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Posted: 10/26/2021 9:51:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it ever explained why the Federation has such visible warp nacelles compared to other aliens? It just seems like it's a target that sticks out really easily for an enemy to shoot off. I was concerned about the design of ship that Gene told me would have warp drive. I thought, 'What the hell is warp drive?' But I gathered that this ship had to have powerful engines extremely powerful. To me, that meant that they had to be designed away from the body. Boy, I tried a lot of ideas. I wanted to stay away from the flying saucer shape. The ball or sphere, as you'll see in some of the sketches, was my idea, but I ended up with the saucer after all. Gene would come in to look over what I was doing and say, 'I don't like this,' or, 'This looks good.' If Gene liked it, he'd ask the boss [Herbert Solow] and if the boss liked it, then I'd work on that idea for a while. For the hull, I didn't really want a saucer because of the term flying saucer and the best pressure vessel of course is a ball, so I started playing with that. But the bulk got in the way and the ball just didn't work. I flattened it out and I guess we wound up with a saucer! I did it in color on a black matt board, and by the time I finished I thought we really had something. "Finalized" design  Attached FileSaucer - engineering hull - paired nacelles set the design aesthetic for Starfleet and the Enterprise in particular. It's visual shorthand. Don't get too hung up on any of the "rules" of design in Star Trek, the shows have broken them many, many times, for convenience, for spite, on a whim... |
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Posted: 10/26/2021 9:54:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2021 9:57:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFaster than light travel is such an important thing in so many science fiction settings. But I can't help but feel that the first few serious experiments to try to exceed the speed of causality will either wind up looking like something out of Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy, or Event Horizon. |
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:01:34 PM EDT
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I'd like to know the ages of people voting. I wonder if people who voted original grew up in the 60's or 70's, those who voted refit grew up in the 80's like me, and those who voted D or E grew up with TNG.
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:10:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh……..I’ll take the USS DEFIANT I’m not the only one then. Always like the lines on the Defiant |
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:12:01 PM EDT
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Nebula and Akira. Excelsior was cool in a '57 Chevy in space kind of way, too.
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:19:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Second from the bottom is the E aka the next generation movies Enterprise. The bottom one is the reboot Enterprise from the 2009 movie Ok i stand corrected E then. I disnt see the writing in the bottom. |
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:32:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:40:42 PM EDT
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Do they really need the external lights showing the number etc?
Who's that for? Turn off the lights, save energy. |
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:46:01 PM EDT
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The one that Kirk used when he was getting green pootang.
  . . . . . . . Picard was the Joe Biden of startship captains . . . |
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:52:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to know the ages of people voting. I wonder if people who voted original grew up in the 60's or 70's, those who voted refit grew up in the 80's like me, and those who voted D or E grew up with TNG. I voted for the refit, and I still remember waiting for the new TOS episode each week. |
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:52:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to know the ages of people voting. I wonder if people who voted original grew up in the 60's or 70's, those who voted refit grew up in the 80's like me, and those who voted D or E grew up with TNG. I was 12 when TNG premiered. I remember watching the first episode very vividly. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 3:56:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was 12 when TNG premiered. I remember watching the first episode very vividly. Same. Remember how stiff the cast was? Lol |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 4:06:41 AM EDT
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I'll always be partial to the original. The refit was pretty cool though.
Quoted: Quoted: I was 12 when TNG premiered. I remember watching the first episode very vividly. Same. Remember how stiff the cast was? Lol It's been years but I think I remember Jonathan Frakes saying something about how it was those godawful uniforms. They'd pull on you constantly and would literally give you back pain after a while. Original Series and Enterprise prequel crews got the best uniforms from the perspective of someone using them. TOS uniforms were velour and all-day comfortable, and so were Enterprise blue flight suits. Everyone else on the other series got a shit sandwich with those 24th century Starfleet uniforms. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 9:44:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been years but I think I remember Jonathan Frakes saying something about how it was those godawful uniforms. They'd pull on you constantly and would literally give you back pain after a while. That was with the jump suits when they first started. They switched to the two piece outfits, and that led to having to pull the top down to straighten it when getting up from a chair. He said they called it The Picard Maneuver. 
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Posted: 10/27/2021 9:56:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203964/USS_Enterprise-A_quarter_jpg-2144370.JPG The Enterprise refit is the most beautiful starship in the star trek universe, with the Miranda class a close second... Agreed. Did you know the bridges of the Enterprise and Reliant were almost identical, but the Captain's chair on Reliant was covered in rich, Corinthian leather? |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 10:01:32 AM EDT
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Sorry for my ignorance, but what class of ship is this, with 3 nacelles?
I’m a SW nerd, not ST, but I love that ship.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 10:04:53 AM EDT
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Doesn’t matter. Any design with the engines on stalks is going to go in circles.
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Posted: 10/27/2021 10:15:19 AM EDT
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No love for the NX series refits? This was supposed to be introduced in season 5 but the series was cancelled. Damned shame. Loved Enterprise almost as much as TOS. I'm in season 4 of DS9 currently but not as good as Enterprise.
 Star Trek Online - NX Class Refit! First look! |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 10:19:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry for my ignorance, but what class of ship is this, with 3 nacelles? I’m a SW nerd, not ST, but I love that ship. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284805/29B3F970-B3ED-4A43-9523-1BDCA0E7D7AF_jpe-2144967.JPG Final episode of TNG had it as an alternate timeline Enterprise - cloaking, warp 13, big-ass laser, judgement-free holodeck, etc. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 10:19:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry for my ignorance, but what class of ship is this, with 3 nacelles? I'm a SW nerd, not ST, but I love that ship. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284805/29B3F970-B3ED-4A43-9523-1BDCA0E7D7AF_jpe-2144967.JPG Future ship, in the last TNG episode. https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_nacelle https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/All_Good_Things... Edit - Beat by five seconds. 
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Posted: 10/27/2021 10:26:13 AM EDT
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Enterprise E is the sexiest Enterprise followed closely by Refit 1701.
Defiant was baddest ass ship because it was Benjamin Sisko's pimp hand, who gave no fucks about as much as Kirk, I mean the mother fucker was an accomplice to killing a Romulan Senator and ended up given no fucks. Except for that 1 episode where they had to bring racism in. 24th century, most records were probably destroyed by the third world war, but somehow Ben Sisko knew blacks were oppressed in the 1940s-50s. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 2:17:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll always be partial to the original. The refit was pretty cool though. It's been years but I think I remember Jonathan Frakes saying something about how it was those godawful uniforms. They'd pull on you constantly and would literally give you back pain after a while. Original Series and Enterprise prequel crews got the best uniforms from the perspective of someone using them. TOS uniforms were velour and all-day comfortable, and so were Enterprise blue flight suits. Everyone else on the other series got a shit sandwich with those 24th century Starfleet uniforms. Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll always be partial to the original. The refit was pretty cool though. Quoted: Quoted: I was 12 when TNG premiered. I remember watching the first episode very vividly. Same. Remember how stiff the cast was? Lol It's been years but I think I remember Jonathan Frakes saying something about how it was those godawful uniforms. They'd pull on you constantly and would literally give you back pain after a while. Original Series and Enterprise prequel crews got the best uniforms from the perspective of someone using them. TOS uniforms were velour and all-day comfortable, and so were Enterprise blue flight suits. Everyone else on the other series got a shit sandwich with those 24th century Starfleet uniforms. I remember thinking that they were afraid to "fuck it up", it's a lot of responsibility to start a new chapter in a beloved series.. but shitty uniforms make better sense 
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Posted: 10/27/2021 2:19:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same. Remember how stiff the cast was? Lol Yeah took two whole seasons to get into a stride, IMO. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 2:22:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enterprise E is the sexiest Enterprise followed closely by Refit 1701. Defiant was baddest ass ship because it was Benjamin Sisko's pimp hand, who gave no fucks about as much as Kirk, I mean the mother fucker was an accomplice to killing a Romulan Senator and ended up given no fucks. Except for that 1 episode where they had to bring racism in. 24th century, most records were probably destroyed by the third world war, but somehow Ben Sisko knew blacks were oppressed in the 1940s-50s. Sisko also massacred innocents to make a point. He was the most bad ass ST Captain.  This is why Sisko is the most badass captain |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 2:25:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sisko also massacred innocents to make a point. He was the most bad ass ST Captain.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGcAbI-4_ioQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Enterprise E is the sexiest Enterprise followed closely by Refit 1701. Defiant was baddest ass ship because it was Benjamin Sisko's pimp hand, who gave no fucks about as much as Kirk, I mean the mother fucker was an accomplice to killing a Romulan Senator and ended up given no fucks. Except for that 1 episode where they had to bring racism in. 24th century, most records were probably destroyed by the third world war, but somehow Ben Sisko knew blacks were oppressed in the 1940s-50s. Sisko also massacred innocents to make a point. He was the most bad ass ST Captain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGcAbI-4_ioForgot about that one. Gene Roddenberry rolled over in his grave. Grew up on TNG, but Picard was a bitch compared to Sisko. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 2:25:35 PM EDT
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Enterprise in Wrath of Kahn and Enterprise D are the two best.
They fucked up killing off the D in the first movie. I never gave a shit about the E. The D was the one we'd grown to love over seven years. E was just a ship. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 2:26:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll always be partial to the original. The refit was pretty cool though. It's been years but I think I remember Jonathan Frakes saying something about how it was those godawful uniforms. They'd pull on you constantly and would literally give you back pain after a while. Original Series and Enterprise prequel crews got the best uniforms from the perspective of someone using them. TOS uniforms were velour and all-day comfortable, and so were Enterprise blue flight suits. Everyone else on the other series got a shit sandwich with those 24th century Starfleet uniforms. Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll always be partial to the original. The refit was pretty cool though. Quoted: Quoted: I was 12 when TNG premiered. I remember watching the first episode very vividly. Same. Remember how stiff the cast was? Lol It's been years but I think I remember Jonathan Frakes saying something about how it was those godawful uniforms. They'd pull on you constantly and would literally give you back pain after a while. Original Series and Enterprise prequel crews got the best uniforms from the perspective of someone using them. TOS uniforms were velour and all-day comfortable, and so were Enterprise blue flight suits. Everyone else on the other series got a shit sandwich with those 24th century Starfleet uniforms. I believe the seasons of TNG with the strip around the upper part of the uniform they said were the worse. The later years weren't as bad. I think they also said that is how the Picard Tuck got started. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 2:30:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enterprise in Wrath of Kahn and Enterprise D are the two best. They fucked up killing off the D in the first movie. I never gave a shit about the E. The D was the one we'd grown to love over seven years. E was just a ship. That seemed like a very odd narrative decision to me. Especially the way it went out. Sucker punched by an outdated Klingon warbird. Did that crew really need a new ship that was much more militarized? The critical drinker did a review of Star Trek Beyond a little while ago where he brought that up. "You wouldn't think it was possible to emasculate a starship, yet..." |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 2:37:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That seemed like a very odd narrative decision to me. Especially the way it went out. Sucker punched by an outdated Klingon warbird. Did that crew really need a new ship that was much more militarized? The critical drinker did a review of Star Trek Beyond a little while ago where he brought that up. "You wouldn't think it was possible to emasculate a starship, yet..." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Enterprise in Wrath of Kahn and Enterprise D are the two best. They fucked up killing off the D in the first movie. I never gave a shit about the E. The D was the one we'd grown to love over seven years. E was just a ship. That seemed like a very odd narrative decision to me. Especially the way it went out. Sucker punched by an outdated Klingon warbird. Did that crew really need a new ship that was much more militarized? The critical drinker did a review of Star Trek Beyond a little while ago where he brought that up. "You wouldn't think it was possible to emasculate a starship, yet..." Yea I never understood the reason for killing the "D" like a bitch. Although the only good TNG movie was first contact. The only thing I could think of was DS:9 at the time was getting into the dominion war and Ben Sisko's pimp hand was a warship. Maybe they thought they had to keep up even though the dominion war never played any part of the TNG movies out side of Picard getting pissed in 1 of them that they were ordered to put out one more brush fire. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 2:46:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The canon reason is that it has to do with how Cochrane designed his warp drive system. Something about they have to be in a certain position, must be symmetrical, there must be 2 of them and there must be empty space between the nacelles. Clearly lots of other races didn't give a shit about those rules. You see the Vulcan ship compared to Cochrane's ship in First Contact. There's not much similarity there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it ever explained why the Federation has such visible warp nacelles compared to other aliens? It just seems like it's a target that sticks out really easily for an enemy to shoot off. The canon reason is that it has to do with how Cochrane designed his warp drive system. Something about they have to be in a certain position, must be symmetrical, there must be 2 of them and there must be empty space between the nacelles. Clearly lots of other races didn't give a shit about those rules. You see the Vulcan ship compared to Cochrane's ship in First Contact. There's not much similarity there. According to the tech manual for 1701-D, anything between the warp nacelles would be vaporized when they're activated. They kinda screwed that up with Riker's ship from the future, but I suppose maybe they figured a way around that with future tech. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 3:05:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No love for the NX series refits? This was supposed to be introduced in season 5 but the series was cancelled. Damned shame. Loved Enterprise almost as much as TOS. I'm in season 4 of DS9 currently but not as good as Enterprise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEfzVhjnTfgNope, no love for it at all.  
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Posted: 10/27/2021 3:06:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea I never understood the reason for killing the "D" like a bitch. Although the only good TNG movie was first contact. The only thing I could think of was DS:9 at the time was getting into the dominion war and Ben Sisko's pimp hand was a warship. Maybe they thought they had to keep up even though the dominion war never played any part of the TNG movies out side of Picard getting pissed in 1 of them that they were ordered to put out one more brush fire. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Enterprise in Wrath of Kahn and Enterprise D are the two best. They fucked up killing off the D in the first movie. I never gave a shit about the E. The D was the one we'd grown to love over seven years. E was just a ship. That seemed like a very odd narrative decision to me. Especially the way it went out. Sucker punched by an outdated Klingon warbird. Did that crew really need a new ship that was much more militarized? The critical drinker did a review of Star Trek Beyond a little while ago where he brought that up. "You wouldn't think it was possible to emasculate a starship, yet..." Yea I never understood the reason for killing the "D" like a bitch. Although the only good TNG movie was first contact. The only thing I could think of was DS:9 at the time was getting into the dominion war and Ben Sisko's pimp hand was a warship. Maybe they thought they had to keep up even though the dominion war never played any part of the TNG movies out side of Picard getting pissed in 1 of them that they were ordered to put out one more brush fire. Because it would look cool, apparently that's as deep as the thinking went: Link The idea for destroying the Enterprise-D in Star Trek Generations came from artwork in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Writer's Technical Manual showing the separated saucer section making an emergency crash landing onto a planet. TNG's producers actually wanted to show this at the end of season 6, but it was prohibitively expensive on the TV show's budget. Producers Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga, who co-wrote Generations, pitched the idea of the saucer crash landing and destroying the Enterprise-D to executive producer Rick Berman, who gave it a green light. The TNG brain trust also agreed that it created an opportunity to introduce a new Enterprise in the next movie, which is what happened: the Sovereign-class U.S.S. Enterprise-E made its debut in Star Trek: First Contact (and it's still in service in Star Trek: Picard's era over 20 years later). Yeah, that was a bullshit "death". Worse than Tasha Yar's. IIRC they intended to give the Duras sisters a new kickass ship worthy of killing the D, but they ran out of money partway through production and were ordered to reuse effects from a previous movie, and the only thing that fit was General Chang's bird of prey getting exploded in Undiscovered Country. That sequence ripped me right out of the movie and destroyed whatever warm fuzzies I felt for it. Involving the Duras sisters at all was a mistake, they bordered on comic relief in TNG. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 3:09:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2021 3:09:12 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryThat's pretty cool! Wish a season 5 would've happened. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 3:11:12 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it would look cool, apparently that's as deep as the thinking went: Link The idea for destroying the Enterprise-D in Star Trek Generations came from artwork in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Writer's Technical Manual showing the separated saucer section making an emergency crash landing onto a planet. TNG's producers actually wanted to show this at the end of season 6, but it was prohibitively expensive on the TV show's budget. Producers Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga, who co-wrote Generations, pitched the idea of the saucer crash landing and destroying the Enterprise-D to executive producer Rick Berman, who gave it a green light. The TNG brain trust also agreed that it created an opportunity to introduce a new Enterprise in the next movie, which is what happened: the Sovereign-class U.S.S. Enterprise-E made its debut in Star Trek: First Contact (and it's still in service in Star Trek: Picard's era over 20 years later). Yeah, that was a bullshit "death". Worse than Tasha Yar's. IIRC they intended to give the Duras sisters a new kickass ship worthy of killing the D, but they ran out of money partway through production and were ordered to reuse effects from a previous movie, and the only thing that fit was General Chang's bird of prey getting exploded in Undiscovered Country. That sequence ripped me right out of the movie and destroyed whatever warm fuzzies I felt for it. Involving the Duras sisters at all was a mistake, they bordered on comic relief in TNG. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Enterprise in Wrath of Kahn and Enterprise D are the two best. They fucked up killing off the D in the first movie. I never gave a shit about the E. The D was the one we'd grown to love over seven years. E was just a ship. That seemed like a very odd narrative decision to me. Especially the way it went out. Sucker punched by an outdated Klingon warbird. Did that crew really need a new ship that was much more militarized? The critical drinker did a review of Star Trek Beyond a little while ago where he brought that up. "You wouldn't think it was possible to emasculate a starship, yet..." Yea I never understood the reason for killing the "D" like a bitch. Although the only good TNG movie was first contact. The only thing I could think of was DS:9 at the time was getting into the dominion war and Ben Sisko's pimp hand was a warship. Maybe they thought they had to keep up even though the dominion war never played any part of the TNG movies out side of Picard getting pissed in 1 of them that they were ordered to put out one more brush fire. Because it would look cool, apparently that's as deep as the thinking went: Link The idea for destroying the Enterprise-D in Star Trek Generations came from artwork in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Writer's Technical Manual showing the separated saucer section making an emergency crash landing onto a planet. TNG's producers actually wanted to show this at the end of season 6, but it was prohibitively expensive on the TV show's budget. Producers Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga, who co-wrote Generations, pitched the idea of the saucer crash landing and destroying the Enterprise-D to executive producer Rick Berman, who gave it a green light. The TNG brain trust also agreed that it created an opportunity to introduce a new Enterprise in the next movie, which is what happened: the Sovereign-class U.S.S. Enterprise-E made its debut in Star Trek: First Contact (and it's still in service in Star Trek: Picard's era over 20 years later). Yeah, that was a bullshit "death". Worse than Tasha Yar's. IIRC they intended to give the Duras sisters a new kickass ship worthy of killing the D, but they ran out of money partway through production and were ordered to reuse effects from a previous movie, and the only thing that fit was General Chang's bird of prey getting exploded in Undiscovered Country. That sequence ripped me right out of the movie and destroyed whatever warm fuzzies I felt for it. Involving the Duras sisters at all was a mistake, they bordered on comic relief in TNG. Man that is bullshit. Yea that Klingon ship destruction has been used in everything, even at least the ending battle of DS9, which was lame as fuck reusing footage for that. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 3:17:41 PM EDT
[#37]
I voted Refit, but the TOS ship didn't look bad.
  
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Posted: 10/27/2021 3:55:03 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I voted Refit, but the TOS ship didn't look bad. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22875/scratch-09-05-2003029.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22875/scratch-09-04-2003024.jpg   |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 4:53:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sisko also massacred innocents to make a point. He was the most bad ass ST Captain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGcAbI-4_ioits a fake! DS9 was my favorite of all the ST. Hoshi my favorite crewmember 
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Posted: 10/27/2021 5:01:31 PM EDT
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My favorite is the Andrew Probert design for the NCC-1701C.
E is second, Refit is third.  ETA: Probert finalized the design for the Refit for ST:TMP. He also designed the D and during the design, he felt he needed to justify the radical departure of the D from the Refit by assembling the Enterprise lineage. So he assumed the B would be an Excelsior class and the C would bridge the gap between Excelsior and the Galaxy class. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 5:03:49 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I voted Refit, but the TOS ship didn't look bad. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22875/scratch-09-05-2003029.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22875/scratch-09-04-2003024.jpg Those are 2 design aesthetics that do not play well together. 
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Posted: 10/27/2021 5:12:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2021 5:16:13 PM EDT
[#43]
NX class brings the hoes and stacks em deep yo.
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Posted: 10/27/2021 5:17:00 PM EDT
[#44]
 Excelsior Refit, USS Lakota. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 5:45:34 PM EDT
[#45]
Those three posted are ugly.
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Posted: 10/27/2021 6:59:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Final episode of TNG had it as an alternate timeline Enterprise - cloaking, warp 13, big-ass laser, judgement-free holodeck, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sorry for my ignorance, but what class of ship is this, with 3 nacelles? I’m a SW nerd, not ST, but I love that ship. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284805/29B3F970-B3ED-4A43-9523-1BDCA0E7D7AF_jpe-2144967.JPG Final episode of TNG had it as an alternate timeline Enterprise - cloaking, warp 13, big-ass laser, judgement-free holodeck, etc. The Enterprise Dreadnought with its Klingon-killing megaphaser. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 7:03:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2021 7:20:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2021 7:37:40 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry for my ignorance, but what class of ship is this, with 3 nacelles? I’m a SW nerd, not ST, but I love that ship. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284805/29B3F970-B3ED-4A43-9523-1BDCA0E7D7AF_jpe-2144967.JPG Alternate timeline Galaxy class. That's the Enterprise commanded by Admiral Riker. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 7:45:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it would look cool, apparently that's as deep as the thinking went: Link The idea for destroying the Enterprise-D in Star Trek Generations came from artwork in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Writer's Technical Manual showing the separated saucer section making an emergency crash landing onto a planet. TNG's producers actually wanted to show this at the end of season 6, but it was prohibitively expensive on the TV show's budget. Producers Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga, who co-wrote Generations, pitched the idea of the saucer crash landing and destroying the Enterprise-D to executive producer Rick Berman, who gave it a green light. The TNG brain trust also agreed that it created an opportunity to introduce a new Enterprise in the next movie, which is what happened: the Sovereign-class U.S.S. Enterprise-E made its debut in Star Trek: First Contact (and it's still in service in Star Trek: Picard's era over 20 years later). Yeah, that was a bullshit "death". Worse than Tasha Yar's. IIRC they intended to give the Duras sisters a new kickass ship worthy of killing the D, but they ran out of money partway through production and were ordered to reuse effects from a previous movie, and the only thing that fit was General Chang's bird of prey getting exploded in Undiscovered Country. That sequence ripped me right out of the movie and destroyed whatever warm fuzzies I felt for it. Involving the Duras sisters at all was a mistake, they bordered on comic relief in TNG. My nerd boner is starting to show, but I remember seeing Generations in theaters, bigger budget, cleaner SFX.. this scene gave me chills (best quality I could find in a quick search) -  Star Trek Generations: "Helm warp one engage!" ( With enhanced Warp Sound Effect ) That at the end of the movie when the Klingon Bird of Prey exploded... (Me) "WHAT! That's the same effect used in the previous movie!" Hadn't heard about the budget part, makes sense. And yes, First Contact is the best 'Trek movie. Surprisingly I didn't mind the JJ Abrams reboots too much, I think mostly because the casting was near perfect. I wish DS9 had gotten a movie of their own. ETA: The part about the Duras sisters getting a kick-ass ship would explain the bullshit Reman Scimitar warship in Nemesis. A massive warbird built in secret with a MacGuffin of a bioweapon and able to fire while cloaked... stealing from Star Trek VI this time. 
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