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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:15:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:43:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:45:01 AM EST
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At this point, we're still seeing Russian units deployed into forward, non-permanent decisions, with more armor moving forward and a bridge being built. IMHO, either the invasion is imminent, or the Russians are pulling some weird Maskirova crap.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:49:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. Depends on what side of the political spectrum you reside in, for the right, it made him look stupid, for the left, it proved what a great strategist, strong leader, 4th dimensional chess player he is. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:49:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. What was preventing him from destroying the evidence before? Why would he store evidence of any wrongdoing at the embassy in the first place? |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 9:59:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: What was preventing him from destroying the evidence before? Why would he store evidence of any wrongdoing at the embassy in the first place? Weren't you the one quoting Biden almost verbatim in another thread? |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:02:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: Weren't you the one quoting Biden almost verbatim in another thread? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: What was preventing him from destroying the evidence before? Why would he store evidence of any wrongdoing at the embassy in the first place? Weren't you the one quoting Biden almost verbatim in another thread? Yes. Are you suggesting I'm a Biden shill? |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:04:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: What was preventing him from destroying the evidence before? Why would he store evidence of any wrongdoing at the embassy in the first place? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: Originally Posted By whollyshite: So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. What was preventing him from destroying the evidence before? Why would he store evidence of any wrongdoing at the embassy in the first place? |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:08:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: It's Russian propaganda. Unfortunately a big chunk of GD will fall for it want to believe it's true. Confirmation bias is a bitch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: Originally Posted By whollyshite: So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. What was preventing him from destroying the evidence before? Why would he store evidence of any wrongdoing at the embassy in the first place? I honestly can't tell if its Russian propaganda or just conspiracy theory from disillusioned nut jobs. Either way its laughably wrong. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:10:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: I honestly can't tell if its Russian propaganda or just conspiracy theory from disillusioned nut jobs. Either way its laughably wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: Originally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: Originally Posted By whollyshite: So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. What was preventing him from destroying the evidence before? Why would he store evidence of any wrongdoing at the embassy in the first place? I honestly can't tell if its Russian propaganda or just conspiracy theory from disillusioned nut jobs. Either way its laughably wrong. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:13:45 AM EST
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It looks like they’re going for the “we have to stop the genocide” angle coming from the old Soviet school of accusing others of that which you are guilty.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:32:47 AM EST
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I wonder how many Ukrainian citizens were killed by indiscriminate shelling done by the separatists and Russians during the same period? What a crock of shit.
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:35:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. Ukraine is surrounded on three sides by Russia's HUGE military and that country oppressed Ukraine for hundreds of years, committed genocide against it resulting in 7-12 million Ukrainians being murdered, and Putin stated that Ukraine is part of Russia and he wants it. WTF is with the "LOL!" crap? |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:40:09 AM EST
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Did this start or is it next wednesday?
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:44:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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"Russia Is Ready for War
15.02.2022 ESTONIAN FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SERVICE - Military pressure and threats of war have become key foreign policy tools for Russia. - Russian forces concentrated on the Ukrainian border pose an immediate threat to Ukraine and an ultimatum to the West. - By the second half of February 2022, Russia has created the conditions and capabilities necessary to launch a large-scale military offensive against Ukraine if the Russian leadership so decides. In autumn 2021 and winter 2022, Russia mobilized 150,000 men on the Ukrainian border, deploying units and capabilities from all its military districts, including the Far East, and all twelve armies. This is the single largest military build-up by Russia in the past 30 years. Russia’s deployment along the Ukrainian border is the single largest military build-up by Russia in the past 30 years. In addition to the three motor rifle divisions, one airborne division and one naval infantry brigade permanently deployed in the region, Russia moved more than 60 motor rifle and tank battalions, some ten Iskander missile battalions and more than 30 artillery and rocket artillery battalions to the border with Ukraine. Russia has set up full logistic support for the force groups, bringing in additional command and rear units and forward-deploying munitions in the Ukrainian direction. The contingent is supported by a regionally dominant air force and Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, equipped with Kalibr missiles. Winter 2021-22 saw a significant upswing in the activities of Russian special services and Spetsnaz units against strategically important targets in Ukraine.  Targets in Ukraine compiled by Russian intelligence that, if neutralized, can interfere with the command, recovery, and supply of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and Ukraine’s energy supply. Russian intelligence also has similar lists for other European countries. Should Russia achieve its goals in Ukraine, political and military pressure on the Baltic states could increase. Russia deployed some 20,000 troops to Belarus as part of its military preparations. A joint exercise, Soyuznaya Reshimost (Allied Resolve) 2022, was organised to justify, or provide a cover for, deploying forces to the neighbouring country. In addition to manoeuvre units, Iskander missile systems and S-400 anti-aircraft systems were also deployed to Belarus for the first time. Units from three airborne divisions and from all airborne brigades arrived in Belarus. In the future, Russia may continue to maintain a rotating force group on Belarusian territory. This would harm the wider security situation in the Baltic Sea region and for NATO, reducing the preparation time for an attack against the Baltic states. In our assessment, the Russian armed forces are ready to embark on a full-scale military operation against Ukraine from the second half of February. Once military readiness has been achieved, only a political decision is required to launch the operation. If Russia chooses war, the level of military threat across Europe will rise. Although war in Ukraine would not pose an immediate military threat to Estonia or NATO, Russia’s political and military pressure on the Baltic states could increase in the long term should Russia achieve diplomatic and/or military success on the Ukraine issue. Even if Russia’s leadership can be persuaded to desist from military aggression, Estonia and other Western countries must prepare for increasingly sustained military pressure from Russia – direct threats of war have become an integral part of the foreign policy of Putin’s Russia over the past year." |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:45:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Ukraine is surrounded on three sides by Russia's HUGE military and that country oppressed Ukraine for hundreds of years, committed genocide against it resulting in 7-12 million Ukrainians being murdered, and Putin stated that Ukraine is part of Russia and he wants it. WTF is with the "LOL!" crap? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. Ukraine is surrounded on three sides by Russia's HUGE military and that country oppressed Ukraine for hundreds of years, committed genocide against it resulting in 7-12 million Ukrainians being murdered, and Putin stated that Ukraine is part of Russia and he wants it. WTF is with the "LOL!" crap? Its sort of like the psycho wife beaters who say “if i cant have you rhen no one will” |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:47:01 AM EST
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Interesting to watch how easily the flow of conversation was changed to "Russia is leaving".
Russia in not leaving but I am impressed at the psyop capabilities |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:51:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Ukraine is surrounded on three sides by Russia's HUGE military and that country oppressed Ukraine for hundreds of years, committed genocide against it resulting in 7-12 million Ukrainians being murdered, and Putin stated that Ukraine is part of Russia and he wants it. WTF is with the "LOL!" crap? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. Ukraine is surrounded on three sides by Russia's HUGE military and that country oppressed Ukraine for hundreds of years, committed genocide against it resulting in 7-12 million Ukrainians being murdered, and Putin stated that Ukraine is part of Russia and he wants it. WTF is with the "LOL!" crap? Some here obviously don't understand the scale of this. This is no logistics training exercise. Putin has every intention of going in Ukraine. Only way putin doesn't if Nato finally puts enough pressure to scare him not to, and chances of that are slim. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:54:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: I don't think anything is going to happen. If it hasn't happened yet it's not going to. This has been a test on Russian logistics and preparation. Or maybe they are waiting for the Olympics to end. Hell I don't know anymore. Wait for US to leave, attack before anyone can react? Think someone said July would be the next decent opportunity Or whatever |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:55:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. I’m confused. Did it make Joe look stupid… …or did Joe claim credit for staring down Putin and averting a war? People here are claiming both. Do we think the Russians will just dump the blood supplies in the dumpster, like they do their war dead? |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:56:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Some here obviously don't understand the scale of this. This is no logistics training exercise. Putin has every intention of going in Ukraine. Only way putin doesn't if Nato finally puts enough pressure to scare him not to, and chances of that are slim. Some are apparently led by whatever the day's headline says. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:56:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Layer60: I have 20 year old girls in Ukraine that I have lost contact with, and the last communication I had with them, they were bailing towards the Polish border, with no cash and credit cards not working. This may help, contact them: US Embassy opens Welcome Center in Przemysl, Poland for Americans leaving Ukraine I will inmail it to you as well. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:57:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Some here obviously don't understand the scale of this. This is no logistics training exercise. Putin has every intention of going in Ukraine. Only way putin doesn't if Nato finally puts enough pressure to scare him not to, and chances of that are slim. Agree. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 10:59:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: I’m confused. Did it make Joe look stupid… …or did Joe claim credit for staring down Putin and averting a war? People here are claiming both. Do we think the Russians will just dump the blood supplies in the dumpster, like they do their war dead? I heard Russian blood lasts longer in storage. The above average BAC has preservative properties 
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:00:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: It looks like they’re going for the “we have to stop the genocide” angle coming from the old Soviet school of accusing others of that which you are guilty. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/4EBB3005-7159-4B39-97AF-0DC61E54C97E_jpe-2281522.JPG Genocide in the area completely occupied and controlled by Russia? Bold strategy, Putin. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:02:04 AM EST
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:09:05 AM EST
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Am I hearing this correctly?
Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter’s illegal activities…in the Embassy computers? 
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:15:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Am I hearing this correctly? Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter's illegal activitiesin the Embassy computers? |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:15:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Layer60: Interesting to watch how easily the flow of conversation was changed to "Russia is leaving". Russia in not leaving but I am impressed at the psyop capabilities It’s amazing how quickly people on this site bought into that propaganda hook like and sinker. Just because Biden is an idiot doesn’t make Putin an honest guy. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:17:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: I wonder how many Ukrainian citizens were killed by indiscriminate shelling done by the separatists and Russians during the same period? What a crock of shit. Or the commercial airliner the Russians shot down |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:22:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: It’s amazing how quickly people on this site bought into that propaganda hook like and sinker. Just because Biden is an idiot doesn’t make Putin an honest guy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: Originally Posted By Layer60: Interesting to watch how easily the flow of conversation was changed to "Russia is leaving". Russia in not leaving but I am impressed at the psyop capabilities It’s amazing how quickly people on this site bought into that propaganda hook like and sinker. Just because Biden is an idiot doesn’t make Putin an honest guy. It was in high gear when Obama was in office - "oBaMA is A liBEraL WhImP, I wISh wE HaD StRonG cHRiSTiAn LEadeR pUTiN aS OuR pRESiDenT hE'D bE fIGHt'En fEr oUr FreeDomS!" |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:24:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: It's amazing how quickly people on this site bought into that propaganda hook like and sinker. Just because Biden is an idiot doesn't make Putin an honest guy. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:25:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Am I hearing this correctly? Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter’s illegal activities…in the Embassy computers? Can you prove that's NOT what happened? 
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:28:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Nothing to report in Berdyansk. The sea of Azov is as beautiful as ever. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Nothing to report in Berdyansk. The sea of Azov is as beautiful as ever. Kind of sad to think your sentiment could be turned to grief if it does become a war zone.  Even had time for a Cappuccino and chocolate filled pastry. 42 Hryvnia = $1.50 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG-53dff80083780575d086369185ef3890-V_j-2281415.JPG Aw man, just when I was sitting here wondering what to have for breakfast.  I'm enjoying the photos of the architecture and the city spaces. Stay safe and keep us posted on any developments. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:29:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Can you prove that's NOT what happened? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Am I hearing this correctly? Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter’s illegal activities…in the Embassy computers? Can you prove that's NOT what happened? Ah…ha! |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:31:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Solace22: Did this start or is it next wednesday? Postponed until Friday. Some logistical issues prevented the Russian tank crews from getting their supply of vodka and Charms, so now it's on for Friday night. Seems like as good a time as any to get it on! |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:31:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: walkinginadangerzone]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Ukraine is surrounded on three sides by Russia's HUGE military and that country oppressed Ukraine for hundreds of years, committed genocide against it resulting in 7-12 million Ukrainians being murdered, and Putin stated that Ukraine is part of Russia and he wants it. WTF is with the "LOL!" crap? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. Ukraine is surrounded on three sides by Russia's HUGE military and that country oppressed Ukraine for hundreds of years, committed genocide against it resulting in 7-12 million Ukrainians being murdered, and Putin stated that Ukraine is part of Russia and he wants it. WTF is with the "LOL!" crap? Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. He'll throw his tantrum by running training exercises by the border in order to get some demands met which probably won't happen. He already has what he wanted, Crimea, DPR, and LPR, to add to his collection of small seized "Republics" I.E. South Ossetia, Transnistria, and Abkhazia. And as far as Putin invading, we'll see. The proclaimed "two weeks" have passed, but I'll give them another "two weeks". As for the "LOL" crap. I can't help but laugh how sudden the change went from one group of die hard believers calling others "underscore=democrat shill" to the new group calling others who have a different opinion "russian trolls, or useful idiots" here in arf. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:33:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. What do you expect from the politicians who called a guy in a buffalo hat frolicking in the capital building an "insurrection"? |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:34:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Am I hearing this correctly? Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter’s illegal activities…in the Embassy computers? Ignorance runs deep in here sometimes... |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:34:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: Klay]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Can you prove that's NOT what happened? All we have to go off of are educated guesses or logical conclusions based on collective knowledge. Let's start off with the assumption Hunter and Joe Biden have done wrong things in Ukraine (I fully believe this). Now that we have that established, we must then figure out where evidence of their crimes would be stored. While I agree both of them are stupid, I do not believe it is logical to assume evidence of wrongdoing would be kept in the US embassy in Ukraine. If you were talking about a specific laptop, then yes I could entertain that idea. But there would be no logical reason for those types of dealings to be stored physically in the US embassy. With all that in mind, there is no way for us to conclusively prove nothing was at the embassy because we don't have access to the embassy. But it makes little sense to assume that is why we would instigate a war between the Russia and Ukraine. If we just wanted to destroy evidence, I am sure agents from some agency could be sent to do that. It wouldn't take a war between two countries. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:47:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. I'm really trying to understand why some members here are so heavily invested in trying to leverage this incident into making Biden and his administration look stupid. And I've noticed some strange motivation to label it things like "hysterical" or "going insane and yelling" when trying to do so as well. You all have really jumped into the Democrat contrarian position feet first which does two things. 1) When Russia actually does invade, because all the actual evidence indicates it's poised to despite Russian propaganda (you're helping spread) to the contrary, it makes Conservatives look stupid and cuts the legs out from under one strength that has always belonged to the right - defense and national security. Congrats you've suddenly managed to make the right look incompetent on it and the left strong. 2) Puts the party that has historically opposed the Soviets/Russia into a position of embracing them. Just because the Democrats say, "Russia is bad," doesn't mean Republicans need to blindly take the opposite tact or that they are wrong. You don't actually think the Dems are going to suddenly start opposing the country that has made them the subversive and destructive force they are at every opportunity from here out, do you? After you suddenly start sucking Putin off, they will too. So rather than diving head first into the shallow end of the pool, trying to make an amateursh and easily outflanked play against the Dems to make them look bad/incompetent in this event, sit back and look at the entire picture rather than just the parts you want to see. Instead of you being the one hysterically screaming about hysterics and bluffs, shut the fuck up and pay attention to what's actually happening. No one is demanding you take a side or that it needs to be the polar opposite of what the Dems say. Pay attention to the actual information coming out from people observing it happen, as opposed to headlines designed to spread propaganda, and wait and see what happens. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:52:19 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. He'll throw his tantrum by running training exercises by the border in order to get some demands met which probably won't happen. He already has what he wanted, Crimea, DPR, and LPR, to add to his collection of small seized "Republics" I.E. South Ossetia, Transnistria, and Abkhazia. And as far as Putin invading, we'll see. The proclaimed "two weeks" have passed, but I'll give them another "two weeks". As for the "LOL" crap. I can't help but laugh how sudden the change went from one group of die hard believers calling others "underscore=democrat shill" to the new group calling others who have a different opinion "russian trolls, or useful idiots" here in arf. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. Ukraine is surrounded on three sides by Russia's HUGE military and that country oppressed Ukraine for hundreds of years, committed genocide against it resulting in 7-12 million Ukrainians being murdered, and Putin stated that Ukraine is part of Russia and he wants it. WTF is with the "LOL!" crap? Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. He'll throw his tantrum by running training exercises by the border in order to get some demands met which probably won't happen. He already has what he wanted, Crimea, DPR, and LPR, to add to his collection of small seized "Republics" I.E. South Ossetia, Transnistria, and Abkhazia. And as far as Putin invading, we'll see. The proclaimed "two weeks" have passed, but I'll give them another "two weeks". As for the "LOL" crap. I can't help but laugh how sudden the change went from one group of die hard believers calling others "underscore=democrat shill" to the new group calling others who have a different opinion "russian trolls, or useful idiots" here in arf. "Others" are also called ignorant for a poor understanding of history. Putin wants Ukraine, period. His Plan A failed when Kremlin-plant Yanukovych was thrown out. This is Plan B, and it doesn't end with his retard (and communist by the way) "separatists" "controlling" parts of the Donbass and Russia openly controlling Crimea. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:55:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. Except there's zero basis in reality for what you just typed. They don't just bluff. They have actually invaded 2 sovereign nations under no other pretext than expansionism in very recent history, one of which is now facing further takeover. Putin wanted to invade them and did actually get it with no outside opposition or serious repercussions. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:57:11 AM EST
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:58:17 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Klay: All we have to go off of are educated guesses or logical conclusions based on collective knowledge. Let's start off with the assumption Hunter and Joe Biden have done wrong things in Ukraine (I fully believe this). Now that we have that established, we must then figure out where evidence of their crimes would be stored. While I agree both of them are stupid, I do not believe it is logical to assume evidence of wrongdoing would be kept in the US embassy in Ukraine. If you were talking about a specific laptop, then yes I could entertain that idea. But there would be no logical reason for those types of dealings to be stored physically in the US embassy. With all that in mind, there is no way for us to conclusively prove nothing was at the embassy because we don't have access to the embassy. But it makes little sense to assume that is why we would instigate a war between the Russia and Ukraine. If we just wanted to destroy evidence, I am sure agents from some agency could be sent to do that. It wouldn't take a war between two countries. That's what they want you to think |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:58:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: I honestly can't tell if its Russian propaganda or just conspiracy theory from disillusioned nut jobs. Either way its laughably wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: Originally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: Originally Posted By whollyshite: So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. What was preventing him from destroying the evidence before? Why would he store evidence of any wrongdoing at the embassy in the first place? I honestly can't tell if its Russian propaganda or just conspiracy theory from disillusioned nut jobs. Either way its laughably wrong. Lol. Yep. You caught me. 
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:58:37 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Genocide in the area completely occupied and controlled by Russia? Bold strategy, Putin. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By outofbattery: It looks like they’re going for the “we have to stop the genocide” angle coming from the old Soviet school of accusing others of that which you are guilty. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/4EBB3005-7159-4B39-97AF-0DC61E54C97E_jpe-2281522.JPG Genocide in the area completely occupied and controlled by Russia? Bold strategy, Putin. Kinda makes babies getting tossed out of incubators pale in comparison. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 11:59:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: "Others" are also called ignorant for a poor understanding of history. Putin wants Ukraine, period. His Plan A failed when Kremlin-plant Yanukovych was thrown out. This is Plan B, and it doesn't end with his retard (and communist by the way) "separatists" "controlling" parts of the Donbass and Russia openly controlling Crimea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. Ukraine is surrounded on three sides by Russia's HUGE military and that country oppressed Ukraine for hundreds of years, committed genocide against it resulting in 7-12 million Ukrainians being murdered, and Putin stated that Ukraine is part of Russia and he wants it. WTF is with the "LOL!" crap? Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. He'll throw his tantrum by running training exercises by the border in order to get some demands met which probably won't happen. He already has what he wanted, Crimea, DPR, and LPR, to add to his collection of small seized "Republics" I.E. South Ossetia, Transnistria, and Abkhazia. And as far as Putin invading, we'll see. The proclaimed "two weeks" have passed, but I'll give them another "two weeks". As for the "LOL" crap. I can't help but laugh how sudden the change went from one group of die hard believers calling others "underscore=democrat shill" to the new group calling others who have a different opinion "russian trolls, or useful idiots" here in arf. "Others" are also called ignorant for a poor understanding of history. Putin wants Ukraine, period. His Plan A failed when Kremlin-plant Yanukovych was thrown out. This is Plan B, and it doesn't end with his retard (and communist by the way) "separatists" "controlling" parts of the Donbass and Russia openly controlling Crimea. Right, either way the next few months are gonna be hilarious watching the back and forth rhetoric of accusing posters as being russian shills. lol |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:00:31 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: I’m confused. Did it make Joe look stupid… …or did Joe claim credit for staring down Putin and averting a war? People here are claiming both. Do we think the Russians will just dump the blood supplies in the dumpster, like they do their war dead? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By whollyshite: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. So it made Joe look stupid. The good news for him is that he got to destroy any evidence against him that may have been at the US embassy in Ukraine. I’m confused. Did it make Joe look stupid… …or did Joe claim credit for staring down Putin and averting a war? People here are claiming both. Do we think the Russians will just dump the blood supplies in the dumpster, like they do their war dead? I officially have no idea if they're going to invade. Maybe, maybe not. The variables are changing fast. Right now I'm slightly leaning towards invasion, but who knows? |
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