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Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:21:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DPeacher:
Originally Posted By RockNwood:

Stealth as embodied by F-35 and Storm Shadow could be the 2023 version of Reagan’s Starwars—tech so advanced that it absolutely crushes Russia economically. And in this iteration, militarily as well.


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Gotta wonder at which point the Russian security structure decides to cut their losses with Putin.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:27:26 PM EST
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Drone drops.

Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:28:14 PM EST
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Tea for one? A window with a view, perhaps? How about a gift bottle of wine for the flight home?
Unrolled thread for X poors :)
Tuesday, Ukraine again took advantage of systemic challenges & that lack of imagination. Limits on Russian dry dock space restrict repair options, but the failure of imagination in placing two critical warfighting assets in a fixed dock within strike range is astonishing.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:28:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GBTX01:


"🇺🇦 "The Ukrainian authorities announced the evacuation of the civilian population from some villages of the Kherson region", - writes AFP"

I found this interesting.  I am wondering if something has changed or is about to change that might make that area spicier than normal.

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Zelensky made a cryptic statement a few days ago, saying that “We know what you have planned and we’re ready for it.”
Hard to say what he meant until something unusual happens.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:33:13 PM EST
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Where are they going to go?  If Turkey won't let warships pass then they're stuck.
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It is going to be very interesting when everyone realizes that Western cruise and ballistic missiles can delete Russian s-300 and S-400's at will.

Countries like China have got to be worried.


Looking at a map, I'd say it portends that the Russian fleet no longer has a safe harbor in the Black Sea.   If the storm shadows can keep flowing, Russia will eventually have to choose between having a Black Sea Fleet outside of the Black Sea or at the bottom of it.

Where are they going to go?  If Turkey won't let warships pass then they're stuck.

Back to Novorossisk or Rostov-on-don.  No doubt Ukraine is under an obligation not to use Stormshadow against Russia proper, so they’d be left with Neptune, Grim, small drones, or kamikaze boats.  And the first two probably can’t reach those targets.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:34:39 PM EST
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Savage business in the moonscape north of Bakhmut. Day after day for months these guys have kept after them. Much respect. VIDEO
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:35:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Capta:

Would take that with a big grain of salt.  I saw another translation of probably the same report which said “500 were hiding in the forest belt”. “500” is the Russian code for deserters/refuseniks/mental breakdowns.  So the report may just be “there are deserters hiding in the forest,” which is entirely plausible.
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That's the way I took it. "500" or "five hundredths" is how they refer to refuseniks. 200 = KIA, 300 = wounded, 500 = refusenik. I never heard a 400 though.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:37:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By stgdz:

I'm more worried about the m270's getting hit.  That's pretty far behind the line.
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I'm more worried about the m270's getting hit.  That's pretty far behind the line.

They didn’t actually say anything in particular was hit, they said they had to be repaired outside the country.  Could be an engine swap, computer failure, who knows.
We did see at least one M270 right in with the Kharkiv spearhead, could’ve gotten damaged there any number of ways.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:37:29 PM EST
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This is a hard to watch, the language is less than fluid.  It will however give you a new level of contempt toward the Russian apologists.  The writing is on the wall and Russia and China know it.

https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/events/decolonizing-russia

Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:39:44 PM EST
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3x patrol boats damaged
This isn't counting the electronics captured from the oil rigs or any other losses.

Best part the week is not even over yet!


And Schneider? Where is he with his army corps? In the north, yes? He will come down through the land bridge and CRUSH the enemy!!   Get me Schneider immediately!
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:40:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dewoitine:


The Brits are not responsible for the stealth. They paid some of it for it but it's a French missile made from the apache missile.
But enough with my French patriotism, I'm a proud ukbro so let's celebrate what should more common, France and the UK working together for a better world.
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Originally Posted By dewoitine:
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I like the callout on stealth effectiveness. Even though the Storm Shadow RCS is 10x of an F-35 and 100x of a F-22 it is smaller than other stealth aircraft and basically insignificant. The S-400 is basically blind and in none of these Crimea cases has it fired off in self-defense. The Brits really did a great job on their stealth. Too bad the US is sitting on the stealth sidelines. BAE going to be ringing up the sales £££££

Additionally, the figure that I know from the RCS for the Storm Shadow is 0.014 square meters (f-35 0.0015, F-22 0.0001 the size of a beetle, Chinese J-20, at least 0.3, the future B-21 bomber will look the size of a mosquito. The ALCM carriers in this case the Su-24 probably fired more than 200 km from the area between Pervomaisk and Kropyvnytskyi
  And the Neptunes aren't stealthy and they can be destroyed by the Russian system ,easily,even if they fly low. I do not buy the “Neptune” version. The Neptune version is merely political


The Brits are not responsible for the stealth. They paid some of it for it but it's a French missile made from the apache missile.
But enough with my French patriotism, I'm a proud ukbro so let's celebrate what should more common, France and the UK working together for a better world.

Welcome sir!
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:40:28 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:40:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
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In the post-explosion videos, the Moskva's aerial tracking antennas were still in the stowed position.  In all likelihood, they were only running surface navigation radar.  So, tough to say whether they might have defeated the attack as typical Russian competence took that off the table.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:42:11 PM EST
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Zelensky made a cryptic statement a few days ago, saying that "We know what you have planned and we're ready for it."
Hard to say what he meant until something unusual happens.
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Originally Posted By GBTX01:


"     "The Ukrainian authorities announced the evacuation of the civilian population from some villages of the Kherson region", - writes AFP"

I found this interesting.  I am wondering if something has changed or is about to change that might make that area spicier than normal.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6AulquXkAAQ1bL?format=jpg&name=900x900


Zelensky made a cryptic statement a few days ago, saying that "We know what you have planned and we're ready for it."
Hard to say what he meant until something unusual happens.
Could also be something high risk high reward for the Ukes.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:44:16 PM EST
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Quite frankly, I hope it is something rather daring to break open that southern front.

Israelis in 67 moved through an 'impassable' area and it worked out big time. I think something similar by the Ukrainians could do something similar for them
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:44:55 PM EST
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Desperation is in the air. Sending the best and brightest from the dark holes of misery.

The list consists of 26 points, including HIV, hepatitis B and C, diabetes mellitus, all forms of active tuberculosis, drug addiction, lack of limbs or a kidney.

However, many serious diseases were not on the list. Now people with heart defects, hearing loss, schizophrenia and oligophrenia will be sent to the front to die for the tsar.

As Russian opposition politician Mikhail Khodorkovsky noted, this order was created so that more "volunteers" could be recruited from prisons. That is, now not just Russian prisoners, but seriously ill Russian prisoners will fight in Ukraine. From the point of view of an ordinary person, this is incredible cynicism. But the Russian command does not care who they will send to war.
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Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:48:29 PM EST
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Russians reporting incoming Storm Shadows.

Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:48:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Tea for one? A window with a view, perhaps? How about a gift bottle of wine for the flight home?
Unrolled thread for X poors :)https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3731-2953689.jpg
Tuesday, Ukraine again took advantage of systemic challenges & that lack of imagination. Limits on Russian dry dock space restrict repair options, but the failure of imagination in placing two critical warfighting assets in a fixed dock within strike range is astonishing.
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Thanks for posting the threadreader link.

It's not simply "tactical failures." They have no counter to advanced western missiles. As Solovyov said, even if you shoot down 7 out of 10 cruise missiles, that means three critical hits against you. (And do we truly believe they shot down 7 out of 10?)

Giving up that land strike in NW Crimea was in deed a huge security failure, though. Allowing attack boats to cross the Black Sea, make land, and conduct a major sabotage op is a pretty ugly stain on the record. BSF hasn't made the adjustments and brought the right resources to the right actions. Putting out to sea to lob some cruise missiles at markets and apartments might play well in Moscow, but it doesn't help the war effort, and it doesn't defend their assets. The big picture is that Ukraine is on the initiative, and Russia is just hitting back and defending. Seems like some of Command hasn't accepted that reality. The poor admiral did not adequately defend his assets, so scratch one more admiral. Who's next?
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:52:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

That's the way I took it. "500" or "five hundredths" is how they refer to refuseniks. 200 = KIA, 300 = wounded, 500 = refusenik. I never heard a 400 though.
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Originally Posted By Capta:

Would take that with a big grain of salt.  I saw another translation of probably the same report which said “500 were hiding in the forest belt”. “500” is the Russian code for deserters/refuseniks/mental breakdowns.  So the report may just be “there are deserters hiding in the forest,” which is entirely plausible.

That's the way I took it. "500" or "five hundredths" is how they refer to refuseniks. 200 = KIA, 300 = wounded, 500 = refusenik. I never heard a 400 though.


Shell shocked/psych casualties

Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:57:13 PM EST
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Yeah it is amazing that Russia stubbornly sticks with using its best missiles against civilian targets. Can’t imagine what the situation would be if those hundreds and thousands of missiles and larger drones had been focused on military targets.

As a recent article noted, wars are won by capturing cities. They are the economic, communications, political and transportation hubs. But you take them militarily not by attacking civilians in malls and apartments.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:58:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Desperation is in the air. Sending the best and brightest from the dark holes of misery.
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Desperation is in the air. Sending the best and brightest from the dark holes of misery.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3733-2953705.jpg
The list consists of 26 points, including HIV, hepatitis B and C, diabetes mellitus, all forms of active tuberculosis, drug addiction, lack of limbs or a kidney.

However, many serious diseases were not on the list. Now people with heart defects, hearing loss, schizophrenia and oligophrenia will be sent to the front to die for the tsar.

As Russian opposition politician Mikhail Khodorkovsky noted, this order was created so that more "volunteers" could be recruited from prisons. That is, now not just Russian prisoners, but seriously ill Russian prisoners will fight in Ukraine. From the point of view of an ordinary person, this is incredible cynicism. But the Russian command does not care who they will send to war.

That pretty much defines genocide, on your own country. I recon if you want to clean out your country of all the undesirables, drafting them
into war service is one way to do it.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 4:58:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Former 'rightwing' Austrian Foreign minister moves to Russia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66795596
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Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:02:46 PM EST
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Wow, maybe we need to build more Bradley's.
It is a good video to watch,  for many reasons.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:08:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

That's the way I took it. "500" or "five hundredths" is how they refer to refuseniks. 200 = KIA, 300 = wounded, 500 = refusenik. I never heard a 400 though.
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Neither did the storm shadows..
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Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:11:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Desperation is in the air. Sending the best and brightest from the dark holes of misery.
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Interesting. I`d have thought "lack of limbs" would get someone a pass.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:15:36 PM EST
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Interesting. I`d have thought "lack of limbs" would get someone a pass.
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It does. That's one of the prohibited issues/disorders.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:15:48 PM EST
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Where are they going to go?  If Turkey won't let warships pass then they're stuck.
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Russia has an extensive canal system, anchored by the Volga-Don canal, which gives them transport from most anywhere in the Don and Volga watersheds, including passing ships and subs between the Caspian and Black Seas, to deep within Russia's interior west of the Urals, and all the way out to the Baltic using their "Unified Deep Water System". Twists and turns, and a long way around, but they can move ships without going past Turkey, as long as they're not too big to fit through the canals.

I don't know the specifics on draft and beam limits, but someone in this thread said they could have moved anything except cruisers like the Moskva and similar very large ships, like the Kuznetsov. Not sure about oil or gas tankers.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:29:43 PM EST
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Yup. Growing up I was untouchable if I was near a pile of rocks. It helped me get Expert in basic on the grenade range lol.
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I had my own unique throwing sport I engaged in as a kid. I lived on a farm, so I had access to all the dirt clods I could ever want. One of my favorite activities was setting up plastic army men (not the regular little tiny ones but the bigger figures that were 4 or 5 inches tall) on the ground and backing off a good distance before launching an "artillery barrage" against them with dry dirt clods. Sometimes I would hit them with high angle dirt clod fire. Other times I would engage in more direct fire mode. When the dry dirt clods would impact the ground, they would produce a big cloud of dust and a spray of dirt fragment shrapnel that would knock over the plastic army men. To my imaginative mind, they actually looked like artillery rounds impacting. I even got good enough I could do MRSI before that was even considered a thing. I would toss one really high, toss another on a more medium trajectory and another on a shallow trajectory and have all 3 land basically at the same time. Throwing dirt clods made me a much more accurate thrower than playing baseball, and I played baseball just about every day. It is actually quite amazing the ways a bored kid can find can find the means to entertain himself while rolling solo.

Another of my favorite activities was setting up plastic army men and sniping at them from a distance with an old Daisy 770 (or maybe it was an 880?) BB gun. I got so much damn trigger time on that gun that it made me a better marksman than all my other shooting activities combined. I could shoot the hair off a gnat's ass with that Daisy. We're talking way back in the 1980s. Even to this day I prefer the V-Notch type sights on a rifle to peep sights and shoot them better. And that is all because of the time I spent whacking plastic army men with that damn Daisy. I used it so much I had to replace most of the screws in it multiples times, as they'd simply work loose and fall out from all the action. I think I still have that old Daisy tucked away somewhere in the back of a closet. That was the best damn BB gun I ever had. And with 10 pumps and a regular steel BB, you could shoot through multiple tin cans with it. I loved that little air rifle.

Anyway, sorry for the reminiscing. We'll get back on topic.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:30:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By torstin:

Interesting. I`d have thought "lack of limbs" would get someone a pass.
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Desperation is in the air. Sending the best and brightest from the dark holes of misery.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3733-2953705.jpg

Interesting. I`d have thought "lack of limbs" would get someone a pass.

Russia's willingness to take the infirm is starting to resemble my Tinder profile.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:32:35 PM EST
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Video in tweet from the shipyard right next to the smoked LST. That LST is perms-fucked.
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That'll buff right out.  New coat of paint... right as rain.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:37:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Prime:
"Why don't we give Ukraine what it needs?" - Boris Johnson

The former Prime Minister of Great Britain and a great friend of Ukraine, Boris Johnson, published his article in the leading British publication The Spectator. In it, he asks the leaders of Western countries one simple question: why have they not yet given Ukraine everything it needs to win? "Military Courier" provides a full translation of Boris Johnson's article.

📌 Visiting rehabilitation centers for seriously wounded Ukrainian soldiers, you quickly learn to cope with the shock of what you see. You don't flinch or look away. You pick up the habits of experienced doctors, nurses and physical therapists – to focus not on wounds, but on people. And while many women were killed or wounded in this brutal conflict, I must have seen over a hundred seriously wounded soldiers in Kyiv and Lviv, in three different hospitals, and all of them were men.

📌Talking with them, you quickly discover that they do not want to evoke sympathy from you. They don't want to be told how brave they are because they don't feel particularly brave. As several of them told me rather angrily, they think they were "doing their job". They were doing something that was simply important and necessary for their families and for the life of their country, and they were unlucky - as anyone in a dangerous job can be.

📌 Instead of talking about their injuries, they want to talk about the progress their units or regiments have made. The one thing that seems to give them distinct comfort and satisfaction is the knowledge that the land is being reclaimed and that their efforts have played a part in that success. And, even, they can do it again.

🟢 Do not believe for a moment that these Ukrainian soldiers - or the population of Ukraine in general - can somehow be persuaded to lay down their arms or make a deal with Putin. They are not fighting at our will and they will not stop because we say so. They are waging a war of independence because they refuse to bow to terror and want their country to be free.

📌 There is only one thing they want from us - weapons to finish the job.

🔴 If Putin wins, a terrible message will fly around the world: that this was the moment when democracies promised to stand up to autocracy, and we failed! And all he needs to do to claim victory is to hold on to at least a sliver of the territory he captured after February 24, 2022. In that case, the history of Ukraine will be about a Ukrainian army with a lion's heart, which was eventually betrayed by the West, which lacked courage.

🟢 Ukraine's victory will revive and fuel the West and everything we stand for. First of all, it will mean the liberation of a beautiful and completely innocent country that has been selfishly and criminally attacked.

👉 Full article 👈


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Bravo!
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If that's not some fraternity paintball team somewhere in Alabama, i'm going to be shocked.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:39:12 PM EST
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Stephen Kotkin, of Princeton University interview 8 days after February 24th,  I think it held up well.


To paraphrase "International order cannot come at the cost of other countries freedom."

He has some great insights.

https://www.hoover.org/research/5-more-questions-stephen-kotkin-ukraine-edition-1

p.s Juts realized there is a video in the link,  I just read the transcript, its a long read, for when the thread is slow, I had to keep coming back to it but it was satisfying.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:41:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jhereg:

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Turkey would let them leave, by treaty they have to let them back in too.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:43:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By CS223:

That pretty much defines genocide, on your own country. I recon if you want to clean out your country of all the undesirables, drafting them
into war service is one way to do it.
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Desperation is in the air. Sending the best and brightest from the dark holes of misery.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3733-2953705.jpg
The list consists of 26 points, including HIV, hepatitis B and C, diabetes mellitus, all forms of active tuberculosis, drug addiction, lack of limbs or a kidney.

However, many serious diseases were not on the list. Now people with heart defects, hearing loss, schizophrenia and oligophrenia will be sent to the front to die for the tsar.

As Russian opposition politician Mikhail Khodorkovsky noted, this order was created so that more "volunteers" could be recruited from prisons. That is, now not just Russian prisoners, but seriously ill Russian prisoners will fight in Ukraine. From the point of view of an ordinary person, this is incredible cynicism. But the Russian command does not care who they will send to war.

That pretty much defines genocide, on your own country. I recon if you want to clean out your country of all the undesirables, drafting them
into war service is one way to do it.

Straight out of the DMB 2000 movie.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:43:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Circuits:

Russia has an extensive canal system, anchored by the Volga-Don canal, which gives them transport from most anywhere in the Don and Volga watersheds, including passing ships and subs between the Caspian and Black Seas, to deep within Russia's interior west of the Urals, and all the way out to the Baltic using their "Unified Deep Water System". Twists and turns, and a long way around, but they can move ships without going past Turkey, as long as they're not too big to fit through the canals.

I don't know the specifics on draft and beam limits, but someone in this thread said they could have moved anything except cruisers like the Moskva and similar very large ships, like the Kuznetsov. Not sure about oil or gas tankers.
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I think in the 21st century, if that capability still exists, it is likely not very practical since prep, travel time, and unpacking means your enemies have a pretty big heads up on the new naval asset arrival in theatre.
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Looking at Wikipedia, it looks like the "Deep" water is limited to about 4 meters and the system isn't necessarily all that deep.  I haven't been paying that much attention, but I don't recall any discussion of the canal system solving the warm water port problem for Russia.
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I love a good 90's Segal flick. It's not our fault he went nuts later in life.
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I wouldn’t watch his direct to video crap now, but he had some fun action movies in the 90’s I seem to remember him introducing the moronic press check on his 1911 though.
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Tea for one? A window with a view, perhaps? How about a gift bottle of wine for the flight home?
Unrolled thread for X poors :)https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3731-2953689.jpg
Tuesday, Ukraine again took advantage of systemic challenges & that lack of imagination. Limits on Russian dry dock space restrict repair options, but the failure of imagination in placing two critical warfighting assets in a fixed dock within strike range is astonishing.
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I personally think the Ukrainians have been waiting very patiently for the BSF to become more aggressive and take more risks.
Adm Sokolov is probably under immense pressure from Putin, but he would do well to remember Admiral Jellicoe’s position.   “Nothing the navy can do will win the war, but we can lose it in an afternoon.”
I think there are already HARPOONS on Migs waiting for that chance.
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Of all the pickup trucks on all the battlefields in Ukraine…

The Bolivar Battalion, composed of South American volunteers fighting for Ukraine, claimed to have captured a Cuban fighter fighting for Russia.
https://twitter.com/All_Source_News/status/1702383373300162728

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They knew how to tell him to surrender or die in a language he understood.  He might be dead if he was fighting against any other unit.
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Desperation is in the air. Sending the best and brightest from the dark holes of misery.
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Genocide via different means. Notice how basically ZERO people from Moscow (relatively speaking) are in the fight.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:49:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:

That is why soccer will be the death of civilization

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well soccer's great for cardio so there's that  
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:52:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Former 'rightwing' Austrian Foreign minister moves to Russia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66795596
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Fucking shitbird No wonder we have cunt/compromized countries in Europe dragging their feet.
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I’d speculate that some shit she’s done was about to blow in the media and she decided to get out while she could.  Or Russia pulled her out, depending on exactly what her employment status is with them.  *cough*FSB*cough*
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:55:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Prime:
"Why don't we give Ukraine what it needs?" - Boris Johnson

The former Prime Minister of Great Britain and a great friend of Ukraine, Boris Johnson, published his article in the leading British publication The Spectator. In it, he asks the leaders of Western countries one simple question: why have they not yet given Ukraine everything it needs to win? "Military Courier" provides a full translation of Boris Johnson's article.

📌 Visiting rehabilitation centers for seriously wounded Ukrainian soldiers, you quickly learn to cope with the shock of what you see. You don't flinch or look away. You pick up the habits of experienced doctors, nurses and physical therapists – to focus not on wounds, but on people. And while many women were killed or wounded in this brutal conflict, I must have seen over a hundred seriously wounded soldiers in Kyiv and Lviv, in three different hospitals, and all of them were men.

📌Talking with them, you quickly discover that they do not want to evoke sympathy from you. They don't want to be told how brave they are because they don't feel particularly brave. As several of them told me rather angrily, they think they were "doing their job". They were doing something that was simply important and necessary for their families and for the life of their country, and they were unlucky - as anyone in a dangerous job can be.

📌 Instead of talking about their injuries, they want to talk about the progress their units or regiments have made. The one thing that seems to give them distinct comfort and satisfaction is the knowledge that the land is being reclaimed and that their efforts have played a part in that success. And, even, they can do it again.

🟢 Do not believe for a moment that these Ukrainian soldiers - or the population of Ukraine in general - can somehow be persuaded to lay down their arms or make a deal with Putin. They are not fighting at our will and they will not stop because we say so. They are waging a war of independence because they refuse to bow to terror and want their country to be free.

📌 There is only one thing they want from us - weapons to finish the job.

🔴 If Putin wins, a terrible message will fly around the world: that this was the moment when democracies promised to stand up to autocracy, and we failed! And all he needs to do to claim victory is to hold on to at least a sliver of the territory he captured after February 24, 2022. In that case, the history of Ukraine will be about a Ukrainian army with a lion's heart, which was eventually betrayed by the West, which lacked courage.

🟢 Ukraine's victory will revive and fuel the West and everything we stand for. First of all, it will mean the liberation of a beautiful and completely innocent country that has been selfishly and criminally attacked.

👉 Full article 👈


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Boris Johnson gets it.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 5:55:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

That's the way I took it. "500" or "five hundredths" is how they refer to refuseniks. 200 = KIA, 300 = wounded, 500 = refusenik. I never heard a 400 though.
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Originally Posted By Capta:

Would take that with a big grain of salt.  I saw another translation of probably the same report which said "500 were hiding in the forest belt". "500" is the Russian code for deserters/refuseniks/mental breakdowns.  So the report may just be "there are deserters hiding in the forest," which is entirely plausible.

That's the way I took it. "500" or "five hundredths" is how they refer to refuseniks. 200 = KIA, 300 = wounded, 500 = refusenik. I never heard a 400 though.
Heh, may those are the ones who tried to be refuseniks, but were 200d or 300d by barrier troops.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 6:01:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:

As long as you were drinking rum and not vodka you get a probationary pass.

Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.
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Originally Posted By 1969iggy:
I have a confession to make.  And apologize for the thread derail in advance.  And apologize for the bad behavior as well.

Last night i got drunk and watched "Marked for Death" on streaming...  it was so cheesy with the fake Jamaican accents, ridiculous "stunts" and, sadly it may have resulted in Steven Segal getting $.05 in royalties.

I am sorry.  But i did enjoy it in a "i'm a teen in the early 90s again" kind of way.


As long as you were drinking rum and not vodka you get a probationary pass.

Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

Plantation Grand Reserve 5 year.  I love rum.  It's part of my retirement plan.  If i drink enough, my liver won't outlast my money.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 6:01:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire:


Do you remember the *lengthy* conversation we had with one of the mods about who should and shouldn't be called Orcs?  I believe the discussion concluded like this:


Russians who are physically attacking Ukraine = Orcs

Russians who support attacking Ukraine = Orcs


Russians who denounce both Russian types of the above = NOT Orcs

Russians who fled Russia, but their position on Ukraine is unstated or otherwise unknown = NOT Orcs


You can't just call any given Russian an Orc because they're doing something (non-Ukraine-related) that you don't like.  And, that statement was backed up by site staff...hundreds of pages ago, but it's there.  


This isn't Russia- we're supposed to consistently honor the agreements made around here.  
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Ok, I had forgotten that discussion. So I won't use the label or comment further, although I still think they merit the descriptor.

There are all kinds of ungrateful people in the world, those particular Russian "refugees" and their children are just some of them.

I won't thread slide further when the larger point of the thread is to track the progress of the war; my apologies to all.
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 6:02:04 PM EST
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Here is hoping.

https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1702440396209397964

Kadyrov’s in a coma according to Chechen source
Link Posted: 9/14/2023 6:05:14 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/14/2023 6:14:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Circuits:

Russia has an extensive canal system, anchored by the Volga-Don canal, which gives them transport from most anywhere in the Don and Volga watersheds, including passing ships and subs between the Caspian and Black Seas, to deep within Russia's interior west of the Urals, and all the way out to the Baltic using their "Unified Deep Water System". Twists and turns, and a long way around, but they can move ships without going past Turkey, as long as they're not too big to fit through the canals.

I don't know the specifics on draft and beam limits, but someone in this thread said they could have moved anything except cruisers like the Moskva and similar very large ships, like the Kuznetsov. Not sure about oil or gas tankers.
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After we've seen first hand how the Russians maintain things one has to wonder if those canals are still operational and not filled in with silt in places. Or some enterprising governor sold part of one of the locks. The orcs definitely have raised the bar on corruption and neglect of equipment.
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