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Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:09:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By planemaker:


Interesting design features. Forward swept wings (for no apparent reason). Also, what is it's propulsion system? It almost looks like a micro-turbine in the aft end but there's no air intake (unless the scoop is recessed and is deployed once launched).
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My initial reaction was why the hell go so unconventional? After pondering on it a while I think it makes sense.  With the jet engine in the rear, forward swept wings means the wings mount as close to the engine as possible. So internally the beefy portion of the frame gets to be as short of a section as possible. Engine mount and all control mounts can be one piece.  Lightweight and simple to manufacture. Everything forward of the wing mounts can be an extremely thin skinned capsule for payload and electronics.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:10:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thanosnap:

You haven't actually watched Tucker Carlson, Scott Ritter, Douglas MacGregor and other Russia sympathizers then. They're saying Russia is outkilling Ukraine 7 to 1 or 10 to 1, that they're crushing Ukraine, Ukrainians are Nazis who deserve it, that Ukraine is running out of soldiers and Biden has gotten us into a mess because our soldiers will be next, and that the dollar is collapsing because of angry Russians and their supporters, BRICS is the new empire, and this is the end of America as we know it. Any objective person knows that's all not true.

This is not just a military war. Through the G7, EU, IMF, World Bank etc we control 2/3rds of the world economy. Russia controls 1%. We control the banks, insurance companies, shipping lanes and so forth. We control the price of Russian oil. No one in geopolitics doubts doubts we could destroy Russia with a stroke of a pen. But no matter how much we dislike their current government, they still need to be able to govern themselves. The fact that if the Russian government cannot pay their bills and shuts their doors their 6,000 nukes are unsecure alone makes destroying Russia a nonstarter, let alone the hit to the global economy and humanitarian disaster. So we've decided not to lower the oil price cap and we're at about a level 7 out of 10 sanctions..

Putin says he had to invade Ukraine because the West wants to destroy Russia and Ukraine being neutral is key to his security. People like you prove his point. But that's not what we're trying to do here. We've achieved our objective. Russia cannot threaten the West anymore, not in Putin's lifetime. And most Americans (55%) have stopped supporting aid to Ukraine. So it doesn't make you a Russian sympathizer to say give peace a try when the window for it opens; it makes you a moderate and is actually what the majority thinks right now. You're the extremist, not me.

I mean, due to budget constraints Russia put all their most modern equipment and elite soldiers into the 1st Guards Tank Army. They were the ones that were supposed to fight NATO if we ever went toe-to-toe. The 1st Guards was decimated. They're pulling museum era T-55 tanks out of storage. We cannot weaken them much more than we already have. The only viable replacements to Putin are hardliner strongmen worse than him. Sooner or later Congress will stop sending the money or maybe Zelensky gets assassinated or maybe the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant gets blown up, and nobody knows how this plays out then.
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There's no basis to "give peace a try" as long as Russia keeps saying they want the nation, culture, and nationality of Ukraine erased from the earth. You can say all day long "well, that's just for their domestic audience," but that actually makes it worse. They're training their entire population to prep for genocide. There isn't even a serious question. That's not tolerable. Genocide in Europe is not tolerable. Imperialism is not tolerable. That's not an extremist position, and it's pretty bad to say that it is.

Did you read the column (written by a Russian) that says Russia needs to be humiliated? Russia is never going to stop attacking their neighbors and attempting genocide until they get a smack-down that their entire population cannot deny. They need a very public and undeniable loss. It doesn't matter if the alternatives to Putin are worse. Actually, that just makes it even more vital to get rid of Putin. If a real wack-job takes power, that will only solidify world opinion against Russia, which again would be a public good. The more Russia fails the better, so that everyone else is forced to acknowledge the threat to peace Russia poses, even now under Putin.

Accommodating bullies is NOT a good public policy. That's what your post is arguing for. Accommodating people who are openly, daily, consistently, repeatedly calling for genocide and working for genocide is NOT a good public policy. Is there risk in standing up to genocidal bullies? You bet! The harm of accommodating them is worse.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:10:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
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Arctic Pantsirs near Moscow

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Perfect targets for the cardboard airforce.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:16:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Capta:

Wouldn’t surprise me if Poland steps up with “volunteers.”
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


I'm about to voice an unpopular opinion, but it's a harsh reality. Unfortunately, our losses are substantial, and we're a smaller country in terms of population. Ignoring this fact now may lead to a rude awakening later. The most effective approach is to secure more assistance for Ukraine, as Western equipment has already saved numerous Ukrainian lives


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5MId88XoAAdu0p?format=jpg&name=medium



Wouldn’t surprise me if Poland steps up with “volunteers.”

The 1st Hussar Volunteer Army Corps and Air Wing.  “Have F35, Will Travel.”
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:17:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DH_Runner:


The NACP website is a little hard to navigate, here’s a link to companies still doing business in russia:

https://leave-russia.org/staying-companies
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Good move. Russia and China need to be increasingly treated like NKorea pariahs.
Shame on Pepsi/FritoLays, Mars, P&G. Multinationals with no national allegiance should not be given domestic protections or access beyond what a foreign company has. They are no more “American” companies than Alibaba or Gazprom. We have far too many MNs that live to do business in China and Russia while enjoying US trade protections and favors.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3501-2942451.jpg


The NACP website is a little hard to navigate, here’s a link to companies still doing business in russia:

https://leave-russia.org/staying-companies

Perfect! Thx
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:31:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DASJUDEN:


Vikhr is laser guided not wire guided. They don't have to stay still, they just have to keep the designator on target the entire time.
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Originally Posted By DASJUDEN:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

They also have to hold still for those 22 seconds to guide the missile.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5KyxmbbIAAbXHn?format=jpg&name=large


Vikhr is laser guided not wire guided. They don't have to stay still, they just have to keep the designator on target the entire time.


Yes, thanks for that clarification, I meant the designating helicopter has to maintain line of sight for the missile for the flight duration and I didn't think it could do much maneuvering during that time.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:35:16 PM EDT
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One thing I haven’t figured out is why we haven’t seen the Pakistani ALCMs in use yet along with more PGMs.

They could be used a lot more than other western PGMs due to quantities available.

Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:39:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By planemaker:


More arm-waving BS. First, The Soviet Union collapsed because the .gov couldn't pay their bills. Amazingly, all their nukes didn't suddenly show up in the middle east. Funny that. Second, 81% of Dims, 56% of GOP, 57% Independents support us arming ukraine and Even left-leaning orgs show polls in favor of more support to Ukraine

We need to help Ukraine win militarily and help push Russia into being a failed nation-state that disintegrates into regional countries. This is precisely the model that we should be following, not some idiotic peacenik approach.
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I revel in hearing about Russia being crushed. It will happen internally from demographics and economics. It will happen externally from a meat grinder of Muscovites forced by bayonet to the zero line. Hmmmm relish me some debilitated Rooskie armies begging to go home.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:39:35 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:45:08 PM EDT
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lol.


 A video has appeared of a Mi-28N oblique firing at a UAV. This is a video from Belgorod when one of the drones was shot down at night, while now it is being issued as a refutation of the statements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that the Mi-28N tried to shoot down the UAV but nothing came of it  
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Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:46:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

There's no basis to "give peace a try" as long as Russia keeps saying they want the nation, culture, and nationality of Ukraine erased from the earth. You can say all day long "well, that's just for their domestic audience," but that actually makes it worse. They're training their entire population to prep for genocide. There isn't even a serious question. That's not tolerable. Genocide in Europe is not tolerable. Imperialism in not tolerable. That's not an extremist position, and it's pretty bad to say that it is.

Did you read the column that says Russia needs to be humiliated? Russia is never going to stop attacking their neighbors and attempting genocide until they get a smack-down that their entire population cannot deny. They need a very public and undeniable loss. It doesn't matter if the alternatives to Putin are worse. Actually, that just makes it even more vital to get rid of Putin. If a real wack-job takes power, that will only solidify world opinion against Russia, which again would be a public good. The more Russia fails the better, so that everyone else is forced to acknowledge the threat to peace Russia poses, even now under Putin.

Accommodating bullies is NOT a good public policy. That's what your post is arguing for. Accommodating people who are openly, daily, consistently, repeatedly calling for genocide and working for genocide is NOT a good public policy. Is there risk in standing up to genocidal bullies? You bet! The harm of accommodating them is worse.
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“You probe with bayonets: if you find mush, you push. If you find steel, you withdraw”
― Vladimir Ilich Lenin


"Allegedly" a VIL quote. Regardless, it certainly rings true throughout Russian history.

And FWIW, the Russians already complain of "humiliation"; that's how they refer to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

"Gee, sorry you motherf**kers tried to run a shitty command economy for decades and it collapse under the weight of its own mismanagement. How was that our fault again"?

We need to crush the Russians as completely and totally as we can - it's what they would do if given the opportunity, and they have already demonstrated their style of rule when they had the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries. Do we really need to see a replay of that to know that letting up off the mat wouldn't be good?
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:48:17 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:49:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Perfect targets for the cardboard airforce.
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
https://i.imgur.com/zxQDPiC.jpg

Arctic Pantsirs near Moscow

Perfect targets for the cardboard airforce.


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Putting a highly mobile AA system on a fixed platform, what could possibly go wrong?

Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:49:59 PM EDT
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W A R !!!

“Did I say that out loud???”



'There is war between Russia and Turkey,' announced the Turkish-Russian translation of Erdogan's remarks.

The Russian dictator appeared momentarily nonplussed as the interpreter mis-translated the Ankara president's opening remarks at a summit in Sochi.

Telegram channel Crimean Wind called out an 'epic mistake' by the official interpreter at the summit between Turkey, a NATO member, and Russia.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:51:17 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:54:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:


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“You probe with bayonets: if you find mush, you push. If you find steel, you withdraw”
― Vladimir Ilich Lenin


"Allegedly" a VIL quote. Regardless, it certainly rings true throughout Russian history.

And FWIW, the Russians already complain of "humiliation"; that's how they refer to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

"Gee, sorry you motherf**kers tried to run a shitty command economy for decades and it collapse under the weight of its own mismanagement. How was that our fault again"?

We need to crush the Russians as completely and totally as we can - it's what they would do if given the opportunity, and they have already demonstrated their style of rule when they had the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries. Do we really need to see a replay of that to know that letting up off the mat wouldn't be good?
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:
Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

There's no basis to "give peace a try" as long as Russia keeps saying they want the nation, culture, and nationality of Ukraine erased from the earth. You can say all day long "well, that's just for their domestic audience," but that actually makes it worse. They're training their entire population to prep for genocide. There isn't even a serious question. That's not tolerable. Genocide in Europe is not tolerable. Imperialism in not tolerable. That's not an extremist position, and it's pretty bad to say that it is.

Did you read the column that says Russia needs to be humiliated? Russia is never going to stop attacking their neighbors and attempting genocide until they get a smack-down that their entire population cannot deny. They need a very public and undeniable loss. It doesn't matter if the alternatives to Putin are worse. Actually, that just makes it even more vital to get rid of Putin. If a real wack-job takes power, that will only solidify world opinion against Russia, which again would be a public good. The more Russia fails the better, so that everyone else is forced to acknowledge the threat to peace Russia poses, even now under Putin.

Accommodating bullies is NOT a good public policy. That's what your post is arguing for. Accommodating people who are openly, daily, consistently, repeatedly calling for genocide and working for genocide is NOT a good public policy. Is there risk in standing up to genocidal bullies? You bet! The harm of accommodating them is worse.


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“You probe with bayonets: if you find mush, you push. If you find steel, you withdraw”
― Vladimir Ilich Lenin


"Allegedly" a VIL quote. Regardless, it certainly rings true throughout Russian history.

And FWIW, the Russians already complain of "humiliation"; that's how they refer to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

"Gee, sorry you motherf**kers tried to run a shitty command economy for decades and it collapse under the weight of its own mismanagement. How was that our fault again"?

We need to crush the Russians as completely and totally as we can - it's what they would do if given the opportunity, and they have already demonstrated their style of rule when they had the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries. Do we really need to see a replay of that to know that letting up off the mat wouldn't be good?

You and lorazepam are running excellent campaigns for being President and I will vote for both of you early, often and after death as per our new election process in Oregon 😁
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:55:59 PM EDT
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A Flakpanzer #Gepard 1A2 shoots another air warfare weapon from the night sky.
Both weapons on, Operation 1A, 6 shot limited, long combat range. Hit!  
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Link Posted: 9/4/2023 3:58:26 PM EDT
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Everyone is more optimistic than me. I see a long slog ahead and a relatively short amount of time to make substantial gains.



"It is easier from now on!" Ukraine's Southern Command optimistic about Counteroffensive!

Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:03:27 PM EDT
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The trend is spreading.




https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-really-is-using-tires-to-protect-its-bombers-from-attack
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:03:51 PM EDT
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Fire!!
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:08:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By m35ben:
Everyone is more optimistic than me. I see a long slog ahead and a relatively short amount of time to make substantial gains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7SivKp1ow8
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That's because videos like this are intended to rally and maintain support for Ukraine, rather than clear assessments of progress and likely outcomes. Like the old videos from Kiyanin (?) and Witch in Bakhmut. It's both news and propaganda.

Once Ukraine does force a gap in the defenses, how well will they be able to rush large amounts of men & equipment in to drive that wedge through? They don't seem to have airmobile operations at all, which would help them get through minefields and consolidate gains. Mines & ATGMs negate armor advances. Like Tatrigami noted in the tweet posted earlier, Ukraine only has a limited amount of manpower. If they can't force Russia out with the manpower they have, they lose.

Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:08:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
The trend is spreading.


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1698773626135130112/3RtJbnHW?format=jpg&name=900x900

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This has a very third world dirt runway feel to it. However, did none of these “aircraft maintenance professionals “ ever watch Winnie Mandela in action? Russia necklacing its own bombers…I can hardly wait for the first willie Pete grenade drop. 😂
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:17:49 PM EDT
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Idle musing: If Russian warmongers like Gurulev say they should demonstrate their seriousness by deploying a tactical nuke on their territory in, say, Robotyne, who's to say Ukraine couldn't announce a test of a nuclear weapon on Ukrainian territory around, say, Perekop?
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:19:02 PM EDT
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Just let the rabid dog die.

they turned into a country of beggars overnight.  you know what they say..

history repeats itself.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:20:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:29:35 PM EDT
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Destiny kicked that PutinBro right in the dick!
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:39:09 PM EDT
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For anyone following along in German  

04.09.2023 Lagebericht Ukraine | Neues aus Bachmut!

Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:49:18 PM EDT
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It has a scoop. Towards the rear.
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Originally Posted By m35ben:
Originally Posted By planemaker:


Interesting design features. Forward swept wings (for no apparent reason). Also, what is it's propulsion system? It almost looks like a micro-turbine in the aft end but there's no air intake (unless the scoop is recessed and is deployed once launched).
It has a scoop. Towards the rear.


Didn't see a scoop in the Twitter pictures. Is there a picture somewhere else?
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 4:57:09 PM EDT
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Upcoming live stream

?? (NSFW) Combat Footage Show: Bayraktar Returns, Verbove, Kontakt Legos

Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:02:20 PM EDT
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Didn't see a scoop in the Twitter pictures. Is there a picture somewhere else?
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I guess naca duct would be a better description.



Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:22:16 PM EDT
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A VChK-OGPU source says that Surovikin was allowed to leave the place of house arrest on August 26, when the issue with Prigozhin was already finally closed, and he himself
Surovikin finally unconditionally accepted the conditions of his further peaceful existence. Almost immediately, he flew with his wife to Sochi, to the same facility from the FBK investigation. When he managed to return is not clear, unless, of course, the photo was taken, as they say, in Moscow, and not in Sochi.

According to the source, the successful resolution of claims against Surovikin became possible thanks to Sergei Chemezov and Sergei Kiriyenko. On the initiative of the latter, today's photo of Surovikin and his wife was launched on the network. According to the results of media measurements of the reactions of the population to the "return" of Surovikin, the Presidential Administration will make a presentation for Putin, where they will emphasize the correctness of the decision to drop the charges against the people's favorite.

It is noteworthy that Gennady Timchenko made no effort to release Surovikin, which indicates the desire of the oligarch to isolate himself from his ties with Wagner and Surovikin


https://t.me/vchkogpu/41565



⚡️Urgent⚡️WG sources confirm Surovikin's release⚡️

A photo of General Surovikin and his wife appeared on the network. We cannot vouch for its authenticity, but according to sources as close as possible to the situation, Surovikin has not been burdened with any restrictions for more than a week. There is no mention of an arrest at all.

As for his future career prospects, this question remains shrouded in mystery at the moment.


https://t.me/wargonzo/14839

Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:22:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By m35ben:
I guess naca duct would be a better description.


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/message-editor_1575490677977-62624ccac-2942801.jpg
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Originally Posted By m35ben:
Originally Posted By planemaker:


Didn't see a scoop in the Twitter pictures. Is there a picture somewhere else?
I guess naca duct would be a better description.


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/message-editor_1575490677977-62624ccac-2942801.jpg


That's a different unit.

Interestingly, on their web site (https://ukrjet.ua/eng#topaz) they have a top-mounted inlet. But the model in the Twitter picture doesn't look like it has an inlet at all. Perhaps the one in the Twitter picture is just a model/mock-up.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:26:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/201300/0_tank-1_jpg-2942682.JPG

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thats just it though.. its not a terrible place to put them.  They are trying to detect lower flying uavs and that might help.  The trade off is the possibility of being an easier target for those that do get through.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:27:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By planemaker:


That's a different unit.

Interestingly, on their web site (https://ukrjet.ua/eng#topaz) they have a top-mounted inlet. But the model in the Twitter picture doesn't look like it has an inlet at all. Perhaps the one in the Twitter picture is just a model/mock-up.[/q

uote]I don't know then.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:30:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

That's because videos like this are intended to rally and maintain support for Ukraine, rather than clear assessments of progress and likely outcomes. Like the old videos from Kiyanin (?) and Witch in Bakhmut. It's both news and propaganda.

Once Ukraine does force a gap in the defenses, how well will they be able to rush large amounts of men & equipment in to drive that wedge through? They don't seem to have airmobile operations at all, which would help them get through minefields and consolidate gains. Mines & ATGMs negate armor advances. Like Tatrigami noted in the tweet posted earlier, Ukraine only has a limited amount of manpower. If they can't force Russia out with the manpower they have, they lose.

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Air mobile ops in a battlefield full of manpads is not a good idea
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:31:59 PM EDT
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⚡️PMC Pegov⚡️Singularity is not the limit⚡️

Alexander "Matros" Agranovich believes that the Ukrainian people have a future... But only as part of the Empire.

Once Ukraine lost - this happened long before the NWO. The Empire knows how to pass the test of tolerance towards other peoples. Ukraine did not pass this exam at the time. Rejecting the Russians, she dragged all her citizens into carnival Nazism and a state of decay.

The Sailor had a lot of time to think about what went wrong. The works of Russian cosmists obviously did not pass by his attention, and therefore these reflections have a special touch of intelligence of a military man.


https://t.me/wargonzo/14843

Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:33:59 PM EDT
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Look at the piece of shrapnel this guy took!
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:34:12 PM EDT
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Armored cars LAVR on the way to Ukraine! 🇺🇦

Armored vehicles LAVR "TITAN" belong to the category of multi-purpose mine-resistant vehicles designed for use in heavy combat zones.

Armor LAVR withstands shelling from weapons of caliber 5.45 mm and 7.62 mm, as well as hit by fragments of shells during mortar or artillery fire.


https://t.me/mertviorku/3557

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I'd love to see these being destroyed in the most cost effective way, like tying cables to axles ala Porky's
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:53:46 PM EDT
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Starting soon
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 5:56:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By planemaker:


More arm-waving BS. First, The Soviet Union collapsed because the .gov couldn't pay their bills. Amazingly, all their nukes didn't suddenly show up in the middle east. Funny that. Second, 81% of Dims, 56% of GOP, 57% Independents support us arming ukraine and Even left-leaning orgs show polls in favor of more support to Ukraine

We need to help Ukraine win militarily and help push Russia into being a failed nation-state that disintegrates into regional countries. This is precisely the model that we should be following, not some idiotic peacenik approach.
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We (the US) tried to keep the USSR together at the time, because we were afraid of what might happen if they broke up. In 1991 the 3 leaders of Russia (Yeltsin), Belarus (Shushkevich) and Ukraine (Kravchuk) got together in a cabin in the Belovezh Forest in Belarus and decided to dissolve the USSR primarily to get rid of their boss, Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev. We sent billions to Russia from the IMF and elsewhere to keep their govt functioning, which it did (though not optimally).

Then we did a few things to help them secure their nukes, including:
1. We took our nuclear weapons off our navy surface ships and off alert, which allowed Russia to do the same.
2. They allowed us to send our scientists from Los Alamos to their facilities to help make sure no one was stealing their plutonium.
Neither would happen today under the current environment. They were not at war in 1992 and we had friendly relations.

This is why, we could be revoking insurance on all vessals that ship Russian oil. We could be boarding vessals that ship Russian oil to "make sure everything is in order" just to slow them down. We could blockade ports. We could be sanctioning any company that ships Russian oil. We could set the price at half what it is. Finally, we could have the Ukrainians sabotage the complex network of oil pipelines going through Samara, Russia as the Chechnyans did. If we did any of that, then oil flow would back up all the way to the wells in Siberia, the well heads would freeze over due to permafrost as they did in the 90s, and it would take at least a decade (with Western help) to re-drill. Energy is 2/3rds of their economy.

No, we haven't done any of this because anybody who knows anything about this in the government or elsewhere knows that we don't just destroy Russia to pump our fists in the air and yell "we win!" or because they are too antagonistic towards Ukraine and won't stop their attitude. No one gains anything from that. We want the oil flowing. And also we want to keep those kinds of options on the table in case Putin decides to blow up a nuclear power plant or use tactical nukes. That's what makes us better than Russia: they care about power and glory while we care about prosperity.
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Yes. Yes. Yes!


Link Posted: 9/4/2023 6:09:31 PM EDT
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❗️While some media are silent, labor migrants continue to explore Russia, establish their own rules and commit crimes.
A channel has appeared in Telegram, where Russians publish information about the lawlessness that illegal immigrants are doing in our Motherland.
The goal is simple, to draw the attention of the authorities to this problem and tighten the entry rules for migrants.

— Link to this channel: https://t.me/migranty_RUS

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https://t.me/grey_zone/20388



There are at least three completely different Russias.

The first is the one in which Russians are equated with white people, where people climb, but crawl up and forward, where there is a gap ahead and it is generally pleasant to live. I saw this Russia on TV, heard about it in the news and from politicians, I dream of getting into it, but I have never been to it. I don't even have friends who would visit it.

The second Russia is Russia at war. It's dirt, blood, your favorite evil%$whose heroism, life on the verge of despair and total ass. This is Russia, in which I have been living intermittently since the Second Chechen. Such a huge Russia, where the best sometimes put a bullet in their foreheads, but guests from the first Russia can make a virtual visit, allegedly rewarding our residents. But it's not ours, I know. Here, heroism and meanness go hand in hand, because the war has not made anyone better or worse - the war only shows who is who.

The third Russia is a Russia where peaceful life flows and NBO is on TV. Many who consider themselves residents of Russia at war actually live in Russia with a peaceful life. CBO for them is like a talk show, it's like Dom-2 for boys. Here live those who know how to fight and win, who can tell about the situation at the front in such a way that I throw out my report with shame. In this Russia, there are those who are against the war, there are those who are hoarsely rooting for their team (that is, for us) - this Russia is larger than Russia at war at times. For me, it’s like a complete terra incognita.

There is also a group of stalkers, where a particularly rare species is a real volunteer. They seem to have already lost themselves there, but they haven’t completely found themselves here either, because here it’s completely different from what the TV shows. But stalkers are a separate form of life: we interact with it, but between us the Charter and different universes.

This third, non-belligerent Russia can really be afraid of us - those who fundamentally do not meet good patriotic expectations and radically surpass any fears of the anti-military people. As after Afghanistan or after Chechnya, the inhabitants of Russia at war, returning, leave forever a part of themselves in the war. And they bring a piece of war with them. It's just that after Chechnya and Afghanistan there were few of us, and now there will be very, very many of us. And we will also bring a lot of war with us for you. You haven't seen so much yet.

No one can get into the first Russia, and there are so many of us now that the third Russia cannot be swallowed up so easily. And we are actually afraid of you too, because you are different, we are different. It’s funny and strange for you, but the men who have returned from the front can simply fall into a stupor in the store: from movement, from fuss, from choice. And this is how I went, according to the mildest options.

That first, ideal Russia - it will not help us. It is inaccessible to us, and if anyone lives in it, they are on their own, separate from us.
But the situation is carried in such a way that the article may very well be that they will shove this non-belligerent Russia to us. Not all, not immediately, but soon. It's just the way things are.

Today was a hard day, scary. And it's still going on. Therefore, in order not to go crazy, I write down these thoughts about such different Russia. Times, of course, we got merry. Well, Russia got what it is.


https://t.me/shouvalov/75

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That's a different unit.

Interestingly, on their web site (https://ukrjet.ua/eng#topaz) they have a top-mounted inlet. But the model in the Twitter picture doesn't look like it has an inlet at all. Perhaps the one in the Twitter picture is just a model/mock-up.
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Didn't see a scoop in the Twitter pictures. Is there a picture somewhere else?
I guess naca duct would be a better description.


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/message-editor_1575490677977-62624ccac-2942801.jpg


That's a different unit.

Interestingly, on their web site (https://ukrjet.ua/eng#topaz) they have a top-mounted inlet. But the model in the Twitter picture doesn't look like it has an inlet at all. Perhaps the one in the Twitter picture is just a model/mock-up.



Twitter photos may just be an example.  Thanks for that link by the way, they have some interesting drones available.  That flying rpg-7 loitering drone with 40km range could be interesting.
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 6:44:19 PM EDT
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Russian medics.
This is the first instance I’ve seen of trauma care to this level.


Work 🤙

Diagnosis: Combined shrapnel wound of the neck, chest and extremities. Blind shrapnel wound of the neck on the left in the first zone. Multiple blind shrapnel wounds to the left upper and lower extremities. Multiple blind shrapnel non-penetrating wounds of the chest on the left.

Assistance provided:
- Wound toilet
- Applying aseptic dressings to wounds
- Ultrasound examination of the left pleural sinus (point 3 according to FAST) - for the presence of hemothorax and at point 5 (according to FAST) - for the presence of pneumothorax
- Immobilization of the left upper limb with a scarf
- Medication: Ceftriaxone 2g IV, Ketorol 30mg IV, NaCl 0.5l

❗️Someone noticed where the tourniquet went? That's right, he caught and pulled. To prevent this from happening, there is a clause in the rules for applying a tourniquet: tie the ends into two knots!

@Military_Medic_VDV🪂


https://t.me/Military_Medic_VDV/250
https://t.me/rsotmdivision/10432

Link Posted: 9/4/2023 6:46:28 PM EDT
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Yes. Yes. Yes!



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Yes. Yes. Yes!







Not bad for "a useless weapon system".
Link Posted: 9/4/2023 6:46:47 PM EDT
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2hrs ago.











Link Posted: 9/4/2023 6:53:18 PM EDT
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This is the guy who got HIMARSed in the basement of a three story building.



KSE "SECCH"
POWER, UNITY, HONOR!

On this day, 41 years ago, our friend and elder brother, the founder of the Sich, Andrey "Firefighter" Rakhov, was born.

This is Andrey's first birthday, when he is not with us, and he looks at us and his loved ones from photographs and murals. By sacrificing himself for the future of our country, he found himself in a better world.

But we will continue to work on everything that was important for Andrey, preserving and increasing his legacy.

You can talk about Andrew endlessly. And we will write more than once about our founder and his principles. And today I would like to note that in Donetsk, grateful people with an active life position create memorials in honor of the fallen heroes, and in a very short time Andriy managed to become one of the iconic people for Donbass and the Northern Military District. This recognition is very pleasant and valuable for us.

We love and remember you. Happy Birthday, brother!


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https://t.me/rsotmdivision/10463

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