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Posted: Yesterday 12:23:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duck_Hunt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don’t even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C’mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation’s history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That’s “winning” with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. It was really cool when trump and his pal John Kerry bashed Thomas Massie when massie pushed for a recorded vote on the largest socialism package this country has seen since FDR. I thought trump was a fighter.. someone who will right this ship and save us from the evil cabal. ETA: yes they are all guilty. It makes the ‘lesser of evils’ logic look even more moronic. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:24:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RolandofGilead]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don't even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C'mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. And if Trump would have even attempted to stop it and failed, then I personally would give him a pass. He didn't though. He supported it whole heartedly and in fact wanted the full credit for it. That is an indication of his actual beliefs and is complete willingness to take money from YOU and ME and give it to others. Is it all his fault? Nope. But he sure as hell didn't even attempt to do the right thing. ETA- to your edit- you're 100% correct, and if there is a discussion about the MANY other guilty parties I will say the same thing. This thread is about Trump though. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:32:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: It was really cool when trump and his pal John Kerry bashed Thomas Massie when massie pushed for a recorded vote on the largest socialism package this country has seen since FDR. I thought trump was a fighter.. someone who will right this ship and save us from the evil cabal. ETA: yes they are all guilty. It makes the ‘lesser of evils’ logic look even more moronic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don’t even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C’mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation’s history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That’s “winning” with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. It was really cool when trump and his pal John Kerry bashed Thomas Massie when massie pushed for a recorded vote on the largest socialism package this country has seen since FDR. I thought trump was a fighter.. someone who will right this ship and save us from the evil cabal. ETA: yes they are all guilty. It makes the ‘lesser of evils’ logic look even more moronic. There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:32:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: And if Trump would have even attempted to stop it and failed, then I personally would give him a pass. He didn't though. He supported it whole heartedly and in fact wanted the full credit for it. That is an indication of his actual beliefs and is complete willingness to take money from YOU and ME and give it to others. Is it all his fault? Nope. But he sure as hell didn't even attempt to do the right thing. ETA- to your edit- you're 100% correct, and if there is a discussion about the MANY other guilty parties I will say the same thing. This thread is about Trump though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don't even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C'mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. And if Trump would have even attempted to stop it and failed, then I personally would give him a pass. He didn't though. He supported it whole heartedly and in fact wanted the full credit for it. That is an indication of his actual beliefs and is complete willingness to take money from YOU and ME and give it to others. Is it all his fault? Nope. But he sure as hell didn't even attempt to do the right thing. ETA- to your edit- you're 100% correct, and if there is a discussion about the MANY other guilty parties I will say the same thing. This thread is about Trump though. Bro, but those nods I bought with muh Trump bucks are totally worth it!! Only wish congress had acted moar responsibly and gave Trump the yuge stimmy package he really wanted! |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:33:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don't even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C'mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. It was really cool when trump and his pal John Kerry bashed Thomas Massie when massie pushed for a recorded vote on the largest socialism package this country has seen since FDR. I thought trump was a fighter.. someone who will right this ship and save us from the evil cabal. ETA: yes they are all guilty. It makes the 'lesser of evils' logic look even more moronic. There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. This is a thread about trump, so of course the discussion centers around his culpability. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deltastone: It's really going to come down to whether or not Trump, somehow, managed to make a cult that will follow him off the edge of a cliff, or revealed that you can just outright lie and your base will just believe it anyways. Trump convinced people that this massive amount of election fraud happened, because just trust me bro. He had a team of lawyers file lawsuits that were obviously nothingburgers, and when they get dismissed, use that as further evidence for the conspiracy - people ate it up. Like, just think about that; you have lawyers file a lawsuit that has an absolute 0% chance of going anywhere, and when it obviously gets dismissed you say it's just further proof of the fraud. What happens is that dudes who bought red hats say "Yes, that is reasonable." For all the conspiracies we get about how democrats stole the vote and how MSNBC is complicate in just knowingly fabricating lies, the idea of Trump doing exactly the same just never enters their mind. If this is a byproduct of Trump specifically and no other politician can capture that energy? The country can probably heal, and then the work of dismantling some of the absolutely unhinged stuff the Democrats are doing can begin. If it turns out in a post Trump era people like Vance can still openly admit on national TV they will just make up lies for the news and people will shrug their shoulders and say I'd never vote for a Democrat? Then probably there is no coming back from that. If nothing else it's entertaining. All the people spreading the Chimney Rock Lithium conspiracy theories saying it's Democrats or whatever is so funny because in their mind, Democrats mean Electric Cars. But the idea of the billionaire who owns the most successful electric car company supporting Trump spending tens of millions this election is spreading lies about FEMA aid that would put Americans in further financial aid and further desperation? Doesn't cross their mind. If a bunch of people get their bank accounts wiped out by the hurricane and need to take some sort of pay out or just sell their land and leave so there is less opposition to the lithium mine. Would the guy with the company that uses lithium benefit from that? If Musk's last name was Soros this would be a 70 page thread, but because it's Musk, it gets glossed over - because electric cars are communist. Hopefully in a post Trump world we can get back to politics where the scandal of the week is the President choosing to wear a brown suit. I miss those days. It will likely take years to restore faith in the media or the electoral process... we can thank trump for that |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:36:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: And if Trump would have even attempted to stop it and failed, then I personally would give him a pass. He didn't though. He supported it whole heartedly and in fact wanted the full credit for it. That is an indication of his actual beliefs and is complete willingness to take money from YOU and ME and give it to others. Is it all his fault? Nope. But he sure as hell didn't even attempt to do the right thing. ETA- to your edit- you're 100% correct, and if there is a discussion about the MANY other guilty parties I will say the same thing. This thread is about Trump though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don't even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C'mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. And if Trump would have even attempted to stop it and failed, then I personally would give him a pass. He didn't though. He supported it whole heartedly and in fact wanted the full credit for it. That is an indication of his actual beliefs and is complete willingness to take money from YOU and ME and give it to others. Is it all his fault? Nope. But he sure as hell didn't even attempt to do the right thing. ETA- to your edit- you're 100% correct, and if there is a discussion about the MANY other guilty parties I will say the same thing. This thread is about Trump though. Well said and I agree. That was his time to shine and he failed. He should've taken a step back and listened to Massie more closely. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:37:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: This is a thread about trump, so of course the discussion centers around his culpability. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don't even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C'mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. It was really cool when trump and his pal John Kerry bashed Thomas Massie when massie pushed for a recorded vote on the largest socialism package this country has seen since FDR. I thought trump was a fighter.. someone who will right this ship and save us from the evil cabal. ETA: yes they are all guilty. It makes the 'lesser of evils' logic look even more moronic. There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. This is a thread about trump, so of course the discussion centers around his culpability. It's also a thread about those not voting for Trump which expands the scope quite a bit. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don’t even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C’mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation’s history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That’s “winning” with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. It was really cool when trump and his pal John Kerry bashed Thomas Massie when massie pushed for a recorded vote on the largest socialism package this country has seen since FDR. I thought trump was a fighter.. someone who will right this ship and save us from the evil cabal. ETA: yes they are all guilty. It makes the ‘lesser of evils’ logic look even more moronic. There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. That’s your biased perception. Your biases didn’t let you see the ‘yes they are all guilty’ line. I don’t vote for or support any uniparty candidates..it’s not just trump. He just happens to have the most support on here, and I rather enjoy pointing out hypocrisy, falsehoods and general bull shit. Of which there is no shortage. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:39:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Deltastone]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AdLucem: It will likely take years to restore faith in the media or the electoral process... we can thank trump for that Yeah it's real frustrating because for all the conspiracy theories and the claims of lies and deceit - the glaring possibility that Trump purposefully filed lawsuits he knew he didn't have standing to file so he can lie to you about why they were dismissed? Not even a thought that ever crosses their mind. But you better not take that can of beans from FEMA or else they'll take your house (how will they? Don't worry about it, just don't take the beans.) |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:42:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: It's also a thread about those not voting for Trump which expands the scope quite a bit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don't even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C'mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. It was really cool when trump and his pal John Kerry bashed Thomas Massie when massie pushed for a recorded vote on the largest socialism package this country has seen since FDR. I thought trump was a fighter.. someone who will right this ship and save us from the evil cabal. ETA: yes they are all guilty. It makes the 'lesser of evils' logic look even more moronic. There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. This is a thread about trump, so of course the discussion centers around his culpability. It's also a thread about those not voting for Trump which expands the scope quite a bit. In what way? |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:44:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. Double edit: I'm not giving Trump a pass because the blame does falls on his shoulders AND many others. That bears repeating - and many others. That's where you guys fall short. You NEVER blame anyone else. It's all Trump's fault. I've probably seen more PPP abuse than most of the posters in this thread. It's sickening. Every fucking person that supported the lockdowns and handouts is to blame for Covid spending. They're all guilty. Stop acting like it's a one man show. It's not. If Trump was so impotent and powerless, why did we waste our time nominating him again? An incompetent 80 year old seems like a poor choice if he isn’t actually the one to fight the swamp. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:48:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: That’s your biased perception. Your biases didn’t let you see the ‘yes they are all guilty’ line. I don’t vote for or support any uniparty candidates..it’s not just trump. He just happens to have the most support on here, and I rather enjoy pointing out hypocrisy, falsehoods and general bull shit. Of which there is no shortage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don’t even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C’mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation’s history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That’s “winning” with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. It was really cool when trump and his pal John Kerry bashed Thomas Massie when massie pushed for a recorded vote on the largest socialism package this country has seen since FDR. I thought trump was a fighter.. someone who will right this ship and save us from the evil cabal. ETA: yes they are all guilty. It makes the ‘lesser of evils’ logic look even more moronic. There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. That’s your biased perception. Your biases didn’t let you see the ‘yes they are all guilty’ line. I don’t vote for or support any uniparty candidates..it’s not just trump. He just happens to have the most support on here, and I rather enjoy pointing out hypocrisy, falsehoods and general bull shit. Of which there is no shortage. I did see that. I should've used the word "consistently" instead of "constantly". I've read your posts about Trump and spending for years now. I'm sure I've missed some because I don't live on arfcom and you post much more than I do, but 99% plus of what I've seen is solely an attack on Trump and nobody else. The only times I can recall you expanding the scope of blame is when we've directly discussed this before (and now). Yes, they're all guilty. Very few got it right from the start. If Rand would've won in 2016 I have no doubt he would've handled it masterfully and there would've been less damage to this country. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:53:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: If Trump was so impotent and powerless, why did we waste our time nominating him again? An incompetent 80 year old seems like a poor choice if he isn’t actually the one to fight the swamp. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By nolan7120: LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. Double edit: I'm not giving Trump a pass because the blame does falls on his shoulders AND many others. That bears repeating - and many others. That's where you guys fall short. You NEVER blame anyone else. It's all Trump's fault. I've probably seen more PPP abuse than most of the posters in this thread. It's sickening. Every fucking person that supported the lockdowns and handouts is to blame for Covid spending. They're all guilty. Stop acting like it's a one man show. It's not. If Trump was so impotent and powerless, why did we waste our time nominating him again? An incompetent 80 year old seems like a poor choice if he isn’t actually the one to fight the swamp. He was a poor choice. I was on the DeSantis train but never got a chance to pull the lever for him. Sucks. I do like Trump's VP pick. I was firmly in the pick a woman or black guy camp but I think Trump (or whoever advised him) did well in that regard. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:55:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: Well said and I agree. That was his time to shine and he failed. He should've taken a step back and listened to Massie more closely. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don't even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C'mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. And if Trump would have even attempted to stop it and failed, then I personally would give him a pass. He didn't though. He supported it whole heartedly and in fact wanted the full credit for it. That is an indication of his actual beliefs and is complete willingness to take money from YOU and ME and give it to others. Is it all his fault? Nope. But he sure as hell didn't even attempt to do the right thing. ETA- to your edit- you're 100% correct, and if there is a discussion about the MANY other guilty parties I will say the same thing. This thread is about Trump though. Well said and I agree. That was his time to shine and he failed. He should've taken a step back and listened to Massie more closely. Yup, he could have illustrated he wasn't part of the swamp he claims to want to destroy. I don't expect perfection, I don't expect success 100% of the time, but this was a major fuckup even if he only gets part of the blame. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:56:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: He was a poor choice. I was on the DeSantis train but never got a chance to pull the lever for him. Sucks. I do like Trump's VP pick. I was firmly in the pick a woman or black guy camp but I think Trump (or whoever advised him) did well in that regard. Ok then, fair enough. |
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Posted: Yesterday 12:59:13 PM EDT
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 Attached FileQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: In what way? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don't even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C'mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. It was really cool when trump and his pal John Kerry bashed Thomas Massie when massie pushed for a recorded vote on the largest socialism package this country has seen since FDR. I thought trump was a fighter.. someone who will right this ship and save us from the evil cabal. ETA: yes they are all guilty. It makes the 'lesser of evils' logic look even more moronic. There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. This is a thread about trump, so of course the discussion centers around his culpability. It's also a thread about those not voting for Trump which expands the scope quite a bit. In what way? Attached FileYou don't need me to answer that for you. It should be obvious. Gotta get back to work. Until later tonight or can find the time. |
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Posted: Yesterday 1:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Yup, he could have illustrated he wasn't part of the swamp he claims to want to destroy. I don't expect perfection, I don't expect success 100% of the time, but this was a major fuckup even if he only gets part of the blame. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don't even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C'mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. And if Trump would have even attempted to stop it and failed, then I personally would give him a pass. He didn't though. He supported it whole heartedly and in fact wanted the full credit for it. That is an indication of his actual beliefs and is complete willingness to take money from YOU and ME and give it to others. Is it all his fault? Nope. But he sure as hell didn't even attempt to do the right thing. ETA- to your edit- you're 100% correct, and if there is a discussion about the MANY other guilty parties I will say the same thing. This thread is about Trump though. Well said and I agree. That was his time to shine and he failed. He should've taken a step back and listened to Massie more closely. Yup, he could have illustrated he wasn't part of the swamp he claims to want to destroy. I don't expect perfection, I don't expect success 100% of the time, but this was a major fuckup even if he only gets part of the blame. For sure. Huge fuckup. We don't get to pick and choose our battles when they show up unannounced on our doorstep. Trump was thinking about popularity and what will keep him in office, not what was best for the American people. He dropped the ball. |
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Posted: Yesterday 1:02:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AdLucem: It will likely take years to restore faith in the media or the electoral process... we can thank trump for that Lol yes its Trumps fault that they are a bunch of corrupt liars. |
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Posted: Yesterday 1:04:05 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: For sure. Huge fuckup. We don't get to pick and choose our battles when they show up unannounced on our doorstep. Trump was thinking about popularity and what will keep him in office, not what was best for the American people. He dropped the ball. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don't even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C'mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. And if Trump would have even attempted to stop it and failed, then I personally would give him a pass. He didn't though. He supported it whole heartedly and in fact wanted the full credit for it. That is an indication of his actual beliefs and is complete willingness to take money from YOU and ME and give it to others. Is it all his fault? Nope. But he sure as hell didn't even attempt to do the right thing. ETA- to your edit- you're 100% correct, and if there is a discussion about the MANY other guilty parties I will say the same thing. This thread is about Trump though. Well said and I agree. That was his time to shine and he failed. He should've taken a step back and listened to Massie more closely. Yup, he could have illustrated he wasn't part of the swamp he claims to want to destroy. I don't expect perfection, I don't expect success 100% of the time, but this was a major fuckup even if he only gets part of the blame. For sure. Huge fuckup. We don't get to pick and choose our battles when they show up unannounced on our doorstep. Trump was thinking about popularity and what will keep him in office, not what was best for the American people. He dropped the ball. These are the things the vast majority can agree on if people are willing to actually discuss instead of call names. FWIW, if this was one of the only things trump did I'd still support him- though I'd still be pissed about this one incident. |
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Posted: Yesterday 1:15:15 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: If Trump was so impotent and powerless, why did we waste our time nominating him again? An incompetent 80 year old seems like a poor choice if he isn’t actually the one to fight the swamp. It’s that circle of retardation we spoke of earlier in the thread. |
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Posted: Yesterday 1:18:35 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation's history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That's "winning" with Trump. |
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Posted: Yesterday 1:27:42 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. You guys have spent years calling Trump an outsider and saying he’s not a politician, and now you want us to give him a pass because he’s the same as the rest of em. 
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Posted: Yesterday 1:32:27 PM EDT
[#24]
I early voted today for Trump/Vance so I’ve done what I can do. If Trump wins I only can hope he does a better job next time, appoints and hire people that will move the needle in the other direction and setup Vance.
I actually had to wait at the polling place, a lot of older, retired type and I’m in a very heavy Republican county. My vote was 2171 for the day. While he’s imperfect and has some worts, it’s the best option at this time. Now let me go take a shower…. |
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Posted: Yesterday 1:32:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Trump is a stable genius but he’s ignorant at the same time. The election was stolen. But you have to vote for him or else you are voting for Harris.
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Posted: Yesterday 1:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: I did see that. I should've used the word "consistently" instead of "constantly". I've read your posts about Trump and spending for years now. I'm sure I've missed some because I don't live on arfcom and you post much more than I do, but 99% plus of what I've seen is solely an attack on Trump and nobody else. The only times I can recall you expanding the scope of blame is when we've directly discussed this before (and now). Yes, they're all guilty. Very few got it right from the start. If Rand would've won in 2016 I have no doubt he would've handled it masterfully and there would've been less damage to this country. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don’t even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C’mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation’s history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That’s “winning” with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. It was really cool when trump and his pal John Kerry bashed Thomas Massie when massie pushed for a recorded vote on the largest socialism package this country has seen since FDR. I thought trump was a fighter.. someone who will right this ship and save us from the evil cabal. ETA: yes they are all guilty. It makes the ‘lesser of evils’ logic look even more moronic. There's a big difference between being highly critical of someone and placing 100% blame on someone. You constantly fall in the "latter" camp. It's a failed analysis. That’s your biased perception. Your biases didn’t let you see the ‘yes they are all guilty’ line. I don’t vote for or support any uniparty candidates..it’s not just trump. He just happens to have the most support on here, and I rather enjoy pointing out hypocrisy, falsehoods and general bull shit. Of which there is no shortage. I did see that. I should've used the word "consistently" instead of "constantly". I've read your posts about Trump and spending for years now. I'm sure I've missed some because I don't live on arfcom and you post much more than I do, but 99% plus of what I've seen is solely an attack on Trump and nobody else. The only times I can recall you expanding the scope of blame is when we've directly discussed this before (and now). Yes, they're all guilty. Very few got it right from the start. If Rand would've won in 2016 I have no doubt he would've handled it masterfully and there would've been less damage to this country. I did say this above ‘He just happens to have the most support on here, and I rather enjoy pointing out hypocrisy, falsehoods and general bull shit.’ I get what you are saying… the fact that he is the topic of conversation more so than anyone else here would explain that. I’ve bagged on many other charlatans here when they are brought up. |
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Posted: Yesterday 1:56:36 PM EDT
[#27]
 There’s still a 0.7% chance for a head in a jar! 
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Posted: Yesterday 1:58:53 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563643/IMG_3748-3351734.jpg There’s still a 0.7% chance for a head in a jar! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563643/IMG_3750-3351735.jpg I believe Trump will win. And when he does, the conversations I’m eagerly anticipating will be the ones with all of the Trumpers who spent the last 4 years fruitlessly trying to convince the electorate how the election was stolen, and voting no longer matters. The mental gymnastics will be off the charts. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:00:04 PM EDT
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[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563643/IMG_3748-3351734.jpg There’s still a 0.7% chance for a head in a jar! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563643/IMG_3750-3351735.jpg Can’t wait to chat with you about his failures as they happen again. Right or wrong do you think they will indict him or impeach him first? Maybe roll out some sham investigations first? That way he will have his political nuts snipped and he can spend his time of Twitter crying about how it’s so unfair. It’s going to be a doozy of a term. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:09:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Can’t wait to chat with you about his failures as they happen again. Right or wrong do you think they will indict him or impeach him first? Maybe roll out some sham investigations first? That way he will have his political nuts snipped and he can spend his time of Twitter crying about how it’s so unfair. It’s going to be a doozy of a term. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Originally Posted By eurotrash: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563643/IMG_3748-3351734.jpg There’s still a 0.7% chance for a head in a jar! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563643/IMG_3750-3351735.jpg Can’t wait to chat with you about his failures as they happen again. Right or wrong do you think they will indict him or impeach him first? Maybe roll out some sham investigations first? That way he will have his political nuts snipped and he can spend his time of Twitter crying about how it’s so unfair. It’s going to be a doozy of a term. lol yep. He’ll certainly get all the progressive liberal statist establishment RINO shit done again… green cards for illegals that let .gov pay for their junior college degrees, letting Blackstone and blackrock globohomos run the economy again to fuck the middle class even more, build a new fbi building, ramp ATF enforcement up again.. Maybe we will get moar handouts and moar gun control and import bans. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:23:23 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Qweamee: A nice substantive rebuttal to the facts of my case: he doesn't know how tariffs work and the republican plan is to induce more inflation (like in the 50s) to shrink the debt to GDP ratio. Oh, in terms of Silicon Valley he's taken money from Musk, Marc Adreeson, Ben Horowitz, David Sacks Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg, the Winklevoss twins - I could go on, but I'm not getting the sense you have your finger on the pulse of who is who in SV. That's okay. You sound kinda pissy. Maybe tone it down, dude. I listed substantive policy failures and you replied with a completely washed meme from "The Office." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Qweamee: Originally Posted By scarnar: All that shit you posted is exactly that. Shit. It's your speculation and opinions. Thick as thieves with Silicon Valley because Elon Musk supports him? LOL MAGA politics a personality cult now? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/pic427284-2427526-806.jpg A nice substantive rebuttal to the facts of my case: he doesn't know how tariffs work and the republican plan is to induce more inflation (like in the 50s) to shrink the debt to GDP ratio. Oh, in terms of Silicon Valley he's taken money from Musk, Marc Adreeson, Ben Horowitz, David Sacks Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg, the Winklevoss twins - I could go on, but I'm not getting the sense you have your finger on the pulse of who is who in SV. That's okay. MAGA politics a personality cult now? You sound kinda pissy. Maybe tone it down, dude. I listed substantive policy failures and you replied with a completely washed meme from "The Office." “ Republican plans to induce more inflation”  How is Joe Biden’s inflation plan treating you? You haven’t listed substantive shit.  Then you must love the last 4 years of open border. I bet you believe all the Russia,Russia,Russia shit also. You people need to just say it and come out of the closet. You’re democrats plain and simple. Not even kinda pissy. I just do t suffer fools. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:24:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: The Biden voter is talking again. https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/db8e83b8946783e025ce40d726305b2490f8f4d8/c=0-186-2048-1343/local/-/media/2019/04/25/USATODAY/USATODAY/636917992943963490-D5A-rK9WkAATMHg.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By macros73: I like how he complains about taking things out of context, while never mentioning I voted for Trump in 2016 and every Republican candidate before him since I was old enough to vote as he pulls out the guilt by association smears. https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/db8e83b8946783e025ce40d726305b2490f8f4d8/c=0-186-2048-1343/local/-/media/2019/04/25/USATODAY/USATODAY/636917992943963490-D5A-rK9WkAATMHg.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:31:02 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gr0g: You won't feel bad if you don't vote for him... So you're OK with 20+ Million Illegals, higher gas prices, another 20% inflation, mandatory gun buybacks, giving more money to Iran, and a very high percentage of another large scale war? On the national level, we have been forced to pick between the lesser of 2 evils for quite a while. This time the greater evil is pretty fucking evil. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gr0g: Originally Posted By CryptoMan: Not going to vote for him because a cult tells me to. I will not feel bad if I don't vote for him Some people treat him the last coming and a messiah. The cult worship he has can be scary. Reminds of how the left saw Obama in 2008. Same cult mentality just on the opposite side of the political spectrum He has done some good, but he did a lot of anti constitutional things as well. All because it was popular at the time I am more libertarian then republican. IMO a group or person that tells another person who they must vote for is a anti freedom dick You won't feel bad if you don't vote for him... So you're OK with 20+ Million Illegals, higher gas prices, another 20% inflation, mandatory gun buybacks, giving more money to Iran, and a very high percentage of another large scale war? On the national level, we have been forced to pick between the lesser of 2 evils for quite a while. This time the greater evil is pretty fucking evil. All the NT cries in the world about Trump Man bad don’t touch the reality of this. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: He isn't a Kamala supporter he just hates Trump. At this point it’s the same thing to me. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:35:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: The election will be over soon bud. We will then get to pick apart the failed Trump policies he puts in place and all the swamp he fails to drain. The threads are going to be even better than these. I am braced for an absolute disaster of another 4 years of Trump. I’m sure house will spin up impeachment hearings immediately. He will be sentenced to a jail term. Will he serve it? Not sure but I bet it will be big news on the forums and we will all be focused on that instead of the failing economy and stuff. There will be some specials counsels to investigate him on some other bullshit. Costing us hundreds of millions of dollars. Mexicans will still come in-in droves. You guys will say “nuh uhh he’s killing pedos secretly in gtmo. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not true” I will point my finger at you and laugh. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Originally Posted By nu3gawhat: Of course they are targeting the weak, less informed ones. Gun owners are a target just like any other group. Influence campaigns are all over. Can you logically explain the behavoir of posting endlessly negatively the same nonsense day in day out for years about Trump any other way? Now we are days out from a very important election, and its still the same nonsense. Oh but, no no no we dont want Kamala to win. Heres a thousand posts about how bad Trump is and how hes not going to do anything good. Etc. Its so transparent. The election will be over soon bud. We will then get to pick apart the failed Trump policies he puts in place and all the swamp he fails to drain. The threads are going to be even better than these. I am braced for an absolute disaster of another 4 years of Trump. I’m sure house will spin up impeachment hearings immediately. He will be sentenced to a jail term. Will he serve it? Not sure but I bet it will be big news on the forums and we will all be focused on that instead of the failing economy and stuff. There will be some specials counsels to investigate him on some other bullshit. Costing us hundreds of millions of dollars. Mexicans will still come in-in droves. You guys will say “nuh uhh he’s killing pedos secretly in gtmo. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not true” I will point my finger at you and laugh. So you grand plan is to keep on trolling. Brilliant |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:43:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TxRabbitBane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. Double edit: I'm not giving Trump a pass because the blame does falls on his shoulders AND many others. That bears repeating - and many others. That's where you guys fall short. You NEVER blame anyone else. It's all Trump's fault. I've probably seen more PPP abuse than most of the posters in this thread. It's sickening. Every fucking person that supported the lockdowns and handouts is to blame for Covid spending. They're all guilty. Stop acting like it's a one man show. It's not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don’t even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C’mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation’s history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That’s “winning” with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. Double edit: I'm not giving Trump a pass because the blame does falls on his shoulders AND many others. That bears repeating - and many others. That's where you guys fall short. You NEVER blame anyone else. It's all Trump's fault. I've probably seen more PPP abuse than most of the posters in this thread. It's sickening. Every fucking person that supported the lockdowns and handouts is to blame for Covid spending. They're all guilty. Stop acting like it's a one man show. It's not. It’s not that “we” never blame anyone else, we just assign blame to the guilty. It’s the trump supporters that can’t accept ANY responsibility to their idol. He literally cannot do wrong to them. It’s always somebody else’s fault… which is a cultish fantasy. You can’t find any big checks that Trump failed to sign when he had the opportunity. He spent tax money recklessly and gave the Dems (who he was allegedly fighting) everything they asked for, when it came to his desk. Trump spends like a democrat. That’s just fact, Did Trump do anything to make himself a more attractive candidate over the last 4 years? No. Did he do any coalition building (which is necessary in a tripartite government)? No - he shot his mouth off with conspiracy bullshit he couldn’t back with any evidence, and the cult ate it like manna from Heaven. This is the real problem. Instead of dealing with this, trump supporters put their fingers in their ears, call people commies, post memes, and change the subject. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:46:54 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I believe Trump will win. And when he does, the conversations I’m eagerly anticipating will be the ones with all of the Trumpers who spent the last 4 years fruitlessly trying to convince the electorate how the election was stolen, and voting no longer matters. The mental gymnastics will be off the charts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By eurotrash: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563643/IMG_3748-3351734.jpg There’s still a 0.7% chance for a head in a jar! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563643/IMG_3750-3351735.jpg I believe Trump will win. And when he does, the conversations I’m eagerly anticipating will be the ones with all of the Trumpers who spent the last 4 years fruitlessly trying to convince the electorate how the election was stolen, and voting no longer matters. The mental gymnastics will be off the charts. I look forward to seeing how close to 81 million votes either can get. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: Lol yes its Trumps fault that they are a bunch of corrupt liars. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: Originally Posted By AdLucem: It will likely take years to restore faith in the media or the electoral process... we can thank trump for that Lol yes its Trumps fault that they are a bunch of corrupt liars. That’s some stupid shit only a Kamala Harris supporter could make up. Trump made the media untrustworthy. How fucking stupid can you get Apparently that whole has no bottom. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:49:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: Bro, but those nods I bought with muh Trump bucks are totally worth it!! Only wish congress had acted moar responsibly and gave Trump the yuge stimmy package he really wanted! Bro where did all this inflation come from??? Must be Bidens fault! |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: It’s not that “we” never blame anyone else, we just assign blame to the guilty. It’s the trump supporters that can’t accept ANY responsibility to their idol. He literally cannot do wrong to them. It’s always somebody else’s fault… which is a cultish fantasy. You can’t find any big checks that Trump failed to sign when he had the opportunity. He spent tax money recklessly and gave the Dems (who he was allegedly fighting) everything they asked for, when it came to his desk. Trump spends like a democrat. That’s just fact, Did Trump do anything to make himself a more attractive candidate over the last 4 years? No. Did he do any coalition building (which is necessary in a tripartite government)? No - he shot his mouth off with conspiracy bullshit he couldn’t back with any evidence, and the cult ate it like manna from Heaven. This is the real problem. Instead of dealing with this, trump supporters put their fingers in their ears, call people commies, post memes, and change the subject.  Attached File |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:54:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Did Trump do anything to make himself a more attractive candidate over the last 4 years? No. Did he do any coalition building (which is necessary in a tripartite government)? No - he shot his mouth off with conspiracy bullshit he couldn’t back with any evidence, and the cult ate it like manna from Heaven. This is the real problem. Instead of dealing with this, trump supporters put their fingers in their ears, call people commies, post memes, and change the subject. This is evidence, that you dont live in reality. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:54:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scarnar: “ Republican plans to induce more inflation” How is Joe Biden’s inflation plan treating you? You haven’t listed substantive shit. Then you must love the last 4 years of open border. I bet you believe all the Russia,Russia,Russia shit also. You people need to just say it and come out of the closet. You’re democrats plain and simple. Not even kinda pissy. I just do t suffer fools. You can’t spell either. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:56:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: This is evidence, that you dont live in reality. Coming from the guy that thinks the Feds are staking him out from his ARF Posts.
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Posted: Yesterday 2:56:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liquid77: You can’t spell either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liquid77: Originally Posted By scarnar: “ Republican plans to induce more inflation” How is Joe Biden’s inflation plan treating you? You haven’t listed substantive shit. Then you must love the last 4 years of open border. I bet you believe all the Russia,Russia,Russia shit also. You people need to just say it and come out of the closet. You’re democrats plain and simple. Not even kinda pissy. I just do t suffer fools. You can’t spell either. That’s all you got. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:58:07 PM EDT
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Hai frens, just checkin`to see if the NeoTard hijerk of this thread is still ongoing...
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Posted: Yesterday 2:58:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scarnar: That’s all you got. I mean I could post another leftist quote from Trump and you could fall for it again. |
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Posted: Yesterday 2:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scarnar: That’s some stupid shit only a Kamala Harris supporter could make up. Trump made the media untrustworthy. How fucking stupid can you get Apparently that whole has no bottom. You’re here insulting everyone else’s intelligence and you can’t even detect basic sarcasm. 
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Posted: Yesterday 3:00:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: It’s not that “we” never blame anyone else, we just assign blame to the guilty. It’s the trump supporters that can’t accept ANY responsibility to their idol. He literally cannot do wrong to them. It’s always somebody else’s fault… which is a cultish fantasy. You can’t find any big checks that Trump failed to sign when he had the opportunity. He spent tax money recklessly and gave the Dems (who he was allegedly fighting) everything they asked for, when it came to his desk. Trump spends like a democrat. That’s just fact, Did Trump do anything to make himself a more attractive candidate over the last 4 years? No. Did he do any coalition building (which is necessary in a tripartite government)? No - he shot his mouth off with conspiracy bullshit he couldn’t back with any evidence, and the cult ate it like manna from Heaven. This is the real problem. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By nolan7120: Originally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By konger: But the tremendous slide towards socialism under Clinton and especially Obama were okay? I don’t even know anything Trump did that was socialistic. Covid response? C’mon dude. Dude, Trump was directly responsible for the single largest annual redistribution in our nation’s history. More than the 2024 budget for medicaide More than the 2024 budget for Medicare More than the 2024 budget for social security So, yeah. That’s “winning” with Trump. LOL. Here we go again. You guys conveniently ignore Covid's effect on spending, an unprecedented historical event. It doesn't matter who was President, the massive spending would've happened under anyone. Yes, a select few at the top (if they were president) would've vetoed the Congressional bills (Massie, Paul, DeSantis, etc.) but they would've been overridden by Congress. You guys can "what if" all you want, post pictures of signed Trump checks, talk about how he supported it, etc., but it still doesn't change the fact that massive spending would've occurred in 2020 due to Covid, with or without Trump as President. Flame on. Edit: TLDR- blaming it all on Trump is disingenuous. Double edit: I'm not giving Trump a pass because the blame does falls on his shoulders AND many others. That bears repeating - and many others. That's where you guys fall short. You NEVER blame anyone else. It's all Trump's fault. I've probably seen more PPP abuse than most of the posters in this thread. It's sickening. Every fucking person that supported the lockdowns and handouts is to blame for Covid spending. They're all guilty. Stop acting like it's a one man show. It's not. It’s not that “we” never blame anyone else, we just assign blame to the guilty. It’s the trump supporters that can’t accept ANY responsibility to their idol. He literally cannot do wrong to them. It’s always somebody else’s fault… which is a cultish fantasy. You can’t find any big checks that Trump failed to sign when he had the opportunity. He spent tax money recklessly and gave the Dems (who he was allegedly fighting) everything they asked for, when it came to his desk. Trump spends like a democrat. That’s just fact, Did Trump do anything to make himself a more attractive candidate over the last 4 years? No. Did he do any coalition building (which is necessary in a tripartite government)? No - he shot his mouth off with conspiracy bullshit he couldn’t back with any evidence, and the cult ate it like manna from Heaven. This is the real problem. There’s literally people that believe the RE market being fucked and the inflation we see today is to be blamed solely on fjb. They legitimately believe trumps admin/term has nothing to do with it. |
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Posted: Yesterday 3:00:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scarnar: That’s some stupid shit only a Kamala Harris supporter could make up. Trump made the media untrustworthy. How fucking stupid can you get Apparently that whole has no bottom. Whole or hole? |
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Posted: Yesterday 3:01:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liquid77: You can’t spell either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liquid77: Originally Posted By scarnar: “ Republican plans to induce more inflation” How is Joe Biden’s inflation plan treating you? You haven’t listed substantive shit. Then you must love the last 4 years of open border. I bet you believe all the Russia,Russia,Russia shit also. You people need to just say it and come out of the closet. You’re democrats plain and simple. Not even kinda pissy. I just do t suffer fools. You can’t spell either. A common theme. |
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