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Posted: 1/10/2024 4:09:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Demands by Hungary https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/01/10/hungary-makes-fresh-demands-in-exchange-for-lifting-veto-on-eu-financial-aid-for-ukraine I’m glad Orban enthusiastically endorses the EU Plan B. Just do it and ignore Orban. Better yet, form EU Redux which would be all the same members except Hungary and without Turkey’s application and replace unanimous votes for budget items with super majority. Might as well throw out DEI and all social engineering policies as well. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 4:12:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Yep. There are factions within the Intel and Diplomatic communities that enforce stability of the current geopolitical set at all costs due to the fear of "instability". This allows the "realists" to play their silly little geopolitical chess games with little regard for morality, long-term interests, or often the facts on the ground. In the Western diplomatic community, there was a huge push to maintain the GDR as a thing after the fall of the Wall, despite the fact that a small industrial state roughly the size of Ohio with the markets for all of it's internationally uncompetitive industries swept away had virtually no chance of long-term survival or independent recovery. During roughly the same period, elements within State and the Intel communities were propping up Noriega in Panama in contravention to official US policy, to the point that Bush I was forced to send in the Rangers, 82nd and 5th ID as well US forces in Panama to permanently solve the issue once and for all; a case where internal policy disputes went "hot". Let's not even mention the diplomatic shenanigans regarding Iraq before, during, and after the first Gulf War, or the emerging shitshow of the era in the soon-to-be-former Yugoslavia. The problem is that the clowns who played the stupid games have been "large and in-charge" of Deep State institutional policies since roughly 2007 and have no reason to reexamine their core doctrines as they have not been held accountable for any of their failures, since all they have to do is yell "Neocon" at anyone who disagrees with them. While I am not a fan of actual "Neocons" and their unrealistic, unsustainable, one-worlder corporate worldview and policies that can only be temporarily propped up with the bayonets (and bodies) of American troops, "Neocon" has become the new "Nazi" as a slander of anyone who criticizes our current pseudo-"realist" foreign policy establishment.  You are certainly use nicer terms than I do.  And Now For Something Completely Different... Monty Python Olympics | Upper Class Twit of The Year |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 4:19:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: I'm not too impressed with cluster munitions. I don't see them hitting anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By PMB1086:
FPV of a submunition exploding ~10m in front of a tank. Not much happens after the 20 second mark. I'm not too impressed with cluster munitions. I don't see them hitting anything. UA seems to favor a wide dispersion rather than more focused that would obliterate everything with a 50 yd area. Does not seem nearly as effective as the test video or as used by the US forces. Maybe a carry over attitude from working with wonky Russian artillery? It’s like when they first got western tanks they still drove up to point blank range to fire on trenches or armored vehicles rather than sit back 1,000 meters to whack them. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 4:30:56 PM EST
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https://abcnews.go.com/International/hospital-sees-30-rise-wounded-ukrainian-soldiers-doctor/story?id=106197525
Is it just me or does this seem kinda bad...? Sounds like Russia has a bunch of their own fpv drones now and that's not going to be good for Ukraine's manpower. So many injured and killed by the damn things. We were all laughing at Russians getting droned, but it won't be funny when it's the other way. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 4:35:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I recommend printing this strong denunciation on sheets of 8.5x11 paper, folding them into paper airplanes, and throwing them at the next cruise missile raid. Shouldn't even be on paper. That would give them stuff to burn to stay warm
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Posted: 1/10/2024 4:36:06 PM EST
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Meant to post yesterday but had family drama again to deal with offline
https://www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric-ato/3811078-training-of-f16-maintenance-personnel-continues-in-ukraine-defense-ministry.html  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 4:43:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingsmen: https://abcnews.go.com/International/hospital-sees-30-rise-wounded-ukrainian-soldiers-doctor/story?id=106197525 Is it just me or does this seem kinda bad...? Sounds like Russia has a bunch of their own fpv drones now and that's not going to be good for Ukraine's manpower. So many injured and killed by the damn things. We were all laughing at Russians getting droned, but it won't be funny when it's the other way.  Russia has been using drones extensively for a Long time.There’s nothing funny about this war, or any other for that matter. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 4:54:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingsmen: https://abcnews.go.com/International/hospital-sees-30-rise-wounded-ukrainian-soldiers-doctor/story?id=106197525 Is it just me or does this seem kinda bad...? Sounds like Russia has a bunch of their own fpv drones now and that's not going to be good for Ukraine's manpower. So many injured and killed by the damn things. We were all laughing at Russians getting droned, but it won't be funny when it's the other way. It’s reality. If I ever personally laugh about it (which I admit to on occasion) it’s because Nazi invaders are getting what they deserve. But they’re still human, and they still have souls which I hope are forgiven for their sins. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 5:13:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: These are what was in the tweet last week showing what Ukraine was using. Here is a short video of one.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_MJHM1KOcQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDbmTZ6XQAApXim?format=png&name=small
These are what was in the tweet last week showing what Ukraine was using. Here is a short video of one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_MJHM1KOcThanks for this, it's a great capability and the price for entry is really cheap with how they are working it out for the Ukrainian drones. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 5:19:45 PM EST
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Killed ratio 7 to 1 😈😈😈 not Ukrainian 'propaganda' and it can go significantly higher like in Avdiivka Think about it 
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Posted: 1/10/2024 5:32:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingsmen: https://abcnews.go.com/International/hospital-sees-30-rise-wounded-ukrainian-soldiers-doctor/story?id=106197525 Is it just me or does this seem kinda bad...? Sounds like Russia has a bunch of their own fpv drones now and that's not going to be good for Ukraine's manpower. So many injured and killed by the damn things. We were all laughing at Russians getting droned, but it won't be funny when it's the other way. A few things. Russia has been increasing production of FPV drones for a while, and we've talked about it in this thread over the last few weeks and months. It's nothing new. Two, as demonstrated by information I posted yesterday, manpower is an issue for both sides. Russia might be doing better than Ukraine, but, at current force generation levels, they're only getting enough meat to replace losses, not conduct rotations. The fact is, neither side is going to be feeling good two years into a war like this one. There's a lot of doom and gloom about Ukraine (rightly so in many cases), but it's important to note that if Western observers got embedded with Russian units, there would likely be just as many, if not more problems than there are in Ukrainian units. It's also worth noting that a lot of the doomers on the Russian side have shut the fuck up in light of Girkin's misfortune, so we're missing out on that perspective. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 5:35:40 PM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2024 5:48:30 PM EST
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Some interesting data analysis by Tochnyi. They are a loose collection of some of the best OSINT sources on Twitter including German Aid, John Ridge, Andrew Perpetua, Colby Badwhar, and a few others. Obviously, OSINT is by no means the end all be all, so take it for what it's worth. That being said, they put up some statistics on FPV drone usage by both sides and Lancets by the Russians. It should be noted that the main shortcoming of the study is that it's hard to know what percentage of the strikes are actually successful, as only the successful ones are usually shown. The Ukrainians claim about 60% for both sides, but the Russians interestingly claim 10% for the Ukrainians. That would be interesting, because that would mean there are actually way more Ukrainian drones being produced if this data represents only 10% of what they send out. Here are some of their conclusions:
1. Speculation from around spring of 2023 that Russia would achieve dominance in the production of FPV and Lancet drones has not translated into numerically superior numbers of combat strikes. Despite this, some might argue that Russia is yet to use its FPV stocks and has in fact retained this weaponry in storage. Nevertheless, in an attritional war such as this one, any low-cost, widely available weapon that can destroy high-value targets should be expected to be utilized when needed by either side. This rationale was evidenced in Ukraine’s heavy use of its own FPV drones, due particularly to its notable lack of large caliber mortar and artillery shells. 2. The Russian Lancet drone has not proved as effective as previously thought. It is clearly capable against lightly armored vehicles and valuable equipment such as radar. However, both its cost and Ukraine’s effective use of decoys to neuter this threat have seen it become a less practical strike option than cheaper FPVs. 3. Ukraine has demonstrated the capability of consistently delivering FPV drones to the front line. However, more are clearly needed to save their own stocks of artillery shells, currently used parsimoniously, for future offensive maneuvers. It is also important to highlight that the Ukrainian army has been successful in consistently training new FPV operators, as it managed previously for operators of older drone types. This will likely lead to Ukraine’s retention of such dominance and a lower likelihood of it losing experienced drone operators, whose Russian opposite numbers are a primary target for Ukrainian FPV drone strikes. To conclude, amongst the Kremlin’s most effective and consistent weapons in its arsenal has been propaganda and its influence on both Ukraine and her western allies. Nonetheless, a careful examination of reliable, existing, data exists as a means to counteract this particular weapon, enabling the observer to see through a fog of war which Moscow would prefer to see opaque. Interestingly, they separately also made some other remarks. First, Perpetua is of the opinion that Russia is using FPVs to hit bunkers, sometimes using 20 to 30 drones on the same structure. He says that this causes the Ukrainians to retreat, but not take casualties other than concussions. He says that the Ukrainians are using them to hit vehicles, which results in Russian casualties, but the Russians aren't as sensitive to those. Essentially, both sides are using them correctly for the purpose of the task. The main author who is an expert on drone systems says that claims of Russians industrializing FPV production aren't real, at least not yet. He says both sides are doing it at the hobbyist level, but the Russians are still behind in terms of final assembly. He thinks the soldering work on Russian FPV drones is poor right now. The Russians are also lagging behind less than they did before, but they aren't at Ukrainian levels either, counter to perception. Lastly, they are also saying that a lot of claims on Russia significantly outproducing FPV drones is based on anecdotes (they said something about a Ukrainian officer claiming a 7:1 advantage in drones in his sector, but people have started using that as a basis for all analysis of FPV drones). Once again, I think it's important to note the limitations of these sorts of analysis, but it is an interesting, somewhat optimistic perspective. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 5:50:04 PM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2024 6:01:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: Some interesting data analysis by Tochnyi. They are a loose collection of some of the best OSINT sources on Twitter including German Aid, John Ridge, Andrew Perpetua, Colby Badwhar, and a few others. Obviously, OSINT is by no means the end all be all, so take it for what it's worth. That being said, they put up some statistics on FPV drone usage by both sides and Lancets by the Russians. It should be noted that the main shortcoming of the study is that it's hard to know what percentage of the strikes are actually successful, as only the successful ones are usually shown. The Ukrainians claim about 60% for both sides, but the Russians interestingly claim 10% for the Ukrainians. That would be interesting, because that would mean there are actually way more Ukrainian drones being produced if this data represents only 10% of what they send out. Here are some of their conclusions: Interestingly, they separately also made some other remarks. First, Perpetua is of the opinion that Russia is using FPVs to hit bunkers, sometimes using 20 to 30 drones on the same structure. He says that this causes the Ukrainians to retreat, but not take casualties other than concussions. He says that the Ukrainians are using them to hit vehicles, which results in Russian casualties, but the Russians aren't as sensitive to those. Essentially, both sides are using them correctly for the purpose of the task. The main author who is an expert on drone systems says that claims of Russians industrializing FPV production aren't real, at least not yet. He says both sides are doing it at the hobbyist level, but the Russians are still behind in terms of final assembly. He thinks the soldering work on Russian FPV drones is poor right now. The Russians are also lagging behind less than they did before, but they aren't at Ukrainian levels either, counter to perception. Lastly, they are also saying that a lot of claims on Russia significantly outproducing FPV drones is based on anecdotes (they said something about a Ukrainian officer claiming a 7:1 advantage in drones in his sector, but people have started using that as a basis for all analysis of FPV drones). Once again, I think it's important to note the limitations of these sorts of analysis, but it is an interesting, somewhat optimistic perspective. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: Some interesting data analysis by Tochnyi. They are a loose collection of some of the best OSINT sources on Twitter including German Aid, John Ridge, Andrew Perpetua, Colby Badwhar, and a few others. Obviously, OSINT is by no means the end all be all, so take it for what it's worth. That being said, they put up some statistics on FPV drone usage by both sides and Lancets by the Russians. It should be noted that the main shortcoming of the study is that it's hard to know what percentage of the strikes are actually successful, as only the successful ones are usually shown. The Ukrainians claim about 60% for both sides, but the Russians interestingly claim 10% for the Ukrainians. That would be interesting, because that would mean there are actually way more Ukrainian drones being produced if this data represents only 10% of what they send out. Here are some of their conclusions: 1. Speculation from around spring of 2023 that Russia would achieve dominance in the production of FPV and Lancet drones has not translated into numerically superior numbers of combat strikes. Despite this, some might argue that Russia is yet to use its FPV stocks and has in fact retained this weaponry in storage. Nevertheless, in an attritional war such as this one, any low-cost, widely available weapon that can destroy high-value targets should be expected to be utilized when needed by either side. This rationale was evidenced in Ukraine’s heavy use of its own FPV drones, due particularly to its notable lack of large caliber mortar and artillery shells. 2. The Russian Lancet drone has not proved as effective as previously thought. It is clearly capable against lightly armored vehicles and valuable equipment such as radar. However, both its cost and Ukraine’s effective use of decoys to neuter this threat have seen it become a less practical strike option than cheaper FPVs. 3. Ukraine has demonstrated the capability of consistently delivering FPV drones to the front line. However, more are clearly needed to save their own stocks of artillery shells, currently used parsimoniously, for future offensive maneuvers. It is also important to highlight that the Ukrainian army has been successful in consistently training new FPV operators, as it managed previously for operators of older drone types. This will likely lead to Ukraine’s retention of such dominance and a lower likelihood of it losing experienced drone operators, whose Russian opposite numbers are a primary target for Ukrainian FPV drone strikes. To conclude, amongst the Kremlin’s most effective and consistent weapons in its arsenal has been propaganda and its influence on both Ukraine and her western allies. Nonetheless, a careful examination of reliable, existing, data exists as a means to counteract this particular weapon, enabling the observer to see through a fog of war which Moscow would prefer to see opaque. Interestingly, they separately also made some other remarks. First, Perpetua is of the opinion that Russia is using FPVs to hit bunkers, sometimes using 20 to 30 drones on the same structure. He says that this causes the Ukrainians to retreat, but not take casualties other than concussions. He says that the Ukrainians are using them to hit vehicles, which results in Russian casualties, but the Russians aren't as sensitive to those. Essentially, both sides are using them correctly for the purpose of the task. The main author who is an expert on drone systems says that claims of Russians industrializing FPV production aren't real, at least not yet. He says both sides are doing it at the hobbyist level, but the Russians are still behind in terms of final assembly. He thinks the soldering work on Russian FPV drones is poor right now. The Russians are also lagging behind less than they did before, but they aren't at Ukrainian levels either, counter to perception. Lastly, they are also saying that a lot of claims on Russia significantly outproducing FPV drones is based on anecdotes (they said something about a Ukrainian officer claiming a 7:1 advantage in drones in his sector, but people have started using that as a basis for all analysis of FPV drones). Once again, I think it's important to note the limitations of these sorts of analysis, but it is an interesting, somewhat optimistic perspective. Great find and analysis.      |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 6:28:10 PM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2024 7:10:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Yep. There are factions within the Intel and Diplomatic communities that enforce stability of the current geopolitical set at all costs due to the fear of "instability". This allows the "realists" to play their silly little geopolitical chess games with little regard for morality, long-term interests, or often the facts on the ground. In the Western diplomatic community, there was a huge push to maintain the GDR as a thing after the fall of the Wall, despite the fact that a small industrial state roughly the size of Ohio with the markets for all of it's internationally uncompetitive industries swept away had virtually no chance of long-term survival or independent recovery. During roughly the same period, elements within State and the Intel communities were propping up Noriega in Panama in contravention to official US policy, to the point that Bush I was forced to send in the Rangers, 82nd and 5th ID as well US forces in Panama to permanently solve the issue once and for all; a case where internal policy disputes went "hot". Let's not even mention the diplomatic shenanigans regarding Iraq before, during, and after the first Gulf War, or the emerging shitshow of the era in the soon-to-be-former Yugoslavia. The problem is that the clowns who played the stupid games have been "large and in-charge" of Deep State institutional policies since roughly 2007 and have no reason to reexamine their core doctrines as they have not been held accountable for any of their failures, since all they have to do is yell "Neocon" at anyone who disagrees with them. While I am not a fan of actual "Neocons" and their unrealistic, unsustainable, one-worlder corporate worldview and policies that can only be temporarily propped up with the bayonets (and bodies) of American troops, "Neocon" has become the new "Nazi" as a slander of anyone who criticizes our current pseudo-"realist" foreign policy establishment. Fuck all those assholes to hell! |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 7:29:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: A few things. Russia has been increasing production of FPV drones for a while, and we've talked about it in this thread over the last few weeks and months. It's nothing new. Two, as demonstrated by information I posted yesterday, manpower is an issue for both sides. Russia might be doing better than Ukraine, but, at current force generation levels, they're only getting enough meat to replace losses, not conduct rotations. The fact is, neither side is going to be feeling good two years into a war like this one. There's a lot of doom and gloom about Ukraine (rightly so in many cases), but it's important to note that if Western observers got embedded with Russian units, there would likely be just as many, if not more problems than there are in Ukrainian units. It's also worth noting that a lot of the doomers on the Russian side have shut the fuck up in light of Girkin's misfortune, so we're missing out on that perspective. Russia didnt just find a bunch of drones with thermal in a basement. China IS delivering them. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 7:34:01 PM EST
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 RUSSIAN WRECK: Autumn Offensive Fails - Ukraine War Map Update 10/Jan/2024 |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 7:47:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Meant to post yesterday but had family drama again to deal with offline https://www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric-ato/3811078-training-of-f16-maintenance-personnel-continues-in-ukraine-defense-ministry.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_2063_jpeg-3089295.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_2062_jpeg-3089296.JPG That is a lot to of prep and work for 40 some jets that may or may not last a year. Obviously it puts Ukraine in a better position to interact with NATO forces long term. But for all of 2023 there has been zero indication there will be any more F16s for 2024 or even 2025. It seems the west has no concept that donating a few dozen pieces of armor or jets is basically short term consumables and it is kind of ridiculous to donate so few yet require 18 months ramp up when half likely will not last six months unless they are relegated to safe queen status like the mighty Abrams. It’s a tragic joke. I’m sure Vlad appreciates the goodwill gesture. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 7:52:34 PM EST
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 Tetyana Denford - 20 Days in Mariupol Documents the Struggle of People in a Beseiged Ukrainian City. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 8:24:18 PM EST
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POLITICO: Breton aims for ‘huge’ €100B defense fund.
BRUSSELS — Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton wants to set up a massive €100 billion EU defense fund, he said on Tuesday. He's slated to present the European Defence Investment Program (EDIP) on February 27, a cash pot aimed at boosting joint weapons procurement and putting the EU on more of a war footing by ramping up domestic arms and ammunition production. "I believe we have to have a huge defense fund to help to accelerate, even probably in the amount of €100 billion," Breton, who's also in charge of defense, said at an event hosted by the liberal Renew Europe group at the European Parliament. Breton proposed a 100 billion EUR fund aimed at boosting European arms production and joint procurement. While there are already existing European defense funds, the ones meant to support Ukraine have struggled with getting derailed by internal vetoes. As we all know, Orban for example has blocked a good chunk of the available funds. It appears like this money is going to be spent in Europe, though, which would likely face less opposition than the money going to Ukraine directly. The ramp up in production would still certainly benefit Ukraine, but less directly. How likely this project is to succeed remains to be seen. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 8:30:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Russia didnt just find a bunch of drones with thermal in a basement. China IS delivering them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: A few things. Russia has been increasing production of FPV drones for a while, and we've talked about it in this thread over the last few weeks and months. It's nothing new. Two, as demonstrated by information I posted yesterday, manpower is an issue for both sides. Russia might be doing better than Ukraine, but, at current force generation levels, they're only getting enough meat to replace losses, not conduct rotations. The fact is, neither side is going to be feeling good two years into a war like this one. There's a lot of doom and gloom about Ukraine (rightly so in many cases), but it's important to note that if Western observers got embedded with Russian units, there would likely be just as many, if not more problems than there are in Ukrainian units. It's also worth noting that a lot of the doomers on the Russian side have shut the fuck up in light of Girkin's misfortune, so we're missing out on that perspective. Russia didnt just find a bunch of drones with thermal in a basement. China IS delivering them. I wouldn't be too sure about that. Components, maybe. Whole vehicles, maybe not (other than DJI units that they'll sell to anybody). We've already seen reports that the Chicoms have been supplying both sides. They'll pretty much sell to anybody with money. What they won't do, at least at this point, is sell/give the rooskies components and avionics that have sanctioned items inside. ChinaIsAsshoe won't take the risk. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 9:48:08 PM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2024 9:53:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThanks for the links as always. This one goes back to the missing leg one - sounded interesting if you have the right link. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 10:04:15 PM EST
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Hero of Russia Major Yakubov returned to the special operation zone
The serviceman has been at the front since April 2022, during which time he was wounded three times DONETSK, January 11. /TASS/. Russian serviceman, Hero of Russia Yaroslav Yakubov returned to the special military operation zone. “Rest is not for me,” the major said in an interview with TASS. “I have been in service for a long time, I returned to my guys in the special operation zone. As always, I am fulfilling my assigned tasks at the front.” Yakubov has been in the Northern Military District zone since April 2022. He took part in combat operations in the busiest and most difficult sectors of the front. He was wounded three times, one of the wounds was accompanied by a severe concussion. On December 8, 2023, a ceremony was held in the St. George Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace to mark the Day of Heroes of the Fatherland. Russian President Vladimir Putin took part in the ceremony. 15 military personnel received state awards from the hands of the head of state - senior sergeant Maxim Devyatov, junior sergeant Dmitry Eremin, senior lieutenant Eduard Kazymov, private Alexander Kornilov, sergeant Yuri Mizerny, senior sergeant Alexander Mikhailov, lieutenant colonel Dashibal Munkozhargalov, sergeant Ilyas Mukhamedeev, captain Mikhail Polushkin, senior Sergeant Maxim Potashev, Senior Lieutenant Ilya Sponyakov, Junior Sergeant Nikolai Kharchenko, Lieutenant Colonel Sultan Khashegulgov, Colonel Andrey Shelest, Major Yakubov. https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/19704273 |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 10:15:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Thanks, guess I just want them to die like in the movies, y'know grab their chest, scream "I'm hit!" and fall over obviously dead. If you have killed very many medium to large sized animals. you know that is not how it works. I have seen many deer operate for a while without heart in working order or seemingly much blood still in them. Central Nervous System hits seem to do the instantaneous thing, but body hits seldom put them on the ground instantly. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 10:29:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: If you have killed very many medium to large sized animals. you know that is not how it works. I have seen many deer operate for a while without heart in working order or seemingly much blood still in them. Central Nervous System hits seem to do the instantaneous thing, but body hits seldom put them on the ground instantly. I honestly think that's a very large part of the criticism that 5.56 gets. People have watched too many movies, and expect someone to instantly drop or get sent flying across the room when shot "center mass," when that's not realistic at all (well, that and guys who can't shoot for shit and blame 5.56 for their inability to shoot). Barring a CNS hit, nothing guarantees immediate fight ending effects. With a CNS hit, most anything guarantees immediate fight ending effects. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 11:03:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: I honestly think that's a very large part of the criticism that 5.56 gets. People have watched too many movies, and expect someone to instantly drop or get sent flying across the room when shot "center mass," when that's not realistic at all (well, that and guys who can't shoot for shit and blame 5.56 for their inability to shoot). Barring a CNS hit, nothing guarantees immediate fight ending effects. With a CNS hit, most anything guarantees immediate fight ending effects. Definitely. We’ve seen footage of people dismembered and even blown in half and still very functional. Even a one inch hole through someone would be comparatively minor. CNS is where it’s at. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 11:03:58 PM EST
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Short video of Russian presidential candidates asking if they intend to win. The last one is great.
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Posted: 1/10/2024 11:12:38 PM EST
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“Life Capsule” with eight slabs of concrete stacked on top of it.
 "Capsule of Life": Ukrainian created a mini-shelter Inventor Sergei Zakharin had been thinking about making a shelter for several years, but in July last year he decided to create a “Life Capsule”. This is a prefabricated steel structure designed for installation in apartments, private houses, office buildings and premises where it is not possible to install a monolithic structure. There are two sheltered options: for three and six people. The Life Capsule can withstand 99% of debris and small fragments, but it is not designed to withstand a direct hit. Capsule dimensions: ▫️length 2.1 m; ▫️height 2.1 m; ▫️width: 1.1 m for 3 people and 1.4 m for 6 people; ▫️material – steel 5 mm; ▫️weight 750 kg and 850 kg respectively; The cost of the “Life Capsule” is 70,000 UAH. https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/86065 |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 11:52:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: “Life Capsule” with eight slabs of concrete stacked on top of it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/IMG_4044-3089725.jpg "Capsule of Life": Ukrainian created a mini-shelter Inventor Sergei Zakharin had been thinking about making a shelter for several years, but in July last year he decided to create a “Life Capsule”. This is a prefabricated steel structure designed for installation in apartments, private houses, office buildings and premises where it is not possible to install a monolithic structure. There are two sheltered options: for three and six people. The Life Capsule can withstand 99% of debris and small fragments, but it is not designed to withstand a direct hit. Capsule dimensions: ▫️length 2.1 m; ▫️height 2.1 m; ▫️width: 1.1 m for 3 people and 1.4 m for 6 people; ▫️material – steel 5 mm; ▫️weight 750 kg and 850 kg respectively; The cost of the “Life Capsule” is 70,000 UAH. https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/86065 im not even sure what im looking at? Im reading the words, but not seeing the words in the picture, lol
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Posted: 1/10/2024 11:58:37 PM EST
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Posted: 1/11/2024 12:13:13 AM EST
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 "We lose 90% of our Heavy Equipment" Russian Blogger Admits! |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 12:16:42 AM EST
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I’m in the process of listening to Chris Miller’s “The War Came to Us”. Really good.
Miller had worked and travelled in Ukraine with the Peace Corps previously, and then reported in Crimea during the 2014 invasion. He interviewed a woman outside Belbek airbase during the standoff who said “my husband and I both kinda prefer Russia, but we decided since he took an oath to defend Ukraine, he’s going to stay inside and defend the base”. Wives brought food at night and threw it over the wall because there wasn’t food inside. Anyway, at some point he met Oleksandr Turchynov, the acting Prime Minister and President after Yanukovich was impeached, and they kept in touch. When Miller went back to UA years later, he tracked him down. He was on the front lines in some capacity, possibly as a chaplain. Miller asks him something like “why the government didn’t do more to counter Russia in 2014”. Turchynov makes the claim that while he was acting as both the President and Prime Minister, the entire country of Ukraine had $10,000. When protestors heard Yanukovich had fled, they went to his estate, and it was so ridiculous it’s a national park now, as a memorial to corruption. Turchynov says they went to the defense contractors and said something like “we hardly have anything, we are totally on our own, and we’re basically at war with Russia”. And that was what prompted the development of Neptune. And speaking of, the reason they used two Neptunes and Bayraktar TB2s on the Moskva was because they’d already taken a shot at another ship with functional air defense, and it was shot down. Anyway, pretty interesting book. |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 12:24:00 AM EST
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⚡️Front-line report for the morning 01/11/2024⚡️
In the Zaporozhye direction, the overall picture has not changed significantly. After shelling, the Russian Armed Forces attacked west of the village of Rabotino. In turn, the Ukrainian Armed Forces carried out similar actions at Verbovoy. Russian long-range weapons operated on Ukrainian positions in Kamenskoye, Pyatikhatki, Malaya Tokmachka, Belogorye, Charovnoye and Krasnoye. The Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked the Russian Armed Forces in Zherebyanki, Kopany, Novoprokopovka and Dorozhnyanka. (Fig. 1) On the Donetsk front, Russian troops advanced southwest of Novomikhailovka. The settlement itself is under powerful artillery and air strikes. Russian units, with the support of long-range weapons, attacked in the area of Georgievka, Nevelskoye, Severny (a settlement west of Avdeevka), the city itself in the area of a coke plant from the northeast and controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine Novobakhmutovka (a settlement of the same name east of the Russian Armed Forces). Ukrainian positions in Konstantinovka (not to be confused with the settlement of the same name southwest of Bakhmut), Pobeda and Keramika are under fire. Russian ones - in Slavny, Donetsk, Vodyanoy and the village of Krasnogorovka. (Fig. 2) In the Bakhmut direction, the Russian Armed Forces, with artillery support, attacked on the heights northwest of Kleshcheevka and in the Bogdanovka area. Ukrainian positions in Andreevka, Grigorovka, Sporny and Verkhnekamensky are under attack. Russian ones are in Bakhmut, Yagodny, Berkhovka and Yakovlevka. (Fig. 3) https://t.me/wargonzo/17546 ❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Highlights of Russian Military Operation in Ukraine on January 9 - 10 ▪️In recent days, Russian troops have been intensively launching pinpoint strikes against targets in Kharkiv. One of the targets of the latest attack were barracks on the outskirts of the city. ▪️In addition, cruise missiles hit targets in Dnipro and Kriyyi Rih. According to preliminary data, the targets were enemy industrial facilities in the region. ▪️Ukrainian forces resumed drone strikes on Russia's rear regions.In Oryol, a local oil depot and an apartment building were damaged, and three people were injured. ▪️Another drone attack was carried out by the enemy on the Kursk region. One drone was shot down in the skies over Kurchatov, and three more were shot down in the skies over Kursk. ▪️On the front line west of Bakhmut, Russian units are taking offensive actions in the direction of Chasiv Yar. Paratroopers have finally cleared the cemetery south of Bohdanivka, knocking out the remnants of Ukrainian forces. ▪️The Russian army also achieved some success in the South Donetsk direction. Near Novomikhailivka, the Russian Armed Forces expanded their zone of control in the Solenenka gully, bypassing the settlement from the south. ▪️In the Orikhiv sector, Russian units are regaining their previously lost positions west of Robotyne. At the same time, the AFU counterattacked north of Novoprokopivka, managing to take several strongholds at the cost of heavy losses. #digest #Russia #Ukraine #video https://t.me/rybar/55815 #Summary for the morning of January 11, 2024 ▪️At night, the Russian Armed Forces launched missile strikes against targets in Kharkov and Krivoy Rog. Sources from Kharkov report that warehouses and deployment points of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been hit. ▪️In the Kherson direction, the enemy, despite the losses, does not abandon his intentions to expand his presence on our bank of the Dnieper. In the rear areas of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, they are moving personnel and equipment, the specifications of which indicate a possible increase in the enemy’s efforts to cross the Dnieper. In Krynki, the Ukrainian Armed Forces marines somewhat “spread” around the village in search of surviving shelters. ▪️On the Zaporozhye front, battles near Rabotino and Verbovoy for landings and strongholds. Artillery and drones strike from both sides. Our paratroopers near Verbovoy carry out assaults on enemy trenches using armored vehicles. The enemy is trying to counterattack with small groups of infantry. ▪️At Staromayorsky on the Vremevsky ledge there are positional battles. Combat operations are linked to the use of reconnaissance and attack UAVs. ▪️South of Maryinka near Novomikhailovka, the Russian Armed Forces, after several weeks of fighting on the outskirts of the village, began to bypass it from the south. The enemy recognizes the advance of our troops and announces the transfer of their reserves to the front. ▪️In the Avdeevsky direction on the southern flank there is a tactical advance of our forces near the settlement. Pervomayskoe. On the northern ledge of the front there are battles near Stepovoy, and actions at the Coke and Chemical Plant do not stop. ▪️West of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) - battles in Bogdanovka, in the Khromovo area (cemetery area) and near Kleshcheevka. ▪️In Serebryansky forestry, the enemy’s attempts to counterattack and push back the Russian Armed Forces after our successful advance were unsuccessful. ▪️In the Kupyansky direction, the most intense actions are taking place near Sinkovka. The initiative remains with the Russian Army, heavy fighting is underway. A video of the defeat of our column of armored vehicles, which ran into an artillery ambush and minefields in December 2023, went viral on the Internet. ▪️In the morning, three enemy UAVs were intercepted over the Rostov, Tula and Kaluga regions. At the same time, two aircraft-type UAVs were shot down at night and over the Kamensky district of the Rostov region. In the Bryansk region, villages were shelled. Lemeshovka, Sevsky district, Azarovka, Starodubsky municipal district, Podyvotye, Sevsky district, a civilian was wounded. The attacks on the Belgorod region do not stop. In the DPR, a civilian in Gorlovka was killed by Nazi fire, and a woman was injured in Donetsk by a drop from a UAV. The summary was compiled by: Two majors https://t.me/dva_majors/32641 |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 1:56:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: Thanks for the links as always. This one goes back to the missing leg one - sounded interesting if you have the right link. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: Thanks for the links as always. This one goes back to the missing leg one - sounded interesting if you have the right link. I fixed it. |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 2:14:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Posted: 1/11/2024 6:56:29 AM EST
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Posted: 1/11/2024 7:10:49 AM EST
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Posted: 1/11/2024 7:18:47 AM EST
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Ha! After the recent Swedish comments on defence the Russians are accusing Sweden of being a war monger
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Posted: 1/11/2024 7:48:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: Aikibiker]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: im not even sure what im looking at? Im reading the words, but not seeing the words in the picture, lolQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Prime: “Life Capsule” with eight slabs of concrete stacked on top of it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/IMG_4044-3089725.jpg "Capsule of Life": Ukrainian created a mini-shelter Inventor Sergei Zakharin had been thinking about making a shelter for several years, but in July last year he decided to create a “Life Capsule”. This is a prefabricated steel structure designed for installation in apartments, private houses, office buildings and premises where it is not possible to install a monolithic structure. There are two sheltered options: for three and six people. The Life Capsule can withstand 99% of debris and small fragments, but it is not designed to withstand a direct hit. Capsule dimensions: ▫️length 2.1 m; ▫️height 2.1 m; ▫️width: 1.1 m for 3 people and 1.4 m for 6 people; ▫️material – steel 5 mm; ▫️weight 750 kg and 850 kg respectively; The cost of the “Life Capsule” is 70,000 UAH. https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/86065 im not even sure what im looking at? Im reading the words, but not seeing the words in the picture, lolIt's a small bomb shelter. We had them all over in Iraq. I imagine they are putting them out for civilians to duck into if they are out and about and an attack happens. What I want to know more about are the prefab shelters made to go into the trench works they are building now. Looks like they are made of corrugated metal and are meant to be a drop in shelter/living accommodation for trenches. Should be dry, warm, and rodent proof. Something like that if made in large numbers should greatly reduce non-combat casualties from trench warfare. Some youtuber had a real quick blurb about them recently and the idea is intriguing to me. |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 7:51:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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 Russian sources: ✍️⚡️On the situation in the Novomikhailovka area on January 9 - analysis from @Multi_XAM and @z_arhiv This post is a response to a request from subscribers from a specific department. In recent days, many resources - both ours and the enemy's - have written that Russian military formations have retreated south of Novomikhailovka. In many ways, the situation around this settlement now resembles the battles for Kleshcheevka last summer, when the line of contact between the parties changed daily. Despite the fact that on the approaches to Novomikhailovka from the southern side most of the plantings are under us, it is premature to talk about complete control of the site. The Ukrainian Armed Forces stronghold, which covered the entrance to the settlement from the south-eastern side (📍47.850057, 37.514291), was taken, which allowed us to gain a foothold. However, to the south of the route on the flank the enemy bunker has not yet been knocked out, which prevents reserves from being brought up to this area. On the southern front - in the area of the cemetery, the Sintezprodservice enterprise and the MTF - there are enemy firing positions, the distance from which to our front end is from half a kilometer to two. The area is mostly open, and only to the south, about 2.5-3 km below, the elevation difference provides shelter. The situation is really difficult. In the central part of the village, enemy surveillance equipment is still functioning, which have not yet been knocked out, despite the intensity of the attacks, incl. with the involvement of the Russian Aerospace Forces. The enemy holds the defense here with the 145th and 146th battalions of the 116th separate air defense brigade, as well as the 2nd air assault battalion of the 79th separate air assault brigade. To the north-west, a large enemy supporter at the point with coordinates 📍47.84214442, 37.44791990, as well as the height (📍47.83821899, 37.45452260), make it difficult to carry out coverage. ✅ To compare assessments of the situation, we draw maps of our “colleagues” and like-minded people from the @z_arhiv channel, as well as Ukrainian resources: 📩 DeepstateUA, Ukraine Control Map and the French OSINT project 👥 Pouletvolant. https://t.me/z_arhiv/25763 The information is still being clarified, but one of the fairly reliable sources claims that the Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked in the Orlyanskoye area and captured 1.7 sq. km https://t.me/motopatriot/18386 |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 7:59:42 AM EST
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Posted: 1/11/2024 8:14:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: IMO frag effect on people is hard to judge visually from a drone spotter. It’s probably better to look at burst distance and any cover to judge whether they likely collected frag. The video that brought that home to me was one of K2 Battalion in Bakhmut. IIRC it was “Battle of T-shape”. They dropped arty and mortars on a Russian assault unit of 20-30 people and from the drone spotter it looked pretty questionable whether they wounded more than 2-3 Russians. Then they filmed ground level with clean-up infantry which made it obvious the Russians were just butchered. Body parts here and there, dudes torn in half, bloody dressings everywhere. Humans are the squishiest thing on the battlefield. Seems odd though that the drone dropped grenades don't do more damage to the squishies. This latest one took like 5 grenades to finally dead the guy. |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 8:22:14 AM EST
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Russian internet slapfight, reposted by Wagner affiliated “Grey Zone”
🤬 The amazing rudeness of military correspondent Lisitsyn https://t.me/evgeniy_lisitsyn/8097 So I saw this video and choked on such impudence. It turns out that the Cossacks were the first to break through Popasnaya’s defenses. No, I have all due respect to the Platovites. They followed the attack aircraft of the Wagner PMC and took positions in Novlalexandrovka, Boguslavsky and the oporniks we occupied after the guys moved on. But you, friends, like your dear brothers from “Akhmat” with your Lords and Martynovs, did not storm and break through, but followed those who stormed and broke through. And when the Wagner captured prisoners during the assault, they were then handed over to the commandant’s office. And it was here that the Cossacks and Akhmatova’s men took pictures of them tormenting an already helpless and unarmed enemy, thereby lowering the dignity of their fighters and demotivating the surrender of subsequent soldiers. When Lisitsyn is reminded in the comments about the Wagner PMC, he states that he allegedly used only his own footage and footage from drones of the 6th regiment. And here he simply openly lies, passing off someone else’s as his own. In the video you can see, among other things, footage of the “Wagner” work. And they were not removed by the 6th Regiment at all, so why Lisitsyn substituted the unit with which he worked is absolutely unclear. Perhaps he just thinks that there is no one to grab his hand. This is how the word “military correspondent” becomes obscene at the front. By the way, it was then that the world finally began to learn that “musicians”, in addition to navigators, also have tanks, artillery, air defense, and even aviation - and everything in between. This made it possible to work comprehensively from reconnaissance, artillery preparation and aviation work to the actual assault and occupation of positions. Wagner never took credit for the achievements of others. Neither Mariupol, nor Kherson, nor any Kamyshevakha. So you guys, have a conscience. Otherwise, the hour is uneven, your conscience will fuck you. @quantumad https://t.me/quantumad/456 https://t.me/grey_zone/21864 |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 8:22:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Meant to post yesterday but had family drama again to deal with offline https://www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric-ato/3811078-training-of-f16-maintenance-personnel-continues-in-ukraine-defense-ministry.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_2063_jpeg-3089295.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_2062_jpeg-3089296.JPG |
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