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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:00:38 PM EST
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:01:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Am I hearing this correctly? Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter’s illegal activities…in the Embassy computers?  Quit taking a tongue-in-cheek statement so seriously. Fuck, you're wound up. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:01:40 PM EST
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There's been a constant string of EAM's going out from "Sun Bath" on HF 8992 kHz over the last half hour. HF has actually been pretty quiet lately considering all that is going on. Now another going out as I type this.
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:06:41 PM EST
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This is rich:
When’s ‘our upcoming invasions, I’d like to plan my vacation’: Diplomat mocks US-UK media https://tass.com/world/1404247 Ya know, speaking as an 'older gentleman'... she's actually kinda hot.  Attached File
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:06:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: Cypher214]
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The whole world expected Russia to invade on the 16th.
Why would you initiate operations on the exact date everyone expects? The whole idea that the invasion is off because the media wants a win for Biden is fucking laughable. Russia hasn't actually withdrawn shit and they keep building up their forces. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:07:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: There's been a constant string of EAM's going out from "Sun Bath" on HF 8992 kHz over the last half hour. HF has actually been pretty quiet lately considering all that is going on. Now another going out as I type this. B 4 Z Y 6 Y C V M I L 7 ? Z G T Z 4 ? B C K N 7 N 2 S K O |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:07:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I'm really trying to understand why some members here are so heavily invested in trying to leverage this incident into making Biden and his administration look stupid. And I've noticed some strange motivation to label it things like "hysterical" or "going insane and yelling" when trying to do so as well. You all have really jumped into the Democrat contrarian position feet first which does two things. 1) When Russia actually does invade, because all the actual evidence indicates it's poised to despite Russian propaganda (you're helping spread) to the contrary, it makes Conservatives look stupid and cuts the legs out from under one strength that has always belonged to the right - defense and national security. Congrats you've suddenly managed to make the right look incompetent on it and the left strong. 2) Puts the party that has historically opposed the Soviets/Russia into a position of embracing them. Just because the Democrats say, "Russia is bad," doesn't mean Republicans need to blindly take the opposite tact or that they are wrong. You don't actually think the Dems are going to suddenly start opposing the country that has made them the subversive and destructive force they are at every opportunity from here out, do you? After you suddenly start sucking Putin off, they will too. So rather than diving head first into the shallow end of the pool, trying to make an amateursh and easily outflanked play against the Dems to make them look bad/incompetent in this event, sit back and look at the entire picture rather than just the parts you want to see. Instead of you being the one hysterically screaming about hysterics and bluffs, shut the fuck up and pay attention to what's actually happening. No one is demanding you take a side or that it needs to be the polar opposite of what the Dems say. Pay attention to the actual information coming out from people observing it happen, as opposed to headlines designed to spread propaganda, and wait and see what happens. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. I'm really trying to understand why some members here are so heavily invested in trying to leverage this incident into making Biden and his administration look stupid. And I've noticed some strange motivation to label it things like "hysterical" or "going insane and yelling" when trying to do so as well. You all have really jumped into the Democrat contrarian position feet first which does two things. 1) When Russia actually does invade, because all the actual evidence indicates it's poised to despite Russian propaganda (you're helping spread) to the contrary, it makes Conservatives look stupid and cuts the legs out from under one strength that has always belonged to the right - defense and national security. Congrats you've suddenly managed to make the right look incompetent on it and the left strong. 2) Puts the party that has historically opposed the Soviets/Russia into a position of embracing them. Just because the Democrats say, "Russia is bad," doesn't mean Republicans need to blindly take the opposite tact or that they are wrong. You don't actually think the Dems are going to suddenly start opposing the country that has made them the subversive and destructive force they are at every opportunity from here out, do you? After you suddenly start sucking Putin off, they will too. So rather than diving head first into the shallow end of the pool, trying to make an amateursh and easily outflanked play against the Dems to make them look bad/incompetent in this event, sit back and look at the entire picture rather than just the parts you want to see. Instead of you being the one hysterically screaming about hysterics and bluffs, shut the fuck up and pay attention to what's actually happening. No one is demanding you take a side or that it needs to be the polar opposite of what the Dems say. Pay attention to the actual information coming out from people observing it happen, as opposed to headlines designed to spread propaganda, and wait and see what happens. Excellent post. Many of the pay-triotic news are covered in stories (many re-posted from RT News, TASS, etc.) today which headline about how Putin isn't doing anything and that this is just a military exercise which Putin can legally do to ensure safety for his people and that NATO is trying to start a war with freedom-loving Putin who is resisting the globalists. Funny how such a freedom-loving soul like Putin is allied (includes giving military assistance to some) with: Venezuela, Nicaragua, N. Korea, China, Cuba, etc. - all communist governments or Marxist leaning. Also, you will almost never see an article about Russian sorties flying next to our border in Alaska, Russian subs near our eastern coastline, war gaming with China with the USA as the enemy, etc. BUT they jump on the chance to report how the USA is threatening Russia with ships in the Black Sea, military assistance to NATO, Ukraine, etc.. It's also interesting that many of these sites use pro-2A stories as a honeypot to attract gullible conservatives but never run stories about Putin in favor of gun control, keeping a handgun ban, or restricting gun ownership which he just did last year. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:08:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Right, either way the next few months are gonna be hilarious watching the back and forth rhetoric of accusing posters as being russian shills. lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: This has been a dry run, testing logistics networks and staging points. (1) The Russians have never been that good at logistics, so this has been an invaluable exercise for them (2) It has shown the likely state of response from the west in general (3) Highlighted the divisions within NATO and the EU (4) It has shown the US to be weak and lacking in intelligence insight and further amplified the weakness of the State Dept. and its lack of credibility with its partners and allies - exactly like AFG, over reliance on TECINT and lack of meaningful high quality accurate and precise HUMINT, poor/negligible engagement with allies. (5) Again, the Biden Administration has looked foolish, hysterical at times and proved to be incapable of leading - no one is listening to them because their response is based on political considerations around making Biden look good. (6) Highlighted the inability of the West to act as a cohesive military or political block delivering singular direct and clear messages. (7) 6 - is a function of the dismal leadership in the Western sphere - Scholz, Macron, Johnson and Biden have looked poor. (8) Clear cut, no brainer strategic win to Russia This, it was all just a training exercise after all. lol With this admin going insane and yelling "invasion" at every corner. Ukraine is surrounded on three sides by Russia's HUGE military and that country oppressed Ukraine for hundreds of years, committed genocide against it resulting in 7-12 million Ukrainians being murdered, and Putin stated that Ukraine is part of Russia and he wants it. WTF is with the "LOL!" crap? Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. He'll throw his tantrum by running training exercises by the border in order to get some demands met which probably won't happen. He already has what he wanted, Crimea, DPR, and LPR, to add to his collection of small seized "Republics" I.E. South Ossetia, Transnistria, and Abkhazia. And as far as Putin invading, we'll see. The proclaimed "two weeks" have passed, but I'll give them another "two weeks". As for the "LOL" crap. I can't help but laugh how sudden the change went from one group of die hard believers calling others "underscore=democrat shill" to the new group calling others who have a different opinion "russian trolls, or useful idiots" here in arf. "Others" are also called ignorant for a poor understanding of history. Putin wants Ukraine, period. His Plan A failed when Kremlin-plant Yanukovych was thrown out. This is Plan B, and it doesn't end with his retard (and communist by the way) "separatists" "controlling" parts of the Donbass and Russia openly controlling Crimea. Right, either way the next few months are gonna be hilarious watching the back and forth rhetoric of accusing posters as being russian shills. lol Russian propaganda and Russian talking points associated with Ukraine are very specific and easy to recognize. If someone is speaking them, it is likely that them heard them “somewhere,” and have decided they are worth repeating. They may be aware that they are Russian talking points or not. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:09:05 PM EST
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:09:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: There's been a constant string of EAM's going out from "Sun Bath" on HF 8992 kHz over the last half hour. HF has actually been pretty quiet lately considering all that is going on. Now another going out as I type this. Interesting... |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:15:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Except there's zero basis in reality for what you just typed. They don't just bluff. They have actually invaded 2 sovereign nations under no other pretext than expansionism in very recent history, one of which is now facing further takeover. Putin wanted to invade them and did actually get it with no outside opposition or serious repercussions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. Except there's zero basis in reality for what you just typed. They don't just bluff. They have actually invaded 2 sovereign nations under no other pretext than expansionism in very recent history, one of which is now facing further takeover. Putin wanted to invade them and did actually get it with no outside opposition or serious repercussions. If he doesn't bluff or flex in order to try and get his demands met, then why not invade since the beginning of all this? Why straddle the world along for weeks with back and forth "negotiations"? But as I said above, I'll continue to believe he'll invade for another two weeks. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:16:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: Cypher214]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle:
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:20:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: If he doesn't bluff or flex in order to try and get his demands met, then why not invade since the beginning of all this? Why straddle the world along for weeks with back and forth "negotiations"? But as I said above, I'll continue to believe he'll invade for another two weeks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. Except there's zero basis in reality for what you just typed. They don't just bluff. They have actually invaded 2 sovereign nations under no other pretext than expansionism in very recent history, one of which is now facing further takeover. Putin wanted to invade them and did actually get it with no outside opposition or serious repercussions. If he doesn't bluff or flex in order to try and get his demands met, then why not invade since the beginning of all this? Why straddle the world along for weeks with back and forth "negotiations"? But as I said above, I'll continue to believe he'll invade for another two weeks. That's a question neither of us has the answer to. Only Putin and his command structure. That said we're actively watching Russia continue to put assets into place (while spreading propaganda they aren't) so stands to reason the answer to that potentially is, "Because they're not ready to." So sit back, grab some popcorn, and see what happens. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:27:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle:
No need to ask for an official statement from DoD or Tik Tok video, run with it and see wut happens 
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:29:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Am I hearing this correctly? Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter's illegal activitiesin the Embassy computers? This thread and the Biden hoax thread have become IQ tests. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:30:42 PM EST
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:31:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: If he doesn't bluff or flex in order to try and get his demands met, then why not invade since the beginning of all this? Why straddle the world along for weeks with back and forth "negotiations"? But as I said above, I'll continue to believe he'll invade for another two weeks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. Except there's zero basis in reality for what you just typed. They don't just bluff. They have actually invaded 2 sovereign nations under no other pretext than expansionism in very recent history, one of which is now facing further takeover. Putin wanted to invade them and did actually get it with no outside opposition or serious repercussions. If he doesn't bluff or flex in order to try and get his demands met, then why not invade since the beginning of all this? Why straddle the world along for weeks with back and forth "negotiations"? But as I said above, I'll continue to believe he'll invade for another two weeks. I'll bet you like instant soup better than homemade... Your lack of understanding on how Russian communism and how the Kremlin operates is what is causing you frustration. You think that Putin just wants "security" and that all he wants is no more NATO expansion. He wants Ukraine PERIOD. Piece by piece either with land and/or control of the government. He is wearing everyone out with stress, confusion, and everyone trying to figure him out daily- THERE IS NO NEED TO IF YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT IT IS ABOUT GETTING UKRAINE UNDER HIS CONTROL. Russia will strike when everyone is exhausted mentally over this AND when he has some "justification" that he is protecting "his" people. Remember, his allies need justification as well since they are supporting him AND his "foes" like Germany, France, etc. will need justification to stay out of this/not support Ukraine. A full invasion? I don't think so because he does not have the resources for a many years war to occupy a country of 42 million people who f#cking hate him. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:33:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:That said we're actively watching Russia continue to put assets into place (while spreading propaganda they aren't) so stands to reason the answer to that potentially is, "Because they're not ready to." Sun Tzu 101 - “All warfare is based on deception...when using our forces, we must appear inactive...” So Putin is either being clever and calculating, or perhaps he's just "playing army" one day at a time and judging the world's reaction before making a real move. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:37:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Sun Tzu 101 - "All warfare is based on deception...when using our forces, we must appear inactive..." So Putin is either being clever and calculating, or perhaps he's just "playing army" one day at a time and judging the world's reaction before making a real move. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:That said we're actively watching Russia continue to put assets into place (while spreading propaganda they aren't) so stands to reason the answer to that potentially is, "Because they're not ready to." Sun Tzu 101 - "All warfare is based on deception...when using our forces, we must appear inactive..." So Putin is either being clever and calculating, or perhaps he's just "playing army" one day at a time and judging the world's reaction before making a real move. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:40:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: Quit taking a tongue-in-cheek statement so seriously. Fuck, you're wound up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Am I hearing this correctly? Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter's illegal activitiesin the Embassy computers? Quit taking a tongue-in-cheek statement so seriously. Fuck, you're wound up. There's another thread where people are actually taking it seriously. It's both sad and hilarious. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:41:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: Quit taking a tongue-in-cheek statement so seriously. Fuck, you're wound up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Am I hearing this correctly? Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter's illegal activitiesin the Embassy computers? Quit taking a tongue-in-cheek statement so seriously. Fuck, you're wound up. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:52:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: I'll bet you like instant soup better than homemade... Your lack of understanding on how Russian communism weird, this seems more like Russian expansionism, as I thought communism was an economic ideology. and how the Kremlin operates is what is causing you frustration. You think that Putin just wants "security" and that all he wants is no more NATO expansion. No I don't. I'm sure he wants more than that. After all what dictator is satisfied with a little bit. He wants Ukraine PERIOD. Yes. Piece by piece either with land and/or control of the government. Yes. He is wearing everyone out with stress, confusion, and everyone trying to figure him out daily- THERE IS NO NEED TO IF YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT IT IS ABOUT GETTING UKRAINE UNDER HIS CONTROL. Russia will strike when everyone is exhausted mentally over this AND when he has some "justification" that he is protecting "his" people. Remember, his allies need justification as well since they are supporting him AND his "foes" like Germany, France, etc. will need justification to stay out of this/not support Ukraine. A full invasion? I don't think so because he does not have the resources for a many years war to occupy a country of 42 million people who f#cking hate him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. Except there's zero basis in reality for what you just typed. They don't just bluff. They have actually invaded 2 sovereign nations under no other pretext than expansionism in very recent history, one of which is now facing further takeover. Putin wanted to invade them and did actually get it with no outside opposition or serious repercussions. If he doesn't bluff or flex in order to try and get his demands met, then why not invade since the beginning of all this? Why straddle the world along for weeks with back and forth "negotiations"? But as I said above, I'll continue to believe he'll invade for another two weeks. I'll bet you like instant soup better than homemade... Your lack of understanding on how Russian communism weird, this seems more like Russian expansionism, as I thought communism was an economic ideology. and how the Kremlin operates is what is causing you frustration. You think that Putin just wants "security" and that all he wants is no more NATO expansion. No I don't. I'm sure he wants more than that. After all what dictator is satisfied with a little bit. He wants Ukraine PERIOD. Yes. Piece by piece either with land and/or control of the government. Yes. He is wearing everyone out with stress, confusion, and everyone trying to figure him out daily- THERE IS NO NEED TO IF YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT IT IS ABOUT GETTING UKRAINE UNDER HIS CONTROL. Russia will strike when everyone is exhausted mentally over this AND when he has some "justification" that he is protecting "his" people. Remember, his allies need justification as well since they are supporting him AND his "foes" like Germany, France, etc. will need justification to stay out of this/not support Ukraine. A full invasion? I don't think so because he does not have the resources for a many years war to occupy a country of 42 million people who f#cking hate him. LOL I don't like soup, but I do both rarely. Here, let me help you out a little with what I "believe". |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:53:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: I think the goal may be destabilizing the political situation within Ukraine so that he can eventually get a puppet leader into power. You don't have to fire a shot if you can convince the population to let you rule by proxy. It would just be a return to pre-Maidan conditions for him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:That said we're actively watching Russia continue to put assets into place (while spreading propaganda they aren't) so stands to reason the answer to that potentially is, "Because they're not ready to." Sun Tzu 101 - "All warfare is based on deception...when using our forces, we must appear inactive..." So Putin is either being clever and calculating, or perhaps he's just "playing army" one day at a time and judging the world's reaction before making a real move. Bingo! |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:55:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: To be fair, Hunter is so fried he leaves guns, crack pipes, and LE creds in rental cars, and left a laptop with criminal dealings and him fucking underage hookers at a repair shop and forgot about it, it's not out of the bounds of possibility that he accidentally cc'd child pron and payoff info to a buddy in the local embassy's official email instead of his encrypted private one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Originally Posted By whollyshite: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Am I hearing this correctly? Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter's illegal activitiesin the Embassy computers? Quit taking a tongue-in-cheek statement so seriously. Fuck, you're wound up. There's no doubt that he's a big enough fuck up to do something like that. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:01:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
That's the sort of vehicle you'd want, IF you were going to attack heavy defenses. TOS-1 Wiki entry That's not exactly a sign of peace....... |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:02:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: LOL I don't like soup, but I do both rarely. Here, let me help you out a little with what I "believe". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Yes, and Russia is doing what they always do. Bluff, flex, trying to stir up shit. Nothings changed in regards to that. And just because Putin wants something, doesn't mean he's going to get it. Except there's zero basis in reality for what you just typed. They don't just bluff. They have actually invaded 2 sovereign nations under no other pretext than expansionism in very recent history, one of which is now facing further takeover. Putin wanted to invade them and did actually get it with no outside opposition or serious repercussions. If he doesn't bluff or flex in order to try and get his demands met, then why not invade since the beginning of all this? Why straddle the world along for weeks with back and forth "negotiations"? But as I said above, I'll continue to believe he'll invade for another two weeks. I'll bet you like instant soup better than homemade... Your lack of understanding on how Russian communism weird, this seems more like Russian expansionism, as I thought communism was an economic ideology. and how the Kremlin operates is what is causing you frustration. You think that Putin just wants "security" and that all he wants is no more NATO expansion. No I don't. I'm sure he wants more than that. After all what dictator is satisfied with a little bit. He wants Ukraine PERIOD. Yes. Piece by piece either with land and/or control of the government. Yes. He is wearing everyone out with stress, confusion, and everyone trying to figure him out daily- THERE IS NO NEED TO IF YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT IT IS ABOUT GETTING UKRAINE UNDER HIS CONTROL. Russia will strike when everyone is exhausted mentally over this AND when he has some "justification" that he is protecting "his" people. Remember, his allies need justification as well since they are supporting him AND his "foes" like Germany, France, etc. will need justification to stay out of this/not support Ukraine. A full invasion? I don't think so because he does not have the resources for a many years war to occupy a country of 42 million people who f#cking hate him. LOL I don't like soup, but I do both rarely. Here, let me help you out a little with what I "believe". Thank you for taking the time to clarify. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:03:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
interesting thread Thanks for the updates. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:03:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aswrg7: That's the sort of vehicle you'd want, IF you were going to attack heavy defenses. TOS-1 Wiki entry That's not exactly a sign of peace....... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aswrg7: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
That's the sort of vehicle you'd want, IF you were going to attack heavy defenses. TOS-1 Wiki entry That's not exactly a sign of peace....... That is awesome stuff - the ability to verify where and when. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:04:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: I'll throw this in here because it popped up under the #UkraineCrisis tag on Twitter. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/AdoptUkrainian01_jpg-2281255.JPG  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By Flushdraw: @Easterner Bonus points for pics of Ukrainian women.  I'll throw this in here because it popped up under the #UkraineCrisis tag on Twitter. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/AdoptUkrainian01_jpg-2281255.JPG I'll take two 
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:05:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: I officially have no idea if they're going to invade. Maybe, maybe not. The variables are changing fast. Right now I'm slightly leaning towards invasion, but who knows? |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:06:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Yup. #7 and #8 are very true. I have said FJB/MSM words and actions over the last month or so are almost giving Putin no choice but to invade (from his prospective), or he will look weak. Thanks for the updates. Putin could have maintained status quo instead of moving 70% of his armed forces to Ukraine setting himself up for failure. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:08:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: ChicagoFoodie]
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:15:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I'm really trying to understand why some members here are so heavily invested in trying to leverage this incident into making Biden and his administration look stupid. And I've noticed some strange motivation to label it things like "hysterical" or "going insane and yelling" when trying to do so as well. You all have really jumped into the Democrat contrarian position feet first which does two things. 1) When Russia actually does invade, because all the actual evidence indicates it's poised to despite Russian propaganda (you're helping spread) to the contrary, it makes Conservatives look stupid and cuts the legs out from under one strength that has always belonged to the right - defense and national security. Congrats you've suddenly managed to make the right look incompetent on it and the left strong. 2) Puts the party that has historically opposed the Soviets/Russia into a position of embracing them. Just because the Democrats say, "Russia is bad," doesn't mean Republicans need to blindly take the opposite tact or that they are wrong. You don't actually think the Dems are going to suddenly start opposing the country that has made them the subversive and destructive force they are at every opportunity from here out, do you? After you suddenly start sucking Putin off, they will too. So rather than diving head first into the shallow end of the pool, trying to make an amateursh and easily outflanked play against the Dems to make them look bad/incompetent in this event, sit back and look at the entire picture rather than just the parts you want to see. Instead of you being the one hysterically screaming about hysterics and bluffs, shut the fuck up and pay attention to what's actually happening. No one is demanding you take a side or that it needs to be the polar opposite of what the Dems say. Pay attention to the actual information coming out from people observing it happen, as opposed to headlines designed to spread propaganda, and wait and see what happens. Not exactly sure what your referring to by making Biden's Admin look a certain way...I've not read every post up to this point so I likely either missed it or haven't got there yet. But I would say this whole event is just one of a number of events on-going that does make both the Admin and this country look weak. Weak leader = weak country. Strong leadership puts in check other strong leadership. I'll not get into what would or wouldn't be happening currently with any other leader as it's not what we have and would be pure speculation. Bottom line though- we have weak leadership and this event helped prove that. I have a feeling we agree on the above. If your referring to specific posts using that terminology- I'd take a wild guess that those folks are the same type that always pick the "winning" team even if they deeply despise everything that team stands for just so they can run their suck. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:20:49 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evo7011:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124501/0CD3ADE4-1416-4AAC-8F63-428482C6600E_jpe-2281699.JPG LOL WTF |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:21:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Yup. #7 and #8 are very true. I have said FJB/MSM words and actions over the last month or so are almost giving Putin no choice but to invade (from his prospective), or he will look weak. Thanks for the updates. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
interesting thread Thanks for the updates. I agree with much of what he stated but strongly disagree with #5: Whatever his [Putin's] strange views about Ukraine and Ukrainians, he is not a ravening ethnofascist committed to the end of the Ukrainian nation just because, he is closer to a 19thC-style nationalist imperialist, out to get what he can 5/ This is why I strongly disagree: a) Putin stated MANY times that Ukraine is not a real country b) Putin said that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people c) Putin's puppet, Kremlin-backed Yanukovich instituted revising Ukrainian history with Russian history in schools, changing the national language of Ukrainian to Ukrainian and Russian, etc., as well the stationing of Russian military forces on several Ukrainian military bases d) all Russian advisors and troops destroyed all Ukrainian symbolism in Crimea and are actively persecuting those residents who are Ukrainian for being Ukrainian. e) Russia has tried to erase Ukrainian history, culture, language, and ethnicity for hundreds of years ("19th century-style nationalist imperialist" Russia did this very thing - do a search on the life of Taras Shevchenko who appears on Ukrainian currency) f) Putin has promoted Ukrainian-hating narratives for well over a decade and does ZERO to stop disinformation about Ukrainians in his Kremlin-controlled press g) Putin started an initiative to bring back the city name Stalingrad and denies there is such a thing as the Holodomor genocide of 7-12 million Ukrainians by Stalin |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:21:48 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Am I hearing this correctly? Are people REALLY suggesting that the Embassy destroyed computers, because Joe Biden was storing evidence of his and Hunter’s illegal activities…in the Embassy computers? That's where the Green Berets kept the German Servers (the ones with all the stolen Trump votes that were turned into Biden votes) and the CIA Director they captured. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:22:14 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evo7011:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124501/0CD3ADE4-1416-4AAC-8F63-428482C6600E_jpe-2281699.JPG This just made my day! |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:26:14 PM EST
[#38]
lol
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:27:05 PM EST
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:33:26 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTAC: This just made my day! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTAC: Originally Posted By evo7011:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124501/0CD3ADE4-1416-4AAC-8F63-428482C6600E_jpe-2281699.JPG This just made my day! Highly amusing. I saw the John Travolta one on twitter, hadn't seen the drone one though. Freaking hilarious.
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:36:14 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTAC: Not exactly sure what your referring to by making Biden's Admin look a certain way...I've not read every post up to this point so I likely either missed it or haven't got there yet. But I would say this whole event is just one of a number of events on-going that does make both the Admin and this country look weak. Weak leader = weak country. Strong leadership puts in check other strong leadership. I'll not get into what would or wouldn't be happening currently with any other leader as it's not what we have and would be pure speculation. Bottom line though- we have weak leadership and this event helped prove that. I have a feeling we agree on the above. If your referring to specific posts using that terminology- I'd take a wild guess that those folks are the same type that always pick the "winning" team even if they deeply despise everything that team stands for just so they can run their suck. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTAC: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I'm really trying to understand why some members here are so heavily invested in trying to leverage this incident into making Biden and his administration look stupid. And I've noticed some strange motivation to label it things like "hysterical" or "going insane and yelling" when trying to do so as well. You all have really jumped into the Democrat contrarian position feet first which does two things. 1) When Russia actually does invade, because all the actual evidence indicates it's poised to despite Russian propaganda (you're helping spread) to the contrary, it makes Conservatives look stupid and cuts the legs out from under one strength that has always belonged to the right - defense and national security. Congrats you've suddenly managed to make the right look incompetent on it and the left strong. 2) Puts the party that has historically opposed the Soviets/Russia into a position of embracing them. Just because the Democrats say, "Russia is bad," doesn't mean Republicans need to blindly take the opposite tact or that they are wrong. You don't actually think the Dems are going to suddenly start opposing the country that has made them the subversive and destructive force they are at every opportunity from here out, do you? After you suddenly start sucking Putin off, they will too. So rather than diving head first into the shallow end of the pool, trying to make an amateursh and easily outflanked play against the Dems to make them look bad/incompetent in this event, sit back and look at the entire picture rather than just the parts you want to see. Instead of you being the one hysterically screaming about hysterics and bluffs, shut the fuck up and pay attention to what's actually happening. No one is demanding you take a side or that it needs to be the polar opposite of what the Dems say. Pay attention to the actual information coming out from people observing it happen, as opposed to headlines designed to spread propaganda, and wait and see what happens. Not exactly sure what your referring to by making Biden's Admin look a certain way...I've not read every post up to this point so I likely either missed it or haven't got there yet. But I would say this whole event is just one of a number of events on-going that does make both the Admin and this country look weak. Weak leader = weak country. Strong leadership puts in check other strong leadership. I'll not get into what would or wouldn't be happening currently with any other leader as it's not what we have and would be pure speculation. Bottom line though- we have weak leadership and this event helped prove that. I have a feeling we agree on the above. If your referring to specific posts using that terminology- I'd take a wild guess that those folks are the same type that always pick the "winning" team even if they deeply despise everything that team stands for just so they can run their suck. It's a combination of posts I've seen here and right leaning content elsewhere like popular Twitter accounts, like Maria Bartitomo in a recent segment on on FNC I saw video of, or things like this: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/just-cant-make-joe-biden-starts-spouting-off-russia-invading-ukraines-sacred-border/ There is literally nothing to be gained and everything to lose just taking a Democrat contrarian stance just for the sake of taking a stance on an event. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:40:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay:
Pulling out .mil advisors or spooks? |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:48:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: I think the goal may be destabilizing the political situation within Ukraine so that he can eventually get a puppet leader into power. You don't have to fire a shot if you can convince the population to let you rule by proxy. It would just be a return to pre-Maidan conditions for him. Like the Obama admin in 2014. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:50:23 PM EST
[#45]
More video evidence of Russian troops in an attack formation!
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1494018619851816963?s=20&t=cIfEZBL8Lfb2rut--8hAJA |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:52:28 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: More video evidence of Russian troops in an attack formation! https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1494018619851816963?s=20&t=cIfEZBL8Lfb2rut--8hAJA You being sarcastic? |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:55:23 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: You being sarcastic? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Originally Posted By mnd6563: More video evidence of Russian troops in an attack formation! https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1494018619851816963?s=20&t=cIfEZBL8Lfb2rut--8hAJA You being sarcastic? @58Teague I'll just hijack your convo... Now that you're in here, what's you over/under on an invasion? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:56:51 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evo7011:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124501/0CD3ADE4-1416-4AAC-8F63-428482C6600E_jpe-2281699.JPG LOL |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 1:59:44 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: You being sarcastic? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Originally Posted By mnd6563: More video evidence of Russian troops in an attack formation! https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1494018619851816963?s=20&t=cIfEZBL8Lfb2rut--8hAJA You being sarcastic? Yes, sarcasm. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 2:03:02 PM EST
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China getting in on the propaganda action.....
Supposedly translates to: "For days, the US has been playing up the threat of war and creating an air of tension. This has gravely impacted the economy, social stability and people’s lives in Ukraine, and added obstacles to advancing dialogue and negotiation between parties concerned." |
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