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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:56:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Fabricated refugee crisis?
It seems to be SOP for Russia. As it was with the Soviet so it is with the Federation. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:56:52 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
I don't believe her |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:12:14 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:12:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
So if Russia cut them off right now would they be singing the same tune? I guess Germany is going to find out just how much Russia likes them. If they support sanctions Germans might find out just how cold it really gets. |
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UKR
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:23:44 PM EST
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"Russian Troop Build-Up Hits 190,000; Most Significant in Europe Since WWII"
https://www.kyivpost.com/world/russian-troop-build-up-hits-190000-most-significant-in-europe-since-wwii.html This is looking worse and worse as time goes on. Mabe that dumbfuck really wants a war. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:25:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Gotcha, and thanks that would be interesting to read. Second paragraph makes sense, and what I was assuming. I can't find exact numbers, but best I can find is maybe about 100 launchers they have (maybe safe to assume another 100 not reported?) and of course a higher number of missiles for the launchers. One to two hundred launchers doesn't seem like very much to cover the approx 1100 miles of potential "frontline" Russia could assault through. That's why I was wondering how they were deployed in the best strategic manner. Seems like some forward deploy in the most likely assault routes to make things a little difficult, with reserves held in cities where a potential assault would converge. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: I'm in bed as it's late where I'm at but I can throw up a couple paragraphs on basic defense doctrine tomorrow. Short answer is the javelins go where the troops are, so some on the front and some in reserve more than likely. Second paragraph makes sense, and what I was assuming. I can't find exact numbers, but best I can find is maybe about 100 launchers they have (maybe safe to assume another 100 not reported?) and of course a higher number of missiles for the launchers. One to two hundred launchers doesn't seem like very much to cover the approx 1100 miles of potential "frontline" Russia could assault through. That's why I was wondering how they were deployed in the best strategic manner. Seems like some forward deploy in the most likely assault routes to make things a little difficult, with reserves held in cities where a potential assault would converge. Javelin is only part of the equation. It may be the more capable, but Ukraine has thousands(?) of other ATGMs available, AT-4, AT-5, AT-7, AT-13, Skif, Barrier, and Corsar. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:28:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: That is huge. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
That is huge. Will that mean German citizens will be cold in the winter? |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:28:43 PM EST
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The sick fucks in the Russian controlled areas of Ukraine are using little kids as a propaganda tool now. Look at all the people videoing the school kids and orphans waiting to bussed off to "safety" in Russia... Absolutely despicable!
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1494705249269043206?s=20&t=TYW3qV5hUpIFiv9BSXNR4g |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:30:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foxxnhound: Will that mean German citizens will be cold in the winter? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foxxnhound: Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
That is huge. Will that mean German citizens will be cold in the winter? I do t think they will. Germany has a HUGE communist/socialist population that will demand the Gov not do it. The German gov will cave. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:36:14 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: I don't believe her Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
I don't believe her What... that they are willing to mothball a pipeline that... is doing absolutely nothing right now? |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:38:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: In addition to making US intelligence look silly, I think Putin knows that this constant whiplash makes people stressed and fatigued. And I think he's also pulling the boy who cried wolf. Think how much money you could make margin trading knowing what Russia was going to do next. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:45:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Think how much money you could make margin trading knowing what Russia was going to do next. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By stone-age: In addition to making US intelligence look silly, I think Putin knows that this constant whiplash makes people stressed and fatigued. And I think he's also pulling the boy who cried wolf. Think how much money you could make margin trading knowing what Russia was going to do next. 
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WI, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:46:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: The sick fucks in the Russian controlled areas of Ukraine are using little kids as a propaganda tool now. Look at all the people videoing the school kids and orphans waiting to bussed off to "safety" in Russia... Absolutely despicable! https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1494705249269043206?s=20&t=TYW3qV5hUpIFiv9BSXNR4g You do know that life is cheap, right? Only in the Western world are we taught differently. Shit just as bad and worse happens daily worldwide, whether it’s in quite a few different Asian countries, throughout Central and South America, the Middle East and Africa. Doesn’t make it right, but outrage over this type of propaganda sounds rather hollow. The world has a very dark side. This is hardly the worst thing going on. Hell, just look at northern Mexico, right on the border. People are murdered, beheaded, cannibalized, tortured and trafficked every day. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:46:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: The sick fucks in the Russian controlled areas of Ukraine are using little kids as a propaganda tool now. Look at all the people videoing the school kids and orphans waiting to bussed off to "safety" in Russia... Absolutely despicable! https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1494705249269043206?s=20&t=TYW3qV5hUpIFiv9BSXNR4g Let's be honest. Our side wouldn't hesitate to do the same. To get emotional about any of the propaganda is to fall for it. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:46:52 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:46:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: So if Russia cut them off right now would they be singing the same tune? I guess Germany is going to find out just how much Russia likes them. If they support sanctions Germans might find out just how cold it really gets. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
So if Russia cut them off right now would they be singing the same tune? I guess Germany is going to find out just how much Russia likes them. If they support sanctions Germans might find out just how cold it really gets. Putin's old boss Gorbachev set Russia up to be the lone supplier of gas to Europe through initiatives from his Green Cross environmental organization which fooled gullible European officials into cancelling their own gas/oil/coal exploration to "save the earth" so that when their own gas infrastructure was shut down they would only have Russian gas as an option. Gorbachev was and is a communist just like KGB Putin was and still is a communist regardless of his billionaire status (which was obtained by exploiting and stealing from the Russian people). NOTE: Green is the new Red. "Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. They are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep. We want to accomplish three things: One, we want the Americans to withdraw conventional forces from Europe. Two, we want them to withdraw nuclear forces from Europe. Three, we want the Americans to stop proceeding with Strategic Defense Initiative." - Mikhail Gorbachev’s speech to the Soviet Politburo in November 1987 Now, if one has fallen for all the "Gorby" propaganda in the late 1980s through the 1990s (Coke and Pepsi commercials with the waving of USSR and USA flags, "Gorbachev Destroyed Communism" headlines, Gorbachev commercials, TV and magazine interviews, etc. etc.), this may just seem too hard to believe. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:48:27 PM EST
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Good morning sirs, I will do the needful
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:49:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: What... that they are willing to mothball a pipeline that... is doing absolutely nothing right now? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By Fantomas: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
I don't believe her What... that they are willing to mothball a pipeline that... is doing absolutely nothing right now? it's operational but no Gas is flowing at this time however if it should kick off in the Ukraine and the pipeline is effected they would have to turn on the flow to that Pipeline (at least that's my guess) I am not sure who else supplies Gas to Germany my concern about the loss of Gas or even further pike in prices is that my Mother lives in Berlin |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:49:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JG_Wentworth: Good morning sirs, I will do the needful https://i.imgur.com/CHmNvdT.jpg lol Saw that, his "rifle" looks weird. The front sight looks like a whole piece of plastic. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:52:35 PM EST
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Pro russians claim Gorlovka under massive artillery from Ukrainian armed forces.
Gorlovka under massive artillery fire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Local people are in touch. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:53:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JG_Wentworth: Good morning sirs, I will do the needful https://i.imgur.com/CHmNvdT.jpg Since Russia has brought in Chechens it's only fair that Ukraine bring in a bunch or Ghurkas. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:55:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: lol Saw that, his "rifle" looks weird. The front sight looks like a whole piece of plastic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By JG_Wentworth: Good morning sirs, I will do the needful https://i.imgur.com/CHmNvdT.jpg lol Saw that, his "rifle" looks weird. The front sight looks like a whole piece of plastic. Mag pouches look kind of empty too. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 3:55:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: lol Saw that, his "rifle" looks weird. The front sight looks like a whole piece of plastic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By JG_Wentworth: Good morning sirs, I will do the needful https://i.imgur.com/CHmNvdT.jpg lol Saw that, his "rifle" looks weird. The front sight looks like a whole piece of plastic. Is it safe to say that whichever side has the least amount of canted sights is going to win? |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:02:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBill375: "Russian Troop Build-Up Hits 190,000; Most Significant in Europe Since WWII" https://www.kyivpost.com/world/russian-troop-build-up-hits-190000-most-significant-in-europe-since-wwii.html This is looking worse and worse as time goes on. Mabe that dumbfuck really wants a war. It's really looking like you guys are in for at least an occupation of the separatist areas. There is enough power for an all out fight as well. Be careful. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:11:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: McSIM]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rem700PSS:... but can someone give me the 2-3 sentence explanation as to why Russia wants to invade Ukraine? Russian model of society for the lack of better word can be called 'kleptocracy' - top of pyramid is narrow layer of population managing most part of natural resources as their own private property and selling it (oil, gas, metals, wood - you name it) overseas , putting profits into their own pockets. Lower, little bit thicker layer of 'guards' - police, judjes etc - protecting upper layer from own population that gets angrier every year. Lowest , thickest layer of those who did not managed to get into upper layers, left out with no medical care , education that getting worse and worse, with no security/protection from police/justice/courts - basically left to survive by their own. Very rough description , I know, but you get an idea I guess. Now, invasion into Ukraine can serve multiple goals for Putin : - Short term : to calm down his own Russian population, showing that Ukrainians are living in same poverty, corruption as in other post-Soviet countries, and not because russian political/business elites robbing their own country - Mid term a) resources. Agricultural, industrial, human. Either capture for their own good, or make it unusable for potential enemies (China?) b) trade. France and Germany need desperately new markets to sell their products, in same time they need russian gas, oil and metals. same time Russia need market to sell their oil/gas/metals to buy more industrial products (drilling/pumps for oil/gas mining industry, equipment for military production). Roughly speaking Germany wants Russia to trade their BMW/Mercedes for russion oil and gas. - Long term : who the fuck am I to know what russian elites who put Putin on the throne, wants in long perspective ? resurrect USSR ? Defeat NATO ? |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:14:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: It's really looking like you guys are in for at least an occupation of the separatist areas. There is enough power for an all out fight as well. Be careful. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By WildBill375: "Russian Troop Build-Up Hits 190,000; Most Significant in Europe Since WWII" https://www.kyivpost.com/world/russian-troop-build-up-hits-190000-most-significant-in-europe-since-wwii.html This is looking worse and worse as time goes on. Mabe that dumbfuck really wants a war. It's really looking like you guys are in for at least an occupation of the separatist areas. There is enough power for an all out fight as well. Be careful. It's already been occupied by Russia since 2014, there are no real "separatists." That's part of the problem. I think at this point Zelensky should activate the reserves. There has been no tone down from Moscow, only more aggressive actions. Fucking stupid world we live in. Covid bullshit for 2 years and now this. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:14:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Is it safe to say that whichever side has the least amount of canted sights is going to win? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By JG_Wentworth: Good morning sirs, I will do the needful https://i.imgur.com/CHmNvdT.jpg lol Saw that, his "rifle" looks weird. The front sight looks like a whole piece of plastic. Is it safe to say that whichever side has the least amount of canted sights is going to win? That, and whoever actually aims there weapon will win.
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:16:08 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:16:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: It's really looking like you guys are in for at least an occupation of the separatist areas. There is enough power for an all out fight as well. Be careful. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By WildBill375: "Russian Troop Build-Up Hits 190,000; Most Significant in Europe Since WWII" https://www.kyivpost.com/world/russian-troop-build-up-hits-190000-most-significant-in-europe-since-wwii.html This is looking worse and worse as time goes on. Mabe that dumbfuck really wants a war. It's really looking like you guys are in for at least an occupation of the separatist areas. There is enough power for an all out fight as well. Be careful. The Separatist areas have been occupied for years. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:16:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver: Mag pouches look kind of empty too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver: Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone: Originally Posted By JG_Wentworth: Good morning sirs, I will do the needful https://i.imgur.com/CHmNvdT.jpg lol Saw that, his "rifle" looks weird. The front sight looks like a whole piece of plastic. Mag pouches look kind of empty too. It's one of the wooden training cutouts we've seen in the militia training videos. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:19:24 PM EST
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Chances nukes fly?
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:19:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
At the sacrifice of OPSEC/COMSEC/WHATEVERSEC, it would behoove Ukrainians to put live feeds of these areas to counter the claims of "massive Ukrainian artillery fire" and other non-sense. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:20:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vengeance6661: Chances nukes fly? Very low. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:20:38 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:20:42 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:21:17 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:22:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: The Separatist areas have been occupied for years. Agreed, but not officially by Russian military. Or am I wrong? With the onslaught of accusations and evacuations going on, it seems like that is the minimum that is going to happen next week. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:23:14 PM EST
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Sanctions will be more symbolic than usual.
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:27:45 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:27:56 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:28:38 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:29:06 PM EST
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Seeing reports the "Ukrainians" just blew up a pipeline in Luhansk. They just keep attacking those peaceful Russians don't they.
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:29:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
So what your saying is those in .gov and DOD were wrong at saying the A-10 mission is donesky |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:31:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Monday you say? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Originally Posted By Chokey:
Monday you say? I saw that too! |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:31:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: So what your saying is those in .gov and DOD were wrong at saying the A-10 mission is donesky Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
So what your saying is those in .gov and DOD were wrong at saying the A-10 mission is donesky I would not want to fly an A-10 into an attacking Russian armor column alone. Air defenses would not be enjoyable. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:32:55 PM EST
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USA
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:34:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Seeing reports the "Ukrainians" just blew up a pipeline in Luhansk. They just keep attacking those peaceful Russians don't they. Believe that’s the “friendship (Druzhba) pipeline. Shit guys. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:34:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: Pallas]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rem700PSS: I'm 100% sure this has been answered so my apologies but can someone give me the 2-3 sentence explanation as to why Russia wants to invade Ukraine? Russia doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO and even if that isn't a real possibility, they feel that the Western influence is still encroaching on Russia's border. Russia considers UKR part of Russia and they want access to the ports, this has already been mentioned. Russia has been coming up with alternative fuel pipelines to deny UKR the transit fees. I've seen some reports that Russia hasn't deployed enough ass to invade and take over UKR, not sure I believe that one. I have also heard reports that Putin won't invade because it would be unpopular in Russia and with give the opposing party fuel against him, I somewhat believe the former, don't really believe the latter. UKR has issues, I'm not really sure who to pull for on this one. Also, we have a very weak President and Russia may see this as a good opportunity because their may be no meaningful response (not sure I agree with that FWIW), it will make POTUS/US look like they won't back people up, America is pretty divided right now and it would make Biden look even more incompetent. Russia invades and barring the West goes to war, the West looks kind of weak. Russia doesn't invade and the West looks stupid for yelling the sky is falling. I'm not sure sure Russia is going to invade, anymore. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 4:37:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: “The Poland” That’s good. The Latvia and The Estonia, are near The Ukraine. |
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