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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:13:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: The leftist people in the media, who seemingly make all the same points and hold the same beliefs as you, claim Trump is a "Right wing extremist." Do you not also agree with them on this point? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By esa17: If you’re a “conservative” anything and you’re not voting for Trump…Fuck you, you’re a commie. Look, another person using that “commie” word without knowing what it means. If you think Trump is conservative, you don’t know what that word means either. That’s ok though, Trump loves the uneducated. The leftist people in the media, who seemingly make all the same points and hold the same beliefs as you, claim Trump is a "Right wing extremist." Do you not also agree with them on this point? No I don’t. Trump is a moderate democrat representing the GOP. He’s Bill Clinton v2.0. Doesn’t change the fact that trump cultists accuse people of being “communist” when they have no clue what that word means. If they’re really dumb they say Trump is “conservative”, which is utterly ‘tarded. It’s part of the trumpist fantasy world. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:16:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesleyHardin: Dude, this has been a n_t thread since the first page. You’re wasting your time trying to explain it to them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesleyHardin: Originally Posted By mgwantob: Was COVID not the justification for mass mail in voting in all the swing states? If not, then what was? Dude, this has been a n_t thread since the first page. You’re wasting your time trying to explain it to them. This thread was created as a trump cultist troll thread. Own that. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:18:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesleyHardin: Dude, this has been a n_t thread since the first page. You’re wasting your time trying to explain it to them. And the nuance of language sails 30 thousand feet over your head. Time and time again. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:28:57 AM EDT
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So if a poll watcher witnesses voter fraud, for example a poll worker running one ballot multiple times through a machine.
Then said poll watcher signs a sworn statement adout what they have seen. Yet no court will even hear the case because there is no "proof". If the machine was later examined it would show x number of biden votes. The ballots have already been destroyed. Even if the ballots were saved there is no way to prove they were legit ballots from an actual living league voter because they were removed from and separated from their signed envelopes. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:32:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: So if a poll watcher witnesses voter fraud, for example a poll worker running one ballot multiple times through a machine. Then said poll watcher signs a sworn statement adout what they have seen. Yet no court will even hear the case because there is no "proof". If the machine was later examined it would show x number of biden votes. The ballots have already been destroyed. Even if the ballots were saved there is no way to prove they were legit ballots from an actual living league voter because they were removed from and separated from their signed envelopes. People can sign sworn affidavits that they saw anything. That’s why there are rules of evidence. So much so, it’s even an entire semester of first year law school. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:48:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: No. It's what common sense and rudimentary logic told me. The outbreak started in Wuhan. If it was designed to influence our elections, why not just release it here? Or why not release a virus with a little more ooomph than a bad cold? When the virus was first discovered in China they restricted travel in China but allowed Chinese people to fly to America. The oomph of the virus is like you describe but the MSM and the talking heads and the "SMEs" like Fauci said it was much worse even counting any death from any reason as a covid death if the person also tested positive for covid. Therefore inflating the numbers and the fear factor amongst the sheeple. Then forcing the "vaccine" from big pharma on everybody at the risk of many losing their jobs. Follow the money big pharma made to find out who is responsible. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:54:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: A virus travels around the world with people. When the virus was first discovered in China they restricted travel in China but allowed Chinese people to fly to America. The oomph of the virus is like you describe but the MSM and the talking heads and the "SMEs" like Fauci said it was much worse even counting any death from any reason as a covid death if the person also tested positive for covid. Therefore inflating the numbers and the fear factor amongst the sheeple. Then forcing the "vaccine" from big pharma on everybody at the risk of many losing their jobs. Follow the money big pharma made to find out who is responsible. Ok. I don’t disagree with any of that. None of which, however, lends itself towards an intentional thing to remove Trump from office. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:57:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Ok. I don’t disagree with any of that. None of which, however, lends itself towards an intentional thing to remove Trump from office. If anything Trump was shilling for Big Pharma with Warp Speed. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:32:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: People can sign sworn affidavits that they saw anything. That's why there are rules of evidence. So much so, it's even an entire semester of first year law school. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:33:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Yet eye witness accounts are frequently admitted into evidence in trials. And then they crumble under cross examination. 
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:40:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: And then they crumble under cross examination. Many of the voter fraud cases were not even heard for "lack of standing" or whatever. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:45:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Maybe but only if they are first heard by the court. Many of the voter fraud cases were not even heard for "lack of standing" or whatever. Because when a judge looks at the “evidence”, and determines it is nonsense, cases get tossed. I don’t know why you guys can’t put 2+2 together. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:52:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Ok. I don’t disagree with any of that. None of which, however, lends itself towards an intentional thing to remove Trump from office. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By MADMAXXX: A virus travels around the world with people. When the virus was first discovered in China they restricted travel in China but allowed Chinese people to fly to America. The oomph of the virus is like you describe but the MSM and the talking heads and the "SMEs" like Fauci said it was much worse even counting any death from any reason as a covid death if the person also tested positive for covid. Therefore inflating the numbers and the fear factor amongst the sheeple. Then forcing the "vaccine" from big pharma on everybody at the risk of many losing their jobs. Follow the money big pharma made to find out who is responsible. Ok. I don’t disagree with any of that. None of which, however, lends itself towards an intentional thing to remove Trump from office. The simpler answer is that it wasn't a mass evil conspiracy. Incompetent and evil Chinese Communists gave the world a virus. Incompetent and evil American Communists seized that opportunity to implement their agenda of tyranny: undermine Trump, COVID policies including the further reduction of election security. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:58:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: The simpler answer is that it wasn't a mass evil conspiracy. Incompetent and evil Chinese Communists gave the world a virus. Incompetent and evil American Communists seized that opportunity to implement their agenda of tyranny: undermine Trump, COVID policies including the further reduction of election security. Sometimes I read a post of yours and start to think, holy cow this guy is reasonable. And then you step on your toes. If you can acknowledge Trump’s complicity in the socialist bullshit that was our Covid response, you’ll have a post I agree with. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:59:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Because when a judge looks at the "evidence", and determines it is nonsense, cases get tossed. I don't know why you guys can't put 2+2 together. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 2:00:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Especially when it is a Soros owned judge. Sure. And then the few dozen Trump appointed judges who also dismissed claims? Ruled no standing? |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 2:19:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Sometimes I read a post of yours and start to think, holy cow this guy is reasonable. And then you step on your toes. If you can acknowledge Trump’s complicity in the socialist bullshit that was our Covid response, you’ll have a post I agree with. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The simpler answer is that it wasn't a mass evil conspiracy. Incompetent and evil Chinese Communists gave the world a virus. Incompetent and evil American Communists seized that opportunity to implement their agenda of tyranny: undermine Trump, COVID policies including the further reduction of election security. Sometimes I read a post of yours and start to think, holy cow this guy is reasonable. And then you step on your toes. If you can acknowledge Trump’s complicity in the socialist bullshit that was our Covid response, you’ll have a post I agree with. Trump's covid response was a disaster. I can't think of any redeeming factor. The shutdowns, the vaccines, the handouts, masking... all just terrible policy. It is true that Joe Biden's handlers expounded upon those ideas, and well after it was time to end them, but that was to be expected from those assholes. 2020 was a disaster for the US. Well it's pretty much been an accelerating disaster since then. It seems Trump may have learned his lesson regarding spending? I sure hope so. The campaign messaging this week was positive on that topic. It's the first I've heard any major campaigning on cutting spending in a long time. Let's hope that they and Congress get serious about it soon. One thing is for certain, the Democrats will certainly continue to push new forms of socialism like college loan bailouts. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 2:23:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Trump's covid response was a disaster. I can't think of any redeeming factor. The shutdowns, the vaccines, the handouts, masking... all just terrible policy. It is true that Joe Biden's handlers expounded upon those ideas, and well after it was time to end them, but that was to be expected from those assholes. 2020 was a disaster for the US. Well it's pretty much been an accelerating disaster since then. It seems Trump may have learned his lesson regarding spending? I sure hope so. The campaign messaging this week was positive on that topic. It's the first I've heard any major campaigning on cutting spending in a long time. Let's hope that they and Congress get serious about it soon. One thing is for certain, the Democrats will certainly continue to push new forms of socialism like college loan bailouts. Ok. A post of yours I agree with. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing. We see the same problems, and want the same thing for the future. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 3:45:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Sure. And then the few dozen Trump appointed judges who also dismissed claims? Ruled no standing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By MADMAXXX: Especially when it is a Soros owned judge. Sure. And then the few dozen Trump appointed judges who also dismissed claims? Ruled no standing? That they have over 50 former intelligence agents sign a statement that the hunter laptop was Russian disinformation. That they raid Trumps house for documents that he was legally allowed to possess. That he is charged in NYC for felonies on BS charges. And much more "lawfare". Who is to say that they don't show any judge a picture of the judges child or grandchild at school or anywhere implying that they can do what they want to said child if the judge doesn't play ball. I put nothing past the deep state. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 4:47:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Who is to say that they don't show any judge a picture of the judges child or grandchild at school or anywhere implying that they can do what they want to said child if the judge doesn't play ball. I put nothing past the deep state.  |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 6:32:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Nothing I said is untrue. COVID was released in order to enable and justify mail in voting for the 2020 election. That’s all it is in a nutshell. If you can’t see that then you are a fool. So let’s just say hypothetically I mailed in my vote for Trump in 2020 due to Trumps own encouraged state level covid lockdowns. My Trump vote is fraudulent and shouldn’t count? Do you think only the Biden mail in ballots are fraudulent? Look man. I know what you are saying. I am on your side when it comes to voting in America. It’s shit, too many ways for it to be scammed. Mail in voting is shit because it cannot be verified. I believe hundreds of thousand of mail in votes are fraudulent. It could be in the millions… but I have no way to prove it and neither do you. Trump couldn’t either. The Kraken, Rudy and the rest were bluffing. They had no solid evidence that could be provided before the court. Again they were bluffing. When they were called, they folded. End of hand. They lose. It’s really that simple. Donald Trump and his lawyers lied to you. He could not provide evidence of voter fraud to the appropriate courts of law. He stole millions of dollars from people who gave money believing Trump was going to “stop the steal.” He was lying. He paid himself back for his campaign loss in 2020. That money is gone. Those people will see no return, win or lose in November. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:17:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Was COVID not the justification for mass mail in voting in all the swing states? If not, then what was? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By mgwantob: Nothing I said is untrue. COVID was released in order to enable and justify mail in voting for the 2020 election. That’s all it is in a nutshell. If you can’t see that then you are a fool. lol Was COVID not the justification for mass mail in voting in all the swing states? If not, then what was? PA’s law, in part allowing mail in ballots without requiring cause, was signed in Oct 2019. I guess we knew about Covid in the spring of 2019 when the bill was introduced. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:29:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: When they hate Trump so much: That they have over 50 former intelligence agents sign a statement that the hunter laptop was Russian disinformation. That they raid Trumps house for documents that he was legally allowed to possess. That he is charged in NYC for felonies on BS charges. And much more "lawfare". Who is to say that they don't show any judge a picture of the judges child or grandchild at school or anywhere implying that they can do what they want to said child if the judge doesn't play ball. I put nothing past the deep state. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By MADMAXXX: Especially when it is a Soros owned judge. Sure. And then the few dozen Trump appointed judges who also dismissed claims? Ruled no standing? That they have over 50 former intelligence agents sign a statement that the hunter laptop was Russian disinformation. That they raid Trumps house for documents that he was legally allowed to possess. That he is charged in NYC for felonies on BS charges. And much more "lawfare". Who is to say that they don't show any judge a picture of the judges child or grandchild at school or anywhere implying that they can do what they want to said child if the judge doesn't play ball. I put nothing past the deep state. “I imagine it, therefore it is.” Who is to say that Trump isn’t a deep state plant sent to divide America so that we’re too busy yelling at each other to yell at Deep State, and the endgame is for Trump to sign the Deep State Protection Act of 2026? Who is to say you aren’t a deep state operative sent to make opponents of deep state look paranoid and irrational? I put nothing past the deep state. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:35:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MADMAXXX]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: "I imagine it, therefore it is." Who is to say that Trump isn't a deep state plant sent to divide America so that we're too busy yelling at each other to yell at Deep State, and the endgame is for Trump to sign the Deep State Protection Act of 2026? Who is to say you aren't a deep state operative sent to make opponents of deep state look paranoid and irrational? I put nothing past the deep state. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: Originally Posted By MADMAXXX: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By MADMAXXX: Especially when it is a Soros owned judge. Sure. And then the few dozen Trump appointed judges who also dismissed claims? Ruled no standing? That they have over 50 former intelligence agents sign a statement that the hunter laptop was Russian disinformation. That they raid Trumps house for documents that he was legally allowed to possess. That he is charged in NYC for felonies on BS charges. And much more "lawfare". Who is to say that they don't show any judge a picture of the judges child or grandchild at school or anywhere implying that they can do what they want to said child if the judge doesn't play ball. I put nothing past the deep state. "I imagine it, therefore it is." Who is to say that Trump isn't a deep state plant sent to divide America so that we're too busy yelling at each other to yell at Deep State, and the endgame is for Trump to sign the Deep State Protection Act of 2026? Who is to say you aren't a deep state operative sent to make opponents of deep state look paranoid and irrational? I put nothing past the deep state. It was not "imagined" it was fact. If they resort to those actions what is the limit to their future criminal actions? |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:42:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Actually we all witnessed the 3 things I posted. It was not "imagined" it was fact. If they resort to those actions what is the limit to their future criminal actions? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Originally Posted By macros73: Originally Posted By MADMAXXX: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By MADMAXXX: Especially when it is a Soros owned judge. Sure. And then the few dozen Trump appointed judges who also dismissed claims? Ruled no standing? That they have over 50 former intelligence agents sign a statement that the hunter laptop was Russian disinformation. That they raid Trumps house for documents that he was legally allowed to possess. That he is charged in NYC for felonies on BS charges. And much more "lawfare". Who is to say that they don't show any judge a picture of the judges child or grandchild at school or anywhere implying that they can do what they want to said child if the judge doesn't play ball. I put nothing past the deep state. "I imagine it, therefore it is." Who is to say that Trump isn't a deep state plant sent to divide America so that we're too busy yelling at each other to yell at Deep State, and the endgame is for Trump to sign the Deep State Protection Act of 2026? Who is to say you aren't a deep state operative sent to make opponents of deep state look paranoid and irrational? I put nothing past the deep state. It was not "imagined" it was fact. If they resort to those actions what is the limit to their future criminal actions? Your assertions concerning their legitimacy and purpose are fringe right projections. “A car crashed on a Tuesday…” ok, rational so far and objectively true. “…because deep state assault faeries obscured the driver’s vision.” |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:56:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: Your assertions concerning their legitimacy and purpose are fringe right projections. "A car crashed on a Tuesday " ok, rational so far and objectively true. " because deep state assault faeries obscured the driver's vision." Interesting  For one example: Why was Trumped harassed and his home raided when he had documents that were within his legal right to possess. Why was biden not charged when he had documents that he had no legal right to possess? |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:19:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: PA’s law, in part allowing mail in ballots without requiring cause, was signed in Oct 2019. I guess we knew about Covid in the spring of 2019 when the bill was introduced. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: Originally Posted By mgwantob: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By mgwantob: Nothing I said is untrue. COVID was released in order to enable and justify mail in voting for the 2020 election. That’s all it is in a nutshell. If you can’t see that then you are a fool. lol Was COVID not the justification for mass mail in voting in all the swing states? If not, then what was? PA’s law, in part allowing mail in ballots without requiring cause, was signed in Oct 2019. I guess we knew about Covid in the spring of 2019 when the bill was introduced. We or they? Covid 19 was in the wild far before we were told about it. But the bill may not be related. However the decisions after covid was public knowledge, definitely changed how things were ran too. One thing I noticed while trying to pull up stories from that time is, how much big tech has memory holed what happened. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:23:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: So you deny that there exists a coordinated "lawfare" attack on Trump. Interesting For one example: Why was Trumped harassed and his home raided when he had documents that were within his legal right to possess. Why was biden not charged when he had documents that he had no legal right to possess? Because he’s a fucking idiot. That’s why. He claimed he was going to destroy the united state government. The government doesn’t like when people do that. They found things to fuck with him about because he was reckless and an idiot. Some was fake. Some was not. Some has stuck, some has not. He has been convicted once. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:27:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: We or they? Covid 19 was in the wild far before we were told about it. But the bill may not be related. However the decisions after covid was public knowledge, definitely changed how things were ran too. One thing I noticed while trying to pull up stories from that time is, how much big tech has memory holed what happened. You going to deny your boy Trump was at the top of the Covid spear? You know he’s responsible for it all right? He was the big boss man. He failed. Fucked himself as usual. He’s a moron. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:28:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: You going to deny your boy Trump was at the top of the Covid spear? You know he’s responsible for it all right? He was the big boss man. He failed. Fucked himself as usual. He’s a moron. He's responsible for it all? Now that is obviously a disingenuous statement. Why do you lie like the left? |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:31:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: He's responsible for it all? Now that is obviously a disingenuous statement. Why do you lie like the left? He was the president. Every policy he encouraged was ran with by the democrats and used to fuck us all. Donald Trump stood behind Fauci and make funny faces. He failed. That is not a lie. We all watched it happen. Google Trump covid press conference. Boom. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:39:17 AM EDT
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Can someone explain how it's better to not vote Trump if that increases the odds of another marxist and puppet president, kamala, reaching the Whitehouse?
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:45:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: nu3gawhat]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: He was the president. Every policy he encouraged was ran with by the democrats and used to fuck us all. Donald Trump stood behind Fauci and make funny faces. He failed. That is not a lie. We all watched it happen. Google Trump covid press conference. Boom. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Originally Posted By nu3gawhat: He's responsible for it all? Now that is obviously a disingenuous statement. Why do you lie like the left? He was the president. Every policy he encouraged was ran with by the democrats and used to fuck us all. Donald Trump stood behind Fauci and make funny faces. He failed. That is not a lie. We all watched it happen. Google Trump covid press conference. Boom. Trump listened to the experts and took some precautions. Seeing as how he wasn't the expert and I think we can conclude, some of them had ulterior motives. But it was not his government locking down everything, most of the strict polices. It was governors, institutions, etc. But how did Covid19 get created? How did it get into the wild? Why was the gain of function research our government was funding in Wuhan, being covered up? We don't know if covid19 was created to be or intentionally released. But at the minimum, once it was out, it was weaponized, against Trump and the American people, etc. Without covid19 election changes, Trump would definitely have won 2020. That's a pretty big incentive. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:46:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: eurotrash]
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Originally Posted By macros73: We may have different definitions of what MTGA propaganda is. Some people change their minds on topics as new facts and evidence are discovered. Others bury their head in the sand and keep believing what they want to believe. It’s unfortunate the lab theory became heavily politicized. “One IC element assesses with moderate confidence that the first human infection with SARS-CoV-2 most likely was the result of a laboratory-associated incident, probably involving experimentation, animal handling, or sampling by the Wuhan Institute of Virology. These analysts give weight to the inherently risky nature of work on coronaviruses.” https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Unclassified-Summary-of-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/16/politics/biden-intel-review-covid-origins/index.html I appreciate the sources. I read through the declassified article and it seems the 2 origins are both still plausible. Originally Posted By Low_Country: In the real world, adults can absorb new information and potentially change their mind about things. If you are honest with yourself, and with others, new evidence or new information should be able influence you to change preconceived notions. And, admit you were initially mistaken. It’s why lots of people still pushing 2020 Trump nonsense don’t get taken seriously. You stated “Covid release was due to the incompetence and substandard preventive protocols at the wuhan lab. Full stop.” Personally, I don’t have any strong opinions about where the virus originated. Can you help me develop one based on facts and evidence? I’m asking because “full stop” implies the evidence is so strong that it’s not up for debate. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:08:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lurk-king: Can someone explain how it's better to not vote Trump if that increases the odds of another marxist and puppet president, kamala, reaching the Whitehouse? I can't speak for anyone else. For me it's about not abandoning my core values. Trump would be better than Harris by at least a little bit. But my principals won't allow me to vote for him. I also can't vote for her for the same reasons. So that leaves me: 1. Violating my principals and voting for Trump or Harris 2. Not voting at all 3. Voting 3rd party What I am doing is not voting for president but showing up to vote down ballot. Damn the Republicans for nominating the one person I could not vote for. The Constitution and respect for it is paramount in my decision making when it comes to voting. Neither candidate does and so I cannot vote for either one. Where I am doesn't matter, I would do the same if I lived in a battleground state. As it is, Trump will get at least some of the electors in my state (one of the states that split them). |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:14:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wolfhound76: I can't speak for anyone else. For me it's about not abandoning my core values. Trump would be better than Harris by at least a little bit. But my principals won't allow me to vote for him. I also can't vote for her for the same reasons. So that leaves me: 1. Violating my principals and voting for Trump or Harris 2. Not voting at all 3. Voting 3rd party What I am doing is not voting for president but showing up to vote down ballot. Damn the Republicans for nominating the one person I could not vote for. The Constitution and respect for it is paramount in my decision making when it comes to voting. Neither candidate does and so I cannot vote for either one. Where I am doesn't matter, I would do the same if I lived in a battleground state. As it is, Trump will get at least some of the electors in my state (one of the states that split them). This will have more effect than the Presidential vote anyways. I am voting for Trump but begrudgingly and only based on SCOTUS implications. I don’t blame anyone for voting for neither candidate, as both are bags of shit. Blame the culttards who “want revenge,” actually think “he’s an outsider,” and will “drain the swamp this time.” |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:51:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: Trump listened to the experts and took some precautions. Seeing as how he wasn't the expert and I think we can conclude, some of them had ulterior motives. But it was not his government locking down everything, most of the strict polices. It was governors, institutions, etc. But how did Covid19 get created? How did it get into the wild? Why was the gain of function research our government was funding in Wuhan, being covered up? We don't know if covid19 was created to be or intentionally released. But at the minimum, once it was out, it was weaponized, against Trump and the American people, etc. Without covid19 election changes, Trump would definitely have won 2020. That's a pretty big incentive. I have no idea how Covid was created. I have read many different things on the internet. I belief it was scientist who created it. It got out. But Trump was the president. He made terrible decisions trusting anyone. You guys pretend he knows everything, but he get a pass on covid, the 2nd amendment, abortion and many other huge red flags for me. He was a bad president. You may not think so and that’s okay too. But a conservative he is not. He’s not even close. He’s left of Bill Clinton. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:00:43 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Trump's covid response was a disaster. I can't think of any redeeming factor. The shutdowns, the vaccines, the handouts, masking... all just terrible policy. It is true that Joe Biden's handlers expounded upon those ideas, and well after it was time to end them, but that was to be expected from those assholes. 2020 was a disaster for the US. Well it's pretty much been an accelerating disaster since then. It seems Trump may have learned his lesson regarding spending? I sure hope so. The campaign messaging this week was positive on that topic. It's the first I've heard any major campaigning on cutting spending in a long time. Let's hope that they and Congress get serious about it soon. One thing is for certain, the Democrats will certainly continue to push new forms of socialism like college loan bailouts. I agree with this and why I was opposed to Trump in the primary. The real assholes were taking advantage of the situation but sabotaging Trump and putting him in an almost impossible situation, however he badly fumbled it. If re-elected I’m concerned the establishment is going to try to pull this again as it worked the last time. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:07:32 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: I agree with this and why I was opposed to Trump in the primary. The real assholes were taking advantage of the situation but sabotaging Trump and putting him in an almost impossible situation, however he badly fumbled it. If re-elected I’m concerned the establishment is going to try to pull this again as it worked the last time. This guy words better than me. He gets it. They are just going to shove harder left. Go back to 2016 and see how shitty things have become. I’m not blaming Trump. I’m blaming the govt as a whole. They don’t want a people’s representative government. They just want you all to stfu and take what they decide is best. They will crucify anyone who rocks the boat. It’s too big for one person. It takes the people to stop a tyrannical government. Not more government. Even if that government is orange |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:21:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: macros73]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: So you deny that there exists a coordinated "lawfare" attack on Trump. Interesting For one example: Why was Trumped harassed and his home raided when he had documents that were within his legal right to possess. Why was biden not charged when he had documents that he had no legal right to possess? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Originally Posted By macros73: Your assertions concerning their legitimacy and purpose are fringe right projections. "A car crashed on a Tuesday " ok, rational so far and objectively true. " because deep state assault faeries obscured the driver's vision." Interesting For one example: Why was Trumped harassed and his home raided when he had documents that were within his legal right to possess. Why was biden not charged when he had documents that he had no legal right to possess? If only there was some way to learn such things: Hur’s report says the differences between the two cases are “clear.” Unlike Biden — who cooperated with investigators, agreed to searches of his homes and sat for a voluntary interview — the allegations in Trump’s case present “serious aggravating facts,” Hur wrote. “Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite,” the report said. (emphasis added) For instance, prosecutors say, after the Justice Department issued a subpoena for the records in May 2022, Trump asked his own lawyers if he could defy the request and said words to the effect of, “I don’t want anybody looking through my boxes.” “Wouldn’t it be better if we just told them we don’t have anything here?” one of his lawyers described him as saying, according to the indictment. Prosecutors allege that during the July 2021 meeting at Bedminster, Trump also waved around the classified attack plan to his guests. “This is secret information,” he said, according to a recording prosecutors have cited, claiming that, “as president I could have declassified it” but hadn’t. https://apnews.com/article/classified-documents-biden-trump-special-counsel-b5589ea8f066ede51c8138665f108f7a |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:43:48 AM EDT
[#41]
1. He's not a conservative.
2. He's not a Christian 3. He's not a 2A supporter 4. He's not fiscally responsible. And has no idea how the economy works. He got the courts moving in the right direction and.... Almost everyone that worked for him previously has said he's a retard. There's only so many times you can cry RINO because other conservatives say he's a turd. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:07:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: nu3gawhat]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: If only there was some way to learn such things: Hur’s report says the differences between the two cases are “clear.” Unlike Biden — who cooperated with investigators, agreed to searches of his homes and sat for a voluntary interview — the allegations in Trump’s case present “serious aggravating facts,” Hur wrote. “Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite,” the report said. (emphasis added) For instance, prosecutors say, after the Justice Department issued a subpoena for the records in May 2022, Trump asked his own lawyers if he could defy the request and said words to the effect of, “I don’t want anybody looking through my boxes.” “Wouldn’t it be better if we just told them we don’t have anything here?” one of his lawyers described him as saying, according to the indictment. Prosecutors allege that during the July 2021 meeting at Bedminster, Trump also waved around the classified attack plan to his guests. “This is secret information,” he said, according to a recording prosecutors have cited, claiming that, “as president I could have declassified it” but hadn’t. https://apnews.com/article/classified-documents-biden-trump-special-counsel-b5589ea8f066ede51c8138665f108f7a Thats a garbage narrative. Bidens documents, were stolen out of scifs. Documents he didnt have the authority to take or declassify. Unsecured in multiple property locations, not all even owned by the Bidens. Plus he was concurrently taking bribes from foreigners. And laundering the money. And Hur stated, the reason Biden wouldnt be charged, was hes mentally incompetent. Its also clear DOJ had him on a short leash. Trump had documents that, government employees boxed up, stored, and sent to him. Documents he had the authority to both take and declassify. Along with the Presidential Records Act. It was clearly weaponized gov against him. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:46:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GutWrench]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: Thats a garbage narrative. Bidens documents, were stolen out of scifs. Documents he didnt have the authority to take or declassify. Unsecured in multiple property locations, not all even owned by the Bidens. Plus he was concurrently taking bribes from foreigners. And laundering the money. And Hur stated, the reason Biden wouldnt be charged, was hes mentally incompetent. Its also clear DOJ had him on a short leash. Trump had documents that, government employees boxed up, stored, and sent to him. Documents he had the authority to both take and declassify. Along with the Presidential Records Act. It was clearly weaponized gov against him. Imagine if Q was real and Donald Trump was a patriot in real life. The lizard people wouldn’t have been able to pull this shit off… |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:02:17 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lurk-king: Can someone explain how it's better to not vote Trump if that increases the odds of another marxist and puppet president, kamala, reaching the Whitehouse? It is obvious. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:29:44 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Imagine if Q was real and Donald Trump was a patriot in real life. The lizard people wouldn’t have been able to pull this shit off… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Originally Posted By nu3gawhat: Thats a garbage narrative. Bidens documents, were stolen out of scifs. Documents he didnt have the authority to take or declassify. Unsecured in multiple property locations, not all even owned by the Bidens. Plus he was concurrently taking bribes from foreigners. And laundering the money. And Hur stated, the reason Biden wouldnt be charged, was hes mentally incompetent. Its also clear DOJ had him on a short leash. Trump had documents that, government employees boxed up, stored, and sent to him. Documents he had the authority to both take and declassify. Along with the Presidential Records Act. It was clearly weaponized gov against him. Imagine if Q was real and Donald Trump was a patriot in real life. The lizard people wouldn’t have been able to pull this shit off…  Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:31:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Imagine if Q was real and Donald Trump was a patriot in real life. The lizard people wouldn’t have been able to pull this shit off… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Originally Posted By nu3gawhat: Thats a garbage narrative. Bidens documents, were stolen out of scifs. Documents he didnt have the authority to take or declassify. Unsecured in multiple property locations, not all even owned by the Bidens. Plus he was concurrently taking bribes from foreigners. And laundering the money. And Hur stated, the reason Biden wouldnt be charged, was hes mentally incompetent. Its also clear DOJ had him on a short leash. Trump had documents that, government employees boxed up, stored, and sent to him. Documents he had the authority to both take and declassify. Along with the Presidential Records Act. It was clearly weaponized gov against him. Imagine if Q was real and Donald Trump was a patriot in real life. The lizard people wouldn’t have been able to pull this shit off… That would make a great prompt for an AI pic.
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:32:16 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: They can not because they want another Marxist president. It is obvious. You guys don’t even know what a conservative is much less a Marxist. It’s labels you guys have assigned to people who do not 100% worship Trump. Only because y’all have read it in comments of a Tim Poole chick bait video or on some Twitter post by Laura Loomer. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:37:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: This guy words better than me. He gets it. They are just going to shove harder left. Go back to 2016 and see how shitty things have become. I’m not blaming Trump. I’m blaming the govt as a whole. They don’t want a people’s representative government. They just want you all to stfu and take what they decide is best. They will crucify anyone who rocks the boat. It’s too big for one person. It takes the people to stop a tyrannical government. Not more government. Even if that government is orange Trump and many of his supporters aren’t really interested in shrinking the government but instead using government power for their interests. Two sides of the same coin. It is what it is now, not like we have much choice at this point. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:09:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: You guys don’t even know what a conservative is much less a Marxist. It’s labels you guys have assigned to people who do not 100% worship Trump. Only because y’all have read it in comments of a Tim Poole chick bait video or on some Twitter post by Laura Loomer. They’re as confused as the liberals who can’t define what a woman is. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:15:59 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: Trump and many of his supporters aren’t really interested in shrinking the government but instead using government power for their interests. Two sides of the same coin. It is what it is now, not like we have much choice at this point. Yeah. The country we grew up in is gone. |
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