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Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:13:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ThaBaron:


Lol, yeah cuz first string shit gets stuck in the mud!
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech:



awful broke with no parts though. I have no Idea as that's newer tech than I got to see Can they tow it and use it? Does anyone in UKR know how to use an SA-22?


An SA-22 is NOT second string shit.


Lol, yeah cuz first string shit gets stuck in the mud!

It does when it's driven by drunken buffoons who don't even know to air down or chain up in mud.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:14:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:


This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen this map posted here.

Any targeting map that excludes Whiteman AFB but includes random towns in MO and KS should probably be deleted and forgotten forever.
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Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
Originally Posted By kncook:


A) Not all of Russias 2100 warheads are serviceable or work or are even on launch vehicles/platforms.

B) They can’t launch them all against the US. They have to take out NATO and Europe targets as well.

Plenty of people will survive.


and targeting people is a waste.

there's a lot fewer targets with substantial food and grain stores.

Nuking major grain elevators, the major livestock processing plants, feedlots and fuel and tire supplies, and Mississippi barge network would kill a significant amount of the world's population with starvation at the right time of year...


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG


This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen this map posted here.

Any targeting map that excludes Whiteman AFB but includes random towns in MO and KS should probably be deleted and forgotten forever.

I first saw that map at least a decade ago. It targets 2 coal power plants near me. 1 no longer exists (it was literally dismantled and the rest imploded) and the other is on a rushed schedule for decommission.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:15:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 01ZULU:
Quite possible that it true
But there’s a catch to that
If pooty is just now getting shit coming via railcar then they are getting desperate
And started this whole clusterfuck very very unprepared
Who the fuck invades anywhere without having enough support prepositioned to ensure victory without having to wait for days for more equip to arrive
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Someone who thinks it will be a hybrid-war coup due to drinking their own koolaid.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:15:23 AM EST
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Man, I wish Sylvan was here.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:15:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 3n1gm4:
Why would anyone target the bistone area of Tx...  there is like A walmart... 1 between the two counties
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There is a fair number (or used to be) of coal fired power plants in that region as well
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:16:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:

I first saw that map at least a decade ago. It targets 2 coal power plants near me. 1 no longer exists (it was literally dismantled and the rest imploded) and the other is on a rushed schedule for decommission.
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
Originally Posted By kncook:


A) Not all of Russias 2100 warheads are serviceable or work or are even on launch vehicles/platforms.

B) They can't launch them all against the US. They have to take out NATO and Europe targets as well.

Plenty of people will survive.


and targeting people is a waste.

there's a lot fewer targets with substantial food and grain stores.

Nuking major grain elevators, the major livestock processing plants, feedlots and fuel and tire supplies, and Mississippi barge network would kill a significant amount of the world's population with starvation at the right time of year...


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG


This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen this map posted here.

Any targeting map that excludes Whiteman AFB but includes random towns in MO and KS should probably be deleted and forgotten forever.

I first saw that map at least a decade ago. It targets 2 coal power plants near me. 1 no longer exists (it was literally dismantled and the rest imploded) and the other is on a rushed schedule for decommission.


lima-xray will tell you all day long that the Russkies aren't going after population centers. They are going after strategic nuclear targets, bases nuclear weapons and maybe a couple of capitals. DC for sure. They aren't going to bomb the abandoned cola plant near your house.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:16:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By happycynic:
Yes.  You can determine the relative effect using the universal measurement for damage to a city - the Detroit Mayoral Term ("DMT").  Each nuclear weapon is equivalent to four years under a Detroit mayor, or 1 DMT.  So 75 nukes would be equivalent to 300 years under a Detroit mayor (75 DMT), an unimaginable catastrophe.  

By comparison, here are some historical examples of citywide devastation.

1. Mongol Destruction of Baghdad.  25 DMT
2. Sack of Rome.  20 DMT
3. 4th Crusade Sack of Constantinople.  15 DMT
4. Fall of Troy.  10 DMT
5. Great Fire of London.  5 DMT
6. Hiroshima.  1 DMT
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Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:17:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By PalmettoSharpshooter:
Since there's so many of these maps, I assume it's all speculation.

Here's another

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Way off.
Doesn’t include Phoenix as the state capitol, much less Luke Air Force base.

ETA…
No hits on Lackland in San Antonio?
Yeah, that’s a little off.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:18:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Why didn't the Russians follow the American Playbook for Invading a Country:

Step 1 - Bomb the shit out of their airbases and communications centers. Gain total air superiority and disrupt the enemy's ability to coordinate.

Step 2 - Conquer your way to the capital. Take cities along the way, fight the enemy there until he is destroyed, move on, keep bombing.

Step 3 - If you meet stiff resistance, fall back a little bit and bomb the shit out of those fuckers. After they've been softened up, move in again and mop up.

Step 4 - Invade the capital and declare victory

I mean, that's pretty much how we do it, right? But they tried this Everywhere, All the Time approach and fell on their ass. Our way seems to work pretty good, no?
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Don't get mired in big cities that don't matter initially.  Pretty sure we took Baghdad before Fallujah
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:18:10 AM EST
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https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Use advance settings to set parameters such as wind speed, fallout, etc.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:18:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By happycynic:
Yes.  You can determine the relative effect using the universal measurement for damage to a city - the Detroit Mayoral Term ("DMT").  Each nuclear weapon is equivalent to four years under a Detroit mayor, or 1 DMT.  So 75 nukes would be equivalent to 300 years under a Detroit mayor (75 DMT), an unimaginable catastrophe.  

By comparison, here are some historical examples of citywide devastation.

1. Mongol Destruction of Baghdad.  25 DMT
2. Sack of Rome.  20 DMT
3. 4th Crusade Sack of Constantinople.  15 DMT
4. Fall of Troy.  10 DMT
5. Great Fire of London.  5 DMT
6. Hiroshima.  1 DMT
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Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:18:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DouglasQuaid:



Even smarter would have half a dozen detonate at high altitude and have EMP destroy everything.  Without electronics, any modern country will suffer greatly.  Only benefit would be little immediate death and less fallout.
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Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
Originally Posted By kncook:


A) Not all of Russias 2100 warheads are serviceable or work or are even on launch vehicles/platforms.

B) They can’t launch them all against the US. They have to take out NATO and Europe targets as well.

Plenty of people will survive.


and targeting people is a waste.

there's a lot fewer targets with substantial food and grain stores.

Nuking major grain elevators, the major livestock processing plants, feedlots and fuel and tire supplies, and Mississippi barge network would kill a significant amount of the world's population with starvation at the right time of year...


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/4C81E896-0BFC-4753-B1EE-F3E557A4540B_png-2299488.JPG



Even smarter would have half a dozen detonate at high altitude and have EMP destroy everything.  Without electronics, any modern country will suffer greatly.  Only benefit would be little immediate death and less fallout.

I've been under the impression that nobody really knows exactly how effective EMP bursts would be. It's not something that has actually been demonstrated.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:19:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GreyHat:


Someone who thinks it will be a hybrid-war coup due to drinking their own koolaid.
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Originally Posted By GreyHat:
Originally Posted By 01ZULU:
Quite possible that it true
But there’s a catch to that
If pooty is just now getting shit coming via railcar then they are getting desperate
And started this whole clusterfuck very very unprepared
Who the fuck invades anywhere without having enough support prepositioned to ensure victory without having to wait for days for more equip to arrive


Someone who thinks it will be a hybrid-war coup due to drinking their own koolaid.



Ain’t that the truth

Some just can’t handle reality so they make up their own world
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:19:59 AM EST
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Originally Posted By doc540:
So, if a MAD event does occur, what level of life, if any, will the earth's environment support?
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If everyone launches everything and they all boom?  It’s a wrap.  Few cockroaches, the raccoon that keeps tipping my trash  cans, a couple dudes in Florida and maybe some weird lava eating bacteria on the ocean floor.   That’s it.  Whatever survives the blast dies from nuclear winter.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:20:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:

Don't get mired in big cities that don't matter initially.  Pretty sure we took Baghdad before Fallujah
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Why didn't the Russians follow the American Playbook for Invading a Country:

Step 1 - Bomb the shit out of their airbases and communications centers. Gain total air superiority and disrupt the enemy's ability to coordinate.

Step 2 - Conquer your way to the capital. Take cities along the way, fight the enemy there until he is destroyed, move on, keep bombing.

Step 3 - If you meet stiff resistance, fall back a little bit and bomb the shit out of those fuckers. After they've been softened up, move in again and mop up.

Step 4 - Invade the capital and declare victory

I mean, that's pretty much how we do it, right? But they tried this Everywhere, All the Time approach and fell on their ass. Our way seems to work pretty good, no?

Don't get mired in big cities that don't matter initially.  Pretty sure we took Baghdad before Fallujah

But didn't they take Basra and Najaf right away? I want to say that Tikrit was an early target as well.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:20:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:


Yet GD think the ukranians should execute him instead of doing this....inviting more to surrender..giving them good reason to stop fighting...and getting the world on their side.

Oh well, simple minds, simple solutions.
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Since there's no breaking war news, ill post this.  It's old (12 hours ago).  THIS is the face the Ukrainians want the world to see.  The kind, compassionate people.

Poor guy is chugging that tea like he hasn't ate in 2 weeks.  War sucks.





Yet GD think the ukranians should execute him instead of doing this....inviting more to surrender..giving them good reason to stop fighting...and getting the world on their side.

Oh well, simple minds, simple solutions.


Allow me to think out loud…..on the surface, this is a “heartbreaking/heartwarming video. Now further…like my kids, is this Russian soldier sorry or sorry he got caught?  I regrettably watched the video of the father, son dogs get shredded.  And the follow up of the surviving son deaded and thrown in a ditch with the surviving GSD standing over their dead bodies.

Kill ‘em all proper or kill ‘em with compassion.  
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:20:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:

One Second After was a work of fiction that took liberties with science.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By DouglasQuaid:

Even smarter would have half a dozen detonate at high altitude and have EMP destroy everything.  Without electronics, any modern country will suffer greatly.  Only benefit would be little immediate death and less fallout.

One Second After was a work of fiction that took liberties with science.


Not so much, really. Here's a work of non-fiction that talks about EMP (both natural and man-made) and what can be done to protect critical things from it: EMP Protection and Resilience Guidelines
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:21:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sq40:


The sabre rattling is intensifying, especially between Russia and Belarus talking of expanding the war. Sweden and Finland are pretty scared right now.  Putin keeps bringing up Nukes and it’s got everyone on edge. The sanctions have both China and India salivating at the idea of increasing their own standing for trade and finance.  Thankfully India and China aren’t friends.

The global support for Ukraine is unlike anything I’ve ever seen.  The sheer balls of the Ukrainian people have emboldened and awoken something in Europe, from all of those memories of the Nazis and the Iron Curtain. I think Europe, especially as an unified EU would like to put an end to Russia once and for all.   With the talks of nukes in play, the NATO commanders are probably contemplating a preemptive strike to end 120 years of Russian threats and horrors. If we do first strike… then it may be game on to just go ahead and clear the board of the rest of the west’s enemies at the same time.  In for a penny, in for a pound.  If victorious, we will write history however we want and that will be that.
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Originally Posted By superspud:
so much propaganda from both sides, I have no idea what to believe.....

Ukraine appears to still be standing so I guess they are doing well?

What happened in the "peace talk" meeting the other day? guessing nothing?


Is Russia going to slow play this or will they go scorched earth soon?

I havnt been able to keep up this week as I've been working.


The sabre rattling is intensifying, especially between Russia and Belarus talking of expanding the war. Sweden and Finland are pretty scared right now.  Putin keeps bringing up Nukes and it’s got everyone on edge. The sanctions have both China and India salivating at the idea of increasing their own standing for trade and finance.  Thankfully India and China aren’t friends.

The global support for Ukraine is unlike anything I’ve ever seen.  The sheer balls of the Ukrainian people have emboldened and awoken something in Europe, from all of those memories of the Nazis and the Iron Curtain. I think Europe, especially as an unified EU would like to put an end to Russia once and for all.   With the talks of nukes in play, the NATO commanders are probably contemplating a preemptive strike to end 120 years of Russian threats and horrors. If we do first strike… then it may be game on to just go ahead and clear the board of the rest of the west’s enemies at the same time.  In for a penny, in for a pound.  If victorious, we will write history however we want and that will be that.


Now we are talking! Finally, a First Strike post. Think I'll go fix myself a drink of grain alcohol and rainwater!
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:22:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I know everyone loves the A10, but you don't really need them with a few of these launched off of JSOWs.

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Yeah i hit on that a little bit, a few cluster bombs like that can wipe out some crazy amounts of vehicles
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:22:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BlueSetter:

If everyone launches everything and they all boom?  It’s a wrap.  Few cockroaches, the raccoon that keeps tipping my trash  cans, a couple dudes in Florida and maybe some weird lava eating bacteria on the ocean floor.   That’s it.  Whatever survives the blast dies from nuclear winter.
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Yeah, well , ar least it’d solve my personal question of burial or cremation.
In true to the end ARFCOM fashion, I’d get both.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:22:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By PalmettoSharpshooter:
Since there's so many of these maps, I assume it's all speculation.

Here's another

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Why are there potentially active volcanoes on that map?
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:23:16 AM EST
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The hands are against the wall
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OAB has a long moustache.

The hands are against the wall


The pants are around the ankles.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:23:52 AM EST
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I am sure there are many others in the area that we are not seeing on the "trackers" for good reason perhaps.
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that's my entire point.  and, the F-35 was never on the ADS-B out iirc.  just the tanker and the Rivet Joint.  

remember the last time we fielded a new, completely functional but not yet battle tested fighter with kick ass capabilities in a hot combat zone?

the last day the russians and north vietnamese aircraft fucked with the US Navy was the day before the F-14 arrived.  after that they stayed away.  Phoenix missiles and the radar on the F-14 actually worked.  we never got to try them out for real because the Russians knew exactly what they could do.  

our shit works.  their shit that works (which is nowhere near wha they claim to work) is totally known to us.  98% confidence on that.  no professional experience but if it's high fast and loud usaf or countries using our shit have been demonstrating very high kill ratios for 30 years or so against Russian hardware.  luck?  training?  intel?  better?  don't know, don't care.  probably all of the above.  our retired projects in museums represent higher capabilities than anyone else on the planet has except our allies.  

anyone thinking otherwise is a fucking idiot that should not be listened to.  

ffs the Israelis take our F-15, make them better, then sell the upgrade kits back to us.  1970s aircraft.  not because we can't, because it's cheaper for us to do that than to build a new airframe, and it's still on the leaderboard with the highest kill ratio of any aircraft flying.  hell yeah I love capitalism and the free world.  you do not get that kind of innovation and flexibility from a central command economy.  

the shit I was reading about in avleak in the 80s got used in Iraq and Afghanistan.  but there was a 10 year "wonder what happened with that project Raytheon was pitching" gap.  we had the capability, but didn't want to use it.  slowly built up the expensive and complex systems.  tipping our hand means all that investment might be useless when we really need it if an adversary figured out a way to defeat it sooner rather than later.  

the shit I was reading about 10 years ago has not yet surfaced.  I hope it doesn't because that means we are serious about war.  war is not good.  it will be expensive and loud and we would have to use shit we do not want to use. we do not want to use it just to make a news cycle for sniff to cover his latest depends wardrobe malfunction.

keep giving the Ukraine people and forces the tools they need to stop the Russians.  we are not the participants on this rugby field.  we are the referees.  everyone's got this point completely wrong.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:26:34 AM EST
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Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:26:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Consigli:


Now we are talking! Finally, a First Strike post. Think I'll go fix myself a drink of grain alcohol and rainwater!
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Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By superspud:
so much propaganda from both sides, I have no idea what to believe.....

Ukraine appears to still be standing so I guess they are doing well?

What happened in the "peace talk" meeting the other day? guessing nothing?


Is Russia going to slow play this or will they go scorched earth soon?

I havnt been able to keep up this week as I've been working.


The sabre rattling is intensifying, especially between Russia and Belarus talking of expanding the war. Sweden and Finland are pretty scared right now.  Putin keeps bringing up Nukes and it’s got everyone on edge. The sanctions have both China and India salivating at the idea of increasing their own standing for trade and finance.  Thankfully India and China aren’t friends.

The global support for Ukraine is unlike anything I’ve ever seen.  The sheer balls of the Ukrainian people have emboldened and awoken something in Europe, from all of those memories of the Nazis and the Iron Curtain. I think Europe, especially as an unified EU would like to put an end to Russia once and for all.   With the talks of nukes in play, the NATO commanders are probably contemplating a preemptive strike to end 120 years of Russian threats and horrors. If we do first strike… then it may be game on to just go ahead and clear the board of the rest of the west’s enemies at the same time.  In for a penny, in for a pound.  If victorious, we will write history however we want and that will be that.


Now we are talking! Finally, a First Strike post. Think I'll go fix myself a drink of grain alcohol and rainwater!


Just as long as my potassium iodide tables get delivered first.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:26:58 AM EST
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Do you know where Tyumen is? It’s almost 3000 kilometers away from Kiev lol.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:27:40 AM EST
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Any news or video of the huge explosions that apparently hit Kiev?
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:29:07 AM EST
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Just as long as my potassium iodide tables get delivered first.
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How long do they last, I have a bottle left over from Fukushima?
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:29:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JustJim:


Allow me to think out loud…..on the surface, this is a “heartbreaking/heartwarming video. Now further…like my kids, is this Russian soldier sorry or sorry he got caught?  I regrettably watched the video of the father, son dogs get shredded.  And the follow up of the surviving son deaded and thrown in a ditch with the surviving GSD standing over their dead bodies.

Kill ‘em all proper or kill ‘em with compassion.  
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Since there's no breaking war news, ill post this.  It's old (12 hours ago).  THIS is the face the Ukrainians want the world to see.  The kind, compassionate people.

Poor guy is chugging that tea like he hasn't ate in 2 weeks.  War sucks.





Yet GD think the ukranians should execute him instead of doing this....inviting more to surrender..giving them good reason to stop fighting...and getting the world on their side.

Oh well, simple minds, simple solutions.


Allow me to think out loud…..on the surface, this is a “heartbreaking/heartwarming video. Now further…like my kids, is this Russian soldier sorry or sorry he got caught?  I regrettably watched the video of the father, son dogs get shredded.  And the follow up of the surviving son deaded and thrown in a ditch with the surviving GSD standing over their dead bodies.

Kill ‘em all proper or kill ‘em with compassion.  


Yeesh... I hate to do this, but do you have a link? I need to see it myself to understand where you're coming from.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:29:33 AM EST
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Want to know the secret of subsistence farming? Throughout history a large percentage of subsistence farmers died of starvation.
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Yeah, the I want to survive the nukes have not thought it through. Them's that die be the lucky ones.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:29:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DouglasQuaid:

Even smarter would have half a dozen detonate at high altitude and have EMP destroy everything.  Without electronics, any modern country will suffer greatly.  Only benefit would be little immediate death and less fallout.
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those two nork satellites in not quite sun synchronous polar orbits that haven't been transmitting anything, for instance.  

would be nice if we had an asat capability.  

wait, didn't shrub shoot down one of our own failed spy satellites?  

never mind.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:29:55 AM EST
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Air raid sirens.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:30:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SpaceGuy:
This video is infuriating due to it getting cut off but.... dude Kobe's a grenade into an APC from a 2nd story window.

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Airsoft, Russia is not using ot64s and neither is Ukraine
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:30:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sq40:

We are the lords of war and harbingers of death.  We’ve stacked Indian like cordwood, firebombed whole cities, nuked whole cities, fought our own states to kill millions, turned Koreans into walls of meat, barbecued Vietnamese people by the acre.  The list goes on.  We don’t give a fuck about laying waste to as many people as we feel like.  Never have, never will.  We just have really good PR people.  
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Epic and accurate
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Nice beat.

Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:31:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:


Yeesh... I hate to do this, but do you have a link? I need to see it myself to understand where you're coming from.
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More graphic video out there, but here is the softer one.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/02/video-appears-to-show-dog-killed-in-russian-assault/

Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:32:11 AM EST
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Originally Posted By happycynic:
Yes.  You can determine the relative effect using the universal measurement for damage to a city - the Detroit Mayoral Term ("DMT").  Each nuclear weapon is equivalent to four years under a Detroit mayor, or 1 DMT.  So 75 nukes would be equivalent to 300 years under a Detroit mayor (75 DMT), an unimaginable catastrophe.  

By comparison, here are some historical examples of citywide devastation.

1. Mongol Destruction of Baghdad.  25 DMT
2. Sack of Rome.  20 DMT
3. 4th Crusade Sack of Constantinople.  15 DMT
4. Fall of Troy.  10 DMT
5. Great Fire of London.  5 DMT
6. Hiroshima.  1 DMT
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you, sir, are a poet and a scholar.  dmt.  epic.  
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:32:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sq40:


You're joking right?

We are the lords of war and harbingers of death.  We've stacked Indian like cordwood, firebombed whole cities, nuked whole cities, fought our own states to kill millions, turned Koreans into walls of meat, barbecued Vietnamese people by the acre.  The list goes on.  We don't give a fuck about laying waste to as many people as we feel like.  Never have, never will.  We just have really good PR people.  
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
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Originally Posted By superspud:
so much propaganda from both sides, I have no idea what to believe.....

Ukraine appears to still be standing so I guess they are doing well?

What happened in the "peace talk" meeting the other day? guessing nothing?


Is Russia going to slow play this or will they go scorched earth soon?

I havnt been able to keep up this week as I've been working.


The sabre rattling is intensifying, especially between Russia and Belarus talking of expanding the war. Sweden and Finland are pretty scared right now.  Putin keeps bringing up Nukes and it's got everyone on edge. The sanctions have both China and India salivating at the idea of increasing their own standing for trade and finance.  Thankfully India and China aren't friends.

The global support for Ukraine is unlike anything I've ever seen.  The sheer balls of the Ukrainian people have emboldened and awoken something in Europe, from all of those memories of the Nazis and the Iron Curtain. I think Europe, especially as an unified EU would like to put an end to Russia once and for all.   With the talks of nukes in play, the NATO commanders are probably contemplating a preemptive strike to end 120 years of Russian threats and horrors. If we do first strike then it may be game on to just go ahead and clear the board of the rest of the west's enemies at the same time.  In for a penny, in for a pound.  If victorious, we will write history however we want and that will be that.


Man, that's a high hard grip you've got going on that furious wank.
We are not, and never will be the type of people to randomly kill millions.
Fortunately, we don't need to.


You're joking right?

We are the lords of war and harbingers of death.  We've stacked Indian like cordwood, firebombed whole cities, nuked whole cities, fought our own states to kill millions, turned Koreans into walls of meat, barbecued Vietnamese people by the acre.  The list goes on.  We don't give a fuck about laying waste to as many people as we feel like.  Never have, never will.  We just have really good PR people.  
Word. And QFT.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:33:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sq40:


Multiple vectors of attack.  Buildings would get hit with heat, pressure and gamma rays from all sides, sometimes repeatedly, over the course of hours.
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Originally Posted By FatSteve:
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

The thing that changed my idea of nuclear war forever is when I read that cities are not just targeted by one or two weapons, but DOZENS. The largest cities would get up to 75 or more warheads targeted at them. It is inconceivable what it would be like in the aftermath of such a strike.


Would 75 nukes really be worse for a city compared to 7 or 8?


Multiple vectors of attack.  Buildings would get hit with heat, pressure and gamma rays from all sides, sometimes repeatedly, over the course of hours.


Since you are from WV, couldn't resist........

Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:35:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SheltiePimp:


How long do they last, I have a bottle left over from Fukushima?
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Originally Posted By EasTexan:


Just as long as my potassium iodide tables get delivered first.


How long do they last, I have a bottle left over from Fukushima?


Until you die from bone cancer via strontium 90.


but around 7 years.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:35:15 AM EST
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Excellent news.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:36:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FatSteve:


I get the vectors thing.

What I'm asking is what city can withstand a nuke? I bumped up the scenario to 7 or 8 in response to Z's position of 75. My position is that >0 is probably untenable so >75 is a ridiculous waste of nukes.
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Originally Posted By FatSteve:
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

The thing that changed my idea of nuclear war forever is when I read that cities are not just targeted by one or two weapons, but DOZENS. The largest cities would get up to 75 or more warheads targeted at them. It is inconceivable what it would be like in the aftermath of such a strike.


Would 75 nukes really be worse for a city compared to 7 or 8?


Multiple vectors of attack.  Buildings would get hit with heat, pressure and gamma rays from all sides, sometimes repeatedly, over the course of hours.


I get the vectors thing.

What I'm asking is what city can withstand a nuke? I bumped up the scenario to 7 or 8 in response to Z's position of 75. My position is that >0 is probably untenable so >75 is a ridiculous waste of nukes.


I think it comes down to a multitude of factors. More warheads spread over a larger area takes out not only the city center, but all of the industry within X miles radius.  So everyone within commuting distance gets hit.  It’s a hedge against detonation or delivery failures. Cities themselves can be fairly nuclear resistant due to sheer mass alone. The airburst break the tops off some buildings, collapse others, but lower parts will survive.  Think of it like kicking down a jenga tower from above. Then there are secondary targets around the cities, power, coms, dams, fuel depots.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:36:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By PalmettoSharpshooter:
Since there's so many of these maps, I assume it's all speculation.

Here's another

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I like this one better.

no darts in the map close to me.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:38:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Consigli:


Now we are talking! Finally, a First Strike post. Think I'll go fix myself a drink of grain alcohol and rainwater!
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need to preserve the purity of our essential bodily fluids.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:39:15 AM EST
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I'm not sure if anyone is noticing, but Turkey is doing the right stuff in regards to this war.

Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:39:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By racer765:


sane well educated single actor in his close circle with the full realization it's a suicide mission acting to prevent billions of deaths?  doesn't need popular support.  I'm still thinking days.

booth almost got away.
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Actually, from talking with my friends, a lot of Russians are pro war. It is also not guaranteed at this point yet that they will turn against Putin vs the West. Hence why Putin is ramping up the propaganda. Putin has to lose his support in order for a coup to be successful. My money is still on him being assassinated within 2 weeks.


sane well educated single actor in his close circle with the full realization it's a suicide mission acting to prevent billions of deaths?  doesn't need popular support.  I'm still thinking days.

booth almost got away.

It doesn’t matter what the Russian people think.  They aren’t getting to Putin even if they wanted to, but neither can they save Putin.  It only matters what the Russian elites (or Putin’s inner circle - someone with access) thinks.  Someone out there in power must have had their son turned to ash on a fool’s errand.

Let’s go over Putin’s accomplishments this week:
1)Utter and complete miscalculation of the situation in Ukraine
2)Heavy loss of Russian lives and prestige
3)Major and every day increasing damage to the Russian economy, particularly including the most powerful oligarchs.
4)Loss of the threat value of the Russian nuclear arsenal.  Europe MUST call his nuclear bluff.
5)No endgame in sight in Ukraine with advanced weapons flowing in from all over the world every day.  The bloodshed for Russia will become significantly greater the longer this continues.
6)Guaranteed weaker position in Europe even if “winning” in Ukraine.  He unified the EU, and the EU (particularly Germany and Poland) will HAVE to develop nuclear weapons and delivery systems ASAP, making Putin’s fantasy of conquering Europe moot anyway.  He’s also forced the EU to reconsider their energy dependence on Russia - ergo the Russian economy is even more fucked in the long term.  He has checkmated his own plan.
7)I certainly won’t claim to be in the know, but Putin’s actions and rhetoric must have the west seriously considering a first strike to decapitate Russia and limit damage to themselves.  IMO this is a very real possibility.

Russia’s situation is FUCKING DIRE and getting worse, and the people in the know over there must understand that.  Putin may well be unhinged, but I don’t think the entire Russian power structure is stupid, evil, or crazy.  What is the likelihood that the powerful in Russia just let the lunatic that fucked up this badly - destroy everything, themselves included?  I think he gets a bullet, but sadly it will take more death before that happens.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:39:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BlueSetter:

If everyone launches everything and they all boom?  It’s a wrap.  Few cockroaches, the raccoon that keeps tipping my trash  cans, a couple dudes in Florida and maybe some weird lava eating bacteria on the ocean floor.   That’s it.  Whatever survives the blast dies from nuclear winter.
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I was believing you until you said nuclear winter.


No such thing. Green peace propaganda.

The rest of you argument is now suspect.
Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:43:08 AM EST
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Link Posted: 3/3/2022 12:44:30 AM EST
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I've been under the impression that nobody really knows exactly how effective EMP bursts would be. It's not something that has actually been demonstrated.
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I think they're probably confident it will work.  I wouldn't be surprised if the major nuclear powers don't have a small amount of nukes tasked/designed for this purpose.  

There was some testing during the 60's (Starfish Prime).  It was a rather big bomb though, 1.4 megatons.  That's close to the biggest the US has in its arsenal, but I don't think those are mounted on any missile.  


Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 900 miles (1,450 km) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[1]: 5  setting off numerous burglar alarms, and damaging a telephone company microwave link.[6] The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[7]

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