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Posted: 9/5/2023 9:38:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: You haven't actually watched Tucker Carlson, Scott Ritter, Douglas MacGregor and other Russia sympathizers then. They're saying Russia is outkilling Ukraine 7 to 1 or 10 to 1, that they're crushing Ukraine, Ukrainians are Nazis who deserve it, that Ukraine is running out of soldiers and Biden has gotten us into a mess because our soldiers will be next, and that the dollar is collapsing because of angry Russians and their supporters, BRICS is the new empire, and this is the end of America as we know it. Any objective person knows that's all not true. This is not just a military war. Through the G7, EU, IMF, World Bank etc we control 2/3rds of the world economy. Russia controls 1%. We control the banks, insurance companies, shipping lanes and so forth. We control the price of Russian oil. No one in geopolitics doubts doubts we could destroy Russia with a stroke of a pen. But no matter how much we dislike their current government, they still need to be able to govern themselves. The fact that if the Russian government cannot pay their bills and shuts their doors their 6,000 nukes are unsecure alone makes destroying Russia a nonstarter, let alone the hit to the global economy and humanitarian disaster. So we've decided not to lower the oil price cap and we're at about a level 7 out of 10 sanctions.. Putin says he had to invade Ukraine because the West wants to destroy Russia and Ukraine being neutral is key to his security. People like you prove his point. But that's not what we're trying to do here. We've achieved our objective. Russia cannot threaten the West anymore, not in Putin's lifetime. And most Americans (55%) have stopped supporting aid to Ukraine. So it doesn't make you a Russian sympathizer to say give peace a try when the window for it opens; it makes you a moderate and is actually what the majority thinks right now. You're the extremist, not me. I mean, due to budget constraints Russia put all their most modern equipment and elite soldiers into the 1st Guards Tank Army. They were the ones that were supposed to fight NATO if we ever went toe-to-toe. The 1st Guards was decimated. They're pulling museum era T-55 tanks out of storage. We cannot weaken them much more than we already have. The only viable replacements to Putin are hardliner strongmen worse than him. Sooner or later Congress will stop sending the money or maybe Zelensky gets assassinated or maybe the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant gets blown up, and nobody knows how this plays out then. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Originally Posted By RockNwood: We disagree obviously. Crimea is not a part of Ukraine ✅ US has no obligation to Ukraine and should butt out ✅ The world needs a strong Russia ✅ Yes, these talking points are very familiar from RT, Orban and Tucker. You haven't actually watched Tucker Carlson, Scott Ritter, Douglas MacGregor and other Russia sympathizers then. They're saying Russia is outkilling Ukraine 7 to 1 or 10 to 1, that they're crushing Ukraine, Ukrainians are Nazis who deserve it, that Ukraine is running out of soldiers and Biden has gotten us into a mess because our soldiers will be next, and that the dollar is collapsing because of angry Russians and their supporters, BRICS is the new empire, and this is the end of America as we know it. Any objective person knows that's all not true. This is not just a military war. Through the G7, EU, IMF, World Bank etc we control 2/3rds of the world economy. Russia controls 1%. We control the banks, insurance companies, shipping lanes and so forth. We control the price of Russian oil. No one in geopolitics doubts doubts we could destroy Russia with a stroke of a pen. But no matter how much we dislike their current government, they still need to be able to govern themselves. The fact that if the Russian government cannot pay their bills and shuts their doors their 6,000 nukes are unsecure alone makes destroying Russia a nonstarter, let alone the hit to the global economy and humanitarian disaster. So we've decided not to lower the oil price cap and we're at about a level 7 out of 10 sanctions.. Putin says he had to invade Ukraine because the West wants to destroy Russia and Ukraine being neutral is key to his security. People like you prove his point. But that's not what we're trying to do here. We've achieved our objective. Russia cannot threaten the West anymore, not in Putin's lifetime. And most Americans (55%) have stopped supporting aid to Ukraine. So it doesn't make you a Russian sympathizer to say give peace a try when the window for it opens; it makes you a moderate and is actually what the majority thinks right now. You're the extremist, not me. I mean, due to budget constraints Russia put all their most modern equipment and elite soldiers into the 1st Guards Tank Army. They were the ones that were supposed to fight NATO if we ever went toe-to-toe. The 1st Guards was decimated. They're pulling museum era T-55 tanks out of storage. We cannot weaken them much more than we already have. The only viable replacements to Putin are hardliner strongmen worse than him. Sooner or later Congress will stop sending the money or maybe Zelensky gets assassinated or maybe the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant gets blown up, and nobody knows how this plays out then. Was this post intended to convince us that you're NOT promulgating pro-Russia sentiment?  "Don't hurt Russia anymore, they've been hurt enough already," is going to fall on deaf ears until and unless every single Russian military and FSB asset is out of Ukraine, to include Crimea and of course all of the East. Anything else comes off as crocodile tears. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 9:41:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: If there is ONE person on this earth to NOT take advice from it would be Henry Kissinger. He is the cause of many ills in the world. Keep in mind that when this started we were preparing Ukraine to get occupied and have an insurgency guerilla war. The fact that they have a country is a blessing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/05/russia-ukraine-insurgency/ |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 9:41:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2023 9:44:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2023 9:47:05 AM EDT
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If accurate, these ain’t mobilized Buryats.
Post mortem photos at link, but they don’t really prove anything and it’s unnecessary.  Link to video of discovery  Egorov Vitaly Sergeevich 3) 04.10.1996 4) Maykop Republic of Adygea 5) 7 DShD 108 regiment. 6) contractor 6) Between Rabotino-Verbove 7) lion tattoo on the right hand. 8) 89880820759
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Posted: 9/5/2023 9:53:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2023 9:55:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Still throwin’ up donuts. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 9:58:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Still throwin’ up donuts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Still throwin’ up donuts. And single rounds at a time.  I want to see 3 or 4 tubes firing at the same time the DPICM to cover an area all at once. Then move to the next target. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:03:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: After the invasion it went to about 120 rubles to the dollar, later stabilized to 60, and now is about 100. But I'm talking worthless... no government, it's worth absolutely zero. How is the fertilizer plant going to pay employees? How will farmers buy seed? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Originally Posted By planemaker: In case you hadn't noticed, the ruble is *already* worthless. Much like it became worthless when the former Soviet Union collapsed. We don't need or want to send them diddly squat. They chose to sow this path. We need to facilitate their collapse so they reap the whirlwind. After the invasion it went to about 120 rubles to the dollar, later stabilized to 60, and now is about 100. But I'm talking worthless... no government, it's worth absolutely zero. How is the fertilizer plant going to pay employees? How will farmers buy seed? The same way they did when the Soviet Union collapsed. Barter economy until a new economy can be organized. This isn't rocket science. And even if it was, they actually have a few left. At least the ones that weren't fed poisonous mushrooms. 
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:04:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Keep in mind that when this started we were preparing Ukraine to get occupied and have an insurgency guerilla war. The fact that they have a country is a blessing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/05/russia-ukraine-insurgency/ That is the problem with letting ivy league retards run shit. Living a life of privilege does not give you any sense of the real world of suffering and hatred that burns in people who have been subjugated by those sub humans. It's all an academic exercise to them, a fucking game of power and influence. There is a reason when shit goes sideways the first against the wall are politicians, lawyers, and academics. In today's world you can include the media.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:06:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: So I guess last week wasn't the big offensive breakthrough they were hoping for? That sucks. I read it's still in play. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:07:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: We would be talking about doubling our oil production, or at least up by 50% if Russia still produces in non-permafrost areas and OPEC increases output. It's just not possible. According to your numbers Russia exports 119 billion barrels. We export 112. Yeah, they're a poor country. But we need their resources to keep flowing. Much more than we need them destroyed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Are you kidding? We can pump enough to drop the price below what they can extract it for if we had the will to do it. We would be talking about doubling our oil production, or at least up by 50% if Russia still produces in non-permafrost areas and OPEC increases output. It's just not possible. According to your numbers Russia exports 119 billion barrels. We export 112. Yeah, they're a poor country. But we need their resources to keep flowing. Much more than we need them destroyed. This is incorrect. As has been shown, Russia is a bit player in every marketplace. The other countries that produce similar products would need only to scale up their production by less than 10% to replace all of Russian exports going to literally zero. You need to wrap your head around how insignificant Russia's exports are and how easily they can be replaced by the rest of the world. The world needs them *GONE* far more than they need anything they export. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:10:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By merick: He did it by bosting the debt pushing debt/gdp from 30% to 50%. If you want to try that trick again keep in mind today our debt/gdp is 120%. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By merick: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: ... RONALD FREAKING REAGAN DID!! ... He did it by bosting the debt pushing debt/gdp from 30% to 50%. If you want to try that trick again keep in mind today our debt/gdp is 120%. No, he did it by out producing the Soviets across the board and specifically out innovating defense systems that the Soviets could not hope to keep up with because of their command-driven communist authoritarianism that specifically punishes innovation. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:12:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:13:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Saltwater-Hillbilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: If there is ONE person on this earth to NOT take advice from it would be Henry Kissinger. He is the cause of many ills in the world. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: Originally Posted By thanosnap: Originally Posted By Logcutter: Um, no. Serious question: is there ANYTHING Russia could do that would make you think they needed to be crushed completely and totally. Be specific. It's not me. It's Jake Sullivan, it's Condoleeza Rice, it's James Baker, it's Thomas Graham, it's Kissinger and Kotkin and George Kennan. All our best minds on it. The only reason you would want to completely and totally crush them is if they threatened to do that to us. There was a time when they did, but not anymore. It's been 40 years since they were anything but an ant under our boot. They can be contained. Henry Kissinger: To Settle the Ukraine Crisis, Start at the End http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html If there is ONE person on this earth to NOT take advice from it would be Henry Kissinger. He is the cause of many ills in the world. While many of those folks (minus Jake Sullivan, who is the living definition of a "post turtle") did some cool things back in the day, the circumstances in which they operated were very different. "Past performance is no guarantee of future success" and all that. One can easily make the argument that the American government/diplomatic paradigm of "Winning the War and Losing the Peace" dates back to FDR's embrace of the Soviet Union in the closing days of WWII and his unrealistic academic view of world leaders operating in the best interest of their nations (with our "best interests" being excessively skewed towards economics and material comfort over all other factors) and the world order operating in general in a rational and predictable fashion. This has demonstrably been a fundamental flaw in US Foreign Policy since the Wilson Administration. Ironically, in this construct, American foreign policy "Realists" are among the most gullible in this regard, with the "Doves" barely being any better in that they, on rare occasions, will admit they were wrong 20 or so years after the fact. The real answer may be that the paradigm by which we conduct foreign policy is overly moralistic (as opposed to moral) and fundamentally flawed. To expect the current and past managerial class in charge of our foreign policy to magically identify there are fundamental flaws in how we conduct foreign policy and in their worldview, or adapt rapidly to changes in the world order, or even actually state those out loud, is a tall order to say the least. For one thing, many of the past successes they were noted for may be reassessed as at best "the blind squirrel finding an occasional nut", and at worst (especially in the case of Kissinger) immoral, unethical, dishonorable, and counter to long-term US interests. The After Action Review is a military development, and I am not aware of any similar tool used at the national and strategic level on a regular basis to identify fundamental flaws and weaknesses across the intelligence and diplomatic spheres. Instead, a lot of stuff gets over-classified and/or buried to avoid FOIA request until the principals behind the policies are either comfortably close to retirement from their academic/institutional follow-on gigs or long retired from anything and crapping in their Depends if not safely taking their inevitable dirt nap. 
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:13:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: No, he did it by out producing the Soviets across the board and specifically out innovating defense systems that the Soviets could not hope to keep up with because of their command-driven communist authoritarianism that specifically punishes innovation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By merick: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: ... RONALD FREAKING REAGAN DID!! ... He did it by bosting the debt pushing debt/gdp from 30% to 50%. If you want to try that trick again keep in mind today our debt/gdp is 120%. No, he did it by out producing the Soviets across the board and specifically out innovating defense systems that the Soviets could not hope to keep up with because of their command-driven communist authoritarianism that specifically punishes innovation. And don't forget all the American jobs provided by that big defense industry and military boost, that might have had something to do with pulling us out of the Carter recession. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:16:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:17:09 AM EDT
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 Ukraine Counteroffensive GETS WORSE as Russian Reinforcements Arrive |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:20:50 AM EDT
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Quote Historylol, the above is the kind of stuff that tells me journalism is dead. 10 minutes ago.
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:21:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: It's not me. It's Jake Sullivan, it's Condoleeza Rice, it's James Baker, it's Thomas Graham, it's Kissinger and Kotkin and George Kennan. All our best minds on it. The only reason you would want to completely and totally crush them is if they threatened to do that to us. There was a time when they did, but not anymore. It's been 40 years since they were anything but an ant under our boot. They can be contained. Henry Kissinger: To Settle the Ukraine Crisis, Start at the End http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html Did you read that article? Time has proven false or unobtainable the principles Kissinger set out. That column was written one week after Russians started the invasion of Crimea and two weeks prior to the annexation. I think your point is that we should be looking for ways to accommodate Russia. Again, there is no basis to believe anything positive could be achieved by that. By all means, make an argument that lays out a case for such, but give it some substance. Russia has demonstrated that they only respond to force. The way to handle Russia is following the Reagan model: don't fight them, but collapse them. That's what military aid to Ukraine accomplishes. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:24:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: It's not me. It's Jake Sullivan, it's Condoleeza Rice, it's James Baker, it's Thomas Graham, it's Kissinger and Kotkin and George Kennan. All our best minds on it. The only reason you would want to completely and totally crush them is if they threatened to do that to us. There was a time when they did, but not anymore. It's been 40 years since they were anything but an ant under our boot. They can be contained. Henry Kissinger: To Settle the Ukraine Crisis, Start at the End http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: Originally Posted By Logcutter: Um, no. Serious question: is there ANYTHING Russia could do that would make you think they needed to be crushed completely and totally. Be specific. It's not me. It's Jake Sullivan, it's Condoleeza Rice, it's James Baker, it's Thomas Graham, it's Kissinger and Kotkin and George Kennan. All our best minds on it. The only reason you would want to completely and totally crush them is if they threatened to do that to us. There was a time when they did, but not anymore. It's been 40 years since they were anything but an ant under our boot. They can be contained. Henry Kissinger: To Settle the Ukraine Crisis, Start at the End http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html I wasn't going to respond to this but decided to. Kissinger has been one of the most bungling, inept, consistently wrong on foreign policy "wonk" ever in the history of foreign policy wonks. Anyone who quotes him as some kind of expert needs to truly re-evaluate their critical thinking skills. Precisely *NONE* of the people in your list even remotely qualifies as "our best minds". Wow. We don't want them contained, we want them *GONE* so they can never threaten their neighbors or project power and instability anywhere in the world ever again. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:24:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Blue dots are geolocated Ukrainian forces from other footage.  
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:25:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:26:42 AM EDT
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Arguing with a troll does not earn you any street cred
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:31:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: No, he did it by out producing the Soviets across the board and specifically out innovating defense systems that the Soviets could not hope to keep up with because of their command-driven communist authoritarianism that specifically punishes innovation. That, and every dollar that makes it to the actual intended purpose, 6 dollars are going into corrupt pockets.
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:45:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: That, and every dollar that makes it to the actual intended purpose, 6 dollars are going into corrupt pockets. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By planemaker: No, he did it by out producing the Soviets across the board and specifically out innovating defense systems that the Soviets could not hope to keep up with because of their command-driven communist authoritarianism that specifically punishes innovation. That, and every dollar that makes it to the actual intended purpose, 6 dollars are going into corrupt pockets. How much is a 1980 dollar worth in 2023? |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:48:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: So I guess last week wasn't the big offensive breakthrough they were hoping for? That sucks. I read it's still in play. [/qu ote] Here is how I see it. Ukraine has gotten through one part of the first big line of defense. They still have one or two parts of that one line to break. Then all of that has to be cleared. This is not a easy task but not impossible either. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:49:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Do you understand that private businesses can still produce goods if a government collapses, especially when the goods are extraction and agriculture? Nobody needs the Russian government, most especially Russians. The best thing in the world would be for Putin, all his cronies, the siloviki, and the entire FSB to be lynched or shot wherever they are found (or poisoned, drowned, or thrown from windows). The world needs a new Russia that is willing to trade peacefully with its neighbors, not genocide them. Stop defending authoritarianism by saying it's too disruptive or risky to eliminate it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By thanosnap: Well, aside from the loose nukes possibility this is the main problem. Here's global oil output: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16274.jpeg Here's global wheat production. A lot of people eat bread or feed livestock with wheat: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Valentina-Mereu/publication/277007923/figure/fig1/AS:749503481118721@1555706963235/List-of-the-largest-wheat-producing-countries-FAOStat-2011.png Here's global fertilizer producers: https://www.fas.usda.gov/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg/public/media/images/2022-06/fertilizer-IATR-2.png?itok=ojlaD6o7 What then happens to the economy? Russia feeds and powers much of the world. We can produce for ourselves because we are a top producer, but our economy is so globalized... Even if nukes aren't lost, how many people die just because we don't like the Russian government? How many people have their quality of life reduced? Do you understand that private businesses can still produce goods if a government collapses, especially when the goods are extraction and agriculture? Nobody needs the Russian government, most especially Russians. The best thing in the world would be for Putin, all his cronies, the siloviki, and the entire FSB to be lynched or shot wherever they are found (or poisoned, drowned, or thrown from windows). The world needs a new Russia that is willing to trade peacefully with its neighbors, not genocide them. Stop defending authoritarianism by saying it's too disruptive or risky to eliminate it. Great comment! |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:49:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By merick: How much is a 1980 dollar worth in 2023? 4 rubles. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:51:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:52:05 AM EDT
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Challenge met:
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:52:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI hate the "question the messenger" challenge, but when a patterns is obvious one would be remiss to ignore it. Feels more like clickbait than something nefarious but who knows. https://www.youtube.com/@historylegends Ukraine Counteroffensive GETS WORSE as Russian Reinforcements Arrive Ukraine Sacrifices LAST Reserves on a TINY Village Major Russian OFFENSIVE on Strategic KUPYANSK Russia Launched Surprise OFFENSIVE in Luhansk Ukraine’s Summer Offensive Ends in DISASTER How Russia STOPPED Ukraine's Counteroffensive Multiple Ukrainian Tank Columns ANNIHILATED |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:55:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thanosnap: It's not me. It's Jake Sullivan, it's Condoleeza Rice, it's James Baker, it's Thomas Graham, it's Kissinger and Kotkin and George Kennan. All our best minds on it. The only reason you would want to completely and totally crush them is if they threatened to do that to us. There was a time when they did, but not anymore. It's been 40 years since they were anything but an ant under our boot. They can be contained. Henry Kissinger: To Settle the Ukraine Crisis, Start at the End http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html And these "best" minds, these policy wonks are the reason we have the present issue with a resurgent Russia. Containing Russia doesn't do a damn thing for Ukraine. Russia will still be pressing against the borders attempting to gain an advantage. Until Russia as a whole recognizes Ukraine's right to exist as a sovereign state this conflict will continue. And Russia will not do that until they are crushed to the point of realizing their mental image of themselves as the all powerful bear is nothing but a fairy tale. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:55:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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This. They are being checked and refurbished, we aren't sending our latest models. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:01:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis dood strikes me as the Skip Bayless of the Ukrainian war. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:07:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowMexican: Challenge met: https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1698874142957752322?s=20 https://voxday.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/image-1.png Counterpoint. The 82nd has been in the middle of the Robotyne push for WEEKS.  This is from a week ago, and as Ukrainian control of this area has expanded, they’ve likely been recovered.
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:22:14 AM EDT
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/intercepted-phone-calls-reveal-russian-frontline-troops-complaining-heavy-losses-poor-supplies
Intercepted phone calls reveal Russian frontline troops complaining of heavy losses, poor supplies Ukraine's months-long counteroffensive has ground against Russian defenses Ukraine has intercepted more than a dozen phone calls from Russian front line troops complaining of heavy losses and a lack of critical supplies since July. The 17 phone calls, shared by Ukrainian intelligence services, show Russian troops speaking with family members and railing against Russia's war effort. The timeline of the calls matched Ukraine's ongoing counteroffensive against Russian forces, which has only recently begun gaining major ground. "They are f---ing us up," one soldier, Andrey, told his wife on July 12, according to Reuters. "No f---ing ammunition, nothing.... Shall we use our fingers as bayonets?" "We're like beggars. It's like 1941 with one rifle between five soldiers. Nothing's changed," he added. Another soldier, Maxim, said Russian leadership had turned his battalion into "crumbs" with poorly planned attacks against Ukrainian forces. "That's it. There is no second battalion left. They f---ing turned it to crumbs," he told his wife on July 3. Another soldier, Alexei, described the grim reality of Russian troops being unable to recover their dead. "They were torn apart. They're lying there: they can't even collect some of them. They're already rotten eaten by worms," he told his mother on July 12. "Really?" she replied. "Just imagine, thrown on the front line with no equipment, nothing," her son continued. The phone calls offer a glimpse into the morale of Russian forces whose efforts to curtail Ukrainian counteroffensives have been mostly successful in recent months. The cost of keeping Ukrainian forces at bay has been steep, however. Ukraine dismissed its defense minister, Oleksiy Reznikov, on Monday after months of slow progress. Nevertheless, Ukrainian forces made their first significant gains of their campaign earlier this week, punching through Russia's first line of defense in Southern Ukraine. "Little by little, I think we're gaining momentum," Ukrainian defense official Yuriy Sak told the BBC. Russian forces also faced a dramatic summer due to the brief rebellion by the Wagner mercenary group. The group's former head, Yevgeny Prigozhin, launched his mutiny against Russian President Vladimir Putin in late June, and Putin responded by withdrawing all mercenaries from the war in Ukraine. That move, however, may have exacerbated the supply issues Russian troops were already facing. "Everyone's scared.... They're sending mobilized troops to the front line," Alexei said to his mother. "In the end, the generals couldn't care less." |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:25:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 38 artillery systems, seems Russia is trying to plug that hole Ukrainian forces made near Verbove. Russians fall for the trap and get smacked by long range and accurate counterbattery in exchange. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By yekimak: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66660/IMG_20230905_023608_512_jpg-2943382.JPG 38 artillery systems, seems Russia is trying to plug that hole Ukrainian forces made near Verbove. Russians fall for the trap and get smacked by long range and accurate counterbattery in exchange. Yeah Russians seem to be getting outranged regularly. Their artillery is still working but they are losing a lot every day. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:27:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Thanks for putting in the time to get these all on the thread Prime, that is a lot of work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5NwhhBWUAARQpK?format=jpg&name=large
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Thanks for putting in the time to get these all on the thread Prime, that is a lot of work. Yes, much appreciated. Lots of good context to some actions posted of just video and some I haven’t heard of yet. Great update! |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:33:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis guy's hair is on fire. Geeze. 1 challenger lost and Ukraine is going to surrender. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:38:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:42:22 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryPro-Russian Serbian from Canada.............not propaganda at all. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:45:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Impressive how few shells are needed with drone observation and GPS. Instead of 3-4 to correct for range and azimuth they are immediately effective and needing extremely minor adjustment. Certainly the future of all artillery. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:46:42 AM EDT
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I would like to call out Prime, and thank him for all the hard work he is putting in this thread. I am going to cut back on thread drifting so the information is not so cluttered.
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:47:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Impressive how few shells are needed with drone observation and GPS. Instead of 3-4 to correct for range and azimuth they are immediately effective and needing extremely minor adjustment. Certainly the future of all artillery. They really need to get the fuzes squared away. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:52:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#46]
Rheinmetall ( @RheinmetallAG ) was contracted to produce 150,000 APDS-T (Amour-Piercing-Discarding-Sabot - Tracer) and 150,000 HEI-T (High-Explosive-Incendiary – Tracer). Source (German): https://bmvg.de/de/presse/neu-produzierte-gepard-munition-ist-in-ukraine-angekommen-5674218 Reported earlier, but note it only took 7 months for them to get that production line back up making the older ammunition for these systems. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:55:17 AM EDT
[#47]
Himars hit.
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:56:08 AM EDT
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5RHnTDaAAAX7Bj?format=png&name=small More confirmation UA is dominating the artillery battle. If RuAF can’t cover the minefields with artillery and instead UA is tge one shelling those minefields are just a technical problem to resolve and once paths are cleared inconsequential. Those 300,000 rounds of DPCIM seemed to turn the tide in both effect and quantity. Along with all the increases in HE production. They need the cluster version for MLRS for similar reason. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:59:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: This is incorrect. As has been shown, Russia is a bit player in every marketplace. The other countries that produce similar products would need only to scale up their production by less than 10% to replace all of Russian exports going to literally zero. You need to wrap your head around how insignificant Russia's exports are and how easily they can be replaced by the rest of the world. The world needs them *GONE* far more than they need anything they export. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By thanosnap: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Are you kidding? We can pump enough to drop the price below what they can extract it for if we had the will to do it. We would be talking about doubling our oil production, or at least up by 50% if Russia still produces in non-permafrost areas and OPEC increases output. It's just not possible. According to your numbers Russia exports 119 billion barrels. We export 112. Yeah, they're a poor country. But we need their resources to keep flowing. Much more than we need them destroyed. This is incorrect. As has been shown, Russia is a bit player in every marketplace. The other countries that produce similar products would need only to scale up their production by less than 10% to replace all of Russian exports going to literally zero. You need to wrap your head around how insignificant Russia's exports are and how easily they can be replaced by the rest of the world. The world needs them *GONE* far more than they need anything they export. The West coddled Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union…how’s that working out for everyone now? Coddling Russia just kicks the can down the road for the next generation to deal with. Let’s just do everything we can to chop the head off the snake now. We don’t need to coddle Russia to account for their nukes. There are other options available to deal with stray nukes if they attempt to make their way into the wrong hands, so to speak. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 12:02:54 PM EDT
[#50]
Bad things may be coming.
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