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Link Posted: 10/12/2022 10:48:27 AM EDT
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Trump was focusing on China. The problem is he took his eyes off Russia. While our intelligence agencies are playing with domestic politics we are blinded to what these two enemies are doing. Since Putin took office, he has been working towards this moment to challenge America and NATO. Russia and China are playing a game of wack-a-mole with us. The solution is to use two hammers. While Russia has its sights on Europe and our allies there, China has its sights on the Pacific and our allies there. Biden was the perfect mark both countries were waiting for. Ukraine is the key to Putin's plans and Taiwan, is the key to China. What China and Russia were not prepared for was the economic chaos neither can stand up to, esp. while sanctions are eating a giant hole in Russia at the same time. Putin was betting on the invasion of Ukraine being over by now. Whoops.
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The ongoing actions and multifaceted soft warfare China is conducting, to bring this country to it's knees, is unbelievably massive in its scale and unbelievably massive as an actual threat to America. No other country comes anywhere close.

To devote this ongoing concern over Russia/Ukraine while China gets back-burnered is absolutely moronic.

This country has ONE major geopolitical threat and that's China. Russia/Ukraine are nothing by comparison. Nothing.

The ongoing devotion and tunnel vision about Russia/Ukraine is mind boggling.

It would be like looking at the Axis powers in WWII and developing an obsession about all things Bulgaria, while Germany absolutely crushes all of Europe. Russia/Ukraine are distractions.


Trump was focusing on China. The problem is he took his eyes off Russia. While our intelligence agencies are playing with domestic politics we are blinded to what these two enemies are doing. Since Putin took office, he has been working towards this moment to challenge America and NATO. Russia and China are playing a game of wack-a-mole with us. The solution is to use two hammers. While Russia has its sights on Europe and our allies there, China has its sights on the Pacific and our allies there. Biden was the perfect mark both countries were waiting for. Ukraine is the key to Putin's plans and Taiwan, is the key to China. What China and Russia were not prepared for was the economic chaos neither can stand up to, esp. while sanctions are eating a giant hole in Russia at the same time. Putin was betting on the invasion of Ukraine being over by now. Whoops.

It looks like you're putting Russia and China on relatively similar geopolitical playing fields and they absolutely are not.

Russia has a GDP that's roughly the same as that of Texas. They aren't anywhere close to the threat China poses.

I understand the concern over Russia invading Ukraine. I also believe that with the overwhelming tentacles China has successfully leveraged against the United States, in innumerable ways, there is simply no rational comparison between the CCP and Russia, they aren't anywhere close to one another in respect to American national security.

China's interests are far from relegated to the Pacific region. Their "long march" is 100% global. The main obstacle is America and as such they have devoted time, resources, people and money to bringing down America in ways Russia couldn't begin to dream of.

In the grand scheme of things, the consequences of Russia invading Ukraine don't even move the needle when compared to China and certainly not in respect to American interests and national security. They aren't remotely close.

This isn't to say Ukraine should be ignored, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. That said, the urgency, the incredible urgency and threat China poses demands vastly more attention, investment, preparation and priority.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/1968704/china-poses-largest-long-term-threat-to-us-dod-policy-chief-says/

https://us-cert.cisa.gov/china

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16705/china-existential-threat

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-pentagon-sizes-up-china-sees-a-serious-military-threat/




Link Posted: 10/12/2022 10:51:19 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/12/2022 1:05:59 PM EDT
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Biden gave Russia his blessings, then it started 3 days later.
As long as it sends Ivan home in a body bag, I'm ok with it.
Link Posted: 10/12/2022 7:22:35 PM EDT
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Well, if you count that as THE threat posed to us by Russia, then the current thing makes no sense because we are increasing the nuclear threat with out interventions, not reducing it.

We are not increasing our nuclear arsenal. As a matter of fact, about 2/3 of the warheads are outdated and in storage or awaiting being dismantled. According to Putin, Russia is increasing and upgrading its arsenal. Yes, a nuclear Russia is a very real threat, esp. since Putin is threatening to use them unless he gets what he wants.
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I keep seeing people say "Russia is our enemy" and "Russia is the #2 threat to the US behind China".

How so, exactly?  They couldn't successfully invade the US if WE provided the fucking transport.  Judging by their UKR performance, they would get exactly 10 miles inland and be WIPED OUT by civilians and cops.

They simply aren't a physical threat.

Unless you count their nukes.

Well, if you count that as THE threat posed to us by Russia, then the current thing makes no sense because we are increasing the nuclear threat with out interventions, not reducing it.

Hmmm.  How about economic threat?

I keep seeing that their GDP is about the same as the State of Vermont.  They are having a population implosion.  Their industries are known for poor QC and poor output.  

So, no, they aren't an economic threat.

That leaves social/cultural.

They are allegedly "Commies".  That isn't an issue, because those who control the United States are also Communists.

What else?

They are a misogynistic, Orthodox Christian nation with primarily Christian traditions.  They are anti LGBT, anti Muslim, and anti-Globalist.  They are extremely nationalist.  

That is the only way they could possibly considered a "threat" and that is only a threat to the Ruling Left.

What am I missing?  


Well, if you count that as THE threat posed to us by Russia, then the current thing makes no sense because we are increasing the nuclear threat with out interventions, not reducing it.

We are not increasing our nuclear arsenal. As a matter of fact, about 2/3 of the warheads are outdated and in storage or awaiting being dismantled. According to Putin, Russia is increasing and upgrading its arsenal. Yes, a nuclear Russia is a very real threat, esp. since Putin is threatening to use them unless he gets what he wants.


So, if what he wants, poses no threat to US in the U.S. why would we intervene and put ourselves into Russia's threat picture?  I've already pointed out that Russia cannot directly threaten us except for with nukes.  So by defending Ukraine we are putting OURSELVES into the nuclear line of fire.  That is....stupid.
Link Posted: 10/12/2022 10:17:29 PM EDT
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Provide references to this.

Sanctions on Russia increased under Trump (e.g. Nordstream 2 sanctions).
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https://apnews.com/article/vladimir-putin-politics-business-donald-trump-jamal-khashoggi-b8572919a8234edb96d56356ca3016e0
There were a couple of these instances, and it was head-scratching enough for both parties to come together and block it. Draw your own conclusions.
Link Posted: 10/12/2022 10:40:07 PM EDT
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So, if what he wants, poses no threat to US in the U.S. why would we intervene and put ourselves into Russia's threat picture?  I've already pointed out that Russia cannot directly threaten us except for with nukes.  So by defending Ukraine we are putting OURSELVES into the nuclear line of fire.  That is....stupid.
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We are already in Russia's threat picture.

Russia is a threat to the USA.

They're only about a mile or so away from the US.
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