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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:47:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Low_Country]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: As someone who spent their career to date in the private sector (until very recently as university faculty/staff) can respect Trump as an entrepreneur. People from military, academic, and political backgrounds don’t really connect with me. That’s fine. I do see great irony in a man who inherited a couple hundred million and a real estate empire becoming the standard bearer for the common working man, though. And a man who would fabricate a half dozen draft deferments to shirk military service is something that doesn’t really connect with me. So to each their own. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:49:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: That’s fine. I do see great irony in a man who inherited a couple hundred million and a real estate empire becoming the standard bearer for the common working man, though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By eurotrash: As someone who spent their career to date in the private sector (until very recently as university faculty/staff) can respect Trump as an entrepreneur. People from military, academic, and political backgrounds don’t really connect with me. That’s fine. I do see great irony in a man who inherited a couple hundred million and a real estate empire becoming the standard bearer for the common working man, though. He still made something from it. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:49:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: That’s the main frustration. During the primary I challenged countless Trump supporters to name a single issue on which his demonstrated performance outclassed DeSantis’s. Of course, nobody could ever answer. Fiscal responsibility, gun rights, conservative principles, constitutional principles, electability, a demonstrated willingness and ability to go after the woke agenda… it goes on and on. Instead they did stuff like make fun of his boots. Yeah, it’s a binary choice now. And as repugnant as many find Trump, the ideal of President Harris is even more unconscionable. So here we are. Doesn’t mean we have to be happy about it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Fair enough, although I may disagree with one being “awful” I agree that we often have to make a choice between two paths we find to be both unpalatable and quite often it is the most unfortunate situation in life where we have to weight the risks and benefits of both unpalatable choices and select the one we find less unpalatable than the other. I certainly agree that I wish we could choose between good and bad rather than bad and worse but unfortunately often we find ourselves in situations where that is not a practical position That’s the main frustration. During the primary I challenged countless Trump supporters to name a single issue on which his demonstrated performance outclassed DeSantis’s. Of course, nobody could ever answer. Fiscal responsibility, gun rights, conservative principles, constitutional principles, electability, a demonstrated willingness and ability to go after the woke agenda… it goes on and on. Instead they did stuff like make fun of his boots. Yeah, it’s a binary choice now. And as repugnant as many find Trump, the ideal of President Harris is even more unconscionable. So here we are. Doesn’t mean we have to be happy about it. Fair enough and I understand your position. I like Desantis. I like his positions and his ability to convey his positions. I was a Ben Carson guy in ‘16 because he thoroughly and thoughtfully elucidated his conservative positions as well as having a great American dream background. Unfortunately for Ben, the American population wants sound bite candidates not thoughtful explanations and he didn’t make the primary. Yes, in our shallow and simplistic thinking population, a candidate must be able to make a point in short bites to appeal to the simpletons that make up the electorate which is an argument against universal suffrage. However, that is, unfortunately, the system we have. Ross Perot was a much better candidate than Bush, which is why I voted for him but that vote (and many many like it, got us Clinton who was much worse than Bush |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: We'll see what happens when trump fucks conservatives over again and the John burns cult types here are aggressively defending him again. I'll have my pop corn ready  I want the government (Republicans and Democrats) fighting for four years under a Trump presidency. Let them mother fuckers eat themselves and get nothing done. The less those fuckers do the less we get fucked with. Let the local leadership make our country great, we don't need DC cocksuckers to accomplish that(NC Hurricane response is a prime example). Let those DC folks cut each other's throats for four years. Hell I hope Trumps wins and we get a full Democrat Jan 6 I hope they burn it down, Trump arrests them and then pardons only the previous Jan 6 folks. Then we watch as Congress fights and tries a third time to impeach Trump, but he says that's fine because if you do Neither me or Vance will sign any further Ukraine funding. I hope he has a Ashley Babbit statue Placed inside the entrance of the capitol building and makes the guy who shot her guard it every day. Not voting for Trump just gets Kamala who won't do shit except let the same Obama/Biden shit continue unchallenged. Trump is the guy you want to trip and outrun when being chased by a bear. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:51:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: That’s the main frustration. During the primary I challenged countless Trump supporters to name a single issue on which his demonstrated performance outclassed DeSantis’s. Of course, nobody could ever answer. Fiscal responsibility, gun rights, conservative principles, constitutional principles, electability, a demonstrated willingness and ability to go after the woke agenda… it goes on and on. Instead they did stuff like make fun of his boots. Yeah, it’s a binary choice now. And as repugnant as many find Trump, the ideal of President Harris is even more unconscionable. So here we are. Doesn’t mean we have to be happy about it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Fair enough, although I may disagree with one being “awful” I agree that we often have to make a choice between two paths we find to be both unpalatable and quite often it is the most unfortunate situation in life where we have to weight the risks and benefits of both unpalatable choices and select the one we find less unpalatable than the other. I certainly agree that I wish we could choose between good and bad rather than bad and worse but unfortunately often we find ourselves in situations where that is not a practical position That’s the main frustration. During the primary I challenged countless Trump supporters to name a single issue on which his demonstrated performance outclassed DeSantis’s. Of course, nobody could ever answer. Fiscal responsibility, gun rights, conservative principles, constitutional principles, electability, a demonstrated willingness and ability to go after the woke agenda… it goes on and on. Instead they did stuff like make fun of his boots. Yeah, it’s a binary choice now. And as repugnant as many find Trump, the ideal of President Harris is even more unconscionable. So here we are. Doesn’t mean we have to be happy about it. That’s the rub. If you supported trump before the primary even started, or really at anytime during the primary, you’re a social populist and don’t have a conservative or constitutional bone in your body. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:52:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: You’re an expert on those  You ever wonder why we are faced with pieces of shit like trump and harris to vote for? I’ll give you a hint… it has something to do with the quote liquid posted above and the intellectual scholars who reacted to it  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By Low_Country: It's possible to cast a vote against Kamala Harris and still be entirely disgusted and disillusioned with the current state of the GOP, it's leadership, conservatism, and American politics writ large. I don't think that's the case since he said he has never voted for Trump. Or is he voting against Kamala and voting for Trump? We’ll see what happens when trump fucks conservatives over again and the John burns cult types here are aggressively defending him again. I’ll have my pop corn ready And you’ll be just as happy when Harris fucks us even worse? Here we go again with this shit lol. Not a rational retort. In the real world, we are faced with either Trump or Harris as the next president. If you don’t get one , you will most certainly get the other. Which one do you prefer? You’re an expert on those You ever wonder why we are faced with pieces of shit like trump and harris to vote for? I’ll give you a hint… it has something to do with the quote liquid posted above and the intellectual scholars who reacted to it Everything I’ve posted has been rational and well thought out. Unlike juvenile quips and emojis you’ve put out so please don’t play that game. I cannot answer for other posters so why even bring them up? Are you not able to address an individual’s positions on their own merits? |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:52:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: He still made something from it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By eurotrash: As someone who spent their career to date in the private sector (until very recently as university faculty/staff) can respect Trump as an entrepreneur. People from military, academic, and political backgrounds don’t really connect with me. That’s fine. I do see great irony in a man who inherited a couple hundred million and a real estate empire becoming the standard bearer for the common working man, though. He still made something from it. Fawning I see |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:52:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: I love it when Trump fans go ballistic over Trump quotes. It says a lot about them. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:53:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bigger_Hammer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liquid77: I generally oppose gun control but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. Originally Posted By scarnar: We’ll go back to DU you flaming democrat. This is not the place for you. We don’t believe in any of that communist shit.  Bigger_Hammer  |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:53:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: That’s the rub. If you supported trump before the primary even started, or really at anytime during the primary, you’re a social populist and don’t have a conservative or constitutional bone in your body. The edginess gave me a papercut just reading that. I like it. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: You don't understand we don't vote for Trump because he is some conservative Jesus, we vote for him for chaos among RINOs and Democrats. I want the government (Republicans and Democrats) fighting for four years under a Trump presidency. Let them mother fuckers eat themselves and get nothing done. The less those fuckers do the less we get fucked with. Let the local leadership make our country great, we don't need DC cocksuckers to accomplish that(NC Hurricane response is a prime example). Let those DC folks cut each other's throats for four years. Hell I hope Trumps wins and we get a full Democrat Jan 6 I hope they burn it down, Trump arrests them and then pardons only the previous Jan 6 folks. Then we watch as Congress fights and tries a third time to impeach Trump, but he says that's fine because if you do Neither me or Vance will sign any further Ukraine funding. I hope he has a Ashley Babbit statue Placed inside the entrance of the capitol building and makes the guy who shot her guard it every day. Not voting for Trump just gets Kamala who won't do shit except let the same Obama/Biden shit continue unchallenged. Trump is the guy you want to trip and outrun when being chased by a bear. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: We'll see what happens when trump fucks conservatives over again and the John burns cult types here are aggressively defending him again. I'll have my pop corn ready I want the government (Republicans and Democrats) fighting for four years under a Trump presidency. Let them mother fuckers eat themselves and get nothing done. The less those fuckers do the less we get fucked with. Let the local leadership make our country great, we don't need DC cocksuckers to accomplish that(NC Hurricane response is a prime example). Let those DC folks cut each other's throats for four years. Hell I hope Trumps wins and we get a full Democrat Jan 6 I hope they burn it down, Trump arrests them and then pardons only the previous Jan 6 folks. Then we watch as Congress fights and tries a third time to impeach Trump, but he says that's fine because if you do Neither me or Vance will sign any further Ukraine funding. I hope he has a Ashley Babbit statue Placed inside the entrance of the capitol building and makes the guy who shot her guard it every day. Not voting for Trump just gets Kamala who won't do shit except let the same Obama/Biden shit continue unchallenged. Trump is the guy you want to trip and outrun when being chased by a bear. You say that… but look at what ‘they’ got done during his first term. I haven’t seen that level of government growth or socialism in my life time. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:55:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Everything I’ve posted has been rational and well thought out. Unlike juvenile quips and emojis you’ve put out so please don’t play that game. I cannot answer for other posters so why even bring them up? Are you not able to address an individual’s positions on their own merits? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By Low_Country: It's possible to cast a vote against Kamala Harris and still be entirely disgusted and disillusioned with the current state of the GOP, it's leadership, conservatism, and American politics writ large. I don't think that's the case since he said he has never voted for Trump. Or is he voting against Kamala and voting for Trump? We’ll see what happens when trump fucks conservatives over again and the John burns cult types here are aggressively defending him again. I’ll have my pop corn ready And you’ll be just as happy when Harris fucks us even worse? Here we go again with this shit lol. Not a rational retort. In the real world, we are faced with either Trump or Harris as the next president. If you don’t get one , you will most certainly get the other. Which one do you prefer? You’re an expert on those You ever wonder why we are faced with pieces of shit like trump and harris to vote for? I’ll give you a hint… it has something to do with the quote liquid posted above and the intellectual scholars who reacted to it Everything I’ve posted has been rational and well thought out. Unlike juvenile quips and emojis you’ve put out so please don’t play that game. I cannot answer for other posters so why even bring them up? Are you not able to address an individual’s positions on their own merits? Didn’t you post this gem? And you’ll be just as happy when Harris fucks us even worse? |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:55:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scarnar: Your response shows your true nature. I hope your state gets an AWB if it doesn’t already have one. Matter of fact if I learn what state you live in I would be of mind to donate to the effort if Trump loses that state. They don't. He's Honda2648 (prior name) of NC. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:55:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Fawning I see Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By eurotrash: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By eurotrash: As someone who spent their career to date in the private sector (until very recently as university faculty/staff) can respect Trump as an entrepreneur. People from military, academic, and political backgrounds don’t really connect with me. That’s fine. I do see great irony in a man who inherited a couple hundred million and a real estate empire becoming the standard bearer for the common working man, though. He still made something from it. Fawning I see I would take Vince McMahon over Ron DeSantis. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:56:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: That a person was tricked over the internet? Quite the achievement. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: I love it when Trump fans go ballistic over Trump quotes. It says a lot about them. It appears you and a few others are taking offense to this because you align yourself politically with that person who made a fool of himself. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:57:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: The edginess gave me a papercut just reading that. I like it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: That’s the rub. If you supported trump before the primary even started, or really at anytime during the primary, you’re a social populist and don’t have a conservative or constitutional bone in your body. The edginess gave me a papercut just reading that. I like it. Was there not much more conservative candidates running against trump? |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 8:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: I would take Vince McMahon over Ron DeSantis. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By eurotrash: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By eurotrash: As someone who spent their career to date in the private sector (until very recently as university faculty/staff) can respect Trump as an entrepreneur. People from military, academic, and political backgrounds don’t really connect with me. That’s fine. I do see great irony in a man who inherited a couple hundred million and a real estate empire becoming the standard bearer for the common working man, though. He still made something from it. Fawning I see I would take Vince McMahon over Ron DeSantis. That’s not shocking. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:02:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: I would take Vince McMahon over Ron DeSantis. And I’ve concluded an unqualified franchise was a mistake, and our entire primary system is due for a complete overhaul. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:06:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: And I’ve concluded an unqualified franchise was a mistake, and our entire primary system is due for a complete overhaul. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By eurotrash: I would take Vince McMahon over Ron DeSantis. And I’ve concluded an unqualified franchise was a mistake, and our entire primary system is due for a complete overhaul. Ayup. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:06:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Not a rational retort. In the real world, we are faced with either Trump or Harris as the next president. If you don't get one , you will most certainly get the other. Which one do you prefer? Then they can say it's not their fault since they didn't pick a side with a chance to win. We can all agree Trumps suck, but chances are he will be better than Kamala. So far we have a Biden and soon to be Harris voter, and writing in the neighbors dog as President (who would have the same chance as Rand or Ron Paul) and the rest are still voting for Trump but hate him and show his well earned flaws and hate. It gives them consultation so if he loses they can not only say they told us so but they can say but but guys I voted for him too. Its sad we all continue still this thread, if the democrats are here (we know of one Biden voter) they are laughing their asses off. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:08:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHe does love the poorly educated. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:08:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: I think some prefer to sit on their hands vs picking a side when it comes to the Presidential race. Then they can say it's not their fault since they didn't pick a side with a chance to win. We can all agree Trumps suck, but chances are he will be better than Kamala. So far we have a Biden and soon to be Harris voter, and writing in the neighbors dog as President (who would have the same chance as Rand or Ron Paul) and the rest are still voting for Trump but hate him and show his well earned flaws and hate. It gives them consultation so if he loses they can not only say they told us so but they can say but but guys I voted for him too. Its sad we all continue still this thread, if the democrats are here (we know of one Biden voter) they are laughing their asses off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Not a rational retort. In the real world, we are faced with either Trump or Harris as the next president. If you don't get one , you will most certainly get the other. Which one do you prefer? Then they can say it's not their fault since they didn't pick a side with a chance to win. We can all agree Trumps suck, but chances are he will be better than Kamala. So far we have a Biden and soon to be Harris voter, and writing in the neighbors dog as President (who would have the same chance as Rand or Ron Paul) and the rest are still voting for Trump but hate him and show his well earned flaws and hate. It gives them consultation so if he loses they can not only say they told us so but they can say but but guys I voted for him too. Its sad we all continue still this thread, if the democrats are here (we know of one Biden voter) they are laughing their asses off. Hmmm I thought you spent more time here than that. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:10:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Not a rational retort. In the real world, we are faced with either Trump or Harris as the next president. If you don’t get one , you will most certainly get the other. Which one do you prefer? Did you know that “neither” is a valid answer? Not liking Trump does not mean “you’d rather xxxxxx.” Not a hard thing to grasp. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:11:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Didn’t you post this gem? And you’ll be just as happy when Harris fucks us even worse? Thanks for saving me the effort. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I won't speak for anybody but myself. But I do recognize it is also possible to look at the entire body of work of Trump's presidency, and post-presidency, and conclude he is unfit to hold office. That doesn't make one a Harris supporter either. Regardless of how you look at it, there are two awful choices on the ballot. So far it been pretty damn disappointing. Politicians do enjoy watching us peasants groan and moan though. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Did you know that “neither” is a valid answer? Not liking Trump does not mean “you’d rather xxxxxx.” Not a hard thing to grasp. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Not a rational retort. In the real world, we are faced with either Trump or Harris as the next president. If you don’t get one , you will most certainly get the other. Which one do you prefer? Did you know that “neither” is a valid answer? Not liking Trump does not mean “you’d rather xxxxxx.” Not a hard thing to grasp. No shit. I don’t blame them though. We Americans have been indoctrinated with the team sport lesser of evils vote for someone who can win msm propaganda since the birth. One should never wonder why this country has suffered the death of 1000 cuts. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Name someone fit for office in the last 20 years and explain why they were fit for office? So far it been pretty damn disappointing. Politicians do enjoy watching us peasants groan and moan though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By Low_Country: I won't speak for anybody but myself. But I do recognize it is also possible to look at the entire body of work of Trump's presidency, and post-presidency, and conclude he is unfit to hold office. That doesn't make one a Harris supporter either. Regardless of how you look at it, there are two awful choices on the ballot. So far it been pretty damn disappointing. Politicians do enjoy watching us peasants groan and moan though. Yet ‘us peasants’ keep playing their game.. the one where we lose every time. The mind boggles. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Thanks for saving me the effort. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Didn’t you post this gem? And you’ll be just as happy when Harris fucks us even worse? Thanks for saving me the effort. 
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:14:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Qweamee]
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He was already president once and it was an unmitigated failure. My opinion.
OP asked for some reasons. 1. He doesn't know how tariffs works. They are (partially) responsible for the inflation we're suffering through. More of that? No thanks. 2. The Republican plan for dealing with the deficit is quantitative easing through slow, induced inflation. Everyone hates inflation, but the R plan is to weaken the dollar, hoping it will increase exports (it could) and spur foreign investment, but: 3. He doesn't seem to understand how the country relies on the extractive economies downstream from our security guarantees. If the AF thing leads to a perceived collapse of American security guarantees then we'll face a Suez-like Crisis and just like the English in '56, that will be curtains, folks. Interesting that MAGA people talk about the threat of BRICS to the USD, without realizing what will actually causes a run on reserve currency. 4. He's now thick as thieves with the Silicon Valley guys and I have nothing positive to say about SV. I can't really quantify this, but most of the MAGA "politics" seems designed to promote clickthroughs and push personalities towards a media career or media ecosystem rather than promote coherent solutions. It's about attention spans. This, I think, actually serves the "deep state" or stationary momentum of the government-professional class. The economy of social media clicks and attention now baffles popular energy away from government reform and towards short-term outrage and shiny objects. I don't think the individual of the President much matters. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Doubt it. You should ask yourself why that is. First Look to the reactions to the quote liquid posted and the reactions by the cult of personality types. And also those who took offense to the hypocrisy on display as it goes against their biases and diminished their value. Secondly, the vast majority (think 90-95%) of the US electorate is OK with some level of gun control and they are OK with socialist policies so long as it benefits them. It's ok not to be ok with those things and not support the candidates that majority chooses. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:17:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: You say that but look at what 'they' got done during his first term. I haven't seen that level of government growth or socialism in my life time. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: It appears you and a few others are taking offense to this because you align yourself politically with that person who made a fool of himself. Still well done it was a stunning achievement, that was a wonderful display of deception. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:23:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: No what was done could be done with any quote taken out of context or not saying who quoted it. Still well done it was a stunning achievement, that was a wonderful display of deception. It’s a rhetorical exercise. Leaving the quote unattributed is the entire point. Words should stand, or fall, on their own. But half the posters here need to know who said it, before they know to excuse or condemn it. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:24:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Hmmm I thought you spent more time here than that. Never getting a 100% agreement in a political argument here. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:37:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Name someone fit for office in the last 20 years and explain why they were fit for office? So far it been pretty damn disappointing. Politicians do enjoy watching us peasants groan and moan though. I’ll take a conservative governor, who won his reelection campaign decisively in a swing state turning blue counties red for the first time in a generation. Who signed pro-2A legislation into law, and who ran record budget surpluses in his state. A governor who successfully attacked the woke agenda in his public schools. A former military officer and teacher. A man still married to his first wife, and who has demonstrated an impeccable level of integrity in his personal life, and competence in his professional one. If only such a candidate existed. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:38:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Didn’t you post this gem? And you’ll be just as happy when Harris fucks us even worse? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By Low_Country: It's possible to cast a vote against Kamala Harris and still be entirely disgusted and disillusioned with the current state of the GOP, it's leadership, conservatism, and American politics writ large. I don't think that's the case since he said he has never voted for Trump. Or is he voting against Kamala and voting for Trump? We’ll see what happens when trump fucks conservatives over again and the John burns cult types here are aggressively defending him again. I’ll have my pop corn ready And you’ll be just as happy when Harris fucks us even worse? Here we go again with this shit lol. Not a rational retort. In the real world, we are faced with either Trump or Harris as the next president. If you don’t get one , you will most certainly get the other. Which one do you prefer? You’re an expert on those You ever wonder why we are faced with pieces of shit like trump and harris to vote for? I’ll give you a hint… it has something to do with the quote liquid posted above and the intellectual scholars who reacted to it Everything I’ve posted has been rational and well thought out. Unlike juvenile quips and emojis you’ve put out so please don’t play that game. I cannot answer for other posters so why even bring them up? Are you not able to address an individual’s positions on their own merits? Didn’t you post this gem? And you’ll be just as happy when Harris fucks us even worse? Yes. And it’s a well thought out retort to your stated position. Your position sets us up to be fucked even worse by Harris and you haven’t bothered to come back with an explanation. Will you be happier with Harris? Because that is what your sort of thinking will get us. Yes or no? Will you be happier with Harris? |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:39:09 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: I think some prefer to sit on their hands vs picking a side when it comes to the Presidential race. Then they can say it's not their fault since they didn't pick a side with a chance to win. We can all agree Trumps suck, but chances are he will be better than Kamala. So far we have a Biden and soon to be Harris voter, and writing in the neighbors dog as President (who would have the same chance as Rand or Ron Paul) and the rest are still voting for Trump but hate him and show his well earned flaws and hate. It gives them consultation so if he loses they can not only say they told us so but they can say but but guys I voted for him too. Its sad we all continue still this thread, if the democrats are here (we know of one Biden voter) they are laughing their asses off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Not a rational retort. In the real world, we are faced with either Trump or Harris as the next president. If you don't get one , you will most certainly get the other. Which one do you prefer? Then they can say it's not their fault since they didn't pick a side with a chance to win. We can all agree Trumps suck, but chances are he will be better than Kamala. So far we have a Biden and soon to be Harris voter, and writing in the neighbors dog as President (who would have the same chance as Rand or Ron Paul) and the rest are still voting for Trump but hate him and show his well earned flaws and hate. It gives them consultation so if he loses they can not only say they told us so but they can say but but guys I voted for him too. Its sad we all continue still this thread, if the democrats are here (we know of one Biden voter) they are laughing their asses off. Well stated. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:40:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NavyDoc1]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Did you know that “neither” is a valid answer? Not liking Trump does not mean “you’d rather xxxxxx.” Not a hard thing to grasp. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Not a rational retort. In the real world, we are faced with either Trump or Harris as the next president. If you don’t get one , you will most certainly get the other. Which one do you prefer? Did you know that “neither” is a valid answer? Not liking Trump does not mean “you’d rather xxxxxx.” Not a hard thing to grasp. “Neither “ is not a valid answer because, in the real world, at this point in time, you will either get one or the other. Period. So which of the two would you rather have because regardless of wishful thinking, you will have one or the other. This is not a hard point to grasp if one lives in reality. One may not like this, and that is understandable, however, that is the reality of the situation. So which of the two would you rather have? |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:51:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Yes. And it’s a well thought out retort to your stated position. Your position sets us up to be fucked even worse by Harris and you haven’t bothered to come back with an explanation. Will you be happier with Harris? Because that is what your sort of thinking will get us. Yes or no? Will you be happier with Harris? No it isn’t. It’s lazy as fuck. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:52:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Never_A_Wick]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: “Neither “ is not a valid answer because, in the real world, at this point in time, you will either get one or the other. Period. So which of the two would you rather have because regardless of wishful thinking, you will have one or the other. This is not a hard point to grasp if one lives in reality. One may not like this, and that is understandable, however, that is the reality of the situation. So which of the two would you rather have? You’re conflating binary choice with binary result. Writing in Massie does not equal “preference for Harris.” |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:54:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: No it isn’t. It’s lazy as fuck. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Yes. And it’s a well thought out retort to your stated position. Your position sets us up to be fucked even worse by Harris and you haven’t bothered to come back with an explanation. Will you be happier with Harris? Because that is what your sort of thinking will get us. Yes or no? Will you be happier with Harris? No it isn’t. It’s lazy as fuck. Yes it was and perfectly as such because it was posited in the language used. If one presented a simplistic position it is perfectly logical to respond in the same vein. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 9:59:08 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: He posted a DJT quote, Trump is hardly pro 2A, he's just less anti 2a than the alternative. Same with fiscal responsibility, he'll spend as much as any Dem president from the last 2 decades, but he won't spend near as much as the current alternative. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Unless you are being sarcastic, he’s got a point so how about explaining your statement. One problem with forums like this, is that sarcasm doesn’t always come through so enlighten us. He posted a DJT quote, Trump is hardly pro 2A, he's just less anti 2a than the alternative. Same with fiscal responsibility, he'll spend as much as any Dem president from the last 2 decades, but he won't spend near as much as the current alternative. The neverTrumpers love to use these quotes and pretend there was never a first Trump term, covid, Biden, stolen election etc. He’d never betray the 2nd amendment after all this, and even the bump stock thing was bad advice from the nra and got overturned by the justices he nominated, and there’s been more consequential pro gun rulings since his first term than decades prior. Is Trump the ultimate pro gun, gun culture guy out there? No, that’s not his background nor the profile of a NYC guy raised in the most restrictive era and area of gun control in America’s history. But where is this perfect 2A candidate? I recall McCain and Romney were pretty shitty, W said he would sign an awb, Bush Sr., Reagan signed antigun legislation, Ford tried to ban cheap pistols, etc. But let the yammering, whiny little bitch fest continue. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 10:00:09 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I’ll take a conservative governor, who won his reelection campaign decisively in a swing state turning blue counties red for the first time in a generation. Who signed pro-2A legislation into law, and who ran record budget surpluses in his state. A governor who successfully attacked the woke agenda in his public schools. A former military officer and teacher. A man still married to his first wife, and who has demonstrated an impeccable level of integrity in his personal life, and competence in his professional one. If only such a candidate existed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By FreefallRet: Name someone fit for office in the last 20 years and explain why they were fit for office? So far it been pretty damn disappointing. Politicians do enjoy watching us peasants groan and moan though. I’ll take a conservative governor, who won his reelection campaign decisively in a swing state turning blue counties red for the first time in a generation. Who signed pro-2A legislation into law, and who ran record budget surpluses in his state. A governor who successfully attacked the woke agenda in his public schools. A former military officer and teacher. A man still married to his first wife, and who has demonstrated an impeccable level of integrity in his personal life, and competence in his professional one. If only such a candidate existed. You still don’t understand national politics in a liberal country. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 10:01:23 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Techsan02: You still don’t understand national politics in a liberal country. I understand just fine. It’s the Trumpers that don’t understand the difference between a primary election, and a general. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 10:02:10 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: “Neither “ is not a valid answer because, in the real world, at this point in time, you will either get one or the other. Period. So which of the two would you rather have because regardless of wishful thinking, you will have one or the other. This is not a hard point to grasp if one lives in reality. One may not like this, and that is understandable, however, that is the reality of the situation. So which of the two would you rather have? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Not a rational retort. In the real world, we are faced with either Trump or Harris as the next president. If you don’t get one , you will most certainly get the other. Which one do you prefer? Did you know that “neither” is a valid answer? Not liking Trump does not mean “you’d rather xxxxxx.” Not a hard thing to grasp. “Neither “ is not a valid answer because, in the real world, at this point in time, you will either get one or the other. Period. So which of the two would you rather have because regardless of wishful thinking, you will have one or the other. This is not a hard point to grasp if one lives in reality. One may not like this, and that is understandable, however, that is the reality of the situation. So which of the two would you rather have? This cast of posters are highly emotional and get their dopamine fixes by getting reactions on an anonymous message board. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 10:02:32 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: You’re conflating binary choice with binary result. Writing in Massie does not equal “preference for Harris.” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: “Neither “ is not a valid answer because, in the real world, at this point in time, you will either get one or the other. Period. So which of the two would you rather have because regardless of wishful thinking, you will have one or the other. This is not a hard point to grasp if one lives in reality. One may not like this, and that is understandable, however, that is the reality of the situation. So which of the two would you rather have? You’re conflating binary choice with binary result. Writing in Massie does not equal “preference for Harris.” Firstly, are you suggesting that Harris and Trump are the same? Secondly, if writing in Massie gets you Harris, then there is a distinction without a difference. Thus, if one knows tthat writing in Massie will not get Massie because its impossible to happen then it infers they wouldn’t have a problem with Harris because otherwise if they really did not want Harris, they would vote for someone who could actually beat her. So yes, writing in some fantasy candidate rather than a reality opposition to Harris is an indication they would be fine with Harris. We learned that lesson the hard way in 1992 with Perot who was an even more viable candidate than Massie and we ended up with Clinton. Well done! |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 10:07:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alwaysright]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Techsan02: This cast of posters are highly emotional and get their dopamine fixes by getting reactions on an anonymous message board. The irony.  Trumplandians have kept me entertained for the last eight years. 
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Posted: 10/16/2024 10:08:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Never_A_Wick]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Firstly, are you suggesting that Harris and Trump are the same? What did I say that makes you think I’m even suggesting that a little bit? I think you misread something, or misunderstood. Secondly, if writing in Massie gets you Harris, then there is a distinction without a difference. Thus, if one knows tthat writing in Massie will not get Massie because its impossible to happen then it infers they wouldn’t have a problem with Harris because otherwise if they really did not want Harris, they would vote for someone who could actually beat her. So yes, writing in some fantasy candidate rather than a reality opposition to Harris is an indication they would be fine with Harris. We learned that lesson the hard way in 1992 with Perot who was an even more viable candidate than Massie and we ended up with Clinton. Well done! Damn, that’s some Trumplogic
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Posted: 10/16/2024 10:08:40 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Techsan02: This cast of posters are highly emotional and get their dopamine fixes by getting reactions on an anonymous message board. No irony there at all 
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Posted: 10/16/2024 10:09:30 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Fair enough and I understand your position. I like Desantis. I like his positions and his ability to convey his positions. I was a Ben Carson guy in ‘16 because he thoroughly and thoughtfully elucidated his conservative positions as well as having a great American dream background. Unfortunately for Ben, the American population wants sound bite candidates not thoughtful explanations and he didn’t make the primary. Yes, in our shallow and simplistic thinking population, a candidate must be able to make a point in short bites to appeal to the simpletons that make up the electorate which is an argument against universal suffrage. However, that is, unfortunately, the system we have. Ross Perot was a much better candidate than Bush, which is why I voted for him but that vote (and many many like it, got us Clinton who was much worse than Bush I never took you for a Carson guy. Bravo! Carson is a genius and shows what kind of person America is capable of producing. His back story is absolutely fantastic. The only downside was he lacked the appeal of Trump. Discussing Perot kinda dates yourself, man |
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