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Link Posted: 2/29/2024 6:24:36 PM EDT
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15 years ago intel like this would have been top secret. Today it's just a few clicks away and accessable for everyone who is interested.



Link Posted: 2/29/2024 6:27:46 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/29/2024 6:32:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Capta:

The fact that they’re willing to suffer consequences regardless, doesn’t mean there are no consequences.
That is a political tactic to test the west’s will, not an indication of either NATO’s or their military potential, which is declining every day.
I personally applaud their will to continue paying any price.  And paying, and paying, and paying.
This is about grinding Russia to powder.
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Russia knows it cant stop or back down now, Putin would absolutely lose control. He's all in for good or bad. hopefully bad.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 6:39:35 PM EDT
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Now that is more fucking like it!!!
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 6:50:28 PM EDT
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This is the best visual explanation of the Russian mindset & direction they are headed except at a much slower pace.


Link Posted: 2/29/2024 6:57:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By absael:
I can't count the number of times I've said that.  But not only do they not seem to be slowing down, they're continuing to launch offensives and gain ground.  It's fucking maddening.

I'm reminded of the Norse myth from Gylfaginning, in which Thor tried to empty a horn, not realizing that the other end was submerged in the sea.


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In context, look at the whole line, and see just how much they got for thousands of lives, and dozens of pieces of equipment. It is a speck for a tremendous loss.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 7:02:26 PM EDT
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BMP-3 autoloader animation
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 7:05:56 PM EDT
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Time to start hitting airbases, depots, refineries, and important assets.

Link Posted: 2/29/2024 7:21:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:
The alternative is dropping to their knees. What do you suggest?
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I don't have good options for them either. I posed this to a Ukraine skeptic a long time ago in another thread: they fight or they die (or they run away to be refugees in western Europe).
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 7:23:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fadedsun:
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Send ATACMs now!!!
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 7:45:26 PM EDT
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Their hottest fighter needed an escort?  Interesting.
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They probably had cameras trained on it to see if anything broke or fell off.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 7:54:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



I think that is about to stop soon, Russia can't afford to lose 50+ million dollar aircraft and their pilots every day like this.  The glide bombing will stop for awhile after today.  Then the Russians will tell their pilots they have the Ukrainian air defenses sorted out and that they are no longer at risk when they attempt their glide bombing.  The next round of glide bombing will start in a region, and in a few days Ukrainian forces will have something set up to kill 2 or 3 of the aircraft that are shuttle bombing the front lines.

If the Russians are stupid, rinse and repeat this trend until the F-16's arrive in June to a much weakened Russian air force.
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Originally Posted By Capta:
Originally Posted By Prime:
What the fuck  


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHe5PzWXEAAFHQE?format=jpg&name=large

🔥 Today, February 29, is a date that occurs once every four years, but it is already a familiar day for Russians with the loss of another plane.

Minus ⚠️ Su-34 in the Eastern direction!
Thanks for the work!

🇺🇦 Victory on earth is forged in heaven!
➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖
🇺🇦 Commander of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Mykola Oleschuk


https://t.me/kpszsu/11253

At this point I’m going with what I suggested - they have S200 hybrid systems nuking fighters from orbit 200KM out.
Besides that, I did wonder how they got a thermal pic of the SU that was probably downed well behind the lines

And yet, Russian air force is maintaining aerial bombing of Ukrainian positions at the front. So however much success Ukrainian air defense is having recently, it's not enough. Russia currently has the edge on air power, and are inflicting serious damage with it.

Good thing those ancient S200s are working well, because they need'em.



I think that is about to stop soon, Russia can't afford to lose 50+ million dollar aircraft and their pilots every day like this.  The glide bombing will stop for awhile after today.  Then the Russians will tell their pilots they have the Ukrainian air defenses sorted out and that they are no longer at risk when they attempt their glide bombing.  The next round of glide bombing will start in a region, and in a few days Ukrainian forces will have something set up to kill 2 or 3 of the aircraft that are shuttle bombing the front lines.

If the Russians are stupid, rinse and repeat this trend until the F-16's arrive in June to a much weakened Russian air force.



Russia is apparently getting ready to mass produce MIG-35s. Not as nice as the Flankers but seemingly they must have secured the ability/supply chain needed to mass manufacture new aircraft. That might be why they are using them more now compared to 2023.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 8:08:22 PM EDT
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Remember during WWII when the Germans  "merchant raiders" concealed guns on what appeared to be domestic freighters?

A modern version could be a fake registered freighter or tanker which could launch maritime drones against NORK ammo ships in international waters.

Same for Iranian cargo planes and air assets from a floating launch platform.

For the right money there are organizations that would do it for you.  

Crimp the resupply.  

Link Posted: 2/29/2024 8:21:16 PM EDT
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Check out that excellent casualty care, which, in this conflict is an admittedly low bar.

Link Posted: 2/29/2024 8:22:41 PM EDT
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In Nizhny Novgorod Dzerzhinsk, the Sverdlov plant, which produces explosives, was allegedly attacked

Local residents write about the sounds of loud explosions and suspect a drone attack.


https://t.me/sotaproject/75641


‼️Two claps were caught on camera
https://t.me/nnzhest/10292


https://vk.com/wall-149226469_94282

Comments on this thread from locals
https://vk.ru/wall-149226469_94240?reply=94323

Link Posted: 2/29/2024 8:22:57 PM EDT
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Russia is apparently getting ready to mass produce MIG-35s. Not as nice as the Flankers but seemingly they must have secured the ability/supply chain needed to mass manufacture new aircraft. That might be why they are using them more now compared to 2023.
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Didn't they make the first ones of those about 25 years ago?
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 8:33:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By doc540:
What are the small, black spheres in the bottom of the inflatable boat allegedly ambushed by the orcs?



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They look like 50cal links to me but who knows.

edit:beat. sorry
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 8:42:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcantu:

Didn't they make the first ones of those about 25 years ago?
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Russia is apparently getting ready to mass produce MIG-35s. Not as nice as the Flankers but seemingly they must have secured the ability/supply chain needed to mass manufacture new aircraft. That might be why they are using them more now compared to 2023.

Didn't they make the first ones of those about 25 years ago?


Try 47 years ago.

It’s a MIG29 with “upgraded” electronics.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 8:45:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis:


Try 47 years ago.

It’s a MIG29 with “upgraded” electronics.
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Originally Posted By mcantu:
Originally Posted By Flogger23m:



Russia is apparently getting ready to mass produce MIG-35s. Not as nice as the Flankers but seemingly they must have secured the ability/supply chain needed to mass manufacture new aircraft. That might be why they are using them more now compared to 2023.

Didn't they make the first ones of those about 25 years ago?


Try 47 years ago.

It’s a MIG29 with “upgraded” electronics.


It is also enlarged slightly, and has 4 pylons per wing.



Avionics are better but still Russian.

Seemingly they are expensive relative to the Flankers, but perhaps Russia is trying to figure out what can be done as cheaply and quickly as possible.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 8:57:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Flogger23m:



Russia is apparently getting ready to mass produce MIG-35s. Not as nice as the Flankers but seemingly they must have secured the ability/supply chain needed to mass manufacture new aircraft. That might be why they are using them more now compared to 2023.
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Originally Posted By Flogger23m:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Originally Posted By Capta:
Originally Posted By Prime:
What the fuck  


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHe5PzWXEAAFHQE?format=jpg&name=large

🔥 Today, February 29, is a date that occurs once every four years, but it is already a familiar day for Russians with the loss of another plane.

Minus ⚠️ Su-34 in the Eastern direction!
Thanks for the work!

🇺🇦 Victory on earth is forged in heaven!
➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖
🇺🇦 Commander of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Mykola Oleschuk


https://t.me/kpszsu/11253

At this point I’m going with what I suggested - they have S200 hybrid systems nuking fighters from orbit 200KM out.
Besides that, I did wonder how they got a thermal pic of the SU that was probably downed well behind the lines

And yet, Russian air force is maintaining aerial bombing of Ukrainian positions at the front. So however much success Ukrainian air defense is having recently, it's not enough. Russia currently has the edge on air power, and are inflicting serious damage with it.

Good thing those ancient S200s are working well, because they need'em.



I think that is about to stop soon, Russia can't afford to lose 50+ million dollar aircraft and their pilots every day like this.  The glide bombing will stop for awhile after today.  Then the Russians will tell their pilots they have the Ukrainian air defenses sorted out and that they are no longer at risk when they attempt their glide bombing.  The next round of glide bombing will start in a region, and in a few days Ukrainian forces will have something set up to kill 2 or 3 of the aircraft that are shuttle bombing the front lines.

If the Russians are stupid, rinse and repeat this trend until the F-16's arrive in June to a much weakened Russian air force.



Russia is apparently getting ready to mass produce MIG-35s. Not as nice as the Flankers but seemingly they must have secured the ability/supply chain needed to mass manufacture new aircraft. That might be why they are using them more now compared to 2023.

Eh, getting “ready to produce them” is probably a lot more notional than not.
They won’t get many if any into production in the time scale of Round One, say the next 2-3 years.  I’d agree that they probably do intend to do it and that it indicates that there will be a worse Round Two.
On the other hand, a bunch of Mig-35 targets should make for quite a few F-35 aces.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 9:04:13 PM EDT
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Note for the "moderator": This is not an attempt to derail the thread, the video shows some interesting details about the current drone development and what we can expect in the near futur.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pEqyr_uT-k

Up to 350 km/h (220mph).

That's some really scary shit.

Right now there is no way to defend yourself against a high speed drone like this.


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Worthy side-bar. The new designs will be amazing and horrifying.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 9:06:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis:


Try 47 years ago.

It’s a MIG29 with “upgraded” electronics.
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Originally Posted By Flogger23m:



Russia is apparently getting ready to mass produce MIG-35s. Not as nice as the Flankers but seemingly they must have secured the ability/supply chain needed to mass manufacture new aircraft. That might be why they are using them more now compared to 2023.

Didn't they make the first ones of those about 25 years ago?


Try 47 years ago.

It’s a MIG29 with “upgraded” electronics.



Draken still has some mothballed Mig 21s near my workplace
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 9:08:26 PM EDT
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Worthy side-bar. The new designs will be amazing and horrifying.
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
Note for the "moderator": This is not an attempt to derail the thread, the video shows some interesting details about the current drone development and what we can expect in the near futur.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pEqyr_uT-k

Up to 350 km/h (220mph).

That's some really scary shit.

Right now there is no way to defend yourself against a high speed drone like this.


Note for the "moderator": This is not an attempt to derail the thread, the video shows some interesting details about the current drone development and what we can expect in the near futur.


Worthy side-bar. The new designs will be amazing and horrifying.


Great video.
It just needs AI and a payload and... I'll be in the basement.

Link Posted: 2/29/2024 9:10:50 PM EDT
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Machinegun belt links?  

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Originally Posted By doc540:
What are the small, black spheres in the bottom of the inflatable boat allegedly ambushed by the orcs?



https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/ukraine_boat4-3144932.png


Machinegun belt links?  




That is what it looks like, and matches the empty casings there too.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 9:10:54 PM EDT
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Russia is apparently getting ready to mass produce MIG-35s. Not as nice as the Flankers but seemingly they must have secured the ability/supply chain needed to mass manufacture new aircraft. That might be why they are using them more now compared to 2023.
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Mass produce as in 1 per year?
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 9:12:51 PM EDT
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⚡️ France 🇫🇷 ordered 100 Delair drones for Ukraine 🇺🇦
▪️ #Франція ordered the Defense Forces of Ukraine 100 drones manufactured by the French company #Delair . This company is considered one of the world's leading manufacturers of UAVs. Ukraine will receive this equipment already in the summer of 2024, the Minister of Defense of the country Sebastian Lecornu said. The minister emphasized that in general the French military-industrial complex will receive an order for the production of 2,000 such drones - later this equipment will be received by the armies of France and Ukraine.





Link Posted: 2/29/2024 9:17:50 PM EDT
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Yup. They cant suffer over 400K casualties KIA and WIA not to mention a large part of their vehicles, aircraft and back out now. The war has taken on a life of it's own now and they will keep pounding away until they cannot. Then they will try to buy time with bullshit negotiations.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 9:18:20 PM EDT
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FEBRUARY 23, 2024

CNAS Responds: Two Years of War in Ukraine
By: Richard Fontaine, Stacie Pettyjohn, Becca Wasser, Nicholas Lokker, John Hughes, and Edward Fishman



Saturday, February 24, marks the sobering occasion of two years since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. In preparation for the anniversary, CNAS experts analyze the many impacts the conflict has had on global security and reflect on its broader implications.

All quotes may be used with attribution. To arrange an interview, email Alexa Whaley at [email protected].

Richard Fontaine, Chief Executive Officer:

Ukraine’s future is today more tenuous than at any point since the war’s first days. I made a 1300-mile trip around the country this month and saw both extraordinarily resilience and the effects of Russian savagery. Ukrainians suffer bombardment, huge losses at the front, and uncertainty about their international support. The vast majority wish to continue the fight. They are, in the words of one local official, tired but not exhausted.

Ukrainians know they can’t do it alone. As missiles fall and troops winter in trenches, all eyes look west, not east, to see if the United States will stand fast. Washington’s debate on aid to Ukraine, entangled as it is with border policy and presidential politics, has become for that country a matter of survival. In more than two years of war, Vladimir Putin has not broken Ukrainian will. Abandonment by the United States could achieve what Putin never has.

Calls to defend the rules-based international order tend to provoke eye-rolling derision these days. So too do descriptions of America’s indispensability in the face of global problems. Yet Putin’s attempt at forcible conquest, if ultimately successful, would augur a new and more dangerous era. In a world awash with trouble, and with huge demands on American resources, the stakes in Ukraine remain very high – and perhaps unique. Our political leaders would do well to treat them that way.

Stacie Pettyjohn, Senior Fellow and Program Director, Defense Program:

As we approach the two-year anniversary of the war in Ukraine, the current state of the drone battle generally reflects the state of the conflict overall. Ukraine continues to out innovate Russia, but Moscow’s ability to mass produce military and do-it-yourself (DIY) drones has leveled the playing field. My report, Evolution Not Revolution traces the development of drone warfare in Ukraine and explains how Ukraine has lost its initial three-to-one advantage in drones. Because most of the drones in Ukraine are commercially derived systems, the technology has quickly diffused to the enemy and has not provided an enduring advantage to either side. Throughout the war, there have been rapid cycles of adaptation as both sides have learned from each other, adopting tactics and technologies that have been used successfully and developing counters to improve their defenses. The proliferation of commercial and DIY drones in Ukraine has made the frontlines extremely lethal. As defense is dominant, it is difficult for Ukrainian and Russian forces to move or mass, and thus to achieve tactical surprise or to go on the offensive.

The United States and European nations should help Ukraine regain its edge in drone warfare to turn the tide of the conflict. First, Congress should pass the Ukraine supplemental appropriation to enable Ukraine to acquire American-made drones and other critical capabilities like 155mm artillery ammunition. Ukraine’s drone spotters enable imprecise indirect fire weapons to have precision effects, but they still need large stockpiles of shells to hold off Russian attacks and eventually to regain the initiative. Second, the United States and Europe should facilitate Ukraine’s development of software that would enable first-person view (FPV) drones to have autonomous terminal guidance. One area where Russian forces have consistently lagged is incorporating commercially derived software into its weapons and operations. Thus, semi-autonomous FPV drones with terminal guidance could offer Ukraine a significant capability that is less likely to be quickly copied. Third, the United States and Europe should help Ukraine’s drone industry to develop by providing financial resources and helping to source the commercial and military subcomponents needed for drones. Ukraine has a flourishing drone industry, but it consists of hundreds of small startups that cannot meet the battlefield demands or the million-drone goal laid out by President Zelenskyy. The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense should pick the top drones in each class and scale production of these systems.

Becca Wasser, Senior Fellow, Defense Program:

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine laid bare that America was no longer the arsenal of democracy it once was. The U.S. defense industrial base (DIB) is beset with hard-to-fix problems related to its fragile structure, limited capacity, brittle supply chains, dwindling stocks and materials, and regulatory challenges. These issues were amplified by the sudden need to arm and sustain the Ukrainian military in a protracted, attrition-heavy fight against Russia.

Two years on, the United States has managed to overcome some of these problems, but new challenges have emerged. The good news is that the DIB has increased its production capacity of 155 mm artillery and other in-demand munitions such as air defenses. U.S. production lines of 155 mm artillery are expected to expand further to reach the monthly production goal of 100,000 shells by 2025. The bad news is that this is only for a few types of munitions and progress has not been replicated for other weapons systems. Significant challenges remain to rightsizing the U.S. DIB to meet the demands of the current strategic environment, which includes arming both the U.S. military and allies and partners for a myriad of threats.

But the biggest challenge has come from congressional dysfunction and a lack of political will. Congress has not passed yearly appropriations bills, resulting in multiple continuing resolutions. While these have avoided a federal shutdown, they have stymied increased defense production of key equipment for Ukraine and held up multi-year procurement contracts that would send a steady demand signal to industry. Congress has also dithered in passing the latest request for supplemental funding for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan, as members of the Republican party have become increasingly resistant to additional assistance for Ukraine. Consistent funding is needed to bolster the DIB, as the supplemental funding would allow for longer-term contracts to support Ukraine and replenish U.S. stockpiles. More importantly, consistent weapons deliveries and continued political support is required to help Ukraine push back Russian aggression now and, in the months, ahead.

Nicholas Lokker, Research Associate, Transatlantic Security Program:

Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 set in motion a fundamental shift in the outlook of the European Union (EU). EU leaders, now forced to think strategically, have changed course on various policies to best support Kyiv. The bloc’s promise to admit Ukraine as a member marks the resuscitation of its long-stagnant enlargement process, generating political momentum that has also translated into accelerated integration of other fragile EU neighbors including Moldova, Georgia, and the Western Balkan nations. Meanwhile, leading EU member states such as Germany and France that previously attempted to engage Russia have broken economic and political ties, committing to a new approach aimed at containing Moscow’s aggressive and imperialist tendencies. Finally, Brussels has stepped up its efforts on defense, instituting numerous novel programs designed to facilitate joint production and transfer of arms for Ukraine.

But while the European Union’s increasingly strategic thinking is encouraging, European support alone is unlikely to be sufficient to keep Russia from prevailing in Ukraine. Continued transatlantic cohesion is vital—and the United States worryingly now appears to be the West’s weakest link.

John Hughes, Adjunct Senior Fellow, Energy, Economics, and Security Program:

As the Ukraine War enters its third year, the U.S. and allies to continue to shift the sanctions focus from expansion to enforcement of existing measures. Executive Order 14114, issued last December, provides a powerful new tool to further these efforts by exposing foreign financial institutions to potential secondary sanctions risks for facilitating certain Russia-related transactions, so expect the U.S. government to utilize this tool in the days ahead. At the same time, incidents such as the death of Alexei Navalny still have the potential to provide impetus for policymakers to do more on the sanctions front than may have been expected, with the potential for new measures to come as a result. Medium-term, the focus will shift to a political one, with the upcoming U.S. presidential election likely to be pivotal in how far the U.S. continues to lean into the use of the sanctions tool.

Edward Fishman, Adjunct Senior Fellow, Energy, Economics, and Security Program:

From the start of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the West has leaned on sanctions and export controls as a primary component of its policy response. Two years on, these tools are starting to show their limits—especially when wielded in a limited manner. In the first months of the war, the United States and its allies unleashed an ambitious and far-reaching economic pressure campaign on Russia, including sanctions on the country’s largest banks and curbs on high-tech exports. But the West’s early decision to refrain from aggressively targeting Russia’s oil sales—the lifeblood of the Russian economy—watered down the impact of all the other penalties. While the West immobilized hundreds of billions of dollars of Russia’s central bank reserves, it simultaneously allowed Russia to amass hundreds of billions of fresh dollars selling oil. The price cap, initiated almost 10 months into the war, helped rectify this problem, but it didn’t solve it. Unfortunately, the policy lacks the teeth it needs to truly put a lid on the price of Russian oil: namely, the threat of secondary sanctions.

The absence of secondary sanctions as a backstop for the technology export controls has also been problematic. After an initial dip, Russia’s imports of high-tech goods from the West rebounded in 2023, largely on account of reexports through third countries. It turns out the West can’t count on export controls to enforce themselves. In an ideal world, every U.S. ally would have the requisite regulatory muscle to enforce its own export controls. But that’s simply not the case, so the best bet is for the United States to play a global enforcement role through the threat of secondary sanctions. Late last year, the Biden administration signaled that it plans to pivot to this approach, but it will take time to see the results. And in the interim, Russia continues to benefit from Western technology.

Pressure from sanctions is never static. Targets adapt, so absent consistent and meaningful escalation, pressure eases over time. The United States and the European Union have staked a lot in the success of the economic pressure campaign against Russia. They are saying the right things about the need for tougher enforcement and, in some instances, doing them. But to make a real difference, the West will need to show willingness to incur more risk—taking steps that could cause turbulence in oil markets and friction with diplomatic partners. Unless the West proactively strengthens sanctions in year three of the war, their impact will continue to underwhelm.  

To learn more about CNAS’s ongoing work on the Russia-Ukraine War, please visit the Transatlantic Security Program.


https://www.cnas.org/press/press-note/2-years-of-ukraine

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Great video.
It just needs AI and a payload and... I'll be in the basement.

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No kidding!! At that speed, no need for any HE. Just a kinetic kill would work. Maybe make 1/4 sized ones armed with a 357 or 12GA bang-stick head.
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When do they buy an Ohio SSBN and a field of Minuteman III's?

Bout all that is left for Poland to buy.
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Needs more Pershing 2s.
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No kidding!! At that speed, no need for any HE. Just a kinetic kill would work. Maybe make 1/4 sized ones armed with a 357 or 12GA bang-stick head.
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I just wanna say that we probably shouldn't be thinking of how to make actual terminators.  AI drones that can autonomously target and kill humans seem like a bad idea and then some.  We could be looking at the birth of a new type of wmd.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 10:16:59 PM EDT
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Russia proving they still have Su-34s


Su-34 crews destroyed a concentration of manpower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the help of FAB-500

The use of the FAB-500 with universal planning and correction modules (UMPK) allows you to strike at the enemy with maximum accuracy, without entering the zone of destruction of his anti-aircraft guns.

2024-03-01 05:00:01

© Photo: Russian Ministry of Defense
© Video: Russian Ministry of Defense


Su-34 fighter-bombers of the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) destroyed a concentration of enemy manpower in the South Donetsk direction in the special operation zone. Their work was shown by the Russian Ministry of Defense by publishing a video.

During combat sorties, the crews of the Su-34 struck with high-explosive aerial bombs (FAB-500) at concentrations of personnel and strongholds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The targets were successfully hit. After the strike, the fighter-bombers returned to the departure airfield.

Thanks to the use of the FAB-500 with universal planning and correction modules (UMPK), as well as the correction of drone strikes, our fighters manage to achieve maximum accuracy. At the same time, in order to strike, they do not have to enter the zone of destruction of enemy anti-aircraft guns.

Earlier, Su-25 attack aircraft struck the strongholds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with S-13 Tulumbas missiles. They hit the enemy's manpower without even entering the zone of destruction of his anti-aircraft guns.

The material was prepared by Anastasia Bobyleva and Nikolay Baranov.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/202431448-JNnbT.html

Link Posted: 2/29/2024 10:20:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By absael:


Why TF can't the Biden administration grow a set and issue a similar statement?  



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I’m convinced they don’t want Russia defeated. The snotty drive by SMEs we’ve had in this thread alluded to being afraid of “second and third order effects” if their pet Russians are humiliated.what the administration wants is “balance” same goes for Israel vs Iran and militant Islam. No clear winner or loser just a balance of forces no matter how much carnage entails.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 10:22:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kingsmen:

I just wanna say that we probably shouldn't be thinking of how to make actual terminators.  AI drones that can autonomously target and kill humans seem like a bad idea and then some.  We could be looking at the birth of a new type of wmd.
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I think it's coming and coming fast.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 10:37:31 PM EDT
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I think it's coming and coming fast.
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At about 200 mph

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Link Posted: 2/29/2024 10:57:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kingsmen:

I just wanna say that we probably shouldn't be thinking of how to make actual terminators.  AI drones that can autonomously target and kill humans seem like a bad idea and then some.  We could be looking at the birth of a new type of wmd.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

No kidding!! At that speed, no need for any HE. Just a kinetic kill would work. Maybe make 1/4 sized ones armed with a 357 or 12GA bang-stick head.

I just wanna say that we probably shouldn't be thinking of how to make actual terminators.  AI drones that can autonomously target and kill humans seem like a bad idea and then some.  We could be looking at the birth of a new type of wmd.

What one likes or doesn’t like is irrelevant.  It’s going to happen within our lifetimes.  Kamikaze attacks were a huge wakeup call to me that humans just don’t have the sensors or reactions needed to deal with what’s coming.
If anything it’s an argument to smash Russia and China now, before it does get to the point of actual terminators being churned out in Chinese factories.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 10:59:35 PM EDT
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My brain hurts.
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An interesting observation about the specifics of the Javelin by the RF tank crews. This phenomenon applies only to T-80 tanks. The missiles hit 2 main points - the heated gun barrel and the exhaust manifold grill, which in tanks with gass turbine is also very hot. As a result, the tanks were damaged, but in most cases were not destroyed (penetration of up to 300 mm after hiting with the barrel). The T-72 (T-90) series do not have this feature - they get more serious damage or are destroyed.
On photos, the missile coming from above, it is quite obvious that it is a "Javelin".















Link Posted: 2/29/2024 11:07:11 PM EDT
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I’m convinced they don’t want Russia defeated. The snotty drive by SMEs we’ve had in this thread alluded to being afraid of “second and third order effects” if their pet Russians are humiliated.what the administration wants is “balance” same goes for Israel vs Iran and militant Islam. No clear winner or loser just a balance of forces no matter how much carnage entails.
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Originally Posted By absael:


Why TF can't the Biden administration grow a set and issue a similar statement?  





I’m convinced they don’t want Russia defeated. The snotty drive by SMEs we’ve had in this thread alluded to being afraid of “second and third order effects” if their pet Russians are humiliated.what the administration wants is “balance” same goes for Israel vs Iran and militant Islam. No clear winner or loser just a balance of forces no matter how much carnage entails.

It likely won’t matter anyways, because confrontation will be forced by further miscalculation by Putin or his replacement.  History is full of wars being started due to completely erroneous “reasoning”.  And I’m not even talking about straight lies.  At some point Putin will take our lack of deterrent action as opportunity and he’ll be wrong.
Same thing with Israel.  The Arabs will keep pushing and pushing because they’ve been saved time and again from the consequences of their decisions.  So they could be forgiven for thinking that they just need to keep pushing to finally exterminate the Jews.  At some point they will be wrong.
In both cases more forceful action earlier could reduce costs for everyone, but that does not appear to be in the cards.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 11:11:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
An interesting observation about the specifics of the Javelin by the RF tank crews. This phenomenon applies only to T-80 tanks. The missiles hit 2 main points - the heated gun barrel and the exhaust manifold grill, which in tanks with gass turbine is also very hot. As a result, the tanks were damaged, but in most cases were not destroyed (penetration of up to 300 mm after hiting with the barrel). The T-72 (T-90) series do not have this feature - they get more serious damage or are destroyed.
On photos, the missile coming from above, it is quite obvious that it is a "Javelin".

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I will just say that Javelin seekers have pattern and shape recognition of the target, and it aims for the center point mostly.  You aren't going to fool it by creating hot spots or other heat sources around your tank.

Depending on the aspect of your tank to the missile, you will get hit from a slant as it dives on you.



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https://gur.gov.ua/content/v-azovskomu-mori-horilo-sudno-okupantiv-rosiiany-zaznaly-vtrat.html

Link Posted: 2/29/2024 11:12:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



I will just say that Javelin seekers have pattern and shape recognition of the target, and it aims for the center point mostly.  You aren't going to fool it by creating hot spots or other heat sources around your tank.
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I thought you might have a vague comment


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Originally Posted By Prime:


I thought you might have a vague comment


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Originally Posted By Prime:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



I will just say that Javelin seekers have pattern and shape recognition of the target, and it aims for the center point mostly.  You aren't going to fool it by creating hot spots or other heat sources around your tank.


I thought you might have a vague comment





There's so much hay to be made with content like that. "Did you know that Ukrainian drones are attracted to chewing gum wrappers?!" That's right Vlad, cover your trees in tiny foil wrappers and you'll be safe from the drone juju!
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 11:20:58 PM EDT
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I thought you might have a vague comment


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I will just say that Javelin seekers have pattern and shape recognition of the target, and it aims for the center point mostly.  You aren't going to fool it by creating hot spots or other heat sources around your tank.


I thought you might have a vague comment




lol, he had a fascinating theory, he just needs more javelin destroyed Russian tanks to look at to see a pattern of how they are getting hit.
Link Posted: 2/29/2024 11:23:23 PM EDT
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🔞 Avdiivka, Russians, just meat...
https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1763320280791818554



Link Posted: 2/29/2024 11:32:22 PM EDT
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There's so much hay to be made with content like that. "Did you know that Ukrainian drones are attracted to chewing gum wrappers?!" That's right Vlad, cover your trees in tiny foil wrappers and you'll be safe from the drone juju!
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



I will just say that Javelin seekers have pattern and shape recognition of the target, and it aims for the center point mostly.  You aren't going to fool it by creating hot spots or other heat sources around your tank.


I thought you might have a vague comment





There's so much hay to be made with content like that. "Did you know that Ukrainian drones are attracted to chewing gum wrappers?!" That's right Vlad, cover your trees in tiny foil wrappers and you'll be safe from the drone juju!



lol, there were rumors that Javelin could be spoofed with heat sources, so some were trying it early in the war.  I sort of wonder where those tanks are now.



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