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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LOL! Not exactly. Yanukovych was the "communist lite" Party of Regions candidate which was directly funded by the Kremlin in an orchestrated and corrupt election - The Communist Party of Ukraine (also Kremlin supported) also backed Yanukovych. Paul Manafort was his campaign manager (through his consulting firm) and was paid to get him in on behalf of the Kremlin. When Yanukovych took office, he instituted the takeover for Putin which included (but not limited to): changing school curriculum to reflect Russian history and erase parts of Ukrainian history, changing the national language from Ukrainian to Russian and Ukrainian, cut all military modernization cooperation projects with the USA, etc. and what sparked the revolution to oust the Russian agent Yanukovych was when he stated that Russian troops would occupy several Ukrainian military bases for "cooperation" purposes. At the about same time, Manafort, acting as Trump's campaign manager, attended the Republican National Convention in Cleveland and he and his team stunned the Republican committee when they opened up a meeting calling for the Republican Party's stance on arming Ukraine with lethal high-tech weapons to change from favorable to unfavorable. After Yanukovych was ousted, yes Nuland and company did butt in and manipulate Ukrainian politics (and I did not like that at all), but this is not what caused the ouster of Yanukovych. Afterwards, hundreds of Kremlin-bought Ukrainian agents in the government were thrown out and prosecuted and the Ukrainian Communist Party was disbanded, BUT the Party of Regions still exists - NOTE: former Ukrainian Poroshenko, the Ukrainian billionaire, is now under indictment for high crimes due to dealing behind the scenes with Russia on energy issues. Poroshenko was a founder of the Party of Regions (whose founding purpose was to break Ukraine up into more autonomous oblasts/fracture the country hence the name "Regions"). Parts of Donetsk and Luhansk obalsts (in the Donbass area) were taken over with Russian military help and Kremlin strategy NOT by a bunch of freedom-loving micro ethnicities. Millions fled those areas - if they were so freedom loving with Ukraine's government being "so oppressive" , then millions would have flocked there, didn't happen. The Russian Communist Party is the largest backer of these fake "republics" (just look at their vote from yesterday) and communists from many countries went there to fight for them BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMUNIST. Funny how there was no discontent in any other oblast in the middle of the country or anywhere else. I know, I worked in the defense industry at the time and was working with them before this went down (been to the embassy more than a couple of times). I'm half Ukrainian, speak the language, and have studied Ukrainian history since the 1970s. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By tstorms: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By tstorms: Originally Posted By Scottman: Like the Obama admin in 2014. Nobody wants to here what really happened in 2014. That's Russian disinformation cookoo talk I'm all ears. Be sure to cite where you got your information and your background. Yanukovych was democratically elected and was overthrown by a coup orchestrated by Victoria Nuland. That's a fact. It doesn't excuse Russia's actions and current threats. But it is a fact LOL! Not exactly. Yanukovych was the "communist lite" Party of Regions candidate which was directly funded by the Kremlin in an orchestrated and corrupt election - The Communist Party of Ukraine (also Kremlin supported) also backed Yanukovych. Paul Manafort was his campaign manager (through his consulting firm) and was paid to get him in on behalf of the Kremlin. When Yanukovych took office, he instituted the takeover for Putin which included (but not limited to): changing school curriculum to reflect Russian history and erase parts of Ukrainian history, changing the national language from Ukrainian to Russian and Ukrainian, cut all military modernization cooperation projects with the USA, etc. and what sparked the revolution to oust the Russian agent Yanukovych was when he stated that Russian troops would occupy several Ukrainian military bases for "cooperation" purposes. At the about same time, Manafort, acting as Trump's campaign manager, attended the Republican National Convention in Cleveland and he and his team stunned the Republican committee when they opened up a meeting calling for the Republican Party's stance on arming Ukraine with lethal high-tech weapons to change from favorable to unfavorable. After Yanukovych was ousted, yes Nuland and company did butt in and manipulate Ukrainian politics (and I did not like that at all), but this is not what caused the ouster of Yanukovych. Afterwards, hundreds of Kremlin-bought Ukrainian agents in the government were thrown out and prosecuted and the Ukrainian Communist Party was disbanded, BUT the Party of Regions still exists - NOTE: former Ukrainian Poroshenko, the Ukrainian billionaire, is now under indictment for high crimes due to dealing behind the scenes with Russia on energy issues. Poroshenko was a founder of the Party of Regions (whose founding purpose was to break Ukraine up into more autonomous oblasts/fracture the country hence the name "Regions"). Parts of Donetsk and Luhansk obalsts (in the Donbass area) were taken over with Russian military help and Kremlin strategy NOT by a bunch of freedom-loving micro ethnicities. Millions fled those areas - if they were so freedom loving with Ukraine's government being "so oppressive" , then millions would have flocked there, didn't happen. The Russian Communist Party is the largest backer of these fake "republics" (just look at their vote from yesterday) and communists from many countries went there to fight for them BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMUNIST. Funny how there was no discontent in any other oblast in the middle of the country or anywhere else. I know, I worked in the defense industry at the time and was working with them before this went down (been to the embassy more than a couple of times). I'm half Ukrainian, speak the language, and have studied Ukrainian history since the 1970s. You've copied and pasted that bullshit how many times in this thread? But what do I know, I'm a known troll. You guys a circle jerk! |
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What have the Romans ever done for us?
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Panem et Circenses
Since it cost a lot to win and even more to lose... |
What have the Romans ever done for us?
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Panem et Circenses
Since it cost a lot to win and even more to lose... |
Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Yanukovych was elected largely based on Kremlin money funnelled by the KGB to Manafort. Nuland having something to do with Euromaidon is facebook- level conspiracy bs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By tstorms: Yanukovych was democratically elected and was overthrown by a coup orchestrated by Victoria Nuland. That's a fact. It doesn't excuse Russia's actions and current threats. But it is a fact Yanukovych was elected largely based on Kremlin money funnelled by the KGB to Manafort. Nuland having something to do with Euromaidon is facebook- level conspiracy bs. So what? Yanukovych was stepping down and the new election was only a few months away. The fact is, the Nulandistan candidate wasn't going to win. |
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
View Quote Wow. Tensions are high... God bless all of the people in harm's way. |
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
View Quote Good hunting Ukraine! |
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Originally Posted By Bunn19: How soon until Russia “finds” a mass grave of ethnic Russians in the Donbas region and while doing the investigating happens to get “attacked” by Ukrainian soldiers? I expect some type of false flag event like this to take place any day. They are already planting the seeds for something along these lines. View Quote Just saw there’s a ABC News video on YouTube from an hour ago, “Russia finds mass graves on Ukraine”. Russia claims it found mass graves in Ukraine |
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
View Quote Significance? I show IRON23 landed 8 months ago and the LOKI82 landed in FL. The SWAB85 isn’t found on flight tracker |
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
View Quote They're just now taking concrete measures? WTF have they been doing. |
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Originally Posted By 07Commander: Just saw there’s a ABC News video on YouTube from an hour ago, “Russia finds mass graves on Ukraine”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNPsZzRRffM View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 07Commander: Originally Posted By Bunn19: How soon until Russia “finds” a mass grave of ethnic Russians in the Donbas region and while doing the investigating happens to get “attacked” by Ukrainian soldiers? I expect some type of false flag event like this to take place any day. They are already planting the seeds for something along these lines. Just saw there’s a ABC News video on YouTube from an hour ago, “Russia finds mass graves on Ukraine”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNPsZzRRffM Typical. |
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Originally Posted By 07Commander: Just saw there’s a ABC News video on YouTube from an hour ago, “Russia finds mass graves on Ukraine”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNPsZzRRffM View Quote They denied the Katyn forest massacre as well. Not sure who they're trying to convince |
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Originally Posted By FrankyRay: They do look military. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/BlackHawkExtract_01_jpg-2281739.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By FrankyRay:
Pulling out .mil advisors or spooks? They do look military. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/546602/BlackHawkExtract_01_jpg-2281739.JPG Javalin and NLAW instructors hopefully. |
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Ron Paul comments on Trudeau in Canuckistan, US credibility & Ukraine
US Credibility Collapse: Russian Troops Returning After Exercises...Like They Said |
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Originally Posted By tstorms: You've copied and pasted that bullshit how many times in this thread? But what do I know, I'm a known troll. You guys a circle jerk! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tstorms: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By tstorms: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By tstorms: Originally Posted By Scottman: Like the Obama admin in 2014. Nobody wants to here what really happened in 2014. That's Russian disinformation cookoo talk I'm all ears. Be sure to cite where you got your information and your background. Yanukovych was democratically elected and was overthrown by a coup orchestrated by Victoria Nuland. That's a fact. It doesn't excuse Russia's actions and current threats. But it is a fact LOL! Not exactly. Yanukovych was the "communist lite" Party of Regions candidate which was directly funded by the Kremlin in an orchestrated and corrupt election - The Communist Party of Ukraine (also Kremlin supported) also backed Yanukovych. Paul Manafort was his campaign manager (through his consulting firm) and was paid to get him in on behalf of the Kremlin. When Yanukovych took office, he instituted the takeover for Putin which included (but not limited to): changing school curriculum to reflect Russian history and erase parts of Ukrainian history, changing the national language from Ukrainian to Russian and Ukrainian, cut all military modernization cooperation projects with the USA, etc. and what sparked the revolution to oust the Russian agent Yanukovych was when he stated that Russian troops would occupy several Ukrainian military bases for "cooperation" purposes. At the about same time, Manafort, acting as Trump's campaign manager, attended the Republican National Convention in Cleveland and he and his team stunned the Republican committee when they opened up a meeting calling for the Republican Party's stance on arming Ukraine with lethal high-tech weapons to change from favorable to unfavorable. After Yanukovych was ousted, yes Nuland and company did butt in and manipulate Ukrainian politics (and I did not like that at all), but this is not what caused the ouster of Yanukovych. Afterwards, hundreds of Kremlin-bought Ukrainian agents in the government were thrown out and prosecuted and the Ukrainian Communist Party was disbanded, BUT the Party of Regions still exists - NOTE: former Ukrainian Poroshenko, the Ukrainian billionaire, is now under indictment for high crimes due to dealing behind the scenes with Russia on energy issues. Poroshenko was a founder of the Party of Regions (whose founding purpose was to break Ukraine up into more autonomous oblasts/fracture the country hence the name "Regions"). Parts of Donetsk and Luhansk obalsts (in the Donbass area) were taken over with Russian military help and Kremlin strategy NOT by a bunch of freedom-loving micro ethnicities. Millions fled those areas - if they were so freedom loving with Ukraine's government being "so oppressive" , then millions would have flocked there, didn't happen. The Russian Communist Party is the largest backer of these fake "republics" (just look at their vote from yesterday) and communists from many countries went there to fight for them BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMUNIST. Funny how there was no discontent in any other oblast in the middle of the country or anywhere else. I know, I worked in the defense industry at the time and was working with them before this went down (been to the embassy more than a couple of times). I'm half Ukrainian, speak the language, and have studied Ukrainian history since the 1970s. You've copied and pasted that bullshit how many times in this thread? But what do I know, I'm a known troll. You guys a circle jerk! No, I dont think you are a Russian troll, you are just dumb. |
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Originally Posted By tstorms: So what? Yanukovych was stepping down and the new election was only a few months away. The fact is, the Nulandistan candidate wasn't going to win. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tstorms: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By tstorms: Yanukovych was democratically elected and was overthrown by a coup orchestrated by Victoria Nuland. That's a fact. It doesn't excuse Russia's actions and current threats. But it is a fact Yanukovych was elected largely based on Kremlin money funnelled by the KGB to Manafort. Nuland having something to do with Euromaidon is facebook- level conspiracy bs. So what? Yanukovych was stepping down and the new election was only a few months away. The fact is, the Nulandistan candidate wasn't going to win. Maybe I misunderstood your post - disregard my first comment. |
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Patrick Henry is the greatest Founding Father because without him there would be no Bill of Rights!
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What have the Romans ever done for us?
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Originally Posted By Amped: Significance? I show IRON23 landed 8 months ago and the LOKI82 landed in FL. The SWAB85 isn’t found on flight tracker View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Amped: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Significance? I show IRON23 landed 8 months ago and the LOKI82 landed in FL. The SWAB85 isn’t found on flight tracker Airborne command posts. Normally one is out n about somewhere |
Panem et Circenses
Since it cost a lot to win and even more to lose... |
Originally Posted By 4v50: Ron Paul comments on Trudeau in Canuckistan, US credibility & Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK0_WaLrIpw View Quote I was a huge supporter of Ron Paul from the late 80s through 2012 (even bought 50 Ron Paul for President campaign signs and put them out). Then, he started to be a regular guest on RT News and now spouts foreign policy talking points that Russia agrees with. (I haven't watched the video you posted but will tomorrow.) |
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: I was a huge supporter of Ron Paul from the late 80s through 2012 (even bought 50 Ron Paul for President campaign signs and put them out). Then, he started to be a regular guest on RT News and now spouts foreign policy talking points that Russia agrees with. (I haven't watched the video you posted but will tomorrow.) View Quote I can definitely see how his views would run inline with what Russia would want. The founders didn't want us to be all up in the world's bidness, or have a 87M man standing army, etc. |
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: I can definitely see how his views would run inline with what Russia would want. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: I was a huge supporter of Ron Paul from the late 80s through 2012 (even bought 50 Ron Paul for President campaign signs and put them out). Then, he started to be a regular guest on RT News and now spouts foreign policy talking points that Russia agrees with. (I haven't watched the video you posted but will tomorrow.) I can definitely see how his views would run inline with what Russia would want. It's quite sad. I didn't agree with his foreign policy all the time but still really liked him on 90% of political issue. Then, he went off the deep end. Your other comment: The founders didn't want us to be all up in the world's bidness, or have a 87M man standing army, etc. True and I agree with that. The only issue is when a large power starts eating away at the world it can eventually wind up on your doorstep with a large appetite. |
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Originally Posted By tstorms: They're just now taking concrete measures? WTF have they been doing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tstorms: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
They're just now taking concrete measures? WTF have they been doing. Seriously. If they haven't been getting ready and haven't took this serious until just now then they are in true trouble |
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: I can definitely see how his views would run inline with what Russia would want. The founders didn't want us to be all up in the world's bidness, or have a 87M man standing army, etc. View Quote It is all about scale. They didn't want to be under the influence of foreigners either, no taxation without representation or something. Easy to be isolationist back in the day and achieve that goal. |
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Scrolling through this guys twitter it looks like he's got some interesting imagery. https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen Many of his posts have gifs showing difference in sat images, I can't get the links to copy for embedding.
View Quote What's the significance of this? Packing up to go home or board landing ships for invasion? |
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Originally Posted By kncook: Javalin and NLAW instructors hopefully. View Quote Looking again at that one video of the "extraction," it's poor quality and hard to tell, but I get the impression that two of them might be female. Watch it closely at 0:29 Failed To Load Title And speaking of the video itself, that format looks like old 4:3 ratio. Which, in a way, might give credibility to it being captured by some random Romanian with an old camera. Also, with respect to the flights to that area, another interesting tweet from AUTINT [tweet]https://twitter.com/AUT_INT/status/1494067973283360773?cxt=HHwWisC9nfy5_7spAAAA[/tweet] |
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: I can definitely see how his views would run inline with what Russia would want. The founders didn't want us to be all up in the world's bidness, or have a 87M man standing army, etc. View Quote To be fair we wouldn't be a country if France hadn't sponsored a nice little insurgency against their great power rival, poured weapons into north America via shady front companies, sent some trainers, and eventually sent a disposable conventional force (mostly naval power) to the theater while also nibbling at Britain's other holdings. |
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Bah... formatting got wonky on my previous post and the tweet's not showing.
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Military Today news is stating the Russians shipped cannisters of ammonia to Eastern Ukraine which they may leak intentionally to claim a chemical attack.
Only posting this for the screen cap potential later! |
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Democratic party=new communist party
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Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: In the unlikely event where the Russians mount a full scale conventional invasion - what would they do from the north and how would they use the stealth pontoon bridge across the Pripet River Here are two maps, at different scales to aid your decision making and logistics planning. https://i.imgur.com/DZKiCrC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/m2JvOHP.jpg The weather forecast for Pripyat for the next 7 days is +1 to +7 degrees celsius and you have 15BTG at your disposal. Areas shaded darker green are marsh/forest View Quote I’d start by taking a good hard look at my map. Nope…can’t find Pripyat. Going home. |
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Originally Posted By glockluv: We should see what Vegas betting odds are for which False Flag Russia will use to invade. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By glockluv: Originally Posted By cwm1150: Anything is possible with the Russians. We should see what Vegas betting odds are for which False Flag Russia will use to invade. I don't think the Russians give a shit about world opinion anymore |
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SKYKING EAMs on 8892 kHz.
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: What's the significance of this? Packing up to go home or board landing ships for invasion? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Scrolling through this guys twitter it looks like he's got some interesting imagery. https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen Many of his posts have gifs showing difference in sat images, I can't get the links to copy for embedding.
What's the significance of this? Packing up to go home or board landing ships for invasion? The guy is inferring the troops were moved to the landing ships. It was rumored the troop ships were mainly empty as it would be a rough ride. |
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
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What have the Romans ever done for us?
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Panem et Circenses
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Only God will judge me.
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Commandant of His Majesty's Flying Monkey Brigades
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run: The guy is inferring the troops were moved to the landing ships. It was rumored the troop ships were mainly empty as it would be a rough ride. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Scrolling through this guys twitter it looks like he's got some interesting imagery. https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen Many of his posts have gifs showing difference in sat images, I can't get the links to copy for embedding.
What's the significance of this? Packing up to go home or board landing ships for invasion? The guy is inferring the troops were moved to the landing ships. It was rumored the troop ships were mainly empty as it would be a rough ride. I saw a video on that they were in fact heavy and low in the water on there cruise from russia, a guy did measurements of the sides of the numbers from pics when they were empty and at dock and did measurements from the pics of the recent cruise to Crimea and they were noticeably sitting lower in the water. but who knows. |
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Originally Posted By XeroSygnal: Any links on where one may listen to this live? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By XeroSygnal: Originally Posted By grambosc: SKYKING EAMs on 8892 kHz. Any links on where one may listen to this live? http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ |
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That was creepy, I see that a sky king message went out and then heard about 12 f-35 flying overhead. Hopefully it’s just a training message and not dispersal of forces
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For those who would like to monitor the EAMs (Emergency Action Messages) and Sky King messages that are broadcast on HF radio, use this link:
http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ Once there, you will be on the default frequency they have set. You'll need to change this by typing the frequency you want to monitor in the little rectangular shaped box that has kHz listed beside it. Punch in 8992 and hit enter. Other frequencies that often have this traffic include 11175, 4724 and sometimes 6739. Some frequencies are more active than others. And some may offer better reception depending on the time of day. The person operating this is based in the Netherlands, FWIW. There will be long periods where you hear little or nothing. Other times the messages will come hard and fast. That was the case today during late morning. There was almost a constant stream of EAMs going out on 8992. You really aren't going to know what is happening by listening to these. Only the people who have access to the codes will be able to decipher these messages. But they are still interesting to listen to. Often during periods of crisis, the number and frequency of these messages will dramatically increase. |
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No one cared who I was until I put on the mask
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: For those who would like to monitor the EAMs (Emergency Action Messages) and Sky King messages that are broadcast on HF radio, use this link: http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ Once there, you will be on the default frequency they have set. You'll need to change this by typing the frequency you want to monitor in the little rectangular shaped box that has kHz listed beside it. Punch in 8992 and hit enter. Other frequencies that often have this traffic include 11175, 4724 and sometimes 6739. Some frequencies are more active than others. And some may offer better reception depending on the time of day. The person operating this is based in the Netherlands, FWIW. There will be long periods where you hear little or nothing. Other times the messages will come hard and fast. That was the case today during late morning. There was almost a constant stream of EAMs going out on 8992. You really aren't going to know what is happening by listening to these. Only the people who have access to the codes will be able to decipher these messages. But they are still interesting to listen to. Often during periods of crisis, the number and frequency of these messages will dramatically increase. View Quote Neat. Thank you for the info. |
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Somewhat unusual to see two separate aircraft apparently change course like that, abruptly. |
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Hmmmm, then a couple of F-16s show up in the vicinity of FORTE12, the RQ-4 Global Hawk. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLxoW8xWYAMh-xw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Weird activity going on. Could they actually be escorting the RQ-4 and guarding it from some sort of perceived threat? View Quote I see we are following the same pages
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View Quote Russian media reports Donbass firing back. |
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No matter what the Russians says I do not think anyone will believe them.
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Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: In the unlikely event where the Russians mount a full scale conventional invasion - what would they do from the north and how would they use the stealth pontoon bridge across the Pripet River Here are two maps, at different scales to aid your decision making and logistics planning. https://i.imgur.com/DZKiCrC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/m2JvOHP.jpg The weather forecast for Pripyat for the next 7 days is +1 to +7 degrees celsius and you have 15BTG at your disposal. Areas shaded darker green are marsh/forest View Quote There were some later pics on Twitter indicating that the bridge was taken down yesterday. |
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