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Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:43:41 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SheltiePimp:


It's obvious all the intel the USA has is being fed to Ukraine, and probably a lot of advice, and they know how to act on it. How long Russia can sustain these losses is an interesting topic. Russia does have sofisticated communication and drone jamming tech, but from where I sit, they are not using anything because they know everything is being monitored so heavily. That may be one reason they are willing to accept such heavy losses, they don't want to tip their hand on this fight.
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Originally Posted By SheltiePimp:
Originally Posted By planemaker:


From all appearances, the Ukranian command and control network is infinitely better than the Russian's Baofeng network. One has to wonder whether some of the materiel that was airlifted in the days before the invasion was encrypted satcom or HF/VHF/UHF to keep their forces in the loop, coordinate attacks, let their forces know when to pick up more weaponry, etc. It would seem the Russian side is far more haphazard about pretty much everything.


It's obvious all the intel the USA has is being fed to Ukraine, and probably a lot of advice, and they know how to act on it. How long Russia can sustain these losses is an interesting topic. Russia does have sofisticated communication and drone jamming tech, but from where I sit, they are not using anything because they know everything is being monitored so heavily. That may be one reason they are willing to accept such heavy losses, they don't want to tip their hand on this fight.


That was my theory. They were originally going to use Ukraine as a jumping point for some smaller NATO countries and figured on a bigger fight. Since they knew everything would be watched closely, they didn't want to let folks start working on countermeasures until the last moment. Now? I don't have an idea on what the fuck they are doing.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:43:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By woozman:

Supposedly UkrAine but I'm sure if it was someone else they won't take responsibility
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Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99:
Originally Posted By Tech-Com:

Well that will drastically change things.

Which country got involved and hit the ship??

Supposedly UkrAine but I'm sure if it was someone else they won't take responsibility
Earlier it was reported as hit by a Neptune Cruise missile.
Arfcom doesn't like to hotlink this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune_(cruise_missile)

There were three Grigorovich-class frigates spotted in the area:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Grigorovich-class_frigate



Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:44:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Easterner:
On a side note I've taken up arts and crafts with my free time.

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<atfcomelookatthis.jpg.

Give em hell brother!!
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:44:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SuperSixOne:
#1 It looks like it did work

#2 just throw it into an ally once clear of people. This is a war zone.
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lol
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:45:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99:

Well that will drastically change things.

Which country got involved and hit the ship??
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Ukraine had Neptune ASM batteries in Odessa, last I checked... So probably Ukraine.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:45:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nutro:
@EEsmith

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If he doesn't it's easy to order Chinese plates from AliExpress/Alibaba from the OEM and have them drop shipped overseas, skips ITAR
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:47:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
If he doesn't it's easy to order Chinese plates from AliExpress/Alibaba from the OEM and have them drop shipped overseas, skips ITAR
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Originally Posted By Nutro:
@EEsmith

Do you have plates (Body armor)?
If he doesn't it's easy to order Chinese plates from AliExpress/Alibaba from the OEM and have them drop shipped overseas, skips ITAR



Are plates covered under ITAR?
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:47:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech:



Fuck. Was hoping it was RU navy

Eta that data is from like Friday. Whatever is burning seems to be now
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech:
Originally Posted By Tech-Com:
It could be this, but I still hope its RUS warship





Fuck. Was hoping it was RU navy

Eta that data is from like Friday. Whatever is burning seems to be now

I'm no swabbie but that track looks a little far offshore to be seen from land.

ETA: Posted while you were editing.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:47:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:

Maybe the others will "sell" them to Poland for 1 euro to "replace" the MiG's they gave away, who will then turn around and publicly give them to Ukraine directly, because they don't give a fuck.  "We had no idea that would happen, like, we're super surprised"
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You can’t do that. It’s a straw purchase.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:48:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Easterner:
On a side note I've taken up arts and crafts with my free time.

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Glad to see this kerfuffle isn’t dampening your creative spirits!
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:49:04 AM EDT
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Their personal phones were confiscated

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Originally Posted By @SheltiePimp:


We are not seeing videos from Russia, which is surprising how many young troops are there, and everyone posts videos at that age group. They must have put a ban on using mobile phones and a lot of the dead Russians kit seem to have no mobile phones.

As far as I can tell, we have very few videos or reports of Russians using drones, and they are not publishing their victories. There is so much bullshit on both sides, disinformation, and crap on twitter and telegram. The Russians are not broadcasting their victories and achievements, so we don't have much to go on. Unlike wars in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, etc., we have not seen many videos of an actual ambush and set up, we just see the aftermath.

The reluctance of Russia to post victories and achievements outside of Donetsk and Odesa is very interesting, I think they have taken the decision that no social media is better than announcing things. Same with Ukraine, there seems to be a lack of actual fighting and that's a smart decision. They are not giving away any ambush techniques, strategies, or how they are destroying so many Russian units.

Basically, we don't know what's really going on, only the people on the ground do and information move so fast and thick, it's hard to trust anything. It's so easy to make a fake video now, and if you see shitty quality videos on youtube or Twitter, it's a good indication that it's fake. Modern computer games like DCS make it really easy to edit a video and very fast. There are lots of pro-Russian video clips on Twitter showing the addition of fake V, Z, O markings on destroyed tanks and trucks, so we really can not verify losses at this stage, that will take time and be the work of war historians and journalists.

I think Putin has decided that the prize is worth it, and is absorbing losses because that's the only thing they know how to do. But, can they win with that strategy?



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Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:50:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
"We have at our disposal the planning documents of one of the units of the battalion tactical group of the 810th separate brigade of marines of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation."



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM2nCAVX0AUIHJs?format=jpg&name=medium

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So according to the 2nd pic, they planned to meet their objectives by the 6th of March.

They're a little behind.



https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1499038698435919883
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:51:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By woozman:

Yea I'm just wondering if that's a shot of the impact or that's the ship on fire after the fact. It looks like an impact image as there is no smoke yet in that pic
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I hope it's a fire or impact but the smoke pic could just be exhaust and that puc could be reflection of sun...
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:51:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo:



Are plates covered under ITAR?
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Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo:
Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Originally Posted By Nutro:
@EEsmith

Do you have plates (Body armor)?
If he doesn't it's easy to order Chinese plates from AliExpress/Alibaba from the OEM and have them drop shipped overseas, skips ITAR



Are plates covered under ITAR?



Yes but there are exemptions for press, VIPs, etc.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:52:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24:


Do not fill a tennis ball with gasoline, and then light it on fire and have a friend toss it to you and hit it with a tennis racket.   No idea how we didn't die as children.
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We knocked them down the street with hockey sticks. Left a burning gas trail.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:52:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


*snort* lol
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


*snort* lol


I have been thinking of that R&M bit as Russia's economy takes a dive.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:53:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:

You can’t do that. It’s a straw purchase.
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Lol. Seriously I doubt anyone is going to get in much trouble for a little hacking or ITAR violations.

Mikw
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:54:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo:



Are plates covered under ITAR?
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Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo:
Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Originally Posted By Nutro:
@EEsmith

Do you have plates (Body armor)?
If he doesn't it's easy to order Chinese plates from AliExpress/Alibaba from the OEM and have them drop shipped overseas, skips ITAR



Are plates covered under ITAR?
Lvl 3 and 4 and item dependant as well like face shields and some ancillary accessories.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:54:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AZ_Mike:

Lol. Seriously I doubt anyone is going to get in much trouble for a little hacking or ITAR violations.

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I made a joke of course.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:55:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:



Yes but there are exemptions for press, VIPs, etc.
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo:
Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Originally Posted By Nutro:
@EEsmith

Do you have plates (Body armor)?
If he doesn't it's easy to order Chinese plates from AliExpress/Alibaba from the OEM and have them drop shipped overseas, skips ITAR



Are plates covered under ITAR?



Yes but there are exemptions for press, VIPs, etc.
I missed the post/thread where he said in what capacity he was going, press?
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:55:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MiloBloom:



Yee  haw ..

ТРИМАЙТЕ МОЄ ПИВО !

TRYMAYTE MOYE PYVO !


Looks like a fun weekend  


holy shit, that's just funny!!!!

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Originally Posted By MiloBloom:
Originally Posted By M-1975:



Yee  haw ..

ТРИМАЙТЕ МОЄ ПИВО !

TRYMAYTE MOYE PYVO !


Looks like a fun weekend  


holy shit, that's just funny!!!!


Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:55:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:

I made a joke of course.
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Which is why I started with Lol.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:55:52 AM EDT
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If that is a Russian warship burning, could it be a failed missile launch? Everything else seems poorly maintained, so why not that?
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:56:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:


Great updates.
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Originally Posted By Tech-Com:


Great updates.


I know the M72 LAW is insufficient on MBTs but 2.7k of them from one country would really beat up the BMPs, trucks, and Tigr-M stuff.

Would a M72 LAW defeat an MRAP type vehicle?
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:57:00 AM EDT
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That parade of Chechens was them getting hyped up in Grozny before the war apparently.

 A lot of them are dead now,Inshallah.
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In Russia you cannot find fuel.  In Ukraine fuel find you.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:57:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
I missed the post/thread where he said in what capacity he was going, press?
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo:
Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Originally Posted By Nutro:
@EEsmith

Do you have plates (Body armor)?
If he doesn't it's easy to order Chinese plates from AliExpress/Alibaba from the OEM and have them drop shipped overseas, skips ITAR



Are plates covered under ITAR?



Yes but there are exemptions for press, VIPs, etc.
I missed the post/thread where he said in what capacity he was going, press?


Not sure, just answered the question I saw. If anyone lies and says they are going in as press but intended to go and fight there will be charges when they get back. ITAR is nothing to fuck with.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:59:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By maddmatt:


That was my theory. They were originally going to use Ukraine as a jumping point for some smaller NATO countries and figured on a bigger fight. Since they knew everything would be watched closely, they didn't want to let folks start working on countermeasures until the last moment. Now? I don't have an idea on what the fuck they are doing.
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Me too, they are advancing, but taking such heavy losses is not going to last forever. Might be the USA's tactic to bleed Russia dry to discourage taking other nato states.

It's fucking insane what we are seeing, the Russian tactics are so stupid and their logistics are so fucked up I have a hard time thinking they accepted and planned for these losses. I don't believe they are that retarded, but maybe the soviet mindset of expendability is still there.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:59:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
That parade of Chechens was them getting hyped up in Grozny before the war apparently.

 A lot of them are dead now,Inshallah.
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Good riddance
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:59:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Easterner:
On a side note I've taken up arts and crafts with my free time.

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I'm missing something ... what's the Raid for ??


Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:59:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA:



I read into the entire story on this.  It said the Ukranian pilots were going to be there for at least 2 weeks training. The Polish upgraded the electronics on them and need to teach the pilots the new systems.

I don't know, but personally I doubt they will go back to Ukraine. Flying into Ukraine from a Nato country would be seen as an act of war against Russia. I might be wrong though
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No, flying a combat mission from outside Ukraine would be provocative.  Flying in and rearming there is fine.
For the people quibbling about planes, remember Korea and Vietnam?  Where did all those migs come from?
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 11:59:58 AM EDT
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As a result of one of the last combat clashes of the 128th OGShBr fighters with the Russians, the trophy of our guys became the latest weapon of the Russian Army - a large-caliber sniper modernized rifle ASVK-M "Cord-M"
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I've been wondering why we haven't seen Anti ship missiles looks like they finally got an opportunity to use them
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Well then just go home and stop it then. That’s all you have to do.
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
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Heck, given how inept they've been so far, it could be a kitchen fire.
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 12:00:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
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So kinda like that old video where the dipshit lit a bottle rocket out of his ass hole.

Fuckin' awesome!!!
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 12:01:15 PM EDT
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any news on CossackGundi?
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Originally Posted By Intune69:

Not “ponderous,” Martin. It’s Fabulous!  Aren’t you thrilled and happy for the people of Ukraine to be fighting and maybe even winning against the giant asshole bear that is Russia?  EDIT

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Originally Posted By Intune69:
Originally Posted By martin248:
Truly ponderous that they have made next to no use of their air force, which has allowed UKR to continue to fly those drones that wiped out several columns.

Russia has a huge air force but it's mostly just sitting on the ground. Why they haven't used it is unclear.

Not “ponderous,” Martin. It’s Fabulous!  Aren’t you thrilled and happy for the people of Ukraine to be fighting and maybe even winning against the giant asshole bear that is Russia?  EDIT



Of course, but this is at some level a technical thread.

What is the reason Russia hasn't used its air power? In theory it should have flown an overwhelming number of SU's over Ukraine after the initial cruise missile strike against airfields and AA, like every other invasion in recent times.

But that didn't happen. They flew only limited sorties. That left the skies contested, and it's the reason those drones are still flying as well.

They have suffered huge losses as a result and STILL no wave of SU's. They are all sitting on the ground in Russia.

Why?
Link Posted: 3/2/2022 12:01:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SheltiePimp:


Me too, they are advancing, but taking such heavy losses is not going to last forever. Might be the USA's tactic to bleed Russia dry to discourage taking other nato states.

It's fucking insane what we are seeing, the Russian tactics are so stupid and their logistics are so fucked up I have a hard time thinking they accepted and planned for these losses. I don't believe they are that retarded, but maybe the soviet mindset of expendability is still there.
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Originally Posted By SheltiePimp:
Originally Posted By maddmatt:


That was my theory. They were originally going to use Ukraine as a jumping point for some smaller NATO countries and figured on a bigger fight. Since they knew everything would be watched closely, they didn't want to let folks start working on countermeasures until the last moment. Now? I don't have an idea on what the fuck they are doing.


Me too, they are advancing, but taking such heavy losses is not going to last forever. Might be the USA's tactic to bleed Russia dry to discourage taking other nato states.

It's fucking insane what we are seeing, the Russian tactics are so stupid and their logistics are so fucked up I have a hard time thinking they accepted and planned for these losses. I don't believe they are that retarded, but maybe the soviet mindset of expendability is still there.
Dipshit Russian Generals bought "wow weapons" instead of what's actually practical.

They really think they can compensate with inaccurate firepower.
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:


Not sure, just answered the question I saw. If anyone lies and says they are going in as press but intended to go and fight there will be charges when they get back. ITAR is nothing to fuck with.
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo:
Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Originally Posted By Nutro:
@EEsmith

Do you have plates (Body armor)?
If he doesn't it's easy to order Chinese plates from AliExpress/Alibaba from the OEM and have them drop shipped overseas, skips ITAR



Are plates covered under ITAR?



Yes but there are exemptions for press, VIPs, etc.
I missed the post/thread where he said in what capacity he was going, press?


Not sure, just answered the question I saw. If anyone lies and says they are going in as press but intended to go and fight there will be charges when they get back. ITAR is nothing to fuck with.


A few pages back showed he was going to be bringing in medical supplies
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Is it just me, but does every Chechen soldier in the recent videos give the impression of being a massive douchebag?
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run:



I've been wondering why we haven't seen Anti ship missiles looks like they finally got an opportunity to use them
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Originally Posted By Tech-Com:



I've been wondering why we haven't seen Anti ship missiles looks like they finally got an opportunity to use them
Maybe all the damaged civilian ships have been from UKR? That city was under bombardment at the time, its believable they might have fired at anything in range.
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Originally Posted By x248716x:

you mean, like those 2 guys they paraded naked through the town, with only socks?

or the chubby guy they tie-wrapped naked to a telephone pole?

something something Geneva something.  yeah, fuck all that shit.
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By cryo_tech:
I'm personally torn on the kindness to pow thing.


Russian animals who shell and kill civillians should get no quarter.

All my life I've believed Russians to be lowlife, stupid, brutal animals in general.

But that's also not how you get people to surrender.

Perhaps keeping the pows near vital military targets, like your. Bm30"s defending Kiev, or where shelling may happen is a good compromise

Ukraine would lose public support if they started mistreating POWs.

It would be the dumbest thing they could ever do in this situation. And they know it.

you mean, like those 2 guys they paraded naked through the town, with only socks?

or the chubby guy they tie-wrapped naked to a telephone pole?

something something Geneva something.  yeah, fuck all that shit.

Fuck that. These guys are being captured by civilians, not army. Not sure Geneva convention applies to random Russians that try to loot your store or rob your house. Further, they may not have been in uniform or disguised. I think that absolved their captors even if they are regular Ukr forces.
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Originally Posted By M-1975:




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Anti-material and anti-hearing.
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Originally Posted By AeroEngineer:


I'm certain there is backchannel negotiations going on along the lines of "if you "loan" Ukraine some Migs we'll make sure you get some F-35s very soon".

I think all of a sudden lots of NATO countries will be upgrading and expanding their military capabilities.
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Originally Posted By 74HC:
Originally Posted By Action45:


Cannot confirm, but being reported. Fingers crossed
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I thought that Poland refusal at first was hardball negotiation.  I'm sure they wanted someone to replace those donated MIGs with updated fighters.  If this is true, then somebody did because there would be no way a country who's next on Putin's WARSAW appetite would give up fighters.

It's either Germany, UK, or USA that behind it doing the updating for Poland.  I suspect it's the USA because Poland wants F-35s more than ever.  So does everyone else. Putin's invasion is probably the best salesman for Lockheed Martin.  Would love to see their book to bill ratio are like in these next couple of weeks.


I'm certain there is backchannel negotiations going on along the lines of "if you "loan" Ukraine some Migs we'll make sure you get some F-35s very soon".

I think all of a sudden lots of NATO countries will be upgrading and expanding their military capabilities.



They are getting the Turkish F35's.

end of story.
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I had a thought about that last night.

Didn't Putin require that all of the oligarchs put a certain percentage of their wealth in rubles?

If so, then he may be trying to crush them at the same time he tries to take Ukraine.
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