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Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:50:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Obo2:

gab is full of some great people as well as the dregs that were banned everywhere else.

I don't blame anyone for having lots of questions about this conflict
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They have questions but the research on Gab is shit.

Poster 1 "I'm hearing sasquatch has moved to the Pocatello area"

Poster 2 "I'm hearing the same, and the MSM is silent on the issue so it must be true"

Poster 1 "I just found an article on http://5G-is-harmful-to-cryptids.org/news/notfake/bigfootharmedby5G.html.

Poster 3." That checks with what I've always known"


Poster 2 "I called the BLM and they hung up on me so you know they're in on it so I called back and told them they're traitors"

Poster  "That makes it double confirmed, so now that we know Bigfoot is in Pocatello and 5G was designed as a weapon against living things"


Yadda yadda yadda.
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:51:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:



You don't get it.

Before August of 1945, the powers of the world went to war against each other regularly. The British Empire vs the French vs the Spanish vs the Russians vs the Japanese... they all duked it out constantly.

After "the war to end all wars" ended on November 11, 1918, the world made it a whopping 20 years and 9 months before an even bigger war kicked off.

It has been 76 years and 5 months since that war ended, and the major powers of the world have yet to go to war against each other since, and it isn't due to a lack of hate or motivation. What's the reason? Nuclear weapons.

Nuclear powers going to direct war against each other is a no win scenario, and nobody is willing to risk that escalation.

Proxy wars are the global norm, and they have been since the start of the Korean War in June of 1950. This is how the powers of the world fight now. Regardless of how you or anyone else feels about it, it's how the world works.

The Ukrainians are fighting their asses off, but they aren't holding the line without help. Intel and lethal aid supplied by NATO is making the difference. Russia is burning resources at a rate that could break them as a nation. Again, this is how wars are fought now.
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
Originally Posted By BlueSetter:

First, F Austin! He couldn’t be more wrong or any weaker.  NATO is the problem not the solution.  For Ukraine’s neighboring countries, this invasion absolutely warrants a military response.  That is indisputable.  Suggesting that membership in a defense alliance precludes them from taking defensive measures is illogical.
If Russia is a threat to Poland or the Baltic’s or any others and is waging war on a bordering country, there is no other appropriate response. Under what circumstances would we allow the invasion of a country that shares our borders by an adversary or enemy?  
We need another Gipper, ASAP.

Originally Posted By BlueSetter:

They’ve not been given any other option but to surrender.  Of course they’re fighting at all costs for what is theirs.   If they weren’t willing to fight, I’d never suggest anyone else should.  EU absolutely created the circumstances that lead to this invasion.  They absolutely should intervene with force.


You don't get it.

Before August of 1945, the powers of the world went to war against each other regularly. The British Empire vs the French vs the Spanish vs the Russians vs the Japanese... they all duked it out constantly.

After "the war to end all wars" ended on November 11, 1918, the world made it a whopping 20 years and 9 months before an even bigger war kicked off.

It has been 76 years and 5 months since that war ended, and the major powers of the world have yet to go to war against each other since, and it isn't due to a lack of hate or motivation. What's the reason? Nuclear weapons.

Nuclear powers going to direct war against each other is a no win scenario, and nobody is willing to risk that escalation.

Proxy wars are the global norm, and they have been since the start of the Korean War in June of 1950. This is how the powers of the world fight now. Regardless of how you or anyone else feels about it, it's how the world works.

The Ukrainians are fighting their asses off, but they aren't holding the line without help. Intel and lethal aid supplied by NATO is making the difference. Russia is burning resources at a rate that could break them as a nation. Again, this is how wars are fought now.


Yup
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:51:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

According to Wiki, Russian quantities are pretty staggering.  
2800 active tanks and 16,000 reserve.
5,160 active infantry fighting vehicles and 19,000 reserve.
6,100 APC and 18,000 reserve
1,610 self-propelled artillery and 4,000 reserve
2,531 SAM systems and 1,352 rocket artillery.

That's over 72,000 vehicles. And Ukraine has knocked out a few hundred? Let's say 2/3 of them are in such poor condition they can't be used. Can Ukraine keep wrecking enough vehicles to hold off 10,000 ground vehicles? That's a heavy load.

To repeat Stalin, quantity has a quality all its own.

Let's also concede that 90% of Russian soldiers suck. 1,000,000 active and 2,000,000 reserve. Killing 10,000 a week isn't going to save Ukraine.

Again, I'm not saying Ukraine can't win, or establish a draw. But they have a staggering challenge.
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
[b]Originally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD:
People keep saying this, regroup with what. What money? Do people think equipment is so easily procured for Russia? They are not able to just get more good soldier (lol) or top equipment (lol).

They already barely had any, and now its all blown to shit.

According to Wiki, Russian quantities are pretty staggering.  
2800 active tanks and 16,000 reserve.
5,160 active infantry fighting vehicles and 19,000 reserve.
6,100 APC and 18,000 reserve
1,610 self-propelled artillery and 4,000 reserve
2,531 SAM systems and 1,352 rocket artillery.

That's over 72,000 vehicles. And Ukraine has knocked out a few hundred? Let's say 2/3 of them are in such poor condition they can't be used. Can Ukraine keep wrecking enough vehicles to hold off 10,000 ground vehicles? That's a heavy load.

To repeat Stalin, quantity has a quality all its own.

Let's also concede that 90% of Russian soldiers suck. 1,000,000 active and 2,000,000 reserve. Killing 10,000 a week isn't going to save Ukraine.

Again, I'm not saying Ukraine can't win, or establish a draw. But they have a staggering challenge.


I think at this point on vehicles, from observed break downs, you can write off completely anything listed as "reserve" and only count on 2/3 of active to be working. So more like 13,000 vehicles
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:51:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:

That is supposed to and entire army being pulled in from the other side of russia... Like 5 thousand miles away.
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Originally Posted By ludder093:
What do we have here?



That is supposed to and entire army being pulled in from the other side of russia... Like 5 thousand miles away.
I hope their trains are as well maintained as their military vehicles.
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:52:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FrankyRay:

Okay, I'll be the one to ask... What is that painting of?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:52:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:


history lesson warning

 This is difficult for many to understand because it’s complex but we were ruled by the Baltic Germans for many centuries,including under the Tsars. Our local government and so forth was German dominated from our release from serfdom in 1820 until WWI and our War of Independence against both them and the Communists. My city was called Reval for a long time. These Baltic Germans don’t exist anymore really because of mass flight in stages from WWI and II but their legacy is still here.
 Given the choice between German imperial overlords,which we had for centuries and understood,and the murderous rule of the Communists it would have been zero choice at all. This is a complexity that many who do not know our history cannot understand as to why it was easy for men to join the Baltic SS units.

 Of course there is the aspect that if the moron Rüdiger von der Goltz not attacked us rather than the Reds,together we may have thrown the Communists out of Saint Petersburg and the US and UK could have occupied it rather than an arctic hellhole but 🤷🏼‍♂️ He had to skip ahead with his idea of a Baltic German empire rather than realize the Brits would have allowed the Germans to have us anyway. Dumb bastard.
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Baltic SS members were considered non-political and automatically denazified by the Western allies after the war.  Estionian SS members guarded the German prisoners during the Nuremberg Trials.

Mike
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:52:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By martin248:


This site is certainly an UNDER estimate, but it's a tally of the confirmed losses, including only things with photographic proof:

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1

It's actually bad news for UKR, as while destroying 2-3 Russian vehicles for every 1 they lose is excellent performance, Russia's numerical advantage is larger than that.

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If the repurposed captured Russian tanks etc they might last longer.
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:53:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

Lol

Take a look at everything Ukraine says they have destroyed, double it, then look at how much stuff Russia has total.

You're right, it's not fast to make, but Russia has a ton on reserve and it sounds like they're about to start a draft of every dude in the country.  

If they took a break and came up with a new battle plan that isn't leaked they might actually accomplish something. Along with Ukraine and NATO possibly being off guard.

Or whatever


The biggest problem for Russia I think would be financing it
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
Originally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD:


People keep saying this, regroup with what. What money? Do people think equipment is so easily procured for Russia? They are not able to just get more good soldier (lol) or top equipment (lol).

They already barely had any, and now its all blown to shit.

Lol

Take a look at everything Ukraine says they have destroyed, double it, then look at how much stuff Russia has total.

You're right, it's not fast to make, but Russia has a ton on reserve and it sounds like they're about to start a draft of every dude in the country.  

If they took a break and came up with a new battle plan that isn't leaked they might actually accomplish something. Along with Ukraine and NATO possibly being off guard.

Or whatever


The biggest problem for Russia I think would be financing it


It doesn't matter what Russia has in reserve if the shit doesn't work.

It also doesn't matter what Russia has in reserve if they don't have people trained to use it.

We've already seen that Russia's best equipment is breaking down due to obvious neglect and their best people have no idea what they're doing. Those trends are unlikely to improve with attrition, and even if they do, the Ukrainians are getting happy fun time deliveries from NATO every day, and they're learning tricks of their own.
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:53:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FrankyRay:

Okay, I'll be the one to ask... What is that painting of?
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The text they are composing in the painting:

The Cossacks' reply came as a stream of insulting and vulgar rhymes:

Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!

O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou shalt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Christian sons. We have no fear of your army; by land and by sea we will battle with thee. Fuck thy mother.

Thou Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow. Screw thine own mother!

So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord. The day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

— Koshovyi otaman Ivan Sirko, with the whole Zaporozhian Host


Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:55:14 PM EDT
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That's on the far side of Russia.  Close to 4000 miles away...
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:55:33 PM EDT
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I don't know.  The Russian military looked pretty bad ass in that recruiting video.   I'm almost thinking recruiters will lie about things to get people to sign up.  Glad that doesn't happen here!
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Originally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD:


People keep saying this, regroup with what. What money? Do people think equipment is so easily procured for Russia? They are not able to just get more good soldier (lol) or top equipment (lol).

They already barely had any, and now its all blown to shit.
I don't know.  The Russian military looked pretty bad ass in that recruiting video.   I'm almost thinking recruiters will lie about things to get people to sign up.  Glad that doesn't happen here!

You men those videos aren't real???  I thought all Russian soldiers could eat fire, shit lightening, and pound a nail into an oak board with their cock.
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:55:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

According to Wiki, Russian quantities are pretty staggering.  
2800 active tanks and 16,000 reserve.
5,160 active infantry fighting vehicles and 19,000 reserve.
6,100 APC and 18,000 reserve
1,610 self-propelled artillery and 4,000 reserve
2,531 SAM systems and 1,352 rocket artillery.

That's over 72,000 vehicles. And Ukraine has knocked out a few hundred? Let's say 2/3 of them are in such poor condition they can't be used. Can Ukraine keep wrecking enough vehicles to hold off 10,000 ground vehicles? That's a heavy load.

To repeat Stalin, quantity has a quality all its own.

Let's also concede that 90% of Russian soldiers suck. 1,000,000 active and 2,000,000 reserve. Killing 10,000 a week isn't going to save Ukraine.

Again, I'm not saying Ukraine can't win, or establish a draw. But they have a staggering challenge.
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How much of that is also part of the 'ghost' army where clerks and shit wrote down numbers that dont exist?
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:55:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:

But that is Ukrainian's decision to make and I have not seen any examples of them giving up, plenty of Russians seem ready to take a knee though...  Give Ukraine the tools and let them fight for their land.
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They have proven they are warriors. They are not likely to surrender.  
They have asked repeatedly for intervention.  They’ve asked every day publicly for closed air space.  You can be courageous and hardened warriors and still seek help at the same time.  EU policy caused this, they should step in immediately.
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:56:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Obo2:

we have a thread started to help fund eesmith to bring medical supplies. She was waiting on her first flight last I saw.
There is also one with stickers or patches. I am sure either of those would love to coordinate with you.
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No offense, but I think it is a waste of time to fly a foreigner to a country to deliver medical supplies when there are locals on the ground that are accepted and known.  Does EESMITH have a network in place?  Also there are other issues at play here.

Right now I think they are having issues with too many foreigners that are coming in, not knowing what they are doing, clogging up the very limited supply chain and logistics network (at least from what I'm hearing from a contact with the local guy running this operation in our area).  I live here and know many locals who are now reaching out to more locals in the hard hit areas so they know where to send the aid.  I just don't think this is going to be a quick trip but a long process.

I wish I wasn't out of contact these last few days before I had the opportunity to get a local network together to effect a sustainable relief effort.  Expats & visitors are two completely different groups and mindset.
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Originally Posted By aswrg7:



Google translate:


Assessment of Russia's prospects by an FSB analyst
March 04, 2022
“I’ll be honest right away: I hardly slept all these days, almost all the time at work, my head is slightly floating, as if in a fog. And from overwork, sometimes I already catch states, as if all this is not real.

To be honest, the Pandora's box is open - a real global horror will begin by the summer - global famine is inevitable (Russia and Ukraine were the main suppliers of grain in the world, this year's harvest will be smaller, and logistical problems will bring the catastrophe to a peak point).

I can't tell you what guided those at the top when deciding on the operation, but now they are methodically lowering all the dogs on us (the Service). We are scolded for analytics - this is very in my profile, so I will explain what is wrong.

Recently, we have been increasingly pressed to customize reports to the requirements of management - I once touched on this topic. All these political consultants, politicians and their retinue, influence teams - all this created chaos. Strong.

The most important thing is that no one knew that there would be such a war, they hid it from everyone. And here's an example for you: you are asked (conditionally) to calculate the possibility of human rights protection in different conditions, including the attack of prisons by meteorites. You specify about meteorites, they tell you - this is so, reinsurance for calculations, nothing like this will happen. You understand that the report will be just for show, but you need to write in a victorious style so that there are no questions, they say, why do you have so many problems, did you really work badly. In general, a report is being written that when a meteorite falls, we have everything to eliminate the consequences, we are great, everything is fine. And you concentrate on tasks that are real - we don’t have enough strength anyway.And then suddenly they really throw meteorites and expect that everything will be according to your analytics, which was written from the bulldozer.

That is why we have a total piz_ets - I don’t even want to pick another word. There is no protection from sanctions for the same reason: well, it’s quite possible that Nabiullina will be sewn up with negligence (rather, the switchmen from her team), but what are they to blame for? No one knew that there would be such a war, so no one prepared for such sanctions. This is the reverse side of secrecy: since no one was told, then who could calculate what no one told about?

Kadyrov is going crazy. And the conflict almost started with us: perhaps even the Ukrainians threw in misinformation that it was we who handed over the routes of Kadyrov's special forces in the first days of the operation. They were covered there on the march in a terrible way, they had not yet begun to fight, but they were simply torn to pieces in some places. And off we go: it was the FSB that leaked the routes to the Ukrainians. I do not have such information, I will leave 1-2% for reliability (it cannot be ruled out at all either).

Blitzkrieg failed. It is simply impossible to complete the task now: if Zelensky and the authorities were captured in the first 1-3 days, they seized all the key buildings in Kyiv, they gave them the order to surrender - yes, the resistance would subside to the minimum values. In theory. But what's next? Even with this ideal variant, there was an unsolvable problem: with whom to negotiate? If we demolish Zelensky, well, with whom should we sign agreements? If with Zelensky, then after we demolish it, these papers are worth nothing. Opposition Platform for Life refused to cooperate: Medvedchuk is a coward, he fled. There is a second leader there - Boyko, but he refuses to work with us - even his own people will not understand him. They wanted to return Tsarev, so even our pro-Russians turned against him.Return Yanukovych? But as? If we say that it is impossible to occupy, then any of our authorities will be killed there in 10 minutes, as we leave. Occupy? Where are we going to get so many people? Commandant's offices, military police, counterintelligence, security - even with minimal local resistance, we need 500 thousand or more people. Not counting the supply system. And there is a rule that by covering the poor quality of management with quantity, you only spoil everything. And this, I repeat, would be with the ideal option, which does not exist.we need 500 thousand or more people. Not counting the supply system. And there is a rule that by covering the poor quality of management with quantity, you only spoil everything. And this, I repeat, would be with the ideal option, which does not exist.we need 500 thousand or more people.Not counting the supply system. And there is a rule that by covering the poor quality of management with quantity, you only spoil everything. And this, I repeat, would be with the ideal option, which does not exist.

What now? We cannot announce mobilization for two reasons:

1) Large-scale mobilization will undermine the situation inside the country: political, economic, social.

2) Our logistics are already overstretched today. We will drive a many times larger contingent, and what will we get? Ukraine is a hefty country in terms of territory. And now the level of hatred towards us is going through the roof. Our roads simply won't be able to handle such supply caravans - everything will come to a standstill. And we won't manage to pull it out - because it's chaos.

And these two reasons fall out at the same time, although even one is enough to break everything off.

Losses: I don't know how many there are. Nobody knows. The first two days there was still control, now no one knows what is going on there. You can lose large units in communication. They can be found, or they can dissolve due to being attacked. And there, even the commanders may not know how many of them are running around somewhere nearby, how many died, how many are in captivity. The number of deaths is definitely in the thousands. Maybe 10 thousand, maybe 5, or maybe only 2. Even at the headquarters they don’t know for sure. But it should be closer to 10. And now we don’t count the LDNR corps - they have their own accounting.

Now, even if Zelensky is killed, captured, nothing will change. There is Chechnya in terms of hatred towards us. And now even those who were loyal to us are opposed. Because it was planned from above, because we were told that there would be no such option, unless we were attacked. Because they explained that it was necessary to create the most credible threat in order to peacefully agree on the right conditions. Because we were initially preparing protests within Ukraine against Zelensky. Excluding our direct entry. Intrusions, to put it simply.

Further civilian losses will go exponentially - and resistance to us will also only increase. They already tried to enter the cities with infantry - out of twenty landing groups, only one had a conditional success. Remember the assault on Mosul - after all, this is the rule, so it was in all countries, nothing new.

Keep under siege? According to the experience of military conflicts in the same Europe in recent decades (Serbia is the largest testing ground here), cities can be under siege for years, and even function. Humanitarian convoys from Europe there are a matter of time.

We have a conditional deadline of June. Conditional - because in June we have no economy left, nothing remains. By and large, next week there will be a turning point in one of the sides, simply because the situation cannot be in such an overstrain. There are no analytics - it is impossible to calculate the chaos, here no one can say anything for sure. Act intuitively, and even on emotions - but this is not poker for you. Rates will rise, in the hope that suddenly some option will shoot through. The trouble is that we, too, can now miscalculate and lose everything in one move.

By and large, the country has no way out. It’s just that there is no option for a possible victory, and defeat is everything, sailed at all. They 100% repeated the beginning of the last century, when they decided to kick weak Japan and get a quick victory, then it turned out that the army was in trouble. then they started the war to the bitter end, then they began to take the Bolsheviks for "re-education" into the army - after all, they were outcasts, uninteresting to anyone in the masses. And then, the Bolsheviks, who were not really known to anyone, picked up anti-war slogans and it started like this ...

From the pros: we did everything so that even a hint of the mass sending of "penalty boxes" to the front line did not pass. Send convicts and "socially unreliable" political prisoners there (so that they don't mess with the water inside the country) - the morale of the army will simply go into the negative. And the enemy is motivated, terribly motivated. He knows how to fight, there are enough middle-level commanders there. There are weapons. They have support. We will simply set a precedent for human loss in the world. And that's it.

What we are most afraid of: at the top, they act according to the rule of overlapping the old problem with a new problem. Largely for this reason, the Donbass of 2014 began - it was necessary to divert the attention of Westerners from the topic of the Russian spring in Crimea, so the Donbass crisis, it seems, should have drawn all the attention to itself and become the subject of bargaining. But there were even bigger problems. Then they decided to push Erdogan into 4 pipes of the South Stream and entered Syria - this is after Soleimani gave deliberately false inputs in order to solve his problems. As a result, it was not possible to close the issue with Crimea, there are also problems with the Donbass, the South Stream has shrunk to 2 pipes, and Syria has hung with another headache (if we go out, they will demolish Assad,which will make us look like idiots, but it’s also difficult and useless to sit).

I don't know who came up with the "Ukrainian Blitzkrieg". If we were given real introductory information, we would at least indicate that the original plan is controversial, that we need to double-check a lot. A lot of things. Now we got into the shit somewhere up to the neck. And it is not clear what to do. "Denazification" and "demilitarization" are not analytical categories, because they do not have clearly defined parameters by which one can determine the level of accomplishment or non-completion of the task.

Now it remains to be seen that some fucking adviser will convince the top to start a conflict with Europe demanding to reduce some sanctions. Or reduce, or war. What if they refuse? Now I do not rule out that then we will be drawn into a real international conflict, like Hitler in 1939. And then our Z will be compared to us with a swastika.

Is there a possibility of a local nuclear strike? Yes. Not for military purposes (it will not give anything - this is a defense breakthrough weapon), but with the aim of intimidating others. At the same time, the soil is being prepared to turn everything to Ukraine - Naryshkin and his SVR are now digging the earth to prove that they secretly created nuclear weapons there. Damn, they are now hammering on what we have long studied and dismantled: you can’t draw evidence here on your knee, and the presence of specialists and uranium (Ukraine has a lot of depleted isotope 23:cool: - this is about nothing. You can’t even do a “dirty” bomb quietly, but the fact that their old nuclear power plants can produce weapons-grade plutonium (REB-1000 type stations provide it in minimal quantities as a “by-product”

Do you know what will happen next week? Well, even after two. Now it will cover us so much that we will start to miss the hungry 90s. While the auction was closed, Nabiullina seemed to be taking normal steps - but it's all like plugging a hole in a dam with a finger. It will still break through, and even stronger. Nothing will be decided in 3, 5, or 10 days.

Kadyrov beats his hoof for a reason - they have their own adventures there. He created for himself the image of the most influential and invincible. And if it falls once, it will be taken down by its own people. He will no longer be the owner of the winning teip.

We go further. Syria. "The guys will hold out, everything will be over in Ukraine - and there in Syria we will again strengthen everything in positions." And now, at any moment, they can wait there for the contingent to run out of resources - and such a heat will set in ... Turkey blocks the straits - to transport supplies there by planes, it's like heating an oven with money.

Notice that all this is happening at the same time, we don’t even have time to bring everything into one heap. We have a situation, like in Germany in the 43-44th. At the start right away. Sometimes I am already lost from this overwork, sometimes it seems that everything was a dream and it was a dream, that everything is as before.

In prisons, by the way, it will be worse. Now the nuts will begin to tighten so that to the bloody ichor. Everywhere. To be honest, purely technically, this remains the only chance to keep the situation - we are already in the mode of total mobilization. But you can’t stay in such a regime for a long time, and we have ambiguity with the timing and it will only get worse for now. From mobilization, management always goes astray. Yes, and imagine: you can run a hundred meters in a snatch, but it’s bad to go to a marathon distance and give a jerk with all your might. Here we rushed with the Ukrainian question, as if we were running a hundred meters, and fit into a cross-country marathon.

And that's what I'm talking about very, very briefly.

From the cynical, I will only add that I do not believe that VV Putin will press the red button to destroy the whole world.

Firstly, there is more than one person making a decision, at least someone will jump off. And there are a lot of people there - there is no "one-man red button".

Secondly, there are some doubts that everything is functioning successfully there. Experience shows that the greater the transparency and control, the easier it is to identify shortcomings. And where it is not clear who controls and how, but always bravura reports - everything is always wrong there. I'm not sure if the red button system works as advertised. In addition, the plutonium charge must be changed every 10 years.

Thirdly, and this is the most vile and sad thing, I personally do not believe in the readiness to sacrifice oneself of a person who does not let the members of the Federation Council, but his closest representatives and ministers, come close to him. For fear of the coronavirus or an attack, it doesn't matter. If you are afraid to let the most trusted people near you, then how will you dare to destroy yourself and your loved ones, inclusive?

If anything - ask, but I can not answer for several days. We are in rush mode, and there are more and more tasks.

In general, our reports are peppy, but everything flies in the pi_du.


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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

No, I don't think it should be illegal.

I'm just really reluctant to say "their company, their rules" should have no limits. I know it's going to be used against me someday. Not because I have an interest in invading my neighbor without provocation, but because I'm politically undesirable.

It's so easy in the current instance because Russia is pretty much a modern Nazi Germany. But the next instance will be more gray. The Left in America already blasts Republicans & conservatives for being fans & tools of Putin, Russian stooges and fascists. Chances are that in a year or two, it's going to be all these companies saying, "hey, we're cutting off right wing extremists in the US just like we did their counterparts in Russia."

I'm saying that fascism is already rearing its head here in the US. Companies are too willing to play politics, and the Democrats are happy to help them do that. Every time you hear people express their commitment to "diversity, inclusion, and equity," they're admitting they're Marxist, but politely. Russia is an easy punching bag today. That doesn't mean we don't have to fear authoritarians right here tomorrow.
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Canada just did it to private citizens donating to a legal protest, and to those protesting. Funny how this shit kicked off right after little castro backed down.
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This site is certainly an UNDER estimate, but it's a tally of the confirmed losses, including only things with photographic proof:

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1

It's actually bad news for UKR, as while destroying 2-3 Russian vehicles for every 1 they lose is excellent performance, Russia's numerical advantage is larger than that.

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But as this has shown out, you don't need tanks and vehicles to DEFEND, you do need them to invade and help move men and gear. At this rate, they are going to be sending in drafted 12 year olds with a compass and slingshot.  If Ukraine can continue to do hit and runs with javelins, stingers, drones, etc, it really is a war of attrition.  Russia very well may run so low on equipment that is operable that they actually lose this thing.  

We don't know the actual on the ground numbers of what each side has, and can get.  I'm sure US and NATO does at this point.  If Ukraine can hold out much longer it is going to be devastating even further to the Russians. Now it is a question of how willing is Russia to move onto full destroy everything more.  They are already in quagmire mode.  Even if they "win" the random civilian hits on Russian troops will go on forever.

But Ukraine has to make a choice.  What deal are they willing to take to stop this madness.

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The S-400 performance is a serious question.  With how shitty pretty much everything else Russian has shown in this, I really hope it is an overpriced steaming pile of shit.
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The Israelis have no issue getting around the S400 whenever they want to...  Everyone was saying, "they have an agreement with Russia not to target them", etc. but based on what we have seen in Ukraine and Iraq, I'm going with highly overrated as the most likely answer to Russian AD.
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Originally Posted By BlueSetter:

I don’t think US forces should join the fight, I think EU should. The western world absolutely has the capability to stop the mass killing of civilians immediately.  Those convoys could be destroyed immediately.  Missile defense could intercept launches from outside immediately.  All remaining assets Russia has staged could be rendered useless immediately. If the nuke threat is a deterrent, we might as well roll over and watch Putin March on because it will forever be a threat.
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:


Yep.

One of the harder truths is that civilian casualties are part of war. Escalating this war means MORE civilian casualties, not less. There is no "something" we can do "to stop the killing of civilians immediately."

Ukraine is in a bad spot, but they're doing very well for a nation with no allies that's been invaded by a much larger nation. Russia has inflicted a lot of damage and pain on Ukraine, but Ukraine has Russia bleeding out.

I don’t think US forces should join the fight, I think EU should. The western world absolutely has the capability to stop the mass killing of civilians immediately.  Those convoys could be destroyed immediately.  Missile defense could intercept launches from outside immediately.  All remaining assets Russia has staged could be rendered useless immediately. If the nuke threat is a deterrent, we might as well roll over and watch Putin March on because it will forever be a threat.


You cannot decouple the US from the EU.

EU = NATO = US. We're hitched to that wagon whether or not we want to be.

Russia hasn't attacked NATO for the same reason NATO hasn't attacked Russia. Unless Putin is truly overdue for a trip to the loony bin or unless he decides he wants to go out in a hail of ICBMs (and nobody stops him), that's not going to change.
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Spare parts.
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Originally Posted By mongo001:


Chernobyl operators were running a test that the plant wasn't designed for. In fact, the plant was designed to prevent the conditions of that test to occur.

Operators overrided safety features to get the conditions they wanted. Kaboom happened. Nobody should be surprised by that.

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Originally Posted By nickmemphis:

Well, MY question is, and please, honest question, are you nuke plant operators and SMEs referring to the reactors like we have here, regarding what would happen and what safety systems would be triggered in this or that event, or a reactor in Eastern Europe? Because I don't know. I know there was no way Chernobyl would have made it to a stamp on the plans, let alone get built here. But it got built there, and ran ~40 years even after it blew up and spewed nuclides all over creation. Well...3/4 reactors did anyway.


Chernobyl operators were running a test that the plant wasn't designed for. In fact, the plant was designed to prevent the conditions of that test to occur.

Operators overrided safety features to get the conditions they wanted. Kaboom happened. Nobody should be surprised by that.


Technically they were testing a new safety feature (drawing electricity from the inertia of the turbines while the backup generated were starting) but the conditions of the demand profile left the reactor poisoned.

Mike
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How much of that is also part of the 'ghost' army where clerks and shit wrote down numbers that dont exist?
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

According to Wiki, Russian quantities are pretty staggering.  
2800 active tanks and 16,000 reserve.
5,160 active infantry fighting vehicles and 19,000 reserve.
6,100 APC and 18,000 reserve
1,610 self-propelled artillery and 4,000 reserve
2,531 SAM systems and 1,352 rocket artillery.

That's over 72,000 vehicles. And Ukraine has knocked out a few hundred? Let's say 2/3 of them are in such poor condition they can't be used. Can Ukraine keep wrecking enough vehicles to hold off 10,000 ground vehicles? That's a heavy load.

To repeat Stalin, quantity has a quality all its own.

Let's also concede that 90% of Russian soldiers suck. 1,000,000 active and 2,000,000 reserve. Killing 10,000 a week isn't going to save Ukraine.

Again, I'm not saying Ukraine can't win, or establish a draw. But they have a staggering challenge.
How much of that is also part of the 'ghost' army where clerks and shit wrote down numbers that dont exist?
And how many of those vehicles that actually were real have been sold off by unpaid staff to the black market but kept on the books?

And how many have been cannibalized to actually make the shit run that's just been blown to shit in UKR?
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A ton of burned up trucks, are they considered "cars"
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Eesmith is on the way over. Check back a couple of pages for the details. Wonder if their is a link up possibility. She is also in contact with a couple other AR folks.
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I'm over 200 pages behind because I had to evacuate 2 families to Italy and didn't have time to monitor.  As stated, flying to UA with medical supplies is more of a feel good thing when you don't have an established network to get to the right people.  But that's my opinion after seeing what's going on here and talking with locals today.

Going into Poland and then crossing the border to hop a train to Kiev or other battle areas when you don't know the languages and don't look like the locals, who are very paranoid now could cause distractions.
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That's on the far side of Russia.  Close to 4000 miles away...
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Originally Posted By ludder093:
What do we have here?




That's on the far side of Russia.  Close to 4000 miles away...


They're obviously expecting a long war, that will still be going when those tanks arrive. The Ukrainians also have to realize the zombies are going to keep on coming. No matter what they destroyed, Russia will keep sending more.
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Over 9,000 dead russian troops.
Russia has over 800,000 troops.
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Originally Posted By ludder093:


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Over 9,000 dead russian troops.
Russia has over 800,000 troops.



Ukraine has 42,000,000 people who hate Russians.
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Yah, okay. Like China gives a shit. They want Western money.
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I love it lol...



Slava Ukraini, Heroyam Slava
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Everyone is taping them on.  Kinda funny where I am.  Worse that there are large groups of guys standing around "guarding" places with no weapons or knowledge what to do.  The ultimate hall monitor but these folks aren't sleeping and have very high stress levels (me included) so they need to feel that they're doing something while actually doing nothing but wasting time and getting drunk.
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I will tell you this much...

from the amount of refugees in Hungary that are Ukrainian..

I am seeing a good majority are just women and children.

Hardly any men except old ones.

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Yah, okay. Like China gives a shit. They want Western money.
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I don’t know why China would want to do anything after watching Russia absolutely destroy its economy in a week. Russia alone isn’t going to be able to feed China after the entire west walks.
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They've defeated the S300 at will with F15s and F16s in Syria and Iran. I don't think Russia has deployed the S400 outside of its territories, probably because they know it would ultimately be captured for intel.
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Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24:


But as this has shown out, you don't need tanks and vehicles to DEFEND, you do need them to invade and help move men and gear. At this rate, they are going to be sending in drafted 12 year olds with a compass and slingshot.  If Ukraine can continue to do hit and runs with javelins, stingers, drones, etc, it really is a war of attrition.  Russia very well may run so low on equipment that is operable that they actually lose this thing.  

We don't know the actual on the ground numbers of what each side has, and can get.  I'm sure US and NATO does at this point.  If Ukraine can hold out much longer it is going to be devastating even further to the Russians. Now it is a question of how willing is Russia to move onto full destroy everything more.  They are already in quagmire mode.  Even if they "win" the random civilian hits on Russian troops will go on forever.

But Ukraine has to make a choice.  What deal are they willing to take to stop this madness.

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Originally Posted By martin248:


This site is certainly an UNDER estimate, but it's a tally of the confirmed losses, including only things with photographic proof:

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1

It's actually bad news for UKR, as while destroying 2-3 Russian vehicles for every 1 they lose is excellent performance, Russia's numerical advantage is larger than that.



But as this has shown out, you don't need tanks and vehicles to DEFEND, you do need them to invade and help move men and gear. At this rate, they are going to be sending in drafted 12 year olds with a compass and slingshot.  If Ukraine can continue to do hit and runs with javelins, stingers, drones, etc, it really is a war of attrition.  Russia very well may run so low on equipment that is operable that they actually lose this thing.  

We don't know the actual on the ground numbers of what each side has, and can get.  I'm sure US and NATO does at this point.  If Ukraine can hold out much longer it is going to be devastating even further to the Russians. Now it is a question of how willing is Russia to move onto full destroy everything more.  They are already in quagmire mode.  Even if they "win" the random civilian hits on Russian troops will go on forever.

But Ukraine has to make a choice.  What deal are they willing to take to stop this madness.



Don't underestimate Putin's willingness to let Russians die for the benefit of his own ego. Russia bled for ten years in Afghanistan before the US did, suffering daily losses. He's not going to be deterred by poor people's conscripted kids being picked off by insurgents.

The best chance is that this becomes so costly somebody he knows puts a bullet in his head, otherwise I don't think it ends.
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Me looking at all the messed-up Russian vehicles:

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Their lack of convoy security has me really drooling for one as well
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Originally Posted By FredTheLurker:


The text they are composing in the painting:

The Cossacks' reply came as a stream of insulting and vulgar rhymes:

Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!

O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou shalt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Christian sons. We have no fear of your army; by land and by sea we will battle with thee. Fuck thy mother.

Thou Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow. Screw thine own mother!

So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord. The day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

— Koshovyi otaman Ivan Sirko, with the whole Zaporozhian Host


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Originally Posted By FrankyRay:

Okay, I'll be the one to ask... What is that painting of?


The text they are composing in the painting:

The Cossacks' reply came as a stream of insulting and vulgar rhymes:

Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!

O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou shalt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Christian sons. We have no fear of your army; by land and by sea we will battle with thee. Fuck thy mother.

Thou Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow. Screw thine own mother!

So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord. The day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

— Koshovyi otaman Ivan Sirko, with the whole Zaporozhian Host







Ivan Sirko - Encyclopedia of Ukraine

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HA, China enact revenge for Russia?  OH MY GOD THAT'S HILARIOUS!!!!

Oh man, if I had been drinking milk when I read that it would have come up through my nose.

Give me a break, China is about as self-centered and selfish as any regime has ever been on earth.  They will not lift a finger or even an eye brow unless they think it's in their interests to do so and even then they'll still try their level best to screw over as many people as possible, because that's just how China rolls.

If China is your only savior you're in deep shit Russia. Whatever they do to "save" you will end up screwing you over in the long run. Just ask every single country that has taken loans or assistance from China, that nation is 110% predatory.

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I will tell you this much...

from the amount of refugees in Hungary that are Ukrainian..

I am seeing a good majority are just women and children.

Hardly any men except old ones.

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From what it looks like on TV, 18-65 year old men are being told to stay and fight.
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In theater they only have 180K. 9-10 dead plus 2x that wounded. No major cities taken. Russia could see 30k dead 60k wounded before they take Kiev and Kharkiv.

That many dead in a few weeks, even if they are going to resupply, a "modern" military taking those losses in that sort amount of time is a complete disaster.
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I'm more worried about not getting it or getting myself arrested here!  You're on your own with the FBI!!!

Hungarians didn't care what I had but the Ukrainian custom official went through all my things, even electronics.  I should have just driven past that station after entering the country.  I did get large amounts of fuel and wine into the country for a fun party!
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Everyone is taping them on.  Kinda funny where I am.  Worse that there are large groups of guys standing around "guarding" places with no weapons or knowledge what to do.  The ultimate hall monitor but these folks aren't sleeping and have very high stress levels (me included) so they need to feel that they're doing something while actually doing nothing but wasting time and getting drunk.
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How is the food and medicine situation?
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

Lol

Take a look at everything Ukraine says they have destroyed, double it, then look at how much stuff Russia has total.

You're right, it's not fast to make, but Russia has a ton on reserve and it sounds like they're about to start a draft of every dude in the country.  

If they took a break and came up with a new battle plan that isn't leaked they might actually accomplish something. Along with Ukraine and NATO possibly being off guard.

Or whatever


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That's not quite true.  Most of what Russia has that is combat effective is already engaged in Ukraine.  They are almost reaching the end of their cruise missile stocks.  They won't be able to build more.  Their top tier units are deployed and taking losses...  Their aircraft are not able to provide CAP or CAS.  Their AD systems and EW systems are not having an impact.

Yes, Russian has 15,000 tanks and 50,000 APC's in storage, but it's old and ineffective.  Their top tier equipment seems to be suffering from severe maintenance and service issues, lack of supplies, parts, food, and fuel.  Plus it took them months to mobilize the current units.  

Five thousand t-64's with antique sights and rusted bearings is not going to be anything other than a coffin.  Their VDV don't even seem to be able to hold ground or operate as a cohesive force.  

Russia is screwed.
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No offense, but I think it is a waste of time to fly a foreigner to a country to deliver medical supplies when there are locals on the ground that are accepted and known.  Does EESMITH have a network in place?  Also there are other issues at play here.

Right now I think they are having issues with too many foreigners that are coming in, not knowing what they are doing, clogging up the very limited supply chain and logistics network (at least from what I'm hearing from a contact with the local guy running this operation in our area).  I live here and know many locals who are now reaching out to more locals in the hard hit areas so they know where to send the aid.  I just don't think this is going to be a quick trip but a long process.

I wish I wasn't out of contact these last few days before I had the opportunity to get a local network together to effect a sustainable relief effort.  Expats & visitors are two completely different groups and mindset.
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Ukraine DOES not want individual medical supplies sent in piece meal. They are requesting that people get shipping containers and there is a designated point in Poland they have to deliver said containers to in order for the supplies to be accepted by Ukraine.  

So, if you want to get medical supplies to the Ukraine you need to rent a shipping container and pack it to the Ukraine specs and have it delivered to the Polish designated point.
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They've defeated the S300 at will with F15s and F16s in Syria and Iran. I don't think Russia has deployed the S400 outside of its territories, probably because they know it would ultimately be captured for intel.
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Originally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD:

Didn't some Israeli F-35s fly over an area where s-400s were and not get pinged.


They've defeated the S300 at will with F15s and F16s in Syria and Iran. I don't think Russia has deployed the S400 outside of its territories, probably because they know it would ultimately be captured for intel.
Russia is operating a couple S400's in Syria.
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