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Posted: 9/2/2021 10:10:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Best thing to do is just take Musk's predictions as "notional." He is doing great with Falcon 9, Crew Dragon, Cargo Dragon. Starship/Super Heavy booster will take time. There will be lots of failures. Probably lots of deaths. Mainly because he seems to like suicide maneuvers just prior to landing with no real-time backup. Falcon 9 booster has little choice but to "suicide burn" as it cannot hover. Can't throttle down enough to make 1:1 thrust to weight. |
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Posted: 9/2/2021 11:55:07 PM EDT
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No surprise. He drops in, stirs up shit, and bails out.
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Posted: 9/3/2021 7:49:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Still waiting on Zero G flight test data from any Starship, let alone returning from an altitude higher than a 737 can fly and safely landing. Then there is MaxQ, how many TPS tiles are they going to lose if it ever gets to that point ? And now Elon want's to scrap the idea of a re-useable booster/2nd stage because he has 'get there itis' for half an orbit ? None of those plans are remotely close to his initial claims, scrapping things like landing gear and reusability have gone out the window. The point is, he's got to get that stuff off the ground and return it safely before he starts hauling the mail. And he is overdue and once again under delivering. Don't see any of his pipe dreams happening this year, maybe not even next year. He's too far behind.  laughing compilation Goddamn, you are so butthurt |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 8:06:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Landing isn't important ? That's his whole "I'm better than everybody else because reusability" schitck. So far his whole Starship program has not demonstrated anything close to that. But he keeps telling everybody that, but what's the point ? The guy would be in a much better light if he told everybody the truth. I love his F9 success, but so far his Starship endeavors have fallen short of his promises.   Do you even have enough mental horsepower to wrap your head around how a fast iterative development process works? They haven't given up on landing, they are performing soft virtual landings over the water to make sure the system works first. Your posts are full of hysterical nonsense. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 8:41:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Do you even have enough mental horsepower to wrap your head around how a fast iterative development process works? They haven't given up on landing, they are performing soft virtual landings over the water to make sure the system works first. Your posts are full of hysterical nonsense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Originally Posted By Dagger41: Landing isn't important ? That's his whole "I'm better than everybody else because reusability" schitck. So far his whole Starship program has not demonstrated anything close to that. But he keeps telling everybody that, but what's the point ? The guy would be in a much better light if he told everybody the truth. I love his F9 success, but so far his Starship endeavors have fallen short of his promises. Do you even have enough mental horsepower to wrap your head around how a fast iterative development process works? They haven't given up on landing, they are performing soft virtual landings over the water to make sure the system works first. Your posts are full of hysterical nonsense. I believe the technical term is "TurboKaren." |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 8:47:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LurkerII]
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Wow, the purse swinging!
The GD launch complex is not even built yet and Starship is a failure all the sudden? Yea, OK.  Attached FileEnough with the Bezos Ball guzzling in the thread please. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 9:04:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Still waiting on Zero G flight test data from any Starship, let alone returning from an altitude higher than a 737 can fly and safely landing. Then there is MaxQ, how many TPS tiles are they going to lose if it ever gets to that point ? And now Elon want's to scrap the idea of a re-useable booster/2nd stage because he has 'get there itis' for half an orbit ? None of those plans are remotely close to his initial claims, scrapping things like landing gear and reusability have gone out the window. The point is, he's got to get that stuff off the ground and return it safely before he starts hauling the mail. And he is overdue and once again under delivering. Don't see any of his pipe dreams happening this year, maybe not even next year. He's too far behind. 
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Posted: 9/5/2021 10:26:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Landing isn't important ? That's his whole "I'm better than everybody else because reusability" schitck. So far his whole Starship program has not demonstrated anything close to that. But he keeps telling everybody that, but what's the point ? The guy would be in a much better light if he told everybody the truth. I love his F9 success, but so far his Starship endeavors have fallen short of his promises. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By Obo2: where did reusability go out the window? cause they are choosing not to try it for a test flight? they showed it can land at terminal velocity, why risk a breakup over a populated area? don't need legs with a giant fucking robot crane to catch it. Get there itis is being able to launch 100 tons in to leo. landing is not as important. Landing isn't important ? That's his whole "I'm better than everybody else because reusability" schitck. So far his whole Starship program has not demonstrated anything close to that. But he keeps telling everybody that, but what's the point ? The guy would be in a much better light if he told everybody the truth. I love his F9 success, but so far his Starship endeavors have fallen short of his promises. Lol are you nuts? How many falcons did spaceX blow up before they started landing them reliably. So far starship has has 3-4 grain silos with flaps as test vehicles. 1 actually landed. 1 almost landed perfectly too. Pretty good for the infancy of a new engine, flight profile, and design. |
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Posted: 9/5/2021 11:47:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dagger41]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RyanEsstac: Lol are you nuts? How many falcons did spaceX blow up before they started landing them reliably. So far starship has has 3-4 grain silos with flaps as test vehicles. 1 actually landed. 1 almost landed perfectly too. Pretty good for the infancy of a new engine, flight profile, and design. I just don't buy in to Musks koolaid, the guy is full of broken promises. "This is the final design of Starship" comes to mind. As well as his launch timelines, 2 weeks becomes 2 months, 2 months become 2 years. I believe the entire Starship program is headed for disaster because of his "get there itis" attitude that has now become a shell of his lofty claims. What's he going to do next, strip it of the TPS to get it to fly for a photo op so he can continue patting himself on the back ? But it is, after all, his money and he can burn through it as fast as Starship is going to burn up in the atmosphere (if it ever gets high enough to deorbit). |
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Posted: 9/5/2021 11:54:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: I just don't buy in to Musks koolaid, the guy is full of broken promises. "This is the final design of Starship" comes to mind. As well as his launch timelines, 2 weeks becomes 2 months, 2 months become 2 years. I believe the entire Starship program is headed for disaster because of his "get there itis" attitude that has now become a shell of his lofty claims. What's he going to do next, strip it of the TPS to get it to fly for a photo op so he can continue patting himself on the back ? But it is, after all, his money and he can burn through it as fast as Starship is going to burn up in the atmosphere (if it ever gets high enough to deorbit). |
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Posted: 9/5/2021 1:42:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: I just don't buy in to Musks koolaid, the guy is full of broken promises. "This is the final design of Starship" comes to mind. As well as his launch timelines, 2 weeks becomes 2 months, 2 months become 2 years. I believe the entire Starship program is headed for disaster because of his "get there itis" attitude that has now become a shell of his lofty claims. What's he going to do next, strip it of the TPS to get it to fly for a photo op so he can continue patting himself on the back ? But it is, after all, his money and he can burn through it as fast as Starship is going to burn up in the atmosphere (if it ever gets high enough to deorbit). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By RyanEsstac: Lol are you nuts? How many falcons did spaceX blow up before they started landing them reliably. So far starship has has 3-4 grain silos with flaps as test vehicles. 1 actually landed. 1 almost landed perfectly too. Pretty good for the infancy of a new engine, flight profile, and design. I just don't buy in to Musks koolaid, the guy is full of broken promises. "This is the final design of Starship" comes to mind. As well as his launch timelines, 2 weeks becomes 2 months, 2 months become 2 years. I believe the entire Starship program is headed for disaster because of his "get there itis" attitude that has now become a shell of his lofty claims. What's he going to do next, strip it of the TPS to get it to fly for a photo op so he can continue patting himself on the back ? But it is, after all, his money and he can burn through it as fast as Starship is going to burn up in the atmosphere (if it ever gets high enough to deorbit). Full blown Musk Derangement Syndrome. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 12:06:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RyanEsstac: Lol are you nuts? How many falcons did spaceX blow up before they started landing them reliably. So far starship has has 3-4 grain silos with flaps as test vehicles. 1 actually landed. 1 almost landed perfectly too. Pretty good for the infancy of a new engine, flight profile, and design. yep, and the landing and reuse, doesn't cost them all that much mass. even without recovery, as a single-use vehicle, this combo would be cheaper than a single SLS engine, possibly a lot cheaper. for 1.5x the tonnage to LEO. SLS is 2 billion per.. Even if these cost 100 million each... which its probably far less... Spacex can probably build and launch 20 of these and put 30x times the mass in LEO for the cost of one SLS  without landing a single one...
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Posted: 9/8/2021 9:31:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/8/2021 12:08:51 PM EDT
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 Departure! Dragon recovery ship GO Navigator is outbound from Port Canaveral and heading to the Gulf of Mexico to support the Inspiration4 mission. Source: Gav Cornwell @SpaceOffshore |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 5:27:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Posted: 9/10/2021 7:35:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Sky: Clean landing video on ASOG from rocket cam.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-LJk-ZB55sI'm just thinking how amazing it is that we've gone from: 'You'll never be able to land a Rocket, C'mon...' to 'Holy shit we can land a Rocket!' to 'Holy shit we can land a rocket on a Barge!' to 'Holy Shit, look at the new barge they're landing rockets on!' ...All in about 6 years. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 9:09:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2021 9:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-9v1ReXoAQ1Wu5?format=jpg&name=orig
Beautiful, just beautiful. |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 11:25:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/11/2021 2:50:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AmericanPeople]
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1) Background info: Source
"A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch on the first dedicated mission with Starlink internet satellites from Vandenberg Space Force Base. This mission will deploy 51 Starlink satellites into a high-inclination orbit." 2) Launch window: 8:55 PM PDT (13 September 2021). 3) Launch Site: SLC-4E, Vandenberg Space Force Base, California 4) Webcast viewing options: a. SpaceX webcast (Starts about 15 minutes before liftoff) b. You Tube  Starlink Mission 5) Launch preparations: a. Boats heading out.  Sentinel-2 captured SpaceX droneship Of Course I Still Love You @ 2021-09-10 18:45:17 UTC, as it was being tugged to the landing zone for the first Starlink mission from Vandenberg. (Source: Harry Stranger @Harry__Stranger) b. Ready for launch. 6) First stage return/disposal: Ocean recovery on OCISLY 7) Mission press kit: Now online here 8) Launch to deployment events/timeline: Hours:Minutes:Seconds after lift-off 00:02:32 1st stage main engine cutoff (MECO) 00:02:35 1st and 2nd stages separate 00:02:43 2nd stage engine starts 00:02:59 Fairing deployment 00:06:46 1st stage entry burn starts 00:07:07 1st stage entry burn ends 00:08:46 1st stage landing 00:08:51 2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO) 00:15:32 Starlink satellites deploy |
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Posted: 9/11/2021 3:17:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AmericanPeople]
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Visibility during ascent, 1st stage re-entry burn and landing burn.
It may be too late after sunset to get great plume illumination but I would watch the entire ascent outside. Maybe close to stage separation the rocket enters sunlight. Almost surely by the end of the second stage burn it should be sunlit Another thing to look for is the re-entry burn. You can see the landing point in the following chart:  Imagine that the burn occurs high up about 80-90% of the distance from lift-off to ocean recovery. That will be south-southeast from Vandenberg, due south from Los Angeles and south-southwest from San Diego. Elevation (distance above the horizon) is unknown so scan from the horizon up. Even from Vandenberg I am guessing (no data to back it up) that the re-entry burn will be at least 30 degrees above the horizon. There was a recent Florida night launch where the re-entry burn was observed from Florida. I would look for the landing burn too. Verify the azimuth and it should be near the horizon. I would use binoculars. Without having better info people further south have a better chance of seeing the landing burn. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 6:04:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-9v1ReXoAQ1Wu5?format=jpg&name=orig
How close can we get to the Fantastic 4 logo without being sued by Marvel/Disney? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:08:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2021 10:57:16 PM EDT
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1 hour to launch
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: 1 hour to launch |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:06:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Sky: I can't get the video to load, is it working for you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Sky: Originally Posted By Chokey: 1 hour to launch notchet |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:10:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:15:45 PM EDT
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Quote Historynice forgot that was tonight. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:16:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks. Got it up now also. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:37:53 PM EDT
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Webcast starting
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:45:41 PM EDT
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10 minutes.
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:53:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cmatcher]
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:54:56 PM EDT
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Is anyone in California going to watch it outside?
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:03:07 AM EDT
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Might just be the camera or camera mount but the second stage seems to have more vibrations than I remember.
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:05:30 AM EDT
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nailed it
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:06:04 AM EDT
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Never gets old. So cool
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:06:50 AM EDT
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Imagine Apollo if we could have reflow boosters 10 times.
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:07:34 AM EDT
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video
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:07:57 AM EDT
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Why 51 Starlink sats? Are these the new, bigger ones?
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:10:35 AM EDT
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Nice.
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:11:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858: Why 51 Starlink sats? Are these the new, bigger ones? |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:12:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858: Why 51 Starlink sats? Are these the new, bigger ones? 70 degree orbit requires more energy so they have to drop the payload mass to compensate. These may be larger thus heavier as well. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:16:55 AM EDT
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The launch timeline did say deployment around T+15 minutes.
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:18:27 AM EDT
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I knew this was scheduled for over a week.
I've been in Florida since May, and STILL haven't seen one go!
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:23:03 AM EDT
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from Long Beach
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:26:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:30:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SurfAnimal: I knew this was scheduled for over a week. I've been in Florida since May, and STILL haven't seen one go! FYI, Inspiration4 5 hour window starts @8pm EDT on Wednesday. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:31:59 AM EDT
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80% chance of favorable weather for Inspiration4
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:32:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_N-bk5VEAYY8gS?format=jpg&name=orig Red, White, and Blue...
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Posted: 9/14/2021 8:59:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Sky: Red, White, and Blue... 
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