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Posted: 9/18/2024 3:17:11 PM EST
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The Chargers Scott Matlock is the only player in the NFL to field 5+ snaps on offense and defense so far this season. He has:
47 offensive snaps 24 defensive snaps 29 special teams snaps And for those unaware, he is a defensive lineman who is acting as the Chargers fullback. "It's a true statement: the more you can do, the more value you add to the team. For me, I just love playing football and football is fun. I love it, anything I can do to help the team I'm going to do. Offense, defense and special teams." |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 3:20:27 PM EST
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Chiefs RB Isiah Pacheco underwent successful surgery on his broken fibula with no ligament damage discovered. His estimated return timeline remains 6-8 weeks.
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Posted: 9/18/2024 3:30:03 PM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 3:42:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alembic: Aw C'mon man. I mean who doesn't want to see this holding on two D Linemen on EVERY PLAY like here on the 4th and 16 play.  https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2023/01/Screen-Shot-2023-01-30-at-9.14.39-AM.png?w=1000&h=600&crop=1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alembic: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Ticky tack holding calls: yes. Defensive players being put in headlocks, form tackled, etc. holding calls: no. Aw C'mon man. I mean who doesn't want to see this holding on two D Linemen on EVERY PLAY like here on the 4th and 16 play. https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2023/01/Screen-Shot-2023-01-30-at-9.14.39-AM.png?w=1000&h=600&crop=1 It does sometimes remind people of classic art. So at least there’s that.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 3:45:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Ticky tack holding calls: yes. Defensive players being put in headlocks, form tackled, etc. holding calls: no. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Originally Posted By TinSpinner: Originally Posted By David_ESM: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: I think it's somewhat important to remember that we're watching these games in 4k with zoomed in cameras and instant replays, and these refs are watching these things in real time from fixed positions on the field, there's 22 different guys doing different things, and most of these guys aren't young. Things that happen around the ball when it's in the backfield or the secondary should be easier for those guys to see and call correctly, but stuff that happens in traffic between linemen is a lot harder. They could go to the eye in the sky more, but that could make the games unwatchable very quickly. More eyes = more accurate penalties + more called penalties. It's kind of a law of diminishing returns situation. Where on the curve do we want to be? Where on that curve are you providing the greatest entertainment possible? Edit: Ignoring the gambling side of things, we often lose track of the fact that the NFL is "entertainment". It isn't an industry that needs to be perfect and get everything right. It just needs to make money. And sometimes getting it wrong can make just as much money as getting it right. There would be holding penalties on every play because there is holding on every play to some degree. Nobody wants to see that. Ticky tack holding calls: yes. Defensive players being put in headlocks, form tackled, etc. holding calls: no. The rules on some of that stuff in general and holding in particular are a hell of a lot more complicated than the average NFL fan seems to understand. Where and how an OL guy can grip a DL guy depends on a lot of variables like how the Olineman is moving or which pass rush technique a DLineman is using. A certain type of grasp might be legal against a rip move but a penalty against a bull rush. An OL guy can absolutely manhandle a DL guy as long as he's driving forward with his lower body, but the rules get way more restrictive if he sets or anchors his feet. I've spent a lot of time reading articles and watching videos from veteran OLinemen and coaches talking about this stuff, and I've seen some funny twitter debates between guys like JJ Watt and the Schwartz brothers. There's a lot more to it than people think, and the more I listen to these guys, the more I learn about how much I don't know. I don't think most fans have any clue how much goes into it. These rules are then applied to a car crash of 4 DL on 5 OL or whatever on every snap with just a couple guys watching in real time, and they're supposed to evaluate this stuff in the context of player techniques and feet movement/positioning. Just look at stuff like the hip drop tackle drama going on this season. Those are happening 1 on 1 in space, and a few players have been injured by obvious hip drop tackles that weren't called. Sometimes the refs miss or blow calls completely, sometimes they misinterpret the criteria, and sometimes the rules aren't what people think they are. What is allowed at the LoS is far more complicated than the question of "what is a catch," but we still have problems with that question. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 3:49:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: The rules on some of that stuff in general and holding in particular are a hell of a lot more complicated than the average NFL fan seems to understand. Where and how an OL guy can grip a DL guy depends on a lot of variables like how the Olineman is moving or which pass rush technique a DLineman is using. A certain type of grasp might be legal against a rip move but a penalty against a bull rush. An OL guy can absolutely manhandle a DL guy as long as he's driving forward with his lower body, but the rules get way more restrictive if he sets or anchors his feet. I've spent a lot of time reading articles and watching videos from veteran OLinemen and coaches talking about this stuff, and I've seen some funny twitter debates between guys like JJ Watt and the Schwartz brothers. There's a lot more to it than people think, and the more I listen to these guys, the more I learn about how much I don't know. I don't think most fans have any clue how much goes into it. These rules are then applied to a car crash of 4 DL on 5 OL or whatever on every snap with just a couple guys watching in real time, and they're supposed to evaluate this stuff in the context of player techniques and feet movement/positioning. Just look at stuff like the hip drop tackle drama going on this season. Those are happening 1 on 1 in space, and a few players have been injured by obvious hip drop tackles that weren't called. Sometimes the refs miss or blow calls completely, sometimes they misinterpret the criteria, and sometimes the rules aren't what people think they are. What is allowed at the LoS is far more complicated than the question of "what is a catch," but we still have problems with that question. Thought I read that 0 hip drop penalties have been called yet. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 3:49:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: David_ESM]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: What is allowed at the LoS is far more complicated than the question of "what is a catch," but we still have problems with that question. Twitter Video |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 3:50:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: David_ESM]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wookie1562: Thought I read that 0 hip drop penalties have been called yet. IIRC 7 have been pointed out that should have been called. IIRC 2 of them caused injuries. Edit: The NFL did fine 2 players for making a hip drop week 1. No flags called on the plays. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 4:50:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alembic: Wait til Nov. 17th  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alembic: Originally Posted By StarCityShooter: Taking the refs side now, huh?   Wait til Nov. 17th Tell me about it. Hopefully the Bills Mafia and crashing tables influence the refs enough to be weary of being pro Chief that game  Sorry Bass, truly just fucking with ya 
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Posted: 9/18/2024 4:53:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarCityShooter: Hopefully the Bills Mafia and crashing tables influence the refs enough to be weary of being pro Chief that game |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 4:53:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: 0 penalties called. IIRC 7 have been pointed out that should have been called. IIRC 2 of them caused injuries. Edit: The NFL did fine 2 players for making a hip drop week 1. No flags called on the plays. Saw the same. Believe it was Mixon and Jennings. Chase thought he had one when he blew his lid Sunday. JA17 had one on him too in the AZ game I believe, not called, but the video looked like the example they were showing for the tackle. But hey, the refs are sure getting the Oline guys for a few inches for penalties 
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Posted: 9/18/2024 4:54:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Has the sacrifice pit been filled in yet? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Originally Posted By StarCityShooter: Hopefully the Bills Mafia and crashing tables influence the refs enough to be weary of being pro Chief that game Not sure. Give them time to get drunk and dive in
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Posted: 9/18/2024 4:56:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: If they wanted calls to be more accurate, there is still room to add additional officials to every crew, and places you could put them where they would not interfere with an active play, but there's also a negative to doing that... More penalties. More eyes = more accurate penalties + more called penalties. It's kind of a law of diminishing returns situation. Where on the curve do we want to be? Where on that curve are you providing the greatest entertainment possible? Edit: Ignoring the gambling side of things, we often lose track of the fact that the NFL is "entertainment". It isn't an industry that needs to be perfect and get everything right. It just needs to make money. And sometimes getting it wrong can make just as much money as getting it right. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: I think it's somewhat important to remember that we're watching these games in 4k with zoomed in cameras and instant replays, and these refs are watching these things in real time from fixed positions on the field, there's 22 different guys doing different things, and most of these guys aren't young. Things that happen around the ball when it's in the backfield or the secondary should be easier for those guys to see and call correctly, but stuff that happens in traffic between linemen is a lot harder. They could go to the eye in the sky more, but that could make the games unwatchable very quickly. More eyes = more accurate penalties + more called penalties. It's kind of a law of diminishing returns situation. Where on the curve do we want to be? Where on that curve are you providing the greatest entertainment possible? Edit: Ignoring the gambling side of things, we often lose track of the fact that the NFL is "entertainment". It isn't an industry that needs to be perfect and get everything right. It just needs to make money. And sometimes getting it wrong can make just as much money as getting it right. Good post. People don’t think it be like it is, but it do. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 4:59:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarCityShooter: Saw the same. Believe it was Mixon and Jennings. Mixon was definitely vocal about it. Went on Twitter questioning the "emphasis" that the NFL said they were going to put on the enforcement. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 5:04:57 PM EST
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Paul Finebaum, on Get Up ESPN, said that he believed the Carolina Panthers would have also fucked up Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady if they joined this franchise as rookies.
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Posted: 9/18/2024 5:14:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Paul Finebaum, on Get Up ESPN, said that he believed the Carolina Panthers would have also fucked up Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady if they joined this franchise as rookies. Twitter Video Local sports station was talking about rumors that Carolina was shopping and Bryce was in the mix. They mentioned Miami was also shopping. What would the Dolphins look like with Bryce Young at QB? |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 5:20:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: Local sports station was talking about rumors that Carolina was shopping and Bryce was in the mix. They mentioned Miami was also shopping. What would the Dolphins look like with Bryce Young at QB?
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Posted: 9/18/2024 5:54:19 PM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:01:22 PM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:03:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Paul Finebaum, on Get Up ESPN, said that he believed the Carolina Panthers would have also fucked up Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady if they joined this franchise as rookies. Twitter Video I have no doubt they would. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:09:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Funny. They were talking about it during the game.  Chris Jones: 'I'm an Offensive Genius Bro!' | Mic'd Up w/ the Kansas City Chiefs |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:15:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Paul Finebaum, on Get Up ESPN, said that he believed the Carolina Panthers would have also fucked up Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady if they joined this franchise as rookies. Twitter Video |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:39:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Funny. They were talking about it during the game.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgRYnfOSEo8
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:39:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mjohn3006: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42361/IMG_3989-3325910.jpg Still the best pure passer I've ever seen. Rodgers might be #2. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:45:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarCityShooter: Not sure. Give them time to get drunk and dive in Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarCityShooter: Originally Posted By David_ESM: Originally Posted By StarCityShooter: Hopefully the Bills Mafia and crashing tables influence the refs enough to be weary of being pro Chief that game Not sure. Give them time to get drunk and dive in Pretty sure the base level is complete. No dirt hole.:( |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:39:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: I believe the Vikings WR Jordan Addison is also on the list. The Giant that tackled him (forget the name) was fined for it after Week 1. Mixon was definitely vocal about it. Went on Twitter questioning the "emphasis" that the NFL said they were going to put on the enforcement. Copper Kupps injury sure looked like a hip drop as well. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:59:18 PM EST
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I am NOT a Caleb Williams fan and I’ve been saying for well over a year that not since JaMarcus Russell have I been more confident that the #1 overall pick would be a bust.
Having said that… I totally understand his reaction to CJ Stroud trying to “little brother” him after the game. First off, you just lost your first prime time game, so you’re already not in a good mood, and then, in front of the whole world, you have a guy who is one month older than you (and only played in 15 more NFL games) attempting to lecture you. I wouldn’t want to stick around for that either. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 9:02:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThat was gnarly. Can't blame the QB, puke can be slick as oil. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 9:42:06 PM EST
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Posted: 9/19/2024 7:50:49 AM EST
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Posted: 9/19/2024 7:56:19 AM EST
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Posted: 9/19/2024 8:11:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mjohn3006: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42361/IMG_3996-3326224.jpg I’d be very curious to see the peak win probability of all those games. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 8:16:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mjohn3006: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42361/IMG_3996-3326224.jpg Is all of that really on Lamar's shoulders? |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 8:19:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Is all of that really on Lamar's shoulders? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Originally Posted By mjohn3006: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42361/IMG_3996-3326224.jpg Is all of that really on Lamar's shoulders? All of it: no. Most of it: probably. An amount more than any other player: absolutely. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 8:20:09 AM EST
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Posted: 9/19/2024 8:48:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/17974/1000015029_jpg-3326440.JPG Is that a real quote or made up BS? If real... Thats pretty spicy! |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:00:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/17974/1000015029_jpg-3326440.JPG If that's real...damn. What a way to start your NFL career. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:01:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Is all of that really on Lamar's shoulders? If you (the quarterback) are winning, and have the ball, late in the 4th quarter, and you still lose... Then you HAVE to take part of the accountability for sure. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:03:57 AM EST
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Micah Parsons, on Tuesday, on his weekly podcast "The Edge", said that the referees helped the Chiefs in the Bengals game.
"That game was pretty crazy ... a lot of calls went both ways, and I'm going to be honest ... I feel like the refs did favor the Chiefs a little bit more. But at the end of the day, you can't put the game in the refs' hands." Two days after the Cowboys got stomped 44-19 by the Saints and he is talking about the Chiefs Bengals game. 
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:08:12 AM EST
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Bucs LB Lavonte David needs only 2 solo tackles to tie Brian Urlacher for 9th all-time career solo tackles. He is currently on pace to end the season in sole possession of 5th place.
In his 13th season with the Bucs. 1,044 regular season solo tackles, 1,492 combined. 1,108 (64 more) will surpass Zach Thomas at #5. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:17:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Micah Parsons, on Tuesday, on his weekly podcast "The Edge", said that the referees helped the Chiefs in the Bengals game. "That game was pretty crazy ... a lot of calls went both ways, and I'm going to be honest ... I feel like the refs did favor the Chiefs a little bit more. But at the end of the day, you can't put the game in the refs' hands." Two days after the Cowboys got stomped 44-19 by the Saints and he is talking about the Chiefs Bengals game. It’s a podcast in which he talks about the NFL. Not just himself. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:19:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Micah Parsons, on Tuesday, on his weekly podcast "The Edge", said that the referees helped the Chiefs in the Bengals game. "That game was pretty crazy ... a lot of calls went both ways, and I'm going to be honest ... I feel like the refs did favor the Chiefs a little bit more. But at the end of the day, you can't put the game in the refs' hands." Two days after the Cowboys got stomped 44-19 by the Saints and he is talking about the Chiefs Bengals game. In Parsons defense he is fucking retarded. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:21:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: In Parsons defense he is fucking retarded. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:28:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: Hunter-Killer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: As I posted yesterday (I think? Or was it Tuesday?), Lamar's last 10 losses, 3 of them came to Mahomes + Allen, and the remaining 7 of them, the Ravens had the lead AND the ball with less than 10 minutes to play in every game. If you (the quarterback) are winning, and have the ball, late in the 4th quarter, and you still lose... Then you HAVE to take part of the accountability for sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Originally Posted By AJE: Is all of that really on Lamar's shoulders? If you (the quarterback) are winning, and have the ball, late in the 4th quarter, and you still lose... Then you HAVE to take part of the accountability for sure. The only one of those I can recall watching from beginning of collapse to the end of the game (and actually remember it) was the Giants. At the 5:40 mark, Groot throws a HORRIBLE INT with 3 minutes left resulting in the Giants scoring the GW TD. At the 13:10 mark, Groot, still with a chance to win the game, turns the ball over with 1:30 left.  Giants vs. Ravens INSANE ENDING! Come Back from 10-Point 4th Quarter Deficit!  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:41:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: The only one of those I can recall watching from beginning of collapse to the end of the game (and actually remember it) was the Giants. At the 5:40 mark, Groot throws a HORRIBLE INT with 3 minutes left resulting in the Giants scoring the GW TD. At the 13:19 mark, Groot, still with a chance to win the game, turns the ball over with 1:30 left. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-r278xtjXchttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/IMG_1840_jpeg-3326587.JPG |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:48:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: I remember the loss to the Browns last year. They were up by 14 in the 4th. Browns scored, Ravens get the ball back up by 7 with only a few minutes left, and his first pass of the drive Lamar threw a pick six. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: The only one of those I can recall watching from beginning of collapse to the end of the game (and actually remember it) was the Giants. At the 5:40 mark, Groot throws a HORRIBLE INT with 3 minutes left resulting in the Giants scoring the GW TD. At the 13:19 mark, Groot, still with a chance to win the game, turns the ball over with 1:30 left. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-r278xtjXchttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/IMG_1840_jpeg-3326587.JPG I think Dak took more shit for turnovers that were NOT his fault in 2022 alone than Groot has taken for turnovers that WERE his fault in his entire NFL career. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 10:59:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: I think Dak took more shit for turnovers that were NOT his fault in 2022 alone than Groot has taken for turnovers that WERE his fault in his entire NFL career. He does have a large number of fumbles, but that's part of the game with a rushing QB. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 11:03:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/17974/1000015029_jpg-3326440.JPG That’s a real quote? RGIII 2.0 right there. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 11:03:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Paul Finebaum, on Get Up ESPN, said that he believed the Carolina Panthers would have also fucked up Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady if they joined this franchise as rookies. Twitter Video This is why I have no problem with the Falcons drafting Penix. The best time to draft a QB is when you don't need him to start right away. Compare the success rates for QB's that started immediately vs those that sat for a year or two. The bust rate for those thrown to the wolves is astronomical. |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 11:08:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Lamar has a really low career int%, that is a credit to him. But they seem to always come in the biggest moments. He does have a large number of fumbles, but that's part of the game with a rushing QB. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David_ESM: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: I think Dak took more shit for turnovers that were NOT his fault in 2022 alone than Groot has taken for turnovers that WERE his fault in his entire NFL career. He does have a large number of fumbles, but that's part of the game with a rushing QB. Most of the fumbles I’ve seen from Groot have nothing to do with him being a rushing QB. They have to do with him showing so little regard to protecting the ball that a light breeze knocks the ball out (see the video of the Giants game posted above for an example). |
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