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Posted: 12/9/2023 1:21:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Probably made by HK... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Are the rounds individual wrapped in a gift basket with a Starbucks card or something? Gold plated? German firearm engraved? Do they name each one in a ceremony before shipping? Probably made by HK...  Beware the man who has only one rifle [made by HK]. He is probably a wealthy bastard with a stealth fighter too. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 1:32:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: INTERVIEW WITH IGOR STRELKOV TO THE BAZA NEWS AGENCY About the criminal case – What is the status of your criminal case? How does it go? – Now the case has been transferred to court, it is based on an examination. I deny the very fact of the existence of a crime event. – Your lawyer Alexander Molokhov has repeatedly filed complaints about violations in the case materials. – There were a lot of complaints, but what was the point? The main violation is that competent specialists in the field of psycholinguistics were not involved in the case at the investigation stage. I hope they will be brought to justice at trial. The main evidence of the investigation is a psycholinguistic examination. I completely disagree with the charges brought against me. The examination was carried out by incompetent people, this is real bullshit. – What do you think the final verdict will be? “I expect a conviction and imprisonment for an indefinite period.” In general, I view this event as an interesting precedent: after the accusation is made, there is no place left on Earth where I would be recognized as a law-abiding citizen. In the West, I have already been recognized as a terrorist after the verdict of the Hague Tribunal. And in my homeland, apparently, the dubious reputation of an extremist awaits me. – Why was the case opened only now? What was the reason? – The trigger was the growing external and internal instability of Russia, the authorities’ sense of the fragility of their position. My arrest happened a month after Prigozhin’s rebellion. My greatest fear is that instead of the usual criminal punishment, I will be “amnestied” in the same way as the Cook. About arrest and pre-trial detention center – What do you do in the pre-trial detention center? – There are no neighbors in the cell. Living conditions are normal, now I’m reading the history of the ancient world. In general, I mainly read historical literature here; I am a historian by training. More recently, I re-read Denikin’s “History of the Russian Troubles.” – Did any incidents occur during the arrest? - There was nothing like that. There are health problems, but everything here is according to age, I don’t complain about anything. – Maybe pressure from the investigation? – There is no pressure. – Do you receive letters? – There are few letters coming, this is bad. I suspect censorship is to blame. But what’s interesting is this: messages come even from liberals, spewing curses and making fun of them. There are quite a lot of letters of support from ordinary people. Of the famous ones, I can name the writer Eskov, who does not share my political beliefs at all. He has liberal views. He has been a supporter of Navalny for some time. About Prigozhin – What is your opinion about Yevgeny Prigozhin? You had a serious conflict with him. – I didn’t know him personally. I don’t know if he personally visited the DPR in 1914. I didn’t feel any joy when Prigozhin died, although, admittedly, there was no particular regret. I still believe that the elimination of Povar and his associates was unlikely to have been sanctioned directly by the supreme acting power. The conflict began with events in 2016 in the Hisham region of Syria. Then US aircraft unrequitedly destroyed several hundred Russian soldiers. My former detachment commander in Bosnia was seriously wounded near Hisham. I always believed that Russian blood should be shed exclusively for Russia, for the interests of the Russian people, and not for the selfish dealings of Russian oligarchs and political adventurers. That’s why my attitude towards Prigozhin is purely negative. I believe that such particularly serious crimes as rebellion, especially in wartime, certainly need to be punished severely. But only in court. Even after the “amnesty,” Prigozhin posed a huge danger to Russia at the head of his illegal PMC “Wagner.” However, no one has been held accountable for Prigozhin’s removal. The President voiced the version of spontaneous death - I don’t believe in this version. Continuation https://t.me/strelkovii/6530 Continuation of the interview. Start About conscience – When was the last time you saw Konstantin Malofeev? – I saw him in 2015. I didn’t ask for help because I didn’t even think about it. We have long since disagreed on the situation in the country and how an honest Russian patriot should act. – Besides him, is there anyone from your circle who can reach the top and say: “Let’s not put him in jail”? – I don’t know anyone from Putin’s circle, I don’t have any connections that discredit me, and I can’t answer your question. – In 2014, you abruptly left all your positions in the DPR. In one interview, you stated that you were “asked” to do this, and at the same time refused to name the person. Will you tell me now? - No, I can’t say, I’m not afraid of this person, I just know how to keep military state secrets, regardless of how my native state treats me. I'm only afraid of my conscience. About the Northern Military District, Russia and elections – Are you following the situation in the Northern Military District? – I have a TV, in the morning they turn on the radio and television channels. Once a week, my wife sends me news reports from the front, and quotes TG channels that were previously interesting. I know without details what is happening on the fronts of the Northern Military District. As for my forecast, there will be no agreement and no freeze. Although some comrades dream and see that everything will miraculously resolve, the Western partners will not allow this. “The hopes of young men are nourished.” This war will last for a long time, and the enemy has set as its goal the gradual destruction of Russia. – What is your assessment of what is happening? – The situation has radically worsened, the country has entered a period of acute instability, as demonstrated by both the Prigozhin rebellion and the method of eliminating its leaders. And the authorities’ strained attempts to demonstrate complete stability, “cleaning up the air” once again emphasizes the above. Once again, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that military successes in the idea of repelling the autumn and summer counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not in any way eliminate or balance the fact that the war has passed the 21st month, there is no end in sight to it, especially since no implementation is visible on the horizon plans of the Northern Military District in any of the stated versions, and the pathetic lamentations of officials about their readiness for negotiations with the so-called Ukraine without preconditions are further evidence of this. – You have decided to participate in the 2024 presidential elections. Why do you need this? – I am of sound mind and good memory, I really want to participate in the presidential elections, if the opportunity presents itself, which is extremely unlikely, some miracle must just happen, a black swan must swim out, so, I will certainly try to take part though in order to be able to tell at least a little truth about the real state of affairs in the state, what awaits us in the future, how to avoid the impending disaster. In a pre-trial detention cell there are few opportunities to develop an election campaign - I delegated authority to people with whom we hypothetically discussed this possibility before the arrest (Nelzin, Fedorov). I would take all measures to victoriously end the current war, since there will be no draw, and defeat is like death and will lead to a national catastrophe, which in its scale will be an order of magnitude greater than the damage to the victims that have already been suffered. We have long had no other way than to win complete victory without risking collapse into turmoil. If there were other options, then all of them were lost long ago by the current government irrevocably. Source https://t.me/strelkovii/6531 I’m glad Putin is displeased with Igor and has penned him up. More Shoigu please  |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 1:34:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: WTF? From what I've read, it was US people that failed to bring any new or creative ideas to the field. I thought we didn't even give them Green Berets for training, only weak sauce regular folks teaching basic material. Even Brits bashed the training USA provided. And the US should stay out of the decision. We don't give them enough other support to justify dictating the choice. Does AFU have anybody better? Nothing wrong with changing leaders when there are poor results, if you have a good alternative. Agree. You can’t make effective change if you don’t understand, or won’t admit, the problem. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 2:04:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: It really does. The best thing about it is Russia releases info in spurts when something looks bad for them to counter a narrative. Whenever you can see spaghetti adding another “news story” about Z killing puppies for fun it’s a good tell something big got hit or a Russian economic or battlefield setback, Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:
It sure worked on GD.  It really does. The best thing about it is Russia releases info in spurts when something looks bad for them to counter a narrative. Whenever you can see spaghetti adding another “news story” about Z killing puppies for fun it’s a good tell something big got hit or a Russian economic or battlefield setback, That may be true but the damage was done earlier and more subtly. So at this point even the most clumsy garbage is taken as true, because America is now the enemy and the enemy of my enemy is my friend. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 5:03:23 AM EST
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ERA on ERA...  Orcs. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 5:21:48 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 5:46:50 AM EST
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 Orc decoy.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 6:04:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: But GD smoothlobes told me it was back shooting missiles at Kyiv, Umm, yeah about that
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Posted: 12/9/2023 6:17:26 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:37:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Rare access inside a Ukrainian flying school training hundreds of kamikaze drone pilots
(Videos at Link) Ukrainian officials have given Forces News rare access inside a centre that is training hundreds of people to fly the cheap kamikaze drones that have been used to great effect against their Russian opponents. Drones have become a vital weapon of the war, supplementing regular artillery, and volunteers have set up drone schools across the country to teach soldiers and civilians how to fly them. Hundreds of men and women are being taught how to use small, cheap uncrewed aerial vehicles to seek and destroy Russian targets, wearing a headset that lets them see what the drone is seeing. An instructor known only as "Ihor" explained: "At first, the Russians didn’t know what they were, and we were able to attack targets close to the front line. "Now, they’ve moved everything back about six to eight kilometres. In Bakhmut, for instance, we used FPV (first person view) drones to hit individual Wagner soldiers in their trenches. "They're often more effective than artillery, particularly at getting into small areas and we’re starting to use them over longer distances." The students use simulators to practise flying, manoeuvring their drones through different landscapes. From Bakhmut to the Black Sea, drones have been a force multiplier, allowing Kyiv to hit Russian targets at reach with little danger to its troops. The Ukrainian government says it is training 10,000 FPV drone pilots a year. The drones, however, are difficult to fly and their battlefield success ratio is low, which is why Ukraine says it needs thousands more. However, some units have managed to achieve a much greater success rate, sometimes up to 80 per cent. https://www.forces.net/ukraine/rare-access-inside-ukrainian-flying-school-training-hundreds-suicide-drone-pilots |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:52:22 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:53:53 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:54:36 AM EST
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This guy might've been as close as twelve miles from the front line. 45th Artillery is just east of Sviati Hory National Park. The Commander-in-Chief of the Swedish Armed Forces, General Mikael Büden, visited the units of 45 OABr, which are performing tasks in the Eastern direction. During the meeting, General Buden spoke with artillerymen and infantrymen who were trained in Sweden and highly appreciated their combat work. The Ukrainian soldiers thanked General Mikael Buden and his government for the constant support of our people in the struggle for independence. https://t.me/operativnoZSU/126620 |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:55:50 AM EST
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Wondered about that Russian supply robot listing above.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:00:44 AM EST
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It seems the huge explosion posted yesterday was a fully loaded Russian TOS-1A, not a mine clearing charge as I thought.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:02:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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20 minutes ago.
Temporarily occupied Makiivka, Donetsk region Artemis gas station |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:03:15 AM EST
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This could be interesting combined with the F-16's.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:09:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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billions in new military assistance. The big supplement appropriation bill will be cleared up in January since both parties have to have passage for their own respective interests. Full NDAA here: https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20231211/FY24%20NDAA%20Conference%20Report%20-%20%20FINAL.pdf |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:13:57 AM EST
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Now I see why there are bundled of dead Russians together, they are mostly huddling together at night. Some of these drops are thermobaric grenades.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:15:48 AM EST
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I think these could be used to hit those Ukrainian unmanned drone boats. Add jammers to the drone boats for when they come under attack.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:17:51 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:18:38 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:24:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 20 minutes ago.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA6DSBgWYAAIYzj?format=png&name=small
In Makeyevka there was a strong arrival, after which a fire started. The shelling was carried out from MLRS. https://t.me/boris_rozhin/105954 In Makeevka - arrival and a strong fire. Public accounts write that the arrival was via a fuel depot. https://t.me/stranaua/134777 Today is tough again https://t.me/dark_donetskz/52811 Four rockets were fired at Makeyevka - preliminary, the oil depot was on fire. Consequences of the Ukrainian Armed Forces attack on video. https://t.me/mash_donbass/5130 Good video
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:25:09 AM EST
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Some good news, Russian source.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:29:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Some good news, Russian source.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA5KePxWsAAFLIN?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA5KedqXUAApsBS?format=jpg&name=large The Western approach to aid is going to allow Russia to learn how to army again. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:31:49 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:45:08 AM EST
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Ramping up on domestic projects.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:51:55 AM EST
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The inability of congress to pass funding for Ukraine when likely a majority of senators and house members support it is infuriating. The House Republicans said when they came into office that they were going to strip each item and vote clean bills up or down. That seemed to be fine for items such as funding for Israel, but for some reason Ukraine has to be tied to immigration reform. I get it, lots of republicans don't want to support Ukraine but put it up for a clean vote and lets see where everyone stands.
Quid pro quo only works if I'm giving you something that you want, and I get something I want. By tying Ukraine funidng to border, they are clearly demonstrating that the House Republicans don't support Ukraine. I think most don't care one way or another, except its another spending item and they have a lot of constituents that have been reached by Russian IO (10% for the big guy). I do think some Republicans view this from a more jaded strategic perspecitve, that if they keep Biden's response weak there then he can be blamed for a quagmire in Ukraine for the upcoming election. They likely imagine the public's view if there was anything close to the Kharkiv or even Kherson offensives Summer/Fall of next year. Instead, people in Ukraine have to die needlessly fighting for their freedom because people like Matt Gaetz think more of their own selfish ambition. I will say that we do have some Republicans that have stood in votes with Ukraine at every opportunity and I believe do understand and care for the cause. Mine is one, but unfortunately the way this is playing out at the party level is making me wonder if I should remain republican this next election. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 9:12:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
AlmightyTallest, I appreciate you providing the tweet and I'm not directing this at you; but how can he possibly say that cutting off funding to Ukraine is a Russian talking point? Maybe a Ukraine talking point. I'll leave this here (notice the date is 2020, so Trump admin not Biden, to source TNT from Ukraine Lugansk region after shutting down production in US): https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/global-ordnance-secures-long-term-tnt-supply-for-the-u-s-army-1029885839 I've seen some other reports that say this was never supposed to be a long term solution but 20 year contracts seem pretty long to me. I suppose next time we could build a plant just south of the Korean DMZ, or maybe just purchase direclty from Iran or China; that might be slightly less secure. The supplemental would have funding for a new plant in the US but I don't think it is in the NDAA (I'll look): https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/11/08/us-army-eyes-31-billion-ammo-production-boost-in-new-spending-ask/ |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 9:15:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryMoar. Surroundings, Avdiyivka, Donetsk region Bad days for the Russian infantry continue non-stop Video from BUAR soldiers of the 110th OMBr
Ground videos Serebryansky forest, Luhansk region
The outskirts of Bakhmut, Donetsk region Clearing enemy dugouts Soldiers of the Assault Regiment "Luhansk" of the Armed Forces of the NPU "Lyut" are working
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Posted: 12/9/2023 9:19:03 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 9:19:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Full NDAA here: https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20231211/FY24%20NDAA%20Conference%20Report%20-%20%20FINAL.pdf Thats all that dominates headlines lately, that the US is withdrawing support. I hate election season and narrative pushing. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 9:24:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAqopn9WgAAdL9P?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GArZHH-XQAEDlOj?format=jpg&name=900x900 I apologize for responding to something from so many pages ago but, holy hell. What a picture and what a sculpture. Dusty in here. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 9:32:52 AM EST
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A US citizen accused of rehabilitating Nazism was detained at a St. Petersburg hotel. On the eve of Victory Day, a man posted provocative photographs with the St. George ribbon on the Internet.
On May 8, 2022, Brooklyn resident Yuri Malev (who has Russian and US citizenship) posted online an image of a corpse with a tag in the form of a St. George’s Ribbon and the caption: “How to wear the St. George’s Ribbon correctly.” On the same day, the man posted another picture on Odnoklassniki with an orange and black ribbon and an offensive caption. An 86-year-old pensioner from St. Petersburg did not appreciate the images - she contacted the police. A criminal case was opened against Malev under the article “rehabilitation of Nazism.” On December 8, the man was detained at a hotel on Nevsky Prospekt - Malev arrived in Russia two weeks earlier by bus through Estonia. The detainee's phone and computer were confiscated. https://t.me/bazabazon/23592 |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 9:47:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomansland: The inability of congress to pass funding for Ukraine when likely a majority of senators and house members support it is infuriating. The House Republicans said when they came into office that they were going to strip each item and vote clean bills up or down. That seemed to be fine for items such as funding for Israel, but for some reason Ukraine has to be tied to immigration reform. I get it, lots of republicans don't want to support Ukraine but put it up for a clean vote and lets see where everyone stands. Quid pro quo only works if I'm giving you something that you want, and I get something I want. By tying Ukraine funidng to border, they are clearly demonstrating that the House Republicans don't support Ukraine. I think most don't care one way or another, except its another spending item and they have a lot of constituents that have been reached by Russian IO (10% for the big guy). I do think some Republicans view this from a more jaded strategic perspecitve, that if they keep Biden's response weak there then he can be blamed for a quagmire in Ukraine for the upcoming election. They likely imagine the public's view if there was anything close to the Kharkiv or even Kherson offensives Summer/Fall of next year. Instead, people in Ukraine have to die needlessly fighting for their freedom because people like Matt Gaetz think more of their own selfish ambition. I will say that we do have some Republicans that have stood in votes with Ukraine at every opportunity and I believe do understand and care for the cause. Mine is one, but unfortunately the way this is playing out at the party level is making me wonder if I should remain republican this next election. The other way to look at it is that Xiden and the democommies will let Ukrainians die just so they can keep sabotaging the US border, to replace YOU and ME, in the name of their Marxist revolution. I certainly agree that it's futile to think that any issue, including Ukraine, Taiwan, Israel, etc. etc. could be used to steer the dems away from their present coarse. Every additional $$ spent for border "security" will pay for plane tickets, bus rides, and hotel rooms for our replacements. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 9:59:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 12/9/2023 10:03:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: It is the Russian conjecture that they have bombed all of Ukraine's airbases and airports and runways to such an extent that it will not be possible, or at least not viable, to base "delicate, finicky western" F-16s anywhere inside the country. It might also be a play to justify attacking the F-16s in NATO countries as they're being ferried in, prior to delivery? Maybe it was meant for domestic Russian consumption..."we will kick NATO's asses as bad as Ukraine if you dont respec our authoriti...." or some such nonsense to his ignorant followers. Or the gap between Putin's war updates and reality on the ground is so gigantic that he believes this shit. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 10:20:24 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 10:59:21 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 11:12:47 AM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 11:27:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Thanks everyone. She was a good pup, but I knew yesterday we may have to have the vet put her down, but she went in her sleep in her favorite bed. I would trade 50 miles of trails and fields for 100 yds to give her a proper goodbye. Still have my buddy Walter, another semper fi rescue, and the wife's cat that thinks I belong to her. It never gets easy, they steal your heart and their lives are far too short. Beautifully stated. Sorry for your loss. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 11:43:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Thanks everyone. She was a good pup, but I knew yesterday we may have to have the vet put her down, but she went in her sleep in her favorite bed. I would trade 50 miles of trails and fields for 100 yds to give her a proper goodbye. Still have my buddy Walter, another semper fi rescue, and the wife's cat that thinks I belong to her. It never gets easy, they steal your heart and their lives are far too short. It's so unfair. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 11:52:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: WTF? From what I've read, it was US people that failed to bring any new or creative ideas to the field. I thought we didn't even give them Green Berets for training, only weak sauce regular folks teaching basic material. Even Brits bashed the training USA provided. And the US should stay out of the decision. We don't give them enough other support to justify dictating the choice. Does AFU have anybody better? Nothing wrong with changing leaders when there are poor results, if you have a good alternative. Its probably a case of both. The UA need fresh leadership AND less stupid advice from NATO about driving around mine fields and doing combined arms attacks with M113's and HMMV with jamomatic M2's and ZERO Abrams or F16's... |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 12:13:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomansland: AlmightyTallest, I appreciate you providing the tweet and I'm not directing this at you; but how can he possibly say that cutting off funding to Ukraine is a Russian talking point? Maybe a Ukraine talking point. I'll leave this here (notice the date is 2020, so Trump admin not Biden, to source TNT from Ukraine Lugansk region after shutting down production in US): https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/global-ordnance-secures-long-term-tnt-supply-for-the-u-s-army-1029885839 I've seen some other reports that say this was never supposed to be a long term solution but 20 year contracts seem pretty long to me. I suppose next time we could build a plant just south of the Korean DMZ, or maybe just purchase direclty from Iran or China; that might be slightly less secure. The supplemental would have funding for a new plant in the US but I don't think it is in the NDAA (I'll look): https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/11/08/us-army-eyes-31-billion-ammo-production-boost-in-new-spending-ask/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomansland: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
AlmightyTallest, I appreciate you providing the tweet and I'm not directing this at you; but how can he possibly say that cutting off funding to Ukraine is a Russian talking point? Maybe a Ukraine talking point. I'll leave this here (notice the date is 2020, so Trump admin not Biden, to source TNT from Ukraine Lugansk region after shutting down production in US): https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/global-ordnance-secures-long-term-tnt-supply-for-the-u-s-army-1029885839 I've seen some other reports that say this was never supposed to be a long term solution but 20 year contracts seem pretty long to me. I suppose next time we could build a plant just south of the Korean DMZ, or maybe just purchase direclty from Iran or China; that might be slightly less secure. The supplemental would have funding for a new plant in the US but I don't think it is in the NDAA (I'll look): https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/11/08/us-army-eyes-31-billion-ammo-production-boost-in-new-spending-ask/ No offense taken, I was wondering about this too. From the comments it seems the original Tweet might be confusing things with other budgets, I admit I am confused where some of this is all heading or who is exactly supporting what with various funding. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 12:23:18 PM EST
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Posted: 12/9/2023 12:44:53 PM EST
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Source video — imi (m) (@moklasen) December 9, 2023 |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 12:48:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Moar. Surroundings, Avdiyivka, Donetsk region Bad days for the Russian infantry continue non-stop Video from BUAR soldiers of the 110th OMBr
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Moar. Surroundings, Avdiyivka, Donetsk region Bad days for the Russian infantry continue non-stop Video from BUAR soldiers of the 110th OMBr
24 minute video about the 110th Mechanized.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 12:54:43 PM EST
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 BTR-50 with the Turret of a BTR-60/70/80 |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 1:03:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: No offense taken, I was wondering about this too. From the comments it seems the original Tweet might be confusing things with other budgets, I admit I am confused where some of this is all heading or who is exactly supporting what with various funding. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By nomansland: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
AlmightyTallest, I appreciate you providing the tweet and I'm not directing this at you; but how can he possibly say that cutting off funding to Ukraine is a Russian talking point? Maybe a Ukraine talking point. I'll leave this here (notice the date is 2020, so Trump admin not Biden, to source TNT from Ukraine Lugansk region after shutting down production in US): https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/global-ordnance-secures-long-term-tnt-supply-for-the-u-s-army-1029885839 I've seen some other reports that say this was never supposed to be a long term solution but 20 year contracts seem pretty long to me. I suppose next time we could build a plant just south of the Korean DMZ, or maybe just purchase direclty from Iran or China; that might be slightly less secure. The supplemental would have funding for a new plant in the US but I don't think it is in the NDAA (I'll look): https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/11/08/us-army-eyes-31-billion-ammo-production-boost-in-new-spending-ask/ No offense taken, I was wondering about this too. From the comments it seems the original Tweet might be confusing things with other budgets, I admit I am confused where some of this is all heading or who is exactly supporting what with various funding. FYI - I looked through the linked NDAA (searched for Ukraine and some other terms - note below are page numbers in PDF and not displayed numbers): p. 853 sec 1241 - $300 million for Ukraine - better than nothing but that is really just one PDA so that seems pretty limited. sec 1242 - they added Israel and Taiwan to Ukraine in terms of countries we might be supplying from our inventory and need to replace that inventory (added some items of multi-year contracts but most seem Taiwan focused). p. 2389 - Senate wants a briefing on "Army plan for ensuring sources for cannon tubes". It was only in the Senate and they dropped it from the NDAA but it seems the conference still wants the report Feb 29, 2024 (last one was March 2022). p. 2687 - the House was going to extend Lend-Lease to Ukraine but wasn't in Senate and seems wasn't adopted. several reports - p. 716 on UAV, p. 729 if lessons in Ukraine impact Marine modernization plans; some not adopted: p. 2574 industrail base report on air and missile defense, p. 2642 House wanted DOD update to Europe war plan with Russia p. 2695 - Not adopted: Sense of Senate regarding the arming of Ukraine with DPICM. It seems they were trying to encourage this but I can't tell from brief language. Conference recognizes that these were sent in 42nd PDA. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 1:08:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomansland: FYI - I looked through the linked NDAA (searched for Ukraine and some other terms - note below are page numbers in PDF and not displayed numbers): p. 853 sec 1241 - $300 million for Ukraine - better than nothing but that is really just one PDA so that seems pretty limited. sec 1242 - they added Israel and Taiwan to Ukraine in terms of countries we might be supplying from our inventory and need to replace that inventory (added some items of multi-year contracts but most seem Taiwan focused). p. 2389 - Senate wants a briefing on "Army plan for ensuring sources for cannon tubes". It was only in the Senate and they dropped it from the NDAA but it seems the conference still wants the report Feb 29, 2024 (last one was March 2022). p. 2687 - the House was going to extend Lend-Lease to Ukraine but wasn't in Senate and seems wasn't adopted. several reports - p. 716 on UAV, p. 729 if lessons in Ukraine impact Marine modernization plans; some not adopted: p. 2574 industrail base report on air and missile defense, p. 2642 House wanted DOD update to Europe war plan with Russia p. 2695 - Not adopted: Sense of Senate regarding the arming of Ukraine with DPICM. It seems they were trying to encourage this but I can't tell from brief language. Conference recognizes that these were sent in 42nd PDA. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomansland: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By nomansland: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
AlmightyTallest, I appreciate you providing the tweet and I'm not directing this at you; but how can he possibly say that cutting off funding to Ukraine is a Russian talking point? Maybe a Ukraine talking point. I'll leave this here (notice the date is 2020, so Trump admin not Biden, to source TNT from Ukraine Lugansk region after shutting down production in US): https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/global-ordnance-secures-long-term-tnt-supply-for-the-u-s-army-1029885839 I've seen some other reports that say this was never supposed to be a long term solution but 20 year contracts seem pretty long to me. I suppose next time we could build a plant just south of the Korean DMZ, or maybe just purchase direclty from Iran or China; that might be slightly less secure. The supplemental would have funding for a new plant in the US but I don't think it is in the NDAA (I'll look): https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/11/08/us-army-eyes-31-billion-ammo-production-boost-in-new-spending-ask/ No offense taken, I was wondering about this too. From the comments it seems the original Tweet might be confusing things with other budgets, I admit I am confused where some of this is all heading or who is exactly supporting what with various funding. FYI - I looked through the linked NDAA (searched for Ukraine and some other terms - note below are page numbers in PDF and not displayed numbers): p. 853 sec 1241 - $300 million for Ukraine - better than nothing but that is really just one PDA so that seems pretty limited. sec 1242 - they added Israel and Taiwan to Ukraine in terms of countries we might be supplying from our inventory and need to replace that inventory (added some items of multi-year contracts but most seem Taiwan focused). p. 2389 - Senate wants a briefing on "Army plan for ensuring sources for cannon tubes". It was only in the Senate and they dropped it from the NDAA but it seems the conference still wants the report Feb 29, 2024 (last one was March 2022). p. 2687 - the House was going to extend Lend-Lease to Ukraine but wasn't in Senate and seems wasn't adopted. several reports - p. 716 on UAV, p. 729 if lessons in Ukraine impact Marine modernization plans; some not adopted: p. 2574 industrail base report on air and missile defense, p. 2642 House wanted DOD update to Europe war plan with Russia p. 2695 - Not adopted: Sense of Senate regarding the arming of Ukraine with DPICM. It seems they were trying to encourage this but I can't tell from brief language. Conference recognizes that these were sent in 42nd PDA. Thanks for this, I haven't had time to go though it myself until later this afternoon. |
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