of the Wagner militants towards Moscow.

“But at the same time, there are rumors about advanced detachments in Kashira and Serpukhov (locals are talking about some kind of shooting),” the telegram channel notes.

https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/13824

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Originally Posted By iggy1337:
The usual outlets deliver. Serious: Has there been any credible signs of life from WarGonzo yet?


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Yeah, it's been interesting seeing all the deflections and copes:

"There's no coup happening."

"This is to cover up the Hunter text messages just like the Oceangate sub."

"This is to lure the Ukrainians deep into a trap."
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:26:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Freiheit8472:


Welp, Putin may have agreed to get rid of the shoigu and garisemov and Prog got rid of two bad apples for Putin. Damn it I hope this isn’t true.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By Third_Rail:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

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Horseshit.


Yeah, I am hoping that this keeps going.


Welp, Putin may have agreed to get rid of the shoigu and garisemov and Prog got rid of two bad apples for Putin. Damn it I hope this isn’t true.

I can't believe that. Each want the other dead. One is called a traitor. Someone has to fall out of a window.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:26:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tuco22:

Last few post making it look like they aren't going to make it to Moscow at all.
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762:
I hope Putin and the MoD can get a whole bunch of troops to Moscow before Wagner gets there. I'm going to be pissed if Wagner takes Moscow with little resistance.

Last few post making it look like they aren't going to make it to Moscow at all.
not buying that luka talked Prigozhin off the cliff. Not buying it at all.
Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:28:16 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/24/2023 1:30:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
not buying that luka talked Prigozhin off the cliff. Not buying it at all.
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Right? Like ya ok, some puppet from an insignificant allied has the power and influence to negotiate on behalf of Putin yet Putin isn’t negotiating? Talk about embarrassing.
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Originally Posted By TheHunstman:

I can't believe that. Each want the other dead. One is called a traitor. Someone has to fall out of a window.
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Originally Posted By Freiheit8472:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By Third_Rail:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzZ1KQFXwAEEusL?format=jpg&name=900x900




Horseshit.


Yeah, I am hoping that this keeps going.


Welp, Putin may have agreed to get rid of the shoigu and garisemov and Prog got rid of two bad apples for Putin. Damn it I hope this isn’t true.

I can't believe that. Each want the other dead. One is called a traitor. Someone has to fall out of a window.


Gotta give credit to farmer on this one. He called it last night if this is what happens.
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They were going to dismantle PMC Wagner. We came out on 23 June to the March of Justice. In a day, we walked to nearly 200km away from Moscow. In this time, we did not spill a single drop of blood of our fighters. Now, the moment has come when blood may spill. That’s why, understanding the responsibility for spilling Russian blood on one of the sides, we are turning back our convoys and going back to field camps according to the plan."
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Sky News now saying Nutsack has ordered his convoys to return to base in order to prevent bloodshed. Not sure what to make of all of this yet.
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
not buying that luka talked Prigozhin off the cliff. Not buying it at all.
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Originally Posted By Tuco22:
Originally Posted By CenterMass762:
I hope Putin and the MoD can get a whole bunch of troops to Moscow before Wagner gets there. I'm going to be pissed if Wagner takes Moscow with little resistance.

Last few post making it look like they aren't going to make it to Moscow at all.
not buying that luka talked Prigozhin off the cliff. Not buying it at all.


Tuco was really quick to sell it.
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Sky News now saying Nutsack has ordered his convoys to return to base in order to prevent bloodshed. Not sure what to make of all of this yet.
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Aw, disappoint.

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