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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:00:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Oh look it's another N_T believing that recounts have anything to do with proving or disproving fraud. I'm so shocked to see them parroting easily disproven and illogical MSM propaganda again. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The key difference between our mentality and view on this topic; is that my view assumes that government is both corrupt and incompetent. This was the view of the founding fathers and the underlying assumption behind our system of government. You, among others, with no proof or evidence, decide that you want to assume that the government, their workers and politicians involved are righteous, honest and competent. This despite a ton of indicators that they are not. Further, you want to afford the government, the same rights as individuals are supposed to receive against the government... The presumption of innocence. I don't recall reading any founding father arguing that government, accused by the people, should be presumed good or innocent or any of that. Rather it's the complete opposite. And despite this massive disagreement that permeates our entire society, it is the government and their lying propagandists who continue to deliberately oppose measures to prevent future occurrences. Why do you think that is? Because they are so honest? Or is voter ID racist? This is still just more strawman nonsense. Nobody is defending the virtue, integrity, or righteousness of government. It is simply that if you make a claim, the burden is on you to prove it. Trump claimed the election was stolen from him, yet he failed to prove it. Thanks for saving me the time so I don't have to respond to that nonsense. Oh look it's another N_T believing that recounts have anything to do with proving or disproving fraud. I'm so shocked to see them parroting easily disproven and illogical MSM propaganda again. Actual quotes from his lawyers concerning the lack of evidence for fraud specifically while under oath are MSM talking points? K. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:03:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Yep Luckily the gov would never threaten lawyers for trying to prove election fraud. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Add trumps lawyers to that list of people claiming there was no significant fraud. Luckily the gov would never threaten lawyers for trying to prove election fraud. If that's the claim you're making please provide evidence. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:04:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: I see our more principled members are still frothing at the mouth against Trump. Carry on  Another big brain using "principled" as an insult. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:07:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: If that's the claim you're making please provide evidence. There’s an excuse for everything. Reply will be something like “the evidence was scrubbed” |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:08:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Another big brain using "principled" as an insult. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By mgwantob: I see our more principled members are still frothing at the mouth against Trump. Carry on Another big brain using "principled" as an insult. Better that than a smooth brain parroting CNN. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:14:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: You’re true to your beliefs. That’s rad. Others hate Trump and justify voting for him under the condition that they slander and mock his supporters at every opportunity. That’s not rad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: Originally Posted By macros73: Notice Euro’s focus on what, not why. He can disparage the what: I’m going to vote for Harris. He ignores the reasons: it’s the most I can do peacefully to block Trump from being elected, as I cannot support a traitor. It’s easier to cast me as Communist, and those who agree with some of my points as Communist sympathizers. It’s straight from the Trump campaign handbook in the chapter titled “Red Scare.” You’re true to your beliefs. That’s rad. Others hate Trump and justify voting for him under the condition that they slander and mock his supporters at every opportunity. That’s not rad. When so many of his supporters act like a religious cult, it’s hard not to mock their silliness. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:15:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: TxRabbitBane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By esa17: If you’re a “conservative” anything and you’re not voting for Trump…Fuck you, you’re a commie. Look, another person using that “commie” word without knowing what it means. If you think Trump is conservative, you don’t know what that word means either. That’s ok though, Trump loves the uneducated. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:15:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Better that than a smooth brain parroting CNN. lol some of you guys I swear. It’s like this pavlovian response anytime somebody posts something negative about Trump, even if it undeniably a fact. Hurr durr CNN talking points. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:16:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Look, another person using that “commie” word without knowing what it means. That’s ok though, Trump loves the uneducated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By esa17: If you’re a “conservative” anything and you’re not voting for Trump…Fuck you, you’re a commie. Look, another person using that “commie” word without knowing what it means. That’s ok though, Trump loves the uneducated. What are you educated about? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:19:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: lol some of you guys I swear. It’s like this pavlovian response anytime somebody posts something negative about Trump, even if it undeniably a fact. Hurr durr CNN talking points. They repeat what they are programmed to repeat. They call the left NPCs then do the exact same things. CNN Propaganda Bad. Trump Propaganda Good. Don’t bother me with the facts I’ve already made up my mind. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:20:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: What are you educated about? 
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:40:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stug3: No, the burden of proof was on Epstein's fat orange wingman who didnt have shit besides footage of people moving boxes around. what a load of shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stug3: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The government and MSM are claiming that there was no meaningful fraud in the election, and have failed to prove it. They refuse to even reasonably investigate it, as easily 1/3 of the society would demand. You want those people to believe you that your election and government are legitimate, the burden of proof is on you. Being too incompetent to secure and document elections, is not a lack of proof. It is the most important evidence that is most decisive in the minds of the logical American with classic American values. Believing that the government is presumed competent and doesn't owe answers when questioned is some Soviet bullshit mentality that has absolutely no place in America. No, the burden of proof was on Epstein's fat orange wingman who didnt have shit besides footage of people moving boxes around. what a load of shit. I say it's not. Like the founding fathers, I believe the government is corrupt and incompetent unless they prove otherwise. That's why we are supposed to have a press (which we don't anymore) and an open society where credible accusations of political fraud are investigated. None of that happened. People advocating that the government should get presumption of innocence are going 180 degrees from having a free and open society. But this attitude is common now, it's the same philosophy that all the lemmings used to justify experts like Fauci foisting nonsense and random tyranny on the nation. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:45:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Better that than a smooth brain parroting CNN. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By mgwantob: I see our more principled members are still frothing at the mouth against Trump. Carry on Another big brain using "principled" as an insult. Better that than a smooth brain parroting CNN. Actual quotes from Trump's lawyers equals CNN talking points? You probably shouldn't be calling anyone smooth brained. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:48:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: I say it's not. Like the founding fathers, I believe the government is corrupt and incompetent unless they prove otherwise. That's why we are supposed to have a press (which we don't anymore) and an open society where credible accusations of political fraud are investigated. None of that happened. People advocating that the government should get presumption of innocence are going 180 degrees from having a free and open society. But this attitude is common now, it's the same philosophy that all the lemmings used to justify experts like Fauci foisting nonsense and random tyranny on the nation. I agree. Corrupt and incompetent. You just haven’t accepted that describes Trump as much as anybody else. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:58:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cja11B2P: Since it’s so easy why don’t you spend the rest of the day creating say, 100 fake voter registrations. Guess what, it’s not happening because it’s not an easy thing to do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cja11B2P: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Ballots and Registration are easily defrauded in our current broken system Since it’s so easy why don’t you spend the rest of the day creating say, 100 fake voter registrations. Guess what, it’s not happening because it’s not an easy thing to do. It's extremely easy to do in Colorado. I've thought about it, but have decided that it wouldn't actually change anything, it would either bring a lot of bad attention on me when I reveal it, or I could become an unnoticed low level fraudster. Neither of those outcomes is desirable. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:01:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: I see our more principled members are still frothing at the mouth against Trump. Carry on So many principles. The frothing does stop temporarily when you point out that the news story they posted is clearly a lie and leftist MSM propaganda. Did you see how quick they dropped the leftist narrative of the day that "Trump admitted there's no fraud" because he said "lost by a whisker" ... And in the same exact interview he talks for 5 minutes about fraud.  They either aren't even trying, or are very bad at this. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:04:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Actual quotes from his lawyers concerning the lack of evidence for fraud specifically while under oath are MSM talking points? K. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The key difference between our mentality and view on this topic; is that my view assumes that government is both corrupt and incompetent. This was the view of the founding fathers and the underlying assumption behind our system of government. You, among others, with no proof or evidence, decide that you want to assume that the government, their workers and politicians involved are righteous, honest and competent. This despite a ton of indicators that they are not. Further, you want to afford the government, the same rights as individuals are supposed to receive against the government... The presumption of innocence. I don't recall reading any founding father arguing that government, accused by the people, should be presumed good or innocent or any of that. Rather it's the complete opposite. And despite this massive disagreement that permeates our entire society, it is the government and their lying propagandists who continue to deliberately oppose measures to prevent future occurrences. Why do you think that is? Because they are so honest? Or is voter ID racist? This is still just more strawman nonsense. Nobody is defending the virtue, integrity, or righteousness of government. It is simply that if you make a claim, the burden is on you to prove it. Trump claimed the election was stolen from him, yet he failed to prove it. Thanks for saving me the time so I don't have to respond to that nonsense. Oh look it's another N_T believing that recounts have anything to do with proving or disproving fraud. I'm so shocked to see them parroting easily disproven and illogical MSM propaganda again. Actual quotes from his lawyers concerning the lack of evidence for fraud specifically while under oath are MSM talking points? K. His lawyers said there was no fraud because of recounts? Or is this just another incoherent shift to the next CNN talking point? It is amazing how you principled right wing conservatives shift from one MSM bullshit narrative to the next with zero shame, when your previous point is clearly pointed out as nonsensical. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:06:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Look, another person using that “commie” word without knowing what it means. If you think Trump is conservative, you don’t know what that word means either. That’s ok though, Trump loves the uneducated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By esa17: If you’re a “conservative” anything and you’re not voting for Trump…Fuck you, you’re a commie. Look, another person using that “commie” word without knowing what it means. If you think Trump is conservative, you don’t know what that word means either. That’s ok though, Trump loves the uneducated. The leftist people in the media, who seemingly make all the same points and hold the same beliefs as you, claim Trump is a "Right wing extremist." Do you not also agree with them on this point? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:07:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: His lawyers said there was no fraud because of recounts? Or is this just another incoherent shift to the next CNN talking point? It is amazing how you principled right wing conservatives shift from one MSM bullshit narrative to the next with zero shame, when your previous point is clearly pointed out as nonsensical. No. Rudy Guilianni admitted he lied about voter fraud in Georgia. Sidney Powell said something along the lines of “no reasonable person should have believed her voter fraud claims.” Quite fascinating really… they tell you they were full of shit all along, and posters here will still believe and defend their lies. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:08:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: No. Rudy Guilianni admitted he lied about voter fraud in Georgia. Sidney Powell said something along the lines of “no reasonable person should have believed her voter fraud claims.” Quite fascinating really… they tell you they were full of shit all along, and posters here will still believe and defend their lies. He said he lied? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:09:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: He said he lied? Yes. I’ve posted the sworn affidavit with his signature on it several times. You’ve always ignored it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:09:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: nu3gawhat]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Yes. I’ve posted the sworn affidavit with his signature on it several times. You’ve always ignored it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By nu3gawhat: He said he lied? Yes. I’ve posted the sworn affidavit with his signature on it several times. You’ve always ignored it. Ok , do it again. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:11:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: Ok , do it again. Knock yourself out. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720.84.2.pdf |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:12:03 PM EST
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I dont see any text that says, " I lied"
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:14:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: I dont see any text that says, " I lied" Read the first sentence of the 3rd paragraph. If you still can’t understand it, it means “I lied”. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:15:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Knock yourself out. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720.84.2.pdf Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By nu3gawhat: Ok , do it again. Knock yourself out. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720.84.2.pdf I don’t think you read that correctly. Was he charged with perjury? Because you know he damn well would’ve been if he had in fact lied under oath as you are stating the courts proved as fact. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:19:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: His lawyers said there was no fraud because of recounts? Or is this just another incoherent shift to the next CNN talking point? It is amazing how you principled right wing conservatives shift from one MSM bullshit narrative to the next with zero shame, when your previous point is clearly pointed out as nonsensical. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The key difference between our mentality and view on this topic; is that my view assumes that government is both corrupt and incompetent. This was the view of the founding fathers and the underlying assumption behind our system of government. You, among others, with no proof or evidence, decide that you want to assume that the government, their workers and politicians involved are righteous, honest and competent. This despite a ton of indicators that they are not. Further, you want to afford the government, the same rights as individuals are supposed to receive against the government... The presumption of innocence. I don't recall reading any founding father arguing that government, accused by the people, should be presumed good or innocent or any of that. Rather it's the complete opposite. And despite this massive disagreement that permeates our entire society, it is the government and their lying propagandists who continue to deliberately oppose measures to prevent future occurrences. Why do you think that is? Because they are so honest? Or is voter ID racist? This is still just more strawman nonsense. Nobody is defending the virtue, integrity, or righteousness of government. It is simply that if you make a claim, the burden is on you to prove it. Trump claimed the election was stolen from him, yet he failed to prove it. Thanks for saving me the time so I don't have to respond to that nonsense. Oh look it's another N_T believing that recounts have anything to do with proving or disproving fraud. I'm so shocked to see them parroting easily disproven and illogical MSM propaganda again. Actual quotes from his lawyers concerning the lack of evidence for fraud specifically while under oath are MSM talking points? K. His lawyers said there was no fraud because of recounts? Or is this just another incoherent shift to the next CNN talking point? It is amazing how you principled right wing conservatives shift from one MSM bullshit narrative to the next with zero shame, when your previous point is clearly pointed out as nonsensical. You haven't pointed out anything. You wouldn't recognize sense of it smacked you in the face. My comment is directly related to the fraud claims, and I've posted the quotes in this very thread. In court, under oath, Trump's lawyers said there was no evidence of fraud. That's not MSM bullshit. Thats literally what happened. It's amazing to me how you "conservative" trump supporters shout down literally every fact you don't like as MSM propaganda without actually addressing the claims. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:19:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: nu3gawhat]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: I don’t think you read that correctly. Was he charged with perjury? Because you know he damn well would’ve been if he had in fact lied under oath as you are stating the courts proved as fact. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By nu3gawhat: Ok , do it again. Knock yourself out. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720.84.2.pdf I don’t think you read that correctly. Was he charged with perjury? Because you know he damn well would’ve been if he had in fact lied under oath as you are stating the courts proved as fact. Hes postulating that, if one acts in their own defense in a hostile jurisdiction. That the most disparaging interpretation should be used. Its swamp think. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:19:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Another big brain using "principled" as an insult.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:20:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: I don’t think you read that correctly. Was he charged with perjury? Because you know he damn well would’ve been if he had in fact lied under oath as you are stating the courts proved as fact. I never said he lied under oath. And that’s kinda the whole point. Once under oath in a courtroom, he told the truth to avoid the perjury charge. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:21:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Read the first sentence of the 3rd paragraph. If you still can't understand it, it means "I lied". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By nu3gawhat: I dont see any text that says, " I lied" Read the first sentence of the 3rd paragraph. If you still can't understand it, it means "I lied". It doesn't use the word "lie". Checkmate never trumper! |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:21:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I never said he lied under oath. And that’s kinda the whole point. Once under oath in a courtroom, he told the truth to avoid the perjury charge. Give him immunity if you want to know what he thinks. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:21:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: Hes postulating that, if one acts in their own defense in a hostile jurisdiction. That the most disparaging interpretation should be used. Its swamp think. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: Hes postulating that, if one acts in their own defense in a hostile jurisdiction. That the most disparaging interpretation should be used. Its swamp think. Originally Posted By Low_Country: Quite fascinating really… they tell you they were full of shit all along, and posters here will still believe and defend their lies. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:22:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: Give him immunity if you want to know what he thinks. This was a civil suit. And nobody gives a shit what Guilianni thinks. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:24:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: This was a civil suit. And nobody gives a shit what Guilianni thinks. Quite correct, they do not. Nor do they care about the truth. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:25:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: You haven't pointed out anything. You wouldn't recognize sense of it smacked you in the face. My comment is directly related to the fraud claims, and I've posted the quotes in this very thread. In court, under oath, Trump's lawyers said there was no evidence of fraud. That's not MSM bullshit. Thats literally what happened. It's amazing to me how you "conservative" trump supporters shout down literally every fact you don't like as MSM propaganda without actually addressing the claims. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The key difference between our mentality and view on this topic; is that my view assumes that government is both corrupt and incompetent. This was the view of the founding fathers and the underlying assumption behind our system of government. You, among others, with no proof or evidence, decide that you want to assume that the government, their workers and politicians involved are righteous, honest and competent. This despite a ton of indicators that they are not. Further, you want to afford the government, the same rights as individuals are supposed to receive against the government... The presumption of innocence. I don't recall reading any founding father arguing that government, accused by the people, should be presumed good or innocent or any of that. Rather it's the complete opposite. And despite this massive disagreement that permeates our entire society, it is the government and their lying propagandists who continue to deliberately oppose measures to prevent future occurrences. Why do you think that is? Because they are so honest? Or is voter ID racist? This is still just more strawman nonsense. Nobody is defending the virtue, integrity, or righteousness of government. It is simply that if you make a claim, the burden is on you to prove it. Trump claimed the election was stolen from him, yet he failed to prove it. Thanks for saving me the time so I don't have to respond to that nonsense. Oh look it's another N_T believing that recounts have anything to do with proving or disproving fraud. I'm so shocked to see them parroting easily disproven and illogical MSM propaganda again. Actual quotes from his lawyers concerning the lack of evidence for fraud specifically while under oath are MSM talking points? K. His lawyers said there was no fraud because of recounts? Or is this just another incoherent shift to the next CNN talking point? It is amazing how you principled right wing conservatives shift from one MSM bullshit narrative to the next with zero shame, when your previous point is clearly pointed out as nonsensical. You haven't pointed out anything. You wouldn't recognize sense of it smacked you in the face. My comment is directly related to the fraud claims, and I've posted the quotes in this very thread. In court, under oath, Trump's lawyers said there was no evidence of fraud. That's not MSM bullshit. Thats literally what happened. It's amazing to me how you "conservative" trump supporters shout down literally every fact you don't like as MSM propaganda without actually addressing the claims. You literally just parroted this exact CNN talking point: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/26/politics/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers Specifically this extract: “He is now making the remarkable concession: ‘Yes, I lied about them,’ which you almost never see – maybe never see – in a defamation case because usually that’s the whole ball game,” Honig said. “But what he’s trying to do here is limit his exposure. Except that’s not what the court filing Low_Country posted says. CNN lied, as they always do, and you people lap it up. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:26:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: No. Rudy Guilianni admitted he lied about voter fraud in Georgia. Sidney Powell said something along the lines of “no reasonable person should have believed her voter fraud claims.” Quite fascinating really… they tell you they were full of shit all along, and posters here will still believe and defend their lies. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: His lawyers said there was no fraud because of recounts? Or is this just another incoherent shift to the next CNN talking point? It is amazing how you principled right wing conservatives shift from one MSM bullshit narrative to the next with zero shame, when your previous point is clearly pointed out as nonsensical. No. Rudy Guilianni admitted he lied about voter fraud in Georgia. Sidney Powell said something along the lines of “no reasonable person should have believed her voter fraud claims.” Quite fascinating really… they tell you they were full of shit all along, and posters here will still believe and defend their lies. I'm just admiring how you guys shifted to the next 4 year old anti-Trump talking point, after I effectively shut down the bullshit lie that recounts somehow disprove fraud or are in anyway meaningful during a fraud discussion. So you guys started talking about lawyers or whatever. Cool. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:28:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: You haven't pointed out anything. You wouldn't recognize sense of it smacked you in the face. My comment is directly related to the fraud claims, and I've posted the quotes in this very thread. In court, under oath, Trump's lawyers said there was no evidence of fraud. That's not MSM bullshit. Thats literally what happened. It's amazing to me how you "conservative" trump supporters shout down literally every fact you don't like as MSM propaganda without actually addressing the claims. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The key difference between our mentality and view on this topic; is that my view assumes that government is both corrupt and incompetent. This was the view of the founding fathers and the underlying assumption behind our system of government. You, among others, with no proof or evidence, decide that you want to assume that the government, their workers and politicians involved are righteous, honest and competent. This despite a ton of indicators that they are not. Further, you want to afford the government, the same rights as individuals are supposed to receive against the government... The presumption of innocence. I don't recall reading any founding father arguing that government, accused by the people, should be presumed good or innocent or any of that. Rather it's the complete opposite. And despite this massive disagreement that permeates our entire society, it is the government and their lying propagandists who continue to deliberately oppose measures to prevent future occurrences. Why do you think that is? Because they are so honest? Or is voter ID racist? This is still just more strawman nonsense. Nobody is defending the virtue, integrity, or righteousness of government. It is simply that if you make a claim, the burden is on you to prove it. Trump claimed the election was stolen from him, yet he failed to prove it. Thanks for saving me the time so I don't have to respond to that nonsense. Oh look it's another N_T believing that recounts have anything to do with proving or disproving fraud. I'm so shocked to see them parroting easily disproven and illogical MSM propaganda again. Actual quotes from his lawyers concerning the lack of evidence for fraud specifically while under oath are MSM talking points? K. His lawyers said there was no fraud because of recounts? Or is this just another incoherent shift to the next CNN talking point? It is amazing how you principled right wing conservatives shift from one MSM bullshit narrative to the next with zero shame, when your previous point is clearly pointed out as nonsensical. You haven't pointed out anything. You wouldn't recognize sense of it smacked you in the face. My comment is directly related to the fraud claims, and I've posted the quotes in this very thread. In court, under oath, Trump's lawyers said there was no evidence of fraud. That's not MSM bullshit. Thats literally what happened. It's amazing to me how you "conservative" trump supporters shout down literally every fact you don't like as MSM propaganda without actually addressing the claims. Let's stick to the topic we were on. You were all using the CNN talking point that recounts somehow disprove fraud. Can you explain what you meant by that? Or is it just another obvious display of reposting leftist propaganda that is easily disproven? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:30:26 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: You literally just parroted this exact CNN talking point: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/26/politics/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers Specifically this extract: “He is now making the remarkable concession: ‘Yes, I lied about them,’ which you almost never see – maybe never see – in a defamation case because usually that’s the whole ball game,” Honig said. “But what he’s trying to do here is limit his exposure. Except that’s not what the court filing Low_Country posted says. CNN lied, as they always do, and you people lap it up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The key difference between our mentality and view on this topic; is that my view assumes that government is both corrupt and incompetent. This was the view of the founding fathers and the underlying assumption behind our system of government. You, among others, with no proof or evidence, decide that you want to assume that the government, their workers and politicians involved are righteous, honest and competent. This despite a ton of indicators that they are not. Further, you want to afford the government, the same rights as individuals are supposed to receive against the government... The presumption of innocence. I don't recall reading any founding father arguing that government, accused by the people, should be presumed good or innocent or any of that. Rather it's the complete opposite. And despite this massive disagreement that permeates our entire society, it is the government and their lying propagandists who continue to deliberately oppose measures to prevent future occurrences. Why do you think that is? Because they are so honest? Or is voter ID racist? This is still just more strawman nonsense. Nobody is defending the virtue, integrity, or righteousness of government. It is simply that if you make a claim, the burden is on you to prove it. Trump claimed the election was stolen from him, yet he failed to prove it. Thanks for saving me the time so I don't have to respond to that nonsense. Oh look it's another N_T believing that recounts have anything to do with proving or disproving fraud. I'm so shocked to see them parroting easily disproven and illogical MSM propaganda again. Actual quotes from his lawyers concerning the lack of evidence for fraud specifically while under oath are MSM talking points? K. His lawyers said there was no fraud because of recounts? Or is this just another incoherent shift to the next CNN talking point? It is amazing how you principled right wing conservatives shift from one MSM bullshit narrative to the next with zero shame, when your previous point is clearly pointed out as nonsensical. You haven't pointed out anything. You wouldn't recognize sense of it smacked you in the face. My comment is directly related to the fraud claims, and I've posted the quotes in this very thread. In court, under oath, Trump's lawyers said there was no evidence of fraud. That's not MSM bullshit. Thats literally what happened. It's amazing to me how you "conservative" trump supporters shout down literally every fact you don't like as MSM propaganda without actually addressing the claims. You literally just parroted this exact CNN talking point: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/26/politics/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers Specifically this extract: “He is now making the remarkable concession: ‘Yes, I lied about them,’ which you almost never see – maybe never see – in a defamation case because usually that’s the whole ball game,” Honig said. “But what he’s trying to do here is limit his exposure. Except that’s not what the court filing Low_Country posted says. CNN lied, as they always do, and you people lap it up. If true, that's the third example today, in this thread alone.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:33:12 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: You literally just parroted this exact CNN talking point: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/26/politics/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers Specifically this extract: “He is now making the remarkable concession: ‘Yes, I lied about them,’ which you almost never see – maybe never see – in a defamation case because usually that’s the whole ball game,” Honig said. “But what he’s trying to do here is limit his exposure. Except that’s not what the court filing Low_Country posted says. CNN lied, as they always do, and you people lap it up. lol holy shit the mental gymnastics. Giuliani said “I said some things, and those things were not statements of fact”. Of course he was trying to limit his exposure… by finally telling the truth. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:33:22 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: You literally just parroted this exact CNN talking point: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/26/politics/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers Specifically this extract: “He is now making the remarkable concession: ‘Yes, I lied about them,’ which you almost never see – maybe never see – in a defamation case because usually that’s the whole ball game,” Honig said. “But what he’s trying to do here is limit his exposure. Except that’s not what the court filing Low_Country posted says. CNN lied, as they always do, and you people lap it up. So you watch CNN? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:35:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: mgwantob]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liquid77: So you watch CNN? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liquid77: Originally Posted By mgwantob: You literally just parroted this exact CNN talking point: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/26/politics/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers Specifically this extract: “He is now making the remarkable concession: ‘Yes, I lied about them,’ which you almost never see – maybe never see – in a defamation case because usually that’s the whole ball game,” Honig said. “But what he’s trying to do here is limit his exposure. Except that’s not what the court filing Low_Country posted says. CNN lied, as they always do, and you people lap it up. So you watch CNN? Hell no ETA: you can copy and paste the main arguments these N_T members make into Google and it will bring up the CNN article they got it from. Works every time. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:39:23 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liquid77: So you watch CNN? A few of them are also confused by long sentences and big words too, apparently. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:46:42 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I agree. Corrupt and incompetent. You just haven’t accepted that describes Trump as much as anybody else. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: I say it's not. Like the founding fathers, I believe the government is corrupt and incompetent unless they prove otherwise. That's why we are supposed to have a press (which we don't anymore) and an open society where credible accusations of political fraud are investigated. None of that happened. People advocating that the government should get presumption of innocence are going 180 degrees from having a free and open society. But this attitude is common now, it's the same philosophy that all the lemmings used to justify experts like Fauci foisting nonsense and random tyranny on the nation. I agree. Corrupt and incompetent. You just haven’t accepted that describes Trump as much as anybody else. What's your alternative at this point? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:47:32 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: What's your alternative at this point? Nothing. I’ve going to vote for Trump. Doesn’t mean I’m under any illusions about who he is or what he tried to do. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:48:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: mancow]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Nothing. I’ve going to vote for Trump. Doesn’t mean I’m under any illusions about who he is or what he tried to do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By mancow: What's your alternative at this point? Nothing. I’ve going to vote for Trump. Doesn’t mean I’m under any illusions about who he is or what he tried to do. Fair enough, carry on. I respect your honesty. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:57:21 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Nothing. I’ve going to vote for Trump. Doesn’t mean I’m under any illusions about who he is or what he tried to do. Only a commie would vote for Trump and then say mean things about him. 
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:58:23 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Hell no ETA: you can copy and paste the main arguments these N_T members make into Google and it will bring up the CNN article they got it from. Works every time. So NTs don't have any facts they just parrot CNN? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:00:32 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: I dont see any text that says, " I lied" ROFL. And I thought "he didn't say that" only applied to Trump's words, guess not. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:01:02 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: You literally just parroted this exact CNN talking point: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/26/politics/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers Specifically this extract: "He is now making the remarkable concession: 'Yes, I lied about them,' which you almost never see maybe never see in a defamation case because usually that's the whole ball game," Honig said. "But what he's trying to do here is limit his exposure. Except that's not what the court filing Low_Country posted says. CNN lied, as they always do, and you people lap it up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The key difference between our mentality and view on this topic; is that my view assumes that government is both corrupt and incompetent. This was the view of the founding fathers and the underlying assumption behind our system of government. You, among others, with no proof or evidence, decide that you want to assume that the government, their workers and politicians involved are righteous, honest and competent. This despite a ton of indicators that they are not. Further, you want to afford the government, the same rights as individuals are supposed to receive against the government... The presumption of innocence. I don't recall reading any founding father arguing that government, accused by the people, should be presumed good or innocent or any of that. Rather it's the complete opposite. And despite this massive disagreement that permeates our entire society, it is the government and their lying propagandists who continue to deliberately oppose measures to prevent future occurrences. Why do you think that is? Because they are so honest? Or is voter ID racist? This is still just more strawman nonsense. Nobody is defending the virtue, integrity, or righteousness of government. It is simply that if you make a claim, the burden is on you to prove it. Trump claimed the election was stolen from him, yet he failed to prove it. Thanks for saving me the time so I don't have to respond to that nonsense. Oh look it's another N_T believing that recounts have anything to do with proving or disproving fraud. I'm so shocked to see them parroting easily disproven and illogical MSM propaganda again. Actual quotes from his lawyers concerning the lack of evidence for fraud specifically while under oath are MSM talking points? K. His lawyers said there was no fraud because of recounts? Or is this just another incoherent shift to the next CNN talking point? It is amazing how you principled right wing conservatives shift from one MSM bullshit narrative to the next with zero shame, when your previous point is clearly pointed out as nonsensical. You haven't pointed out anything. You wouldn't recognize sense of it smacked you in the face. My comment is directly related to the fraud claims, and I've posted the quotes in this very thread. In court, under oath, Trump's lawyers said there was no evidence of fraud. That's not MSM bullshit. Thats literally what happened. It's amazing to me how you "conservative" trump supporters shout down literally every fact you don't like as MSM propaganda without actually addressing the claims. You literally just parroted this exact CNN talking point: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/26/politics/rudy-giuliani-georgia-election-workers Specifically this extract: "He is now making the remarkable concession: 'Yes, I lied about them,' which you almost never see maybe never see in a defamation case because usually that's the whole ball game," Honig said. "But what he's trying to do here is limit his exposure. Except that's not what the court filing Low_Country posted says. CNN lied, as they always do, and you people lap it up. Lmao. First off, yes that's what it says. I realize there's lots of big words and it gets confusing. Second, he's one of many. Other were quotes quite literally saying there was no evidence of fraud. You dismiss it by saying it's a CNN talking point because you can't bear the truth. |
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