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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:39:48 PM EST

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Originally Posted By lycurgus:

And so then Putin's threat still stands. And when he or someone else in Russia decides to take another chunk of Europe, the precedent has already been established that the West will bow to nuclear threats and that it is acceptable to even make such threats. How about it, will the West bow to nuclear threat from China?

Sorry, your path is the path of lunacy in the long term...

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Yes. Let's start a nuclear war now so that in the future Putin doesn't potentially start a nuclear war.

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:40:16 PM EST

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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99:
It was my mistake too.

I knew the people would fight. I didnt think Zelensky would flee on day 1, but I didnt think he would be the leader he is either.

I'm sure he has made some shady deals as all politicians have, but if he was corrupt as the rest of GD says, he would have been out on day 1. People that corrupt have no morals or principles, and are only focused on self preservation.

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Their biggest mistake was thinking Zelensky was just a comic.

It was my mistake too.

I knew the people would fight. I didnt think Zelensky would flee on day 1, but I didnt think he would be the leader he is either.

I'm sure he has made some shady deals as all politicians have, but if he was corrupt as the rest of GD says, he would have been out on day 1. People that corrupt have no morals or principles, and are only focused on self preservation.

How many US leaders would have fled the first day? The first week? Or after the first kill team went after them?
That guy has some serious resolve and courage.

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:40:25 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Obo2:

we get all kinds of commie propaganda to help bring about the rise of groups like BLM and antifa. It's not coming primarily from russia anymore. Some remnant remains of what they planted in some hippies but we get more propping up of the republicans are racists white supremacist bigots from the CCP than russia. Our own politicians play off of and feed in to it as well.

Those same folks like to push the narratives of democrats eating babies as well

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Yes, BLM was backed by Russian money and facebook groups.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/30/blacktivist-facebook-account-russia-us-election

They also ran the largest Christian and Anti-vax groups. https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/

I feel like all of the bullshit in America is just Russian psychological warfare. It was written in a book about how Russia can take over the world. Every bit of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:41:22 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Obo2:

we get all kinds of commie propaganda to help bring about the rise of groups like BLM and antifa. It's not coming primarily from russia anymore. Some remnant remains of what they planted in some hippies but we get more propping up of the republicans are racists white supremacist bigots from the CCP than russia. Our own politicians play off of and feed in to it as well.

Those same folks like to push the narratives of democrats eating babies as well

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Yes, BLM was backed by Russian money and facebook groups.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/30/blacktivist-facebook-account-russia-us-election

They also ran the largest Christian and Anti-vax groups. https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/

I feel like all of the bullshit in America is just Russian psychological warfare. It was written in a book about how Russia can take over the world. Every bit of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:41:23 PM EST

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Then there should be no reason not to open the books and show what research was going on there and what materials were held. It's not just the Russians that want to know what's going on there, it's Americans. It's time for some transparency.

It also should be of no strategic importance to Russia, or on the State Department's radar if nothing was going on. They just need to show how benign it was and we can move on. Win/win.

The last 3 years have proven that there's more to worry about from US funded bioresearch facilities than "bioweapons," right?

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\uD83E\uDDF5Two weeks ago, as Vladimir Putin was declaring his vicious war on Ukraine, he called the West an "Empire of Lies." In fact, the Kremlin's disastrous move was itself rooted in lies, misconceptions and giant lapses of expertise & intelligence. 1/ pic.twitter.com/5vi5J0Begq
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Fantastic read. Definitely worth the time . Thank you!

Did anyone else see this tweet???

This was never about Nato or the EU. Russia had a scheduled post 48 hours after the start stating that it had annexed Ukraine and fixing the tragedy of the 1991 breakup. They forgot to cancel the post and it was saved. Putin wants Ukraine, Moldova, Baltic https://t.co/7d6Xwt9MFf
Monkey Bowl (@BowlMonkey) March 10, 2022

I have no idea if this is real but here’s the link and below it in the spoiler is the (kinda long) translation

https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

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The offensive of Russia and the new world

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A new world is born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine opened a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, intra-Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but it is worth talking about separately a little later.

Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a high price, yes, through the tragic events of the virtual civil war, because now brothers separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies are still shooting at each other - but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness by gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in all its totality of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had refused this, allowed the temporary division to gain a foothold for centuries, we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants - for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.

Vladimir Putin assumed - without a drop of exaggeration - historical responsibility, deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian issue to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost to put pressure on us in the West, is only the second most important among them.

Now there is no problem - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be eliminated, but it will be rebuilt, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what borders, in what form will the alliance with Russia be fixed (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be solved after the end of the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia is put. In any case, the period of split of the Russian people is coming to an end.

And this is where the second dimension of the coming new era begins - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees Russia's return to its historical borders in Europe. And he is loudly indignant at this, although deep down he must confess to himself that it could not have been otherwise.

Did anyone in the old European capitals, Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would abandon Kiev? In the fact that the Russians will always be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe unites, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control over European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and gather a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which took place according to the Russian good (albeit not very clever) will. After that, swinging at Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe alone, did not have the strength to keep in its sphere of influence, much less take Ukraine. In order not to understand this, you had to be just geopolitical fools.

More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it didn't work should have become clear twenty years ago. And fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even the deaf could hear - Russia is coming back.

Now the West is trying to punish Russia for returning, for not justified its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing it to expand the western space to the east. In an effort to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are vital for us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who govern the West. No Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. Losses from the sublimation of confrontation will be on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, increasing the degree of confrontation brings huge costs - and the main ones are not economic at all.

Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy - the German European integration project does not make strategic sense while maintaining Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. And it can't be successful because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But obtaining autonomy is also necessary for Europe for another reason - in case the States moves to self-isolation (as a result of increasing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focuses on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.

But the confrontation with Russia, in which the Anglo-Saxons draw Europe, deprives Europeans of even chances of independence - not to mention the fact that Europe is trying to impose a break with China in the same way. If now the Atlantists rejoice that the "Russian threat" will rally the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot help but understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new Iron Curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a pen for Europe. Whose century (or rather half a millennium) of global leadership is over anyway - but various options for its future are still possible.

Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are increasingly emerging through the spreading cover of globalization in Anglo-Saxon. The multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not able to rally against Russia except the West. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, it is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlantists, it is Russia's return to its historical space and its place in the world.

China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West is leading the world order, much less establishing the rules of the game. Russia has not just challenged the West - it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally completed. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers by forces, of course, together with the West (one or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.

Conspiracy theorists need to read this.

Why? What conspiracy theory does it go against?

The ones that talk about various Russian "justifications" for the invasion- Nazis, labs, NATO, whatever. It simply boils down to Russia wanting the USSR to be a thing again. Thought it was pretty clear.

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Yeah, that always seemed like bullshit. The boogeyman Azov battalion thing always made me chuckle. Those "Nazis" that served under a Jewish president. That's a hard one to understand.

I still want to know what was going on at the labs, though. It wasn't used as justification by Putin for the invasion publicly. He would have to show proof that he knew about nefarious stuff going on there ahead of time to pass off that lie.

I'm curious as to why the State Department is concerned about Russians getting the research at supposedly benign facilities.

I just don't want it to be justification in the end.

There's bio research labs all over the world. I think it's also obvious that we have bio weapons research going on as well, somewhere. Were any of these bio-weapons labs? There's exactly zero evidence of it, and even if there was it's frankly irrelevant. Hypothetically lets say there were weapons labs and Russia knew about them. An invasion still isn't the right answer when there would have been many other options on the table at that point.
All hypothetical, since there isn't any evidence of it....further, if this was the case they could have struck those labs and left- not made demands about disarmament (which Ukraine should not and will not agree to), Crimea, and L&D. Actions speak louder than words.

Even benign research I'm sure we don't want to Russians to have.

Then there should be no reason not to open the books and show what research was going on there and what materials were held. It's not just the Russians that want to know what's going on there, it's Americans. It's time for some transparency.

It also should be of no strategic importance to Russia, or on the State Department's radar if nothing was going on. They just need to show how benign it was and we can move on. Win/win.

The last 3 years have proven that there's more to worry about from US funded bioresearch facilities than "bioweapons," right?

People have already posted the kinds of stuff that goes on there, it's a few pages back. What else do you want?

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:41:44 PM EST

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HUGE BREAKING NEWS:#Anonymous has breached and leaked the database of Roskomnadzor, the Russian federal executive agency responsible for monitoring, controlling and censoring #Russian mass media, releasing to the public over 360K files. #OpRussia https://t.co/kCtXJ8GtoP pic.twitter.com/WyJx5l5vKS
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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:42:01 PM EST

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Explain? What is a tor?

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Originally Posted By GlockZen:
Igor got a Tor.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNgb05IXoAY5xng?format=png&name=medium

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Explain? What is a tor?

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:42:14 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Primus-Pilus:

Yes, BLM was backed by Russian money and facebook groups.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/30/blacktivist-facebook-account-russia-us-election

They also ran the largest Christian and Anti-vax groups. https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/

I feel like all of the bullshit in America is just Russian psychological warfare. It was written in a book about how Russia can take over the world. Every bit of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

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Originally Posted By Obo2:

we get all kinds of commie propaganda to help bring about the rise of groups like BLM and antifa. It's not coming primarily from russia anymore. Some remnant remains of what they planted in some hippies but we get more propping up of the republicans are racists white supremacist bigots from the CCP than russia. Our own politicians play off of and feed in to it as well.

Those same folks like to push the narratives of democrats eating babies as well

Yes, BLM was backed by Russian money and facebook groups.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/30/blacktivist-facebook-account-russia-us-election

They also ran the largest Christian and Anti-vax groups. https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/

I feel like all of the bullshit in America is just Russian psychological warfare. It was written in a book about how Russia can take over the world. Every bit of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

Time to repay the favor to pootin and pooh.

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:42:19 PM EST

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Originally Posted By happycynic:
So we don't repeat fucking World War I with nuclear weapons. This war is Russia v. Ukraine. It must stay Russia v. Ukraine.

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Originally Posted By lycurgus:

Putin essentially threatened to use nuclear weapons if the West interfered with his invasion. Frankly, I don't know how the West can justify letting nuclear blackmail stand unanswered. If you are worried about short term implications of Western action in Ukraine, then you don't have any clue of the enormous ramifications of essentially sanctioning nuclear threats within the world body politic.

Even if Putin is defeated conventionally (how ever that is defined) in Ukraine by solely Ukrainian forces and has to withdraw forces back to Russia, his nuclear threat still stands and the whole world will now understand that there is a new paradigm in the relationships between nuclear powers and all other nations (nuclear and non-nuclear).

So we don't repeat fucking World War I with nuclear weapons. This war is Russia v. Ukraine. It must stay Russia v. Ukraine.

Did you miss where it accidentally leaked Putin had no intention of it ever being just Russia v. Ukraine?

https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

This was never about Nato or the EU. Russia had a scheduled post 48 hours after the start stating that it had annexed Ukraine and fixing the tragedy of the 1991 breakup. They forgot to cancel the post and it was saved. Putin wants Ukraine, Moldova, Baltic https://t.co/7d6Xwt9MFf
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He had every intention of including Moldova and the Baltic states in this excursion. Just like he told the world in his big rant.

He just didn't count on it going as pear shaped as it did because of the now apparent ineptitude of his military and the fight in the Ukrainian people. NATO countries would have been involved in this. What that would have meant, who knows...

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:42:32 PM EST

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Explain? What is a tor?

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Originally Posted By GlockZen:
Igor got a Tor.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNgb05IXoAY5xng?format=png&name=medium

Legend. pic.twitter.com/sBdFxy17o9
Oryx (@oryxspioenkop) March 10, 2022

Explain? What is a tor?

SA-15 Gauntlet, to use proper NATO terms

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:43:54 PM EST

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Zelensky's former press secretary tweets and then deletes message saying it would be a 'tragedy' if Kamala Harris becomes President after VP LAUGHS during Ukraine press conference

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Aw ease up. She just got a case of the giggles and her boss thinks its cute.

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The world's economy is globally linked, as well as the world's food supply.

The ripple effect of the Russian sanctions, energy market and food shortages will cause pain everywhere.

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The Chinese are starting to change their rhetoric. Use the word "war" to describe the Ukrainian invasion by Russia for the first time.

Chinese foreign minister says he hopes Ukraine war will stop as soon as possible

The world's economy is globally linked, as well as the world's food supply.

The ripple effect of the Russian sanctions, energy market and food shortages will cause pain everywhere.

It will cost ChinaIsAsshoe a lot more money to import the oil and food they need now. Too bad, so sad.

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:44:45 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Auto5guy:
This "where are the bodies?" crap is really getting old.

There are literally TONS of pictures of dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be found online. You don't see them on mainstream websites because YOU DON'T WIN THE PR WAR WITH NSFW PICTURES!

Specific to blown turrets. The pressure wave inside a tank it takes to launch the turret that far can liquefy a body. Secondly the shaped charge that penetrates the hull is made from copper. Vaporized copper is 4000 degrees. How much of a gooey body do you expect to have left after 4000 degrees?

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See a turret blown half a block and you don't have to wonder where the bodies went.

They are goo in the hull

This "where are the bodies?" crap is really getting old.

There are literally TONS of pictures of dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be found online. You don't see them on mainstream websites because YOU DON'T WIN THE PR WAR WITH NSFW PICTURES!

Specific to blown turrets. The pressure wave inside a tank it takes to launch the turret that far can liquefy a body. Secondly the shaped charge that penetrates the hull is made from copper. Vaporized copper is 4000 degrees. How much of a gooey body do you expect to have left after 4000 degrees?

The ones around them. People expect there to be supporting infantry units.

715700 Member Joined Aug 2004 Posts 51681 EE 0% (0) EST	Posted: 3/10/2022 5:44:52 PM EST [#18] This is the greatest And here is how the delegation of the heads of the #Russian occupiers, headed by Lavrov, was met in #Turkey today. pic.twitter.com/8vIl8SEAG4 — NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 10, 2022

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:47:29 PM EST

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Originally Posted By somedude:
think this is video of the tank commander's tank in it. tweet from today not sure when footage from.

This video of a Russian military column coming under attack and retreating was geolocated to 50.587111, 30.837889 by @MrWolfih and confirmed by Bellingcat. Filmed in Brovary, northeast of Kyiv. https://t.co/fj8ukOgip0 pic.twitter.com/oc8dV4OOIR
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I guess I had no idea artillery could be that accurate. I was under the impression that you needed an Excalibur or equivalent to do that. Learn something new everyday.

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:47:55 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Consigli:

Aw ease up. She just got a case of the giggles and her boss thinks its cute.

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Originally Posted By realwar:
Zelensky's former press secretary tweets and then deletes message saying it would be a 'tragedy' if Kamala Harris becomes President after VP LAUGHS during Ukraine press conference

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/10/21/article-10599855-55208031-528_964x566.jpg

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Aw ease up. She just got a case of the giggles and her boss thinks its cute.

kuntmala is a stupid annoy bitch.

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:49:02 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Consigli:

Yup. Jen Psaki just green lighted the use of WMD's.

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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By realwar:
Psaki suggests Putin will NOT cross a red line if he uses chemical weapons in Ukraine and says 'we're trying to prevent a world war'

White House press secretary Jen Psaki suggested on Thursday that Vladimir Putin using chemical weapons was not a 'red line' for the United States to prompt a military response.

She doubled down on President Joe Biden's stance that America won't have boots on the ground in the Ukraine. And she refused to say what - if anything - would change that.

'I'm not going to get into red lines from here,' Psaki said from her podium in the White House briefing room.

'I'm not going to get into hypotheticals,' she noted. 'But the president's intention of sending U.S. military to fight in Ukraine against Russia has not changed.'

American officials have expressed concern that Russia could use chemical weapons after the Russian Defense Ministry said Ukraine could make such a move, in what U.S. officials say could be a false flag operation to justify any moves by Moscow.

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Absolutely mind blowing. She's basically told them they're free to use chemical weapons.

Yup. Jen Psaki just green lighted the use of WMD's.

Biden told them they were clear to invade as long as it was only a "minor incursion". This shouldn't be surprising. He wants this war to happen.

If Biden can keep people focused on Russia he can use it as an excuse for all the bullshit he's perpetrating on the American people and they'll even back him on. Look at all the tards that are happy to pay higher gas prices "for freedom".

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:49:49 PM EST

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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

In before the Russian propaganda?

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Originally Posted By realwar:
Mass Grave In Mariupol, Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhACMdEl5M

In before the Russian propaganda?

What sense would that make for this to be Russian propaganda?

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:50:52 PM EST

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The ones around them. People expect there to be supporting infantry units.

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Americans aren't the only soldiers who instinctively drag their wounded and dead away from the battle.

And again, in the modern age even the lowly little guys know what's posted online goes around the world and Ukraine is not helped by NSFW pictures.

Edited to add: We have plenty of video of Russian tanks moving without infantry support. The Russian tactics are a complete cluster fuck violation of their own standard doctrines.

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:52:08 PM EST

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Originally Posted By JoeJeeps:

Biden told them they were clear to invade as long as it was only a "minor incursion". This shouldn't be surprising. He wants this war to happen.

If Biden can keep people focused on Russia he can use it as an excuse for all the bullshit he's perpetrating on the American people and they'll even back him on. Look at all the tards that are happy to pay higher gas prices "for freedom".

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Biden's been pushing a new digital coin currency. If they get that they will have total control over everyone.

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This baffles me a little bit as well. Were the Ukr's concerned about inadvertently arming Russian sabotage teams, or something? "Provoking" the Russians, as silly as that seems now?

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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:

A LOT of residential multi level houses were behind the Russian troops. About a half dozen Ukrainians with even bolt actions could have taken them out easily. Zelenskyy waited until last minute to get the people prepared and was against gun law reforms to ease restrictions in 2021 and even criticized the government for allowing citizens with no military experience to joining the Territorial Defense Forces less than two weeks before the recent invasion.

This baffles me a little bit as well. Were the Ukr's concerned about inadvertently arming Russian sabotage teams, or something? "Provoking" the Russians, as silly as that seems now?

Most countries are a lot more restrictive than we are. Days before the invasion most politicians were saying Putin was bluffing.

Bad things happen in isolated instances in an armed populace, horrific things happen to a disarmed populace. 20th Century Democide https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:54:41 PM EST

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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:

What sense would that make for this to be Russian propaganda?

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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

Originally Posted By realwar:
Mass Grave In Mariupol, Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhACMdEl5M

In before the Russian propaganda?

What sense would that make for this to be Russian propaganda?

"The Ukrainians are doing it to themselves!"

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:55:04 PM EST

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BREAKING: Meta changes hate speech policy, says Facebook and Instagram users may call for violence against Russians, Putin's assassination: report https://t.co/A5eq2uJTAa pic.twitter.com/RnRPvoLIeD
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I guess we are now at war with Eurasia... have always been at war with Eurasia... thus sayeth the Ministry of Truth...

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:55:27 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:

Did you miss where it accidentally leaked Putin had no intention of it ever being just Russia v. Ukraine?

https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

This was never about Nato or the EU. Russia had a scheduled post 48 hours after the start stating that it had annexed Ukraine and fixing the tragedy of the 1991 breakup. They forgot to cancel the post and it was saved. Putin wants Ukraine, Moldova, Baltic https://t.co/7d6Xwt9MFf
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He had every intention of including Moldova and the Baltic states in this excursion. Just like he told the world in his big rant.

He just didn't count on it going as pear shaped as it did because of the now apparent ineptitude of his military and the fight in the Ukrainian people. NATO countries would have been involved in this. What that would have meant, who knows...

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If your source is accurate - and I have my doubts - then the correct response is to fortify the Baltics, not fire up the nukes.

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:56:55 PM EST

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Originally Posted By lycurgus:

Putin essentially threatened to use nuclear weapons if the West interfered with his invasion. Frankly, I don't know how the West can justify letting nuclear blackmail stand unanswered. If you are worried about short term implications of Western action in Ukraine, then you don't have any clue of the enormous ramifications of essentially sanctioning nuclear threats within the world body politic.

Even if Putin is defeated conventionally (how ever that is defined) in Ukraine by solely Ukrainian forces and has to withdraw forces back to Russia, his nuclear threat still stands and the whole world will now understand that there is a new paradigm in the relationships between nuclear powers and all other nations (nuclear and non-nuclear).

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Originally Posted By whollyshite:

I don't feel that "comfortable" with war, in general. It should be avoided whenever possible. This is one of those times where we can do that.

I definitely don't feel comfortable enough with Ukraine to want to put the lives of my fellow countrymen, or a large population of people in Europe, on the line over a war that we have no business in. We weren't attacked. We're relatively new in political partners. We have no treaties. It's not of exceptional strategic value. The cost could be potentially catastrophic.

The extent of involvement that I think we need to have is completely maxed out at this point. Probably a little over what I would like, but definitely no further.

As I said before, I root them on, and I'm fine with supplying them, but they'll have to fight the battles.

And as far as "wholesale slaughter," I definitely don't want the scale of "wholesale slaughter" that would be had if this went nuclear. It would be orders of magnitude worse.

Putin essentially threatened to use nuclear weapons if the West interfered with his invasion. Frankly, I don't know how the West can justify letting nuclear blackmail stand unanswered. If you are worried about short term implications of Western action in Ukraine, then you don't have any clue of the enormous ramifications of essentially sanctioning nuclear threats within the world body politic.

Even if Putin is defeated conventionally (how ever that is defined) in Ukraine by solely Ukrainian forces and has to withdraw forces back to Russia, his nuclear threat still stands and the whole world will now understand that there is a new paradigm in the relationships between nuclear powers and all other nations (nuclear and non-nuclear).

Welcome to 1950-1991.

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Posted: 3/10/2022 5:57:29 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:

Did you miss where it accidentally leaked Putin had no intention of it ever being just Russia v. Ukraine?

https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

This was never about Nato or the EU. Russia had a scheduled post 48 hours after the start stating that it had annexed Ukraine and fixing the tragedy of the 1991 breakup. They forgot to cancel the post and it was saved. Putin wants Ukraine, Moldova, Baltic https://t.co/7d6Xwt9MFf
Monkey Bowl (@BowlMonkey) March 10, 2022

He had every intention of including Moldova and the Baltic states in this excursion. Just like he told the world in his big rant.

He just didn't count on it going as pear shaped as it did because of the now apparent ineptitude of his military and the fight in the Ukrainian people. NATO countries would have been involved in this. What that would have meant, who knows...

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Dude people are wetting themselves so badly I wouldn't be surprised if they start talking about preemptively giving Alaska back to Russia,,

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Posted: 3/10/2022 6:00:05 PM EST

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Originally Posted By happycynic:
Yes. Let's start a nuclear war now so that in the future Putin doesn't potentially start a nuclear war.

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Originally Posted By lycurgus:

And so then Putin's threat still stands. And when he or someone else in Russia decides to take another chunk of Europe, the precedent has already been established that the West will bow to nuclear threats and that it is acceptable to even make such threats. How about it, will the West bow to nuclear threat from China?

Sorry, your path is the path of lunacy in the long term...

Yes. Let's start a nuclear war now so that in the future Putin doesn't potentially start a nuclear war.

It's lunacy!

Nyet means yes

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Posted: 3/10/2022 6:01:51 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Auto5guy:
If that were Trump's press secretary saying the exact same thing in the exact same scenario the Dems would insist that Trump had just authorized the use of WMD's by proxy and immediately begin impeachment proceedings while simultaneously requesting the UN begin a war crimes tribunal.

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Originally Posted By stone-age:

She refused to commit either way. One thing she did NOT say is that would be crossing a red line, she could have said that, she didn't.
It wasn't giving permission quite as much as bidens "minor incursions comment. Her comment was extremely squishy.

But then she followed it up with "no boots on the ground". That's saying the same thing without getting caught in a sound bite that can be used against you.

You guys are trying to see more into this than there is.

The sound bites will spool up everyone tonight watching the talking heads though.

If that were Trump's press secretary saying the exact same thing in the exact same scenario the Dems would insist that Trump had just authorized the use of WMD's by proxy and immediately begin impeachment proceedings while simultaneously requesting the UN begin a war crimes tribunal.

No doubt, but this is the media we have.

Nyet means yes

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Posted: 3/10/2022 6:02:51 PM EST

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that's kinda crazy they probably just got sick of trying to enforce it on that one with the whole world going off though

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakhovka_Reservoir

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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/10/7330121/

mined the banks of the Kakhovka Reservoir

So it's a lake? Do they think the Ukrainian Marines are going to stage an amphibious landing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakhovka_Reservoir

Will that flood the nuke plant or remove the ability to cool the plant? Either way is bad news.

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Can someone explain like I'm 5???

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Originally Posted By stone-age:

"China eases control to let ruble fall faster against yuan
China is easing government exchange rate controls to let the Russian ruble fall faster in value against the Chinese yuan in a move that would help to insulate Beijing from economic sanctions on Moscow"

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-eases-control-ruble-fall-faster-yuan-83360995

Can someone explain like I'm 5???

China purchases or sells rubles on the open market to keep the currency within the trading rage they desire.
Say the ruble and RMB are at 1RUB to 1RMB(Yuan). If china stops purchasing or sells that will
allow the Ruble to become less valuable versus the RMB. If china allows the ruble to move to hypothetically
2RUB to 1RMB that just made chinese exports double in cost to russia and at the same time china
can buy twice as much oil/land/buildings etc. from russia.

Like I said a while back...the joys of international currency trading....

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Can someone explain like I'm 5???

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Originally Posted By stone-age:

"China eases control to let ruble fall faster against yuan
China is easing government exchange rate controls to let the Russian ruble fall faster in value against the Chinese yuan in a move that would help to insulate Beijing from economic sanctions on Moscow"

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-eases-control-ruble-fall-faster-yuan-83360995

Can someone explain like I'm 5???

China was propping up the Ruble. Chinaman say ain't nobody gunna take dem Rubles & it will take lots of them to buy stuff from the people who will. Chinaman say, fukdat, yuan worth more, much more, Ruble for wrapping fish & wiping ass.

How come every time there is a shooting, they want to take away the guns from the people who didn't do it?

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Posted: 3/10/2022 6:05:02 PM EST

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Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT:

See a turret blown half a block and you don't have to wonder where the bodies went.

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Originally Posted By madmathew:
I'm interested in where the troops who went with all that armor went? Killed, captured or ran off? It seems that if they ran toward home that they would not be very well received.

See a turret blown half a block and you don't have to wonder where the bodies went.

I saw one vid and the 3 tank crew (I presume they were the crew) were outside the tank in varying stages of charcoal.

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Can someone explain like I'm 5???

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Originally Posted By stone-age:

"China eases control to let ruble fall faster against yuan
China is easing government exchange rate controls to let the Russian ruble fall faster in value against the Chinese yuan in a move that would help to insulate Beijing from economic sanctions on Moscow"

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-eases-control-ruble-fall-faster-yuan-83360995

Can someone explain like I'm 5???

ChinaIsAsshoe can't keep propping up the Russian ruble. So, they're letting the ruble fall off the cliff.