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Posted: 9/4/2023 6:57:25 PM EDT
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15 min ago.
eastern outskirts of Novoprokopivka. Other geolocated footage shows presence of Ukrainian forces inside the manned trenches west of Verbove. Might be moving fast once in the Russian trenches. 
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Posted: 9/4/2023 7:01:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Excalibur smack.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 7:07:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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☠️ Russian soldiers are being executed for drugs at the front!
Our agents from the 205th Motorized Rifle Cossack Brigade report that their unit is suffering from drug problems. There is a continuous supply of various kinds of narcotic drugs from marijuana to "salts" to the military at the front-line positions in the area of Nova Kakhovka. The brigade command is aware of the problem, but cannot do anything about it. It came to threats of execution in front of the ranks of both those who supply and those who use drugs. Problems with drug addiction in the Russian army existed before, but large-scale mobilization only exacerbated the problems. Under the narcotic effect, the military often conducts friendly fire, as a result of which we have a lot of 200s and 300s. What we are infinitely happy about) Is there a chance that some kind of partisan movement is corrupting discipline in the armed forces of the Russian Federation? We are not going to answer this question yet. https://t.me/atesh_ua/1699 I read and smile. A day later, "landing boats heading for Crimea were destroyed" And what will you write after another video of a successful landing in the Crimea? Or an attack in the port of Novorossiysk? Like tomorrow? ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1122 When the command is surrounded by greed, surrendering positions is not a matter of conscience, but of price. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1124 |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 7:32:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5NGqFBWoAARhOM?format=jpg&name=large Armored cars LAVR on the way to Ukraine! 🇺🇦 Armored vehicles LAVR "TITAN" belong to the category of multi-purpose mine-resistant vehicles designed for use in heavy combat zones. Armor LAVR withstands shelling from weapons of caliber 5.45 mm and 7.62 mm, as well as hit by fragments of shells during mortar or artillery fire. https://t.me/mertviorku/3557
So basically a HiLux on roids!! Want. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 7:45:43 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2023 7:50:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: ☠️ Russian soldiers are being executed for drugs at the front! Our agents from the 205th Motorized Rifle Cossack Brigade report that their unit is suffering from drug problems. There is a continuous supply of various kinds of narcotic drugs from marijuana to "salts" to the military at the front-line positions in the area of Nova Kakhovka. The brigade command is aware of the problem, but cannot do anything about it. It came to threats of execution in front of the ranks of both those who supply and those who use drugs. Problems with drug addiction in the Russian army existed before, but large-scale mobilization only exacerbated the problems. Under the narcotic effect, the military often conducts friendly fire, as a result of which we have a lot of 200s and 300s. What we are infinitely happy about) Is there a chance that some kind of partisan movement is corrupting discipline in the armed forces of the Russian Federation? We are not going to answer this question yet. https://t.me/atesh_ua/1699 I read and smile. A day later, "landing boats heading for Crimea were destroyed" And what will you write after another video of a successful landing in the Crimea? Or an attack in the port of Novorossiysk? Like tomorrow? ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1122 When the command is surrounded by greed, surrendering positions is not a matter of conscience, but of price. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1124 Let operation floaty vatnik begin  Only the highest quality (Never come back down) LSD for Mr. Mobik. Maybe some kill your ass quality fentanyl analogs Some "Peace Love and Unity" MDMA spiked with low levels of mercury salts. Where's the CIA when you need them? |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:03:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yes, thanks for that clarification, I meant the designating helicopter has to maintain line of sight for the missile for the flight duration and I didn't think it could do much maneuvering during that time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By DASJUDEN: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
They also have to hold still for those 22 seconds to guide the missile. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5KyxmbbIAAbXHn?format=jpg&name=large Vikhr is laser guided not wire guided. They don't have to stay still, they just have to keep the designator on target the entire time. Yes, thanks for that clarification, I meant the designating helicopter has to maintain line of sight for the missile for the flight duration and I didn't think it could do much maneuvering during that time. Not sure how an F35 would look with a Flying Tigers paint scheme, but it would be amazing if the Poles did that with some of their F35s when they receive them. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:15:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Looks worse than IMR4064 😂 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Ammo porn! Depleted uranium round cutaway for the Abrams. 😛 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3454-2940038.jpg Big shells burn BIG powder! Looks worse than IMR4064 😂 That gave me a laugh today! 
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:38:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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ISW assessment for September 4th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-4-2023 Limitations on Russian artillery capabilities and Ukrainian advantages in counter-battery fire are forcing the Russians to deviate from their own doctrine, RUSI reported. RUSI stated that Russian forces have been attempting to adapt their fire doctrine since before Ukrainian counteroffensive operations began.[11] RUSI noted that Russian forces are attempting to prioritize strike accuracy over volume because they lack enough ammunition to sustain doctrinally designated artillery fire, have difficulties transporting a large volume of ammunition to frontline areas, and are seeing diminishing effectiveness of mass strikes as they lose counterbattery radars and their guns suffer from barrel wear. [12] RUSI stated that Russian forces are attempting to increase the production of Krasnopol laser-guided shells and the use of Lancet drones (loitering munitions) in order to increase accuracy and reduce the number of munitions used in attacks.[13] RUSI also observed that Russian forces have often prepared their fighting positions for remote demolition with improvised explosives instead of striking their own positions with artillery after Russian forces have withdrawn, as Russian doctrine dictates.[14] These adaptations suggest that reduced Russian artillery capabilities may be further weakening the Russian defense in certain sectors as artillery fire is a critical component of the Russian elastic defense. A shift towards more precise fire doctrine may allow Russian forces to strengthen these capabilities, but constraints on Russian training capacity will likely prevent Russian forces from implementing this shift at scale in the near term. Russian sources have continually claimed since the start of the counteroffensive that the Russians lack sufficient counterbattery capabilities on various sectors of the front.[15] Estonian Defense Forces Intelligence Center Commander Colonel Margo Grosberg reported on September 1 that Ukrainian artillery capabilities are “equal or even better” than those of Russian forces and have been able to push Russian artillery units back from the frontline, preventing them from supporting Russian forces.[16] |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:58:24 PM EDT
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I’m not sure what this video’s about.It appears to be bad propaganda, but it’s so bad…it has to be a joke.
💥Artillerymen of the 205th brigade destroyed a warehouse with ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction‼️ As a result of the fire damage, the following were destroyed: shells for the 155-mm towed howitzer "M-777", self-propelled artillery mount M109A6 "Paladin", self-propelled howitzer "Krab" of foreign production, as well as rockets for the Grad MLRS and shells for the barrel artillery. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1120‘ |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:59:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:02:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/201300/0_tank-1_jpg-2942682.JPG Putting a highly mobile AA system on a fixed platform, what could possibly go wrong?  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Cypher15: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/201300/0_tank-1_jpg-2942682.JPG Putting a highly mobile AA system on a fixed platform, what could possibly go wrong? I really hope our big brain leaders have prepared for the coming drone onslaught when their multimillion and billion assets get hit by them. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:09:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: We (the US) tried to keep the USSR together at the time, because we were afraid of what might happen if they broke up. In 1991 the 3 leaders of Russia (Yeltsin), Belarus (Shushkevich) and Ukraine (Kravchuk) got together in a cabin in the Belovezh Forest in Belarus and decided to dissolve the USSR primarily to get rid of their boss, Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev. We sent billions to Russia from the IMF and elsewhere to keep their govt functioning, which it did (though not optimally). Then we did a few things to help them secure their nukes, including: 1. We took our nuclear weapons off our navy surface ships and off alert, which allowed Russia to do the same. 2. They allowed us to send our scientists from Los Alamos to their facilities to help make sure no one was stealing their plutonium. Neither would happen today under the current environment. They were not at war in 1992 and we had friendly relations. This is why, we could be revoking insurance on all vessals that ship Russian oil. We could be boarding vessals that ship Russian oil to "make sure everything is in order" just to slow them down. We could blockade ports. We could be sanctioning any company that ships Russian oil. We could set the price at half what it is. Finally, we could have the Ukrainians sabotage the complex network of oil pipelines going through Samara, Russia as the Chechnyans did. If we did any of that, then oil flow would back up all the way to the wells in Siberia, the well heads would freeze over due to permafrost as they did in the 90s, and it would take at least a decade (with Western help) to re-drill. Energy is 2/3rds of their economy. No, we haven't done any of this because anybody who knows anything about this in the government or elsewhere knows that we don't just destroy Russia to pump our fists in the air and yell "we win!" or because they are too antagonistic towards Ukraine and won't stop their attitude. No one gains anything from that. We want the oil flowing. And also we want to keep those kinds of options on the table in case Putin decides to blow up a nuclear power plant or use tactical nukes. That's what makes us better than Russia: they care about power and glory while we care about prosperity. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Originally Posted By planemaker: More arm-waving BS. First, The Soviet Union collapsed because the .gov couldn't pay their bills. Amazingly, all their nukes didn't suddenly show up in the middle east. Funny that. Second, 81% of Dims, 56% of GOP, 57% Independents support us arming ukraine and Even left-leaning orgs show polls in favor of more support to Ukraine We need to help Ukraine win militarily and help push Russia into being a failed nation-state that disintegrates into regional countries. This is precisely the model that we should be following, not some idiotic peacenik approach. We (the US) tried to keep the USSR together at the time, because we were afraid of what might happen if they broke up. In 1991 the 3 leaders of Russia (Yeltsin), Belarus (Shushkevich) and Ukraine (Kravchuk) got together in a cabin in the Belovezh Forest in Belarus and decided to dissolve the USSR primarily to get rid of their boss, Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev. We sent billions to Russia from the IMF and elsewhere to keep their govt functioning, which it did (though not optimally). Then we did a few things to help them secure their nukes, including: 1. We took our nuclear weapons off our navy surface ships and off alert, which allowed Russia to do the same. 2. They allowed us to send our scientists from Los Alamos to their facilities to help make sure no one was stealing their plutonium. Neither would happen today under the current environment. They were not at war in 1992 and we had friendly relations. This is why, we could be revoking insurance on all vessals that ship Russian oil. We could be boarding vessals that ship Russian oil to "make sure everything is in order" just to slow them down. We could blockade ports. We could be sanctioning any company that ships Russian oil. We could set the price at half what it is. Finally, we could have the Ukrainians sabotage the complex network of oil pipelines going through Samara, Russia as the Chechnyans did. If we did any of that, then oil flow would back up all the way to the wells in Siberia, the well heads would freeze over due to permafrost as they did in the 90s, and it would take at least a decade (with Western help) to re-drill. Energy is 2/3rds of their economy. No, we haven't done any of this because anybody who knows anything about this in the government or elsewhere knows that we don't just destroy Russia to pump our fists in the air and yell "we win!" or because they are too antagonistic towards Ukraine and won't stop their attitude. No one gains anything from that. We want the oil flowing. And also we want to keep those kinds of options on the table in case Putin decides to blow up a nuclear power plant or use tactical nukes. That's what makes us better than Russia: they care about power and glory while we care about prosperity. We most assuredly did *NOT* try to keep the Soviet Union together. "says Serhii Plokhy, a history professor at Harvard University". He's an imbecile. Bush, and Reagan before him specifically sought to implode the USSR. And, we were successful. Secondly, we never changed our nuclear posture until long after the Soviet Union collapsed. Third, we didn't help them secure their nukes other than what we were already doing as part of existing treaties. What we *DID* do was attempt to find gainful employment for some of their top scientists to prevent their knowledge from being sold to the highest bidder. I know this because I was personally asked if I could employ some PhDs from there. Their cost, at the time, was about $35k/yr or roughly 1/3 that of a contract engineer here in the states. Similar foolishness regarding blockading Russian ports. In case it hadn't crossed your mind, that *would* be considered an act of war. And, again, for the umpteenth time, *WE* don't set the price of oil. It is a global marketplace. We are moving right along in setting the conditions for Russia's self-destruction. 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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:13:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Everyone is more optimistic than me. I see a long slog ahead and a relatively short amount of time to make substantial gains.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7SivKp1ow8Samsies. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:40:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: yekimak]
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https://t.me/horevica/14488
First confirmed Challenger loss https://www.tiktok.com/@vlad_os832/video/7274946549635976453 |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:41:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:43:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By yekimak:
https://t.me/horevica/14488 First confirmed Challenger loss https://www.tiktok.com/@vlad_os832/video/7274946549635976453[/qu ote]Damn |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:59:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: Too bad, but the UK had over 400 and are down to 150. Makes me wonder if it is possible to refurb the out of service vehicles. My assumption is no. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:03:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thanosnap]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: We most assuredly did *NOT* try to keep the Soviet Union together. "says Serhii Plokhy, a history professor at Harvard University". He's an imbecile. Says Yale's Timothy Snyder here too: "Putin has no idea why the Soviet Union fell apart. His whole story of why the Soviet Union fell apart is utter nonsense. The story that they tell is that the Americans wanted it to happen and therefore it happened, which A, we’re not that powerful, and B - and I was there at the time - our policy in 1991 was to keep the Soviet Union together; it wasn’t to make it fall apart." -Snyder https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interview/timothy-snyder/ And I'm not saying we set the price of oil, that would be ridiculous. That's a global marketplace. Sorry if I didn't explain that well enough. I'm saying the set the price of Russian oil. Here's a quick explainer on what the coalition did: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/mrcbg/publications/awp/oilcap And here's geostrategist Peter Zeihan on it:  Russian Oil Price Cap: Lasting Impacts Now, in April the global price of oil went down to the lowest it has been since they started recording it in the 1980s. As global prices go up in the summer when people are driving more, some people are trying to get around the Russian oil price cap and maybe pay a little more for Russian oil, but it's a small and insignificant impact. Most buying are sticking to the cap price. In July Russia reported their oil revenues are down 47% from last year and that's Russia's number. As for blockades... no one would dare attack us over it except maybe China and we wouldn't need to blockade them. Our navy is strong enough we could easily stop all shipping of all Russian oil. Regardless of the financial pressure we could put on shippers of Russian oil. It's just not something we want to do. We want the oil flowing. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By yekimak: https://t.me/horevica/14488 First confirmed Challenger loss https://www.tiktok.com/@vlad_os832/video/7274946549635976453[/qu ote]Damn |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:06:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:06:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnspark: Was it the first burning tank or the more intact second one as he drove by? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnspark: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By yekimak: https://t.me/horevica/14488 First confirmed Challenger loss https://www.tiktok.com/@vlad_os832/video/7274946549635976453[/qu ote]Damn The first one, on fire. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:07:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnspark: Was it the first burning tank or the more intact second one as he drove by? |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: We (the US) tried to keep the USSR together at the time, because we were afraid of what might happen if they broke up. In 1991 the 3 leaders of Russia (Yeltsin), Belarus (Shushkevich) and Ukraine (Kravchuk) got together in a cabin in the Belovezh Forest in Belarus and decided to dissolve the USSR primarily to get rid of their boss, Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev. We sent billions to Russia from the IMF and elsewhere to keep their govt functioning, which it did (though not optimally). Then we did a few things to help them secure their nukes, including: 1. We took our nuclear weapons off our navy surface ships and off alert, which allowed Russia to do the same. 2. They allowed us to send our scientists from Los Alamos to their facilities to help make sure no one was stealing their plutonium. Neither would happen today under the current environment. They were not at war in 1992 and we had friendly relations. This is why, we could be revoking insurance on all vessals that ship Russian oil. We could be boarding vessals that ship Russian oil to "make sure everything is in order" just to slow them down. We could blockade ports. We could be sanctioning any company that ships Russian oil. We could set the price at half what it is. Finally, we could have the Ukrainians sabotage the complex network of oil pipelines going through Samara, Russia as the Chechnyans did. If we did any of that, then oil flow would back up all the way to the wells in Siberia, the well heads would freeze over due to permafrost as they did in the 90s, and it would take at least a decade (with Western help) to re-drill. Energy is 2/3rds of their economy. No, we haven't done any of this because anybody who knows anything about this in the government or elsewhere knows that we don't just destroy Russia to pump our fists in the air and yell "we win!" or because they are too antagonistic towards Ukraine and won't stop their attitude. No one gains anything from that. We want the oil flowing. And also we want to keep those kinds of options on the table in case Putin decides to blow up a nuclear power plant or use tactical nukes. That's what makes us better than Russia: they care about power and glory while we care about prosperity. What's this we shit? You got a mouse in your pocket? "We" in the real world want russia crippled. I want them so crippled that they all shit in a hole in their back yard, like half of them do now. We were overly nice to them during the break up, invited them to join the west and share in prosperity. They managed to fuck that up like they are fucking up now. They are savage assholes, and once they are broke, and the military neutered, they can play hunger games, town vs town. Maybe we can broadcast it, and promise them some money if it is truly entertaining, and welch on the deal like they do every fucking time they make a deal with the west. No the time to teach them pain and humiliation is now. Let those motherfuckers eat each other to stay alive. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyPFrCzBqqwLook at the piece of shrapnel this guy took!  |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:20:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: I’m not sure what this video’s about.It appears to be bad propaganda, but it’s so bad…it has to be a joke. 💥Artillerymen of the 205th brigade destroyed a warehouse with ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction‼️ As a result of the fire damage, the following were destroyed: shells for the 155-mm towed howitzer "M-777", self-propelled artillery mount M109A6 "Paladin", self-propelled howitzer "Krab" of foreign production, as well as rockets for the Grad MLRS and shells for the barrel artillery. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1120‘ Yeah, they bombed a transformer. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:22:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 2hrs ago.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:24:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Says Yale's Timothy Snyder here too: "Putin has no idea why the Soviet Union fell apart. His whole story of why the Soviet Union fell apart is utter nonsense. The story that they tell is that the Americans wanted it to happen and therefore it happened, which A, we’re not that powerful, and B - and I was there at the time - our policy in 1991 was to keep the Soviet Union together; it wasn’t to make it fall apart." -Snyder https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interview/timothy-snyder/ And I'm not saying we set the price of oil, that would be ridiculous. That's a global marketplace. I'm saying the set the price of Russian oil. Here's a quick explainer on what the coalition did: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/mrcbg/publications/awp/oilcap And here's Peter Zeihan on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w93XoP5g95oNow, in April the global price of oil went down to the lowest it has been since they started recording it in the 1980s. As prices go up in the summer when people are driving more, some people are trying to get around the Russian oil price cap and maybe pay a little more, but it's a small and insignificant impact on Russia. In July Russia reported their oil revenues are down 47% from last year. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Originally Posted By planemaker: We most assuredly did *NOT* try to keep the Soviet Union together. "says Serhii Plokhy, a history professor at Harvard University". He's an imbecile. Says Yale's Timothy Snyder here too: "Putin has no idea why the Soviet Union fell apart. His whole story of why the Soviet Union fell apart is utter nonsense. The story that they tell is that the Americans wanted it to happen and therefore it happened, which A, we’re not that powerful, and B - and I was there at the time - our policy in 1991 was to keep the Soviet Union together; it wasn’t to make it fall apart." -Snyder https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interview/timothy-snyder/ And I'm not saying we set the price of oil, that would be ridiculous. That's a global marketplace. I'm saying the set the price of Russian oil. Here's a quick explainer on what the coalition did: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/mrcbg/publications/awp/oilcap And here's Peter Zeihan on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w93XoP5g95oNow, in April the global price of oil went down to the lowest it has been since they started recording it in the 1980s. As prices go up in the summer when people are driving more, some people are trying to get around the Russian oil price cap and maybe pay a little more, but it's a small and insignificant impact on Russia. In July Russia reported their oil revenues are down 47% from last year. Snyder is the same kind of imbecile and he is dead wrong. The US embarked on a path to cause the Soviet Union to collapse under its own weight. Reagan was the primary proponent of the strategy. The fractures were already in place when Bush the elder took office, continued the policy, and the Soviet Union collapsed on his watch. For example, Columbia University says "Ronald Reagan shattered the illusions of détente by redefining the nature of the Cold War between the West and Soviet communism, and adopting a strategy that successfully exploited the vulnerabilities of the Soviet system. In the late 1970s, Reagan told Richard Allen, who would become his first National Security Adviser, that his long-term strategy for dealing with the Soviet Union was simple: we win, they lose. During the 1980 campaign, Reagan opined to Lou Cannon of the Washington Post that the Soviets lacked the economic wherewithal to compete in an all-out arms race with the West. After assuming office, Reagan proclaimed in April 1981 that the West "won't contain communism, it will transcend communism." And, also, before they went stupid, Heritage Foundation on how Reagan won the cold war "By the time Reagan left office in January 1989, the Reagan Doctrine had achieved its goal: Mikhail Gorbachev, the last leader of the Soviet system, publicly acknowledged the failures of Marxism-Leninism and the futility of Russian imperialism. In Margaret Thatcher’s words, Ronald Reagan had ended the Cold War without firing a shot." As I posted previously, your comment concerning the price of oil is fictitious. It wasn't a 30 year low back in April. Here's that handy link again: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil. Be sure to click on the 25Y chart to see the real numbers. Russia will collapse on its own because of its own stupidity. We just need to facilitate that happening as rapidly as possible. Ratcheting up the sanctions and providing longer range weapons, tanks, and aircraft to Ukraine are the two best methods for that facilitation. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Yeah, they bombed a transformer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By Prime: I’m not sure what this video’s about.It appears to be bad propaganda, but it’s so bad…it has to be a joke. 💥Artillerymen of the 205th brigade destroyed a warehouse with ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction‼️ As a result of the fire damage, the following were destroyed: shells for the 155-mm towed howitzer "M-777", self-propelled artillery mount M109A6 "Paladin", self-propelled howitzer "Krab" of foreign production, as well as rockets for the Grad MLRS and shells for the barrel artillery. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1120‘ Yeah, they bombed a transformer. Russian vodka must be way better or way worse than the swill I'm drinking tonight because even I can see that was an electrical thingy and not a warehouse. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:26:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MarineGrunt]
[#30]
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1698518761194602634?s=20
You guys see the new one? Ukraine was responsible for Jan 6 now. 
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:31:30 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarineGrunt: [tweet]https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1698518761194602634?s=20[/tweet] You guys see the new one? Ukraine was responsible for Jan 6 now. 
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:32:10 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarineGrunt: [tweet]https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1698518761194602634?s=20[/tweet] You guys see the new one? Ukraine was responsible for Jan 6 now. Is she an ivy league graduate? |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:33:12 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarineGrunt: https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1698518761194602634?s=20 You guys see the new one? Ukraine was responsible for Jan 6 now. Yeah when that popped up in my feed I literally laughed. But in reality it's not really funny. It's sick. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:34:35 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarineGrunt: https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1698518761194602634?s=20 You guys see the new one? Ukraine was responsible for Jan 6 now. What
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:36:30 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarineGrunt: https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1698518761194602634?s=20 You guys see the new one? Ukraine was responsible for Jan 6 now. Over the past couple of years, I've come to the conclusion that mental illness is far more prevalent than I previously thought. It also hasn't exactly been reassuring to realize that it's by no means limited to one side of the political spectrum. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:38:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thanosnap]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: In the late 1970s, Reagan told Richard Allen, who would become his first National Security Adviser, that his long-term strategy for dealing with the Soviet Union was simple: we win, they lose. During the 1980 campaign, Reagan opined to Lou Cannon of the Washington Post that the Soviets lacked the economic wherewithal to compete in an all-out arms race with the West. After assuming office, Reagan proclaimed in April 1981 that the West "won't contain communism, it will transcend communism." Yeah that may have been the policy before Gorbachev, in the 70s and early 80s when they were more hostile. But we liked Gorbachev and his liberal reforms, and there's enough evidence to show in the end we tried to keep it together. Like Snyder said "our policy in 1991 was to keep the Soviet Union together." And that's the relevant part of this conversation... if you want to say "The Soviet Union collapsed because the .gov couldn't pay their bills. Amazingly, all their nukes didn't suddenly show up in the middle east" I'll push back and say in the end that's not what we wanted because we were very worried about that. And there was a lot of money sent to keep the Russian govt going, and a lot cooperation together to make sure that loose nukes didn't happen and that cooperation wouldn't happen today. This is a very corrupt country. We've had the same worries with Pakistan at times - despite Pakistan being less than fully helpful to our war on terror, the collapse of their govt was a bigger concern |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:39:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: Over the past couple of years, I've come to the conclusion that mental illness is far more prevalent than I previously thought. It also hasn't exactly been reassuring to realize that it's by no means limited to one side of the political spectrum. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: Originally Posted By MarineGrunt: https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1698518761194602634?s=20 You guys see the new one? Ukraine was responsible for Jan 6 now. Over the past couple of years, I've come to the conclusion that mental illness is far more prevalent than I previously thought. It also hasn't exactly been reassuring to realize that it's by no means limited to one side of the political spectrum. Propagandists are not mentally ill. They know exactly what they are doing. They know why they're doing it. Hell they're getting paid for it. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:45:14 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Yeah that may have been the policy before Gorbachev, in the 70s and early 80s when they were more hostile. But we liked Gorbachev and his liberal reforms, and there's enough evidence to show in the end we tried to keep it together. Like Snyder said "our policy in 1991 was to keep the Soviet Union together." And that's the relevant part of this conversation... if you want to say "The Soviet Union collapsed because the .gov couldn't pay their bills. Amazingly, all their nukes didn't suddenly show up in the middle east" I'll push back and say in the end that's not what we wanted because we were very worried about that. And there was a lot of money sent to keep the govt going, and a lot cooperation together to make sure that loose nukes didn't happen that cooperation wouldn't happen today. This is a very corrupt country.  Attached FileYou keep looking less credible every time you make this argument. Reagan made all the intellectuals who said the Soviets couldn't be defeated and that he was going to start a nuclear war by trying, look really really stupid. The ivy league idiots have been trying to revise history ever since. You don't put a nation on the "ash heap of history" by keeping it intact. Snyder WAS NOT SETTING POLICY. He was a cog in the machine and is simply giving his opinion in that interview. A wrong opinion |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:48:10 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: I’m not sure what this video’s about.It appears to be bad propaganda, but it’s so bad…it has to be a joke. 💥Artillerymen of the 205th brigade destroyed a warehouse with ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction‼️ As a result of the fire damage, the following were destroyed: shells for the 155-mm towed howitzer "M-777", self-propelled artillery mount M109A6 "Paladin", self-propelled howitzer "Krab" of foreign production, as well as rockets for the Grad MLRS and shells for the barrel artillery. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1120‘ An electrical transformer, looks like he loaded wrong video lol |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:51:57 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Yeah that may have been the policy before Gorbachev, in the 70s and early 80s when they were more hostile. But we liked Gorbachev and his liberal reforms, and there's enough evidence to show in the end we tried to keep it together. Like Snyder said "our policy in 1991 was to keep the Soviet Union together." And that's the relevant part of this conversation... if you want to say "The Soviet Union collapsed because the .gov couldn't pay their bills. Amazingly, all their nukes didn't suddenly show up in the middle east" I'll push back and say in the end that's not what we wanted because we were very worried about that. And there was a lot of money sent to keep the govt going, and a lot cooperation together to make sure that loose nukes didn't happen and that cooperation wouldn't happen today. This is a very corrupt country. We've had the same worries with Pakistan at times. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Originally Posted By planemaker: In the late 1970s, Reagan told Richard Allen, who would become his first National Security Adviser, that his long-term strategy for dealing with the Soviet Union was simple: we win, they lose. During the 1980 campaign, Reagan opined to Lou Cannon of the Washington Post that the Soviets lacked the economic wherewithal to compete in an all-out arms race with the West. After assuming office, Reagan proclaimed in April 1981 that the West "won't contain communism, it will transcend communism." Yeah that may have been the policy before Gorbachev, in the 70s and early 80s when they were more hostile. But we liked Gorbachev and his liberal reforms, and there's enough evidence to show in the end we tried to keep it together. Like Snyder said "our policy in 1991 was to keep the Soviet Union together." And that's the relevant part of this conversation... if you want to say "The Soviet Union collapsed because the .gov couldn't pay their bills. Amazingly, all their nukes didn't suddenly show up in the middle east" I'll push back and say in the end that's not what we wanted because we were very worried about that. And there was a lot of money sent to keep the govt going, and a lot cooperation together to make sure that loose nukes didn't happen and that cooperation wouldn't happen today. This is a very corrupt country. We've had the same worries with Pakistan at times. In case you were wondering, Reagan's classic line of "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" was while he was still President in 1987, ie, late 80s. And, the policy to destroy the Soviet Union was still in place until it collapsed in 1991. So, no, we didn't try to keep the Soviet Union together. Ever. In fact, we took great pains to cause its downfall. And, that's precisely what we wanted and it worked out swimmingly. There wasn't a lot of money sent to keep their .gov going because we didn't want their .gov to stay intact. Your knowledge of history is not very good. And, it's the same lack of knowledge that causes some of the idiocy we see today. The only discussion that's relevant today is how quickly and how best to facilitate the collapse of Russia. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:52:00 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Propagandists are not mentally ill. They know exactly what they are doing. They know why they're doing it. Hell they're getting paid for it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: Originally Posted By MarineGrunt: https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1698518761194602634?s=20 You guys see the new one? Ukraine was responsible for Jan 6 now. Over the past couple of years, I've come to the conclusion that mental illness is far more prevalent than I previously thought. It also hasn't exactly been reassuring to realize that it's by no means limited to one side of the political spectrum. Propagandists are not mentally ill. They know exactly what they are doing. They know why they're doing it. Hell they're getting paid for it. That's fair, but the people who lap this stuff up have completely lost their grip on reality, if they ever had one in the first place. If you've been to a few gun shows or just talked with enough people at the range, you probably know that there's always been an element of the right that's been off of its meds. However, up until recently, that element was mostly fringe and you could generally say that the right was more rational than the left. I don't think you can say that anymore. But, I don't mean to derail the thread any further with my whining about domestic American politics, so I'll leave it at that. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:52:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: https://t.me/horevica/14488 First confirmed Challenger loss https://www.tiktok.com/@vlad_os832/video/7274946549635976453 Damn looks like those boys got hit hard there. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:57:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thanosnap]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif Reagan made all the intellectuals who said the Soviets couldn't be defeated and that he was going to start a nuclear war by trying, look really really stupid. The ivy league idiots have been trying to revise history ever since. Well, the collapse happened under the elder Bush, who was Raegan's VP, and much of the same administration. And at the time they were like "oh crap, what about the nukes! They need to stay together." That's undeniable. Sorry if that makes me look like an idiot but its the truth. And today Russia just isn't that important that we should destroy them and need to worry about loose nukes or people (not just in Russia but around the world) unable to feed themselves or put gas in their car or fertilizer on their crops. There might have been a time in the 70s when they were. And "tear down that wall" was about ending the occupation and reuniting East/West Germany. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:58:11 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: I’m not sure what this video’s about.It appears to be bad propaganda, but it’s so bad…it has to be a joke. 💥Artillerymen of the 205th brigade destroyed a warehouse with ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction‼️ As a result of the fire damage, the following were destroyed: shells for the 155-mm towed howitzer "M-777", self-propelled artillery mount M109A6 "Paladin", self-propelled howitzer "Krab" of foreign production, as well as rockets for the Grad MLRS and shells for the barrel artillery. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1120‘ That account is not associated with the real 205th Bde. I believe it is run by a Ukrainian. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 10:58:14 PM EDT
[#45]
Whatever happened to the reports of Challenger 1s heading to Ukraine?
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2023 11:04:45 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Damn looks like those boys got hit hard there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By yekimak: https://t.me/horevica/14488 First confirmed Challenger loss https://www.tiktok.com/@vlad_os832/video/7274946549635976453 Damn looks like those boys got hit hard there. Hit a mine/fpv drone and then probably hit with artillery Probably going to see a.lot of Abrams burning down in the fall/winter as they plunge deeper. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 11:05:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Well, the collapse happened under the elder Bush, who was Raegan's VP, and much of the same administration. And at the time they were like "oh crap, what about the nukes! They need to stay together." That's undeniable. Sorry if that makes me look like an idiot but its the truth. And today Russia just isn't that important that we should destroy them and need to worry about loose nukes or people (not just in Russia but around the world) unable to feed themselves or put gas in their car. Fuck that. They need to be fucked so bad that the populace looks at N. korea with jealousy. There is absolutely nothing redeeming about russia. They most likely have not maintained their nukes properly, and they pulled all the experienced troops away from them to add to the meat cubes. Any engineer or scientist with any sense was one of the millions who bolted when they started this clusterfuck. The latest rocket they, with great fanfare, put on alert has a 50% chance of exploding on the launch pad. Only a fucking retard would want them to stay solvent in any form. This is the chance to finish them off, and let the outlying areas head to moscow for payback. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 11:13:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarineGrunt: https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1698518761194602634?s=20 You guys see the new one? Ukraine was responsible for Jan 6 now. Laura Loomer is a certifiable nutcase. Unfortunately, she has someone's ear...   Attached File |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 11:14:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thanosnap]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Fuck that. They need to be fucked so bad that the populace looks at N. korea with jealousy. ... This is the chance to finish them off, and let the outlying areas head to moscow for payback. Well, aside from the loose nukes possibility this is the main problem. Here's global oil output:  Here's global wheat production. A lot of people eat bread or feed livestock with wheat:  Here's global fertilizer producers:  What then happens to the economy? Russia feeds and powers much of the world. We can produce for ourselves because we are a top producer, but our economy is so globalized... Even if nukes aren't lost, how many people die just because we don't like the Russian government? How many people have their quality of life reduced? |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 11:20:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Well, aside from the loose nukes possibility this is the main problem. Here's global oil output: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16274.jpeg Here's global wheat production. A lot of people eat bread or feed livestock with wheat: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Valentina-Mereu/publication/277007923/figure/fig1/AS:749503481118721@1555706963235/List-of-the-largest-wheat-producing-countries-FAOStat-2011.png Here's global fertilizer producers: https://www.fas.usda.gov/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg/public/media/images/2022-06/fertilizer-IATR-2.png?itok=ojlaD6o7 What then happens to the economy? Russia feeds and powers much of the world. We can produce for ourselves because we are a top producer, but our economy is so globalized... Even if nukes aren't lost, how many people die just because we don't like the Russian government? How many people have their quality of life reduced? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Fuck that. They need to be fucked so bad that the populace looks at N. korea with jealousy. ... This is the chance to finish them off, and let the outlying areas head to moscow for payback. Well, aside from the loose nukes possibility this is the main problem. Here's global oil output: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16274.jpeg Here's global wheat production. A lot of people eat bread or feed livestock with wheat: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Valentina-Mereu/publication/277007923/figure/fig1/AS:749503481118721@1555706963235/List-of-the-largest-wheat-producing-countries-FAOStat-2011.png Here's global fertilizer producers: https://www.fas.usda.gov/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg/public/media/images/2022-06/fertilizer-IATR-2.png?itok=ojlaD6o7 What then happens to the economy? Russia feeds and powers much of the world. We can produce for ourselves because we are a top producer, but our economy is so globalized... Even if nukes aren't lost, how many people die just because we don't like the Russian government? How many people have their quality of life reduced? Russia does all that stuff because of our tech. We pulled that plug and it will stay out for awhile. |
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