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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:17:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBill375: They are stupid expensive, large, and a pain in the ass to tote around. Most US units don't want to carry them around. I went to Javelin training in 06. Consisted of a computer simulations and we had a live fire demonstration where 1 student was allowed to fire one at the tank range. They are designed so you can airburst on open vehicles or explode after penetration. Solid choice for any enemy armored vehicles. Ukraine has tanks as well. Many Russian tanks were destroyed in 2014 as well as Ukrainian t64's. Any half decent light infantry unit is going to carry their javelins. It's a capability unmatched by anything else that is man portable. My concern if I were leading a formation is how many javs I have on hand and the enemy composition. I'm knocking tanks out of the fight before BMPs, and I'm using the most reliable weapon to do it. One of the biggest reasons the Javelin is a game changer is it can defeat some of the counter measures that other anti-tank options will not. Those T-90As we've been seeing are not safe from javelins. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:22:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: How many times did he have him on? One that I'm aware. Maybe there was more than one. Who actually cares ? How many other guests did he have on when discussing Ukraine? Lot's of them and many dozens of times talking about Ukraine. The spamming of that one dude's pics as if he is the only guy and he somehow is actually proof the Tucker is a Russian dupe is retarded. Almost as retarded as dozens of posts about who is more authentic Ukrainian and the subsequent dicks measuring fests. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Found a Tucker Carlson clip (Jan. 19, 2022) with a Clint Ehrlich appearance - starts at 1:45. Not hearing anything that smacks of Russian disinformation. Sounds like a fairly rational commentary, actually. I think I'll just file this away in my mind for future contemplation and consideration.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLrCy0Vlcy4How many times did he have him on? One that I'm aware. Maybe there was more than one. Who actually cares ? How many other guests did he have on when discussing Ukraine? Lot's of them and many dozens of times talking about Ukraine. The spamming of that one dude's pics as if he is the only guy and he somehow is actually proof the Tucker is a Russian dupe is retarded. Almost as retarded as dozens of posts about who is more authentic Ukrainian and the subsequent dicks measuring fests. What’s your point? Are you suggesting Tucker isn’t siding with Russia on the topic of Ukraine? “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia, which I am?” - Tucker Carlson |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:26:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: Finslayer83]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: What’s your point? Are you suggesting Tucker isn’t siding with Russia on the topic of Ukraine? “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia, which I am?” - Tucker Carlson Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Found a Tucker Carlson clip (Jan. 19, 2022) with a Clint Ehrlich appearance - starts at 1:45. Not hearing anything that smacks of Russian disinformation. Sounds like a fairly rational commentary, actually. I think I'll just file this away in my mind for future contemplation and consideration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLrCy0Vlcy4How many times did he have him on? One that I'm aware. Maybe there was more than one. Who actually cares ? How many other guests did he have on when discussing Ukraine? Lot's of them and many dozens of times talking about Ukraine. The spamming of that one dude's pics as if he is the only guy and he somehow is actually proof the Tucker is a Russian dupe is retarded. Almost as retarded as dozens of posts about who is more authentic Ukrainian and the subsequent dicks measuring fests. What’s your point? Are you suggesting Tucker isn’t siding with Russia on the topic of Ukraine? “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia, which I am?” - Tucker Carlson yall create a thread to bitch about Tucker.
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:28:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: Ukrainian artillery I'm not an expert, but that didn't seem anywhere near as violent as an artillery shell impact should be. Lots more flame and black smoke, like someone ignited a couple gallons of gasoline and is trying to pass it off as THE UKRAINE THE CONDUCTING THE GENOCIDE!!!!1 |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:30:36 PM EST
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The German foreign minister responded today to Klitschko's thanks for nothing comments about Germany only sending helmets.
Berlin agreed to send 5,000 military helmets to Kyiv, but Ukrainian ambassador to Berlin, Andriy Melnyk, said the support was merely a "symbolic gesture" as Ukraine needs equipment for hundreds of thousands of soldiers "The behavior of the German government leaves me speechless," the Kyiv mayor told a local news outlet in January according to a Reuters report. "The defense ministry apparently hasn't realized that we are confronted with perfectly equipped Russian forces that can start another invasion of Ukraine at any time." "What kind of support will Germany send next?" Klitschko questioned. "Pillows?" The German foreign minister responded to the mayor's condemnation Friday and said, "I'm sorry it was only 5,000."  |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:32:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: Finslayer83]
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:33:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: What’s your point? Are you suggesting Tucker isn’t siding with Russia on the topic of Ukraine? “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia, which I am?” - Tucker Carlson I am a huge Tucker fan and watch him every night. But I disagree with his opinion on Ukraine/Russia. Russia is clearly the bad-guy aggressor in that mess. We should send lethal aid to Ukraine but no soldiers. And I dont give a fuck if Ukraine locked up some politicians from their opposition party, as Tucker complains about. WE, in the USA need to lock up 90% of the demo-commie party too! I do agree that we should be more concerned with OUR borders that Ukraine's borders. And we should stop antagonizing Russia and pushing them over into China's camp. Ukraine should NOT be invited or allowed into NATO (Turkey should be kicked out). |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:34:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: Any half decent light infantry unit is going to carry their javelins. It's a capability unmatched by anything else that is man portable. My concern if I were leading a formation is how many javs I have on hand and the enemy composition. I'm knocking tanks out of the fight before BMPs, and I'm using the most reliable weapon to do it. One of the biggest reasons the Javelin is a game changer is it can defeat some of the counter measures that other anti-tank options will not. Those T-90As we've been seeing are not safe from javelins. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:35:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: Finslayer83]
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nvm
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:35:15 PM EST
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A busload of elderly Donbass residents seems like a false-flag target waiting to happen.
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:35:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I am a huge Tucker fan and watch him every night. But I disagree with his opinion on Ukraine/Russia. Russia is clearly the bad-guy aggressor in that mess. We should send lethal aid to Ukraine but no soldiers. And I dont give a fuck if Ukraine locked up some politicians from their opposition party, as Tucker complains about. WE, in the USA need to lock up 90% of the demo-commie party too! I do agree that we should be more concerned with OUR borders that Ukraine's borders. And we should stop antagonizing Russia and pushing them over into China's camp. Ukraine should NOT be invited or allowed into NATO (Turkey should be kicked out). If your son ever needs help getting into a school Tucker Carlson know a guy that can help. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:36:59 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:37:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thezentree: I'm not an expert, but that didn't seem anywhere near as violent as an artillery shell impact should be. Lots more flame and black smoke, like someone ignited a couple gallons of gasoline and is trying to pass it off as THE UKRAINE THE CONDUCTING THE GENOCIDE!!!!1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thezentree: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Ukrainian artillery I'm not an expert, but that didn't seem anywhere near as violent as an artillery shell impact should be. Lots more flame and black smoke, like someone ignited a couple gallons of gasoline and is trying to pass it off as THE UKRAINE THE CONDUCTING THE GENOCIDE!!!!1 FWIW, that strike had footage of the crater and fragments of a mortar shell posted not too long afterwards. I would consider it a legitimate strike due to location, alerts of mortar shelling at that time etc... I think wargonzo just put his water mark on it after he received the footage. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:40:36 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:40:59 PM EST
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OSCE SMM in Ukraine is an hour late with their daily report and have issued no other communications about their status. This is not good news. Many European nations have staff in the separatist areas, IIRC only US and the Netherlands already withdrew their observers.
If OSCE withdraws from the separatist areas, chances of getting any reliable impartial information out of there reduces considerably. These people could also be at personal risk considering the daily harrasment directed at them by the so called people's militias of Novorossiya during more normal times. I fear they are not out of bounds to end up involved in the false flag operations. Nothing would please Russia more than to get some OSCE observers killed that they could blame on Ukrainian shelling and then use an excuse to launch their long range rocket artillery or ballistic missiles against Ukrainian artillery positions. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:42:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I know nothing about military doctrine, but would the javs be forward deployed on the front lines to meet the first assault, or held back in the rear (I'm talking 10's of miles, not a hundred miles) ready to be deployed to high concentrations of assaulting tanks? I'm in bed as it's late where I'm at but I can throw up a couple paragraphs on basic defense doctrine tomorrow. Short answer is the javelins go where the troops are, so some on the front and some in reserve more than likely. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:45:22 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:48:21 PM EST
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I'm 100% sure this has been answered so my apologies but can someone give me the 2-3 sentence explanation as to why Russia wants to invade Ukraine?
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:50:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rem700PSS: I'm 100% sure this has been answered so my apologies but can someone give me the 2-3 sentence explanation as to why Russia wants to invade Ukraine? A Western Ukraine is an existential threat to Russia. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:51:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: Enlighten me on how Tucker Carlson is supposedly some Russian mouthpiece?  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Well, be sure to catch the latest "news" on this from a Kremlin/RT News/Tass/Sputnik perspective on any of the following "pay-triotic" sources: Tucker Carlson, Zero Hedge, BeforeItsNews.com, GlobalResearch.ca, Hal Turner, Paul Joseph Watson, Power Hour radio show, WhatReallyHappened.com TruNews.com, InfoWars, etc. Enlighten me on how Tucker Carlson is supposedly some Russian mouthpiece? Can we have another thread where endless purse swinging can take place? Most of us come to this thread to get updates on the ongoings. As of late this thread has come to life with quality posts. Please don’t ask questions that derail the intent of the thread topic. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:52:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rem700PSS: I'm 100% sure this has been answered so my apologies but can someone give me the 2-3 sentence explanation as to why Russia wants to invade Ukraine? Russia sees Ukraine as being part of Russia, and it was for about 200+ years. Ukraine is very important for Russia strategically, the black sea is one of if not the only reliable warm water port the Russian navy has access to. Russia exists on a plain called the Northern European Plain, the further east from around the netherlands you go the wider that plain gets, by expanding westward Russia narrows the front they'd have to defend. This is a good video that sums up their general strategy/aims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwzliJF0-SI |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:52:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rem700PSS: I'm 100% sure this has been answered so my apologies but can someone give me the 2-3 sentence explanation as to why Russia wants to invade Ukraine? It's very simple. Putin wants Ukraine. He is NOT afraid that NATO will attack him - that's all BS. Look back at a couple of pages and read one of my posts from this morning about where Ukraine stands in the world in natural and industrial resources. But it's also a Russians hate Ukrainian issue which is many hundreds of years old. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:55:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: What’s your point? Are you suggesting Tucker isn’t siding with Russia on the topic of Ukraine? “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia, which I am?” - Tucker Carlson My point is that reposting that one Russian shill dudes pics up over an over again as if it proves the thing he said it proves is just as much a waste of everyone's time as the who is more Ukrainian dick measuring suck fest that took up many pages. They are both disassociate reasoning distractions from an otherwise adult level and important thread. By all means take some off the cuff quote from 3 years ago and draw whatever conclusions you want. I don't draw the same conclusion based on what I have heard over time and don't actually care either. What I do care about is this thread being on point and not having to read the same irrelevant crap or see the same pictures not proving the point being made posted over and over again. It just sucks. Let's not suck and stay on point. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:57:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: yall create a thread to bitch about Tucker.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Found a Tucker Carlson clip (Jan. 19, 2022) with a Clint Ehrlich appearance - starts at 1:45. Not hearing anything that smacks of Russian disinformation. Sounds like a fairly rational commentary, actually. I think I'll just file this away in my mind for future contemplation and consideration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLrCy0Vlcy4How many times did he have him on? One that I'm aware. Maybe there was more than one. Who actually cares ? How many other guests did he have on when discussing Ukraine? Lot's of them and many dozens of times talking about Ukraine. The spamming of that one dude's pics as if he is the only guy and he somehow is actually proof the Tucker is a Russian dupe is retarded. Almost as retarded as dozens of posts about who is more authentic Ukrainian and the subsequent dicks measuring fests. What’s your point? Are you suggesting Tucker isn’t siding with Russia on the topic of Ukraine? “Why do I care what is going on in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia, which I am?” - Tucker Carlson yall create a thread to bitch about Tucker.
For those of you who are contributing rich content to this thread…thank you. Your bringing this thread back to life |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:57:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I am a huge Tucker fan and watch him every night. But I disagree with his opinion on Ukraine/Russia. Russia is clearly the bad-guy aggressor in that mess. We should send lethal aid to Ukraine but no soldiers. And I dont give a fuck if Ukraine locked up some politicians from their opposition party, as Tucker complains about. WE, in the USA need to lock up 90% of the demo-commie party too! I do agree that we should be more concerned with OUR borders that Ukraine's borders. And we should stop antagonizing Russia and pushing them over into China's camp. Ukraine should NOT be invited or allowed into NATO (Turkey should be kicked out). So you're saying you would out commie the commies? |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:58:46 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:59:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sonoran_Tj: I'm in bed as it's late where I'm at but I can throw up a couple paragraphs on basic defense doctrine tomorrow. Short answer is the javelins go where the troops are, so some on the front and some in reserve more than likely. Second paragraph makes sense, and what I was assuming. I can't find exact numbers, but best I can find is maybe about 100 launchers they have (maybe safe to assume another 100 not reported?) and of course a higher number of missiles for the launchers. One to two hundred launchers doesn't seem like very much to cover the approx 1100 miles of potential "frontline" Russia could assault through. That's why I was wondering how they were deployed in the best strategic manner. Seems like some forward deploy in the most likely assault routes to make things a little difficult, with reserves held in cities where a potential assault would converge. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 1:59:54 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:01:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL5n5w3XsAYBo_a?format=png&name=900x900 LOL Oops! 
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:03:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PissedMick:
Sounds like a perfect setup for sure. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:05:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Monday you say?
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:06:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stanprophet09: Sounds like a perfect setup for sure. Absolutely devious too, but not surprising for Russia. It should wake people up to how brutal this is going to be. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:06:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: I think 2.5km was the official requirement for Javelin as a man portable atgm, but when they started considering it for use as a vehicle launched atgm, they tested it out past 4km.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:07:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBill375: Smoking a bmp packed with enemy troops is a good kill. This |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:16:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: yall create a thread to bitch about Tucker. Bit of an overgeneralization, isn't it? The thread is about the Ukraine conflict. Tucker is a major media figure cover the Ukraine conflict. That makes him fair game for "discussion." |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:16:59 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:18:49 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:20:47 PM EST
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 Why Top Attack is not as good as you think! For some reason, this popped up in my YT feed. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:30:05 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:33:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
That is huge. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:37:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: That is huge. The Russians have told everyone they “don’t give a shit” -direct quote- about sanctions. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:38:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
Bless their hearts. Maybe Germany isn't completely useless after all. Or maybe the rest of the alliance has jumped their shit about their wishy-washy behavior and forced them to jump off the fence? Whatever the case, this announcement is a pretty big deal, for multiple reasons. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:39:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: I've heard that they are pushing it out past 4km. Here's a good video that talks about the weapon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6COKC5ZU6gM$175k per missile alone in 2021. Insanity. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:39:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: Finslayer83]
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Russia-Ukraine Warning Update: New Indicators of Imminent Russian Attack |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:41:12 PM EST
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Translation.... The so-called "Prosecutor General of the People's Republic of Luhansk" Sergei Gorenko has now posted a video on Instagram of him snorting somewhere from a D-30 gun (banned by the "Minsk" caliber), there is a pile of shell casings… Geo there "Stanitsa Luhanska", signature "evacuate people, stand on the border 🇷🇺🇷🇺 " |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:41:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: The Russians have told everyone they “don’t give a shit” -direct quote- about sanctions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: That is huge. The Russians have told everyone they “don’t give a shit” -direct quote- about sanctions. Yep....it's all a conspiracy to keep the Russians down.. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:43:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: That is huge. Just words, have to wait and see if they actually follow through with it. |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:50:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: The German foreign minister responded today to Klitschko's thanks for nothing comments about Germany only sending helmets. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: The German foreign minister responded today to Klitschko's thanks for nothing comments about Germany only sending helmets. Berlin agreed to send 5,000 military helmets to Kyiv, but Ukrainian ambassador to Berlin, Andriy Melnyk, said the support was merely a "symbolic gesture" as Ukraine needs equipment for hundreds of thousands of soldiers "The behavior of the German government leaves me speechless," the Kyiv mayor told a local news outlet in January according to a Reuters report. "The defense ministry apparently hasn't realized that we are confronted with perfectly equipped Russian forces that can start another invasion of Ukraine at any time." "What kind of support will Germany send next?" Klitschko questioned. "Pillows?" The German foreign minister responded to the mayor's condemnation Friday and said, "I'm sorry it was only 5,000." Baerbock is a Commie and she would not do anything to piss of Putin so that is not a surprise they are not helping in any way |
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:51:09 PM EST
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Fabricated refugee crisis?
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Posted: 2/18/2022 2:55:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: That is huge. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
That is huge. Guess they figure winter is over. |
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