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Posted: 6/24/2023 3:56:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Ruh roh... Weird to have so many English speakers in rostov at the right time and place... English is the universal business language. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 3:56:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Why, that would match what the Ukrainian forces are saying the Russian death tallies were.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Truth bombs dropping...  Why, that would match what the Ukrainian forces are saying the Russian death tallies were. Holy shit So putins troops are gonna get shot at and raped literally by the convicts 
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Posted: 6/24/2023 3:59:42 PM EDT
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AL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2023 3:59:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Holy shit So putins troops are gonna get shot at and raped literally by the convicts Like boot camp all over again |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:01:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI keep seeing these infographics, and wonder do we need to add 2 more infographics…another tracker for MOD casualties within Russia and another for Russia casualties within Russia |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:02:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Girkin is not happy https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzaJE0LWYAMlMfn?format=png&name=small Good this is exactly what we said would happen and how tons of irreversible damage to Putin has been done. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:03:26 PM EDT
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:03:56 PM EDT
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He will accidentally shoot himself 3 times in the back of the head while tripping out of a twelfth floor window.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:06:33 PM EDT
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If I liked drama like this, I'd have watched
a soap opera. It seems someone wasn't getting enough attention. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:06:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: If this goes civil war critical, it would be the first civil war of the big 5 in our life times. Sure there was a minor hiccup revolt against Boris, I mean a true civil war charging on the capitol with resistance. I can say, I saw the Berlin Wall fall at 17 at the demise of the Federation (if you want to call it that) and the implosion of Russia. Both by the ineptitude of their systems. Fucking crazy times ETA and yes, I opened the Scotch I saved for the demise of Russia tonight and partook of its sweet elixir en mass. I was saving this in hopes of the day UA was free of the scourge and perhaps prematurely opened it… but, fuck it… this is epic Once I’m convinced this is legit with actual effects on the ground in Ukraine, I’ll spring for a very nice new scotch. Until then I’m withholding judgment. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:08:41 PM EDT
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If this is true and Russians are fighting other Russians, all I can say is fuck yeah, more of that please.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:08:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:10:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:10:24 PM EDT
[#14]
Welp I didn't expect it to go like that.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:12:46 PM EDT
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Artoir (@ItsArtoir) June 24, 2023 |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:14:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_5761_jpeg-2862591.JPG It was an IL-22M and they even gave a tail number, the outer engines had ripped off making it look like a 2 engine craft. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:14:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Hotdog is in the bun, I repeat, hotdog is in the bun:
Saying that Wagner isn’t interfering in supply to or aviation attacks against Ukraine tells me this isn’t all its portrayed to be. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:14:30 PM EDT
[#18]
Storm Shadow targets are probably already readjusted as are dozens of HIMARS
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:15:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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I think the wisest guidance on these events comes from Garay Kasparov. Russia is a criminal organization with competing gang leaders.
It will play out according to who profits and controls various cash flows. There is no ideology. There are no “politics.” There is no loyalty beyond self-interest of the moment. Remember that it was claimed that Shoigu was skimming as much as 50% of the MoD budget. And his underlings another 30%. And that Wagner is basically a natural resource plundering organization bringing massive wealth into Russia. What that all means for end game I have no idea. But it won’t follow any western expectations unless looking more like Mexican cartels maneuvering. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:16:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sywagon]
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At the end of the day, if he has gotten the leadership of the MOD replaced, he won. My gut feeling is that he is now actually basically in charge of RU and the back-down is to allow his country to save some face (too late for that really though). Whether it has any effect on the actual war is yet to be seen, but it does sound like Ukraine may have taken some advantage of this window. The air losses are a nice bonus.
Ah well, it was fun while it lasted - now back to Ukraine kicking their asses. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:18:40 PM EDT
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So even when Russia goes fully Leroy Jenkins on Russia it doesn't get a decisive victory. Meanwhile every nation just watched the geopolitical version of dude from Fight Club hitting himself in a parking lot
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:18:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: . Once I’m convinced this is legit with actual effects on the ground in Ukraine, I’ll spring for a very nice new scotch. Until then I’m withholding jusgment. What if Shoigu and Gerasimov are beeing replaced by more competent guys? Could get worse for Ukraine. 
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:20:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: What if Shoigu and Gerasimov are beeing replaced by more competent guys? Could get worse for Ukraine. Competence is not in their vernacular when it comes to war. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:21:09 PM EDT
[#24]
What’s the payday? $10B? $50B? $100B?
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:23:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PolarBear416]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: What if Shoigu and Gerasimov are beeing replaced by more competent guys? Could get worse for Ukraine. I think that is essentially Prigozhen's demand, with the rider that he sees himself as the most competent. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:23:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: At the end of the day, if he has gotten the leadership of the MOD replaced, he won. My gut feeling is that he is now actually basically in charge of RU and the back-down is to allow his country to save some face (too late for that really though). Whether it has any effect on the actual war is yet to be seen, but it does sound like Ukraine may have taken some advantage of this window. The air losses are a nice bonus. Ah well, it was fun while it lasted - now back to Ukraine kicking their asses. Yeah those were significant aircraft. THREE EW/command helicopters, a CandC plane, and three attack helicopters. Plus the crews for each which Russia could not spare. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:25:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:26:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Irish-0101: Timberlands Basketball What a way to spend the last few hours of freedom 🇮🇪💪https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/584812/IMG_0056_png-2862022.JPG Be careful and keep your head on a swivel. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:26:10 PM EDT
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Meanwhile…
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:27:39 PM EDT
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:28:58 PM EDT
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AL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:29:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: What if Shoigu and Gerasimov are beeing replaced by more competent guys? Could get worse for Ukraine. I think it's a little late in the game though. What's a central planning guy going to do with what they have now? Fundamental flaws won't just get fixed. Ukraine has a pipeline of western training now. Russians are panic digging trenches in highways outside their capital. I don't see them having any footing whatsoever to pivot from all this. I don't think any changes in brass can alter the trajectory |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:29:56 PM EDT
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How many of you guys would get on a plane “protected” by Putin with Prigozhin heading to Belarus? Chance of fiery mid-flight smoking accident?
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:30:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: How many of you guys would get on a plane “protected” by Putin with Prigozhin heading to Belarus? Chance of fiery mid-flight smoking accident?
Lol is this some sort of exile? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:31:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: I think it's a little late in the game though. What's a central planning guy going to do with what they have now? Fundamental flaws won't just get fixed. Ukraine has a pipeline of western training now. Russians are panic digging trenches in highways outside their capital. I don't see them having any footing whatsoever to pivot from all this. I don't think any changes in brass can alter the trajectory Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: What if Shoigu and Gerasimov are beeing replaced by more competent guys? Could get worse for Ukraine. I think it's a little late in the game though. What's a central planning guy going to do with what they have now? Fundamental flaws won't just get fixed. Ukraine has a pipeline of western training now. Russians are panic digging trenches in highways outside their capital. I don't see them having any footing whatsoever to pivot from all this. I don't think any changes in brass can alter the trajectory It’s not like they suddenly get hundreds of T-90 tanks, Iskander missiles, pilots, and secure comms handsets. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:32:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Lol is this some sort of exile? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: How many of you guys would get on a plane “protected” by Putin with Prigozhin heading to Belarus? Chance of fiery mid-flight smoking accident?
Lol is this some sort of exile? Exile into a puppet state seems like a poor choice. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:32:23 PM EDT
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Prighozin effectively takes control of the Russian government without having to burn down Moscow and murder the leaders to make it happen. Putin agrees to this because the Russian troops are all at the front lines in Ukraine leaving Moscow unable to defend itself from wagner, who are willing and able to burn down Moscow and murder all of the leaders.
It's a successful coup with Putin left as a figurehead. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:33:49 PM EDT
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:33:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:35:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Prighozin effectively takes control of the Russian government without having to burn down Moscow and murder the leaders to make it happen. Putin agrees to this because the Russian troops are all at the front lines in Ukraine leaving Moscow unable to defend itself from wagner, who are willing and able to burn down Moscow and murder all of the leaders. It's a successful coup with Putin left as a figurehead. These are my conclusions as well. A bloodless coup(sort of). Either way, makes Putin(and Russia as a whole) more vulnerable |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:35:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:36:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Makes zero sense. Unless we know the deal that was made of course. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:37:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking: It seems super super odd that Wagner shoots down multiple RU helos, takes over multiple cities, there were multiple unconfirmed but reported small arms skirmishes between Wagner and RU forces, and RU started destroying oil depots and other equipment to not let Wagner capture it, but now they all say lol we talked it out and everything is ok now. It’s the most bizarre thing that’s happened during this war IMHO. I think it could very well be some type of false flag op orchestrated by Prigozhin and Putin together. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:39:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: It’s the most bizarre thing that’s happened during this war IMHO. I think it could very well be some type of false flag op orchestrated by Prigozhin and Putin together. For what end result? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:40:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: @the_resurrector what's it like now? I was going to ask about him when I read that Russia was drafting and mobilizing foreigners and guest workers. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:40:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m35ben]
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Another good interview and discussion with an American who lived in Russia and is fighting for Ukraine.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:41:49 PM EDT
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From BBC. They have several good articles
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:42:25 PM EDT
[#48]
So Wagner is no more … Prighozin sold out his Mercs … Russia was made to look like a fool by Belarus negotiating …
Wow … |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:42:50 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: It’s the most bizarre thing that’s happened during this war IMHO. I think it could very well be some type of false flag op orchestrated by Prigozhin and Putin together.  |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:42:56 PM EDT
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