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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:53:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. There is a world of difference between "proved it in court according to the rules of doing court the right way" and "we all know that guy is a (whatever) and got away with it." There are many things we can't do that with that are entirely reasonable to believe. For instance, you have to be messed up in the head to think epstein killed himself. But you can't prove it. https://gifdb.com/images/high/wile-e-coyote-road-runner-wall-hit-i65ykyz0mzgp85f3.gif It's like saying you're watching a cartoon and you can't legit believe which character made that dent in that metal wall there. No, you can't prove it. Unless you have more investigation, which is exactly what is and has been denied in this case. You also cannot prove you'll hit the bottom of the canyon if you step off the cliff, either. But you won't step off the cliff. It costs very little to go onto Truth Social, lay it out with the evidence, provide copies to the press and run it like a trial. If you have the goods, why wouldn’t you do that? If Trump did he’d win in ‘24 in a landslide (if the intention is to actually win.) |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:53:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then the system is fucking broken. If I have no way to verify how my paper ballot, which I shoved into a automatic reader, was actually tallied, then then system fucking sucks. He is specifically talking about the legally prescribed manner for members of congress to challenge electoral college votes, and how somehow the events of Jan 6 were orchestrated to deny members of congress that right. It wasn’t, and they weren’t. Further, that poster somehow believes that had the members of congress been allowed the opportunity to challenge the EC votes (which they were), it somehow would have provided “legal standing” in the courtroom for Trump’s lawyers to present their evidence. It is peak delusion not based in the slightest fringe of reality. |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:53:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I have started before, you have to have an actual smoking gun and that’s the problem. Perhaps we shouldn’t do something stupid like locking down the country and allow millions of mail-in votes without a process to verify them again. The wheels of what happened election night ‘20 were set in motion months in advance. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Read the link. If you are an American adult that has watched national elections in the past and you watched 2020 you already know. If you didn't watch election night (and thus this is all so much hearsay to you) or haven't watched previous elections (and thus have no context) I can forgive your ignorance. As I have started before, you have to have an actual smoking gun and that’s the problem. Perhaps we shouldn’t do something stupid like locking down the country and allow millions of mail-in votes without a process to verify them again. The wheels of what happened election night ‘20 were set in motion months in advance. How do you get a smoking gun when you aren't allowed to search for it? When those in power in all the institutions scream that you are a heretic for doing so and do their best to reputation ruin you and ruin your life otherwise? Have you been paying attention to what has happened to the lawyers looking into this stuff? |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:56:12 PM EDT
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The list definitely fits the bill for what I would expect a die hard Trump voter to think “evidence” is. Sad.
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:56:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you get a smoking gun when you aren't allowed to search for it? When those in power in all the institutions scream that you are a heretic for doing so and do their best to reputation ruin you and ruin your life otherwise? Have you been paying attention to what has happened to the lawyers looking into this stuff? The responsibility is on the accuser to prove his/her case. How is this any different than some woman bringing a false rape case against a guy? |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:57:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I giant stack of fresh, unfolded ballots would be very compelling evidence indeed. What would be an acceptable timeframe to produce these ballots? When will we see them? Tomorrow? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Now show evidence those were used in these cases. You're mistaking allegations for evidence. They're alleging that the lack of a crease is evidence of fraud. It isn't actually up to anyone else to disprove that allegation. Its up to them to show that it is what they allege. I’ll state it again. Absentee ballots are to be returned in the PROVIDED envelope - typically an outer envelope that you sign an affidavit for and an inner security envelope with no identifying information. The ballot on every one I’ve ever seen is FOLDED and thus has a crease. No crease IS the evidence that it was not properly handled and was not included in the affidavit envelope. Now if these boards of elections use large envelopes and non-folding ballots, I can see how it can happen, but I’ve been doing election security for damn near 30 years and have not seen that if for no other reason than the extra cost of postage that boards of elections are trying to avoid. Infinitely cheaper to mail folded ballots than unfolded ones, and they fit in smaller apartment mailboxes better (think security rather than leaving them in overflow bins where junk mail goes). The only ballots I’ve ever seen or cast that were not folded were ones filled out at a polling place and run through a machine at time of casting. Even affidavit ballots for those who might not be on the rolls but believe they should be able to vote are FOLDED and placed inside a sealed envelope with the voter and a poll worker signing the sealed envelope. I giant stack of fresh, unfolded ballots would be very compelling evidence indeed. What would be an acceptable timeframe to produce these ballots? When will we see them? Tomorrow? Do you know what happens to ballots after they are certified and there is no judicial order to retain them? That’s right, they typically are destroyed. If the left was so convinced that they won legitimately, why the rush to destroy ballots? Why the rush to erase electronic records? Why prevent the other side from examining the tally fully? When you run from sunshine what are you trying to hide? Some states require that they be held for a period of time, Oregon is 22 months after the election. Georgia retains their records for two years. The election in question was November 2020… it is January 2024… do the math sir. |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:57:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Total Trump supporter here, but WTF didn't he release all that stuff 3 years ago? I never understood any of that. I saw the videos where they kicked the watchers out, then pulled the tubs of stuffed ballots out from under the table. @Jodan1776 We have been screaming about it. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/He-didn-t-win-the-election/5-2562820/?r=99278695&page=8&anc=99278695#i99278695 If you want to see the discussion of this stuff, in raw form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSDZkXxFVEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rri6flxaXww https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0-vyw9qbdw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUjTOSDZ0BE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS51Uh1oUlQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-44TVFRk6U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35f4pUIYOg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFs0Jag1Msc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDiNAqFOvcY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PxOYdYCFPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCfU2KizzdM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7scSfpwnqw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM6q5sstAaE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epqHpxY-ASo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2JndZDZXBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4cuakECmuA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ZP_HpBKos The state hearings discussing this stuff. They are all painfully long and have bad audio. I would tell you that you can ignore the colonel's expert testimony. Just listen to the testimony of the people who were direclty involved and witnessed what happened. There are people who have been out "crying in the desert" about this stuff for years now. |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:58:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The responsibility is on the accuser to prove his/her case. How is this any different than some woman bringing a false rape case against a guy? We watched the rape occur in real time. |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:58:43 PM EDT
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"Well, turns out Trump won in 2020 after all so he has technically been president for two terms. Unfortunately that means Trumo is ineligible to be elected in 2024. Enjoy Biden 2024-2032.
Love, The uniparty swamp" |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:59:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The media will bury it? Lame excuse, let’s see it, there are plenty of non-MSM avenues. How long can Trump go without showing any details before you’d accept that he’s full of shit? He should do an Operation Warp Speed that’s election fraud details. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems like there are a number of things they should show the details of right now that would completely blow the lid off if real, so what are they waiting for? Again, the fact that those items of seemingly critical magnitude are dispersed among a bunch of nonsense and generalities makes them seem less credible. They conducted the investigation, they don’t need a trial to show the results, so they should lay out the details right now. Sure and the media will get right on making it widely disseminated and will check it out honestly Don’t worry, you won’t have to worry about Trump 2024 Your co-religionists NeverTrump RINOs or dems—whichever you are will lawfare this one so the fraud will be less critical though there will be plenty The media will bury it? Lame excuse, let’s see it, there are plenty of non-MSM avenues. How long can Trump go without showing any details before you’d accept that he’s full of shit? He should do an Operation Warp Speed that’s election fraud details. This is proof posted in OP. You think that Joe Biden got 81 million valid votes? I bet day after election when we were all seeing the irregularities you were sayinfg “no proof” “trump is crazy” and opposed any investigation Are you Hunter Biden? |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:59:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump paid me to find voter fraud. Then he lied after I found 2020 election wasn't stolen. This article originally appeared on USA TODAY Ken Block Tue, January 2, 2024 Ken Block owns Simpatico Software Systems and is the author of "Disproven: My Unbiased Search for Voter Fraud for the Trump Campaign, the Data That Shows Why He Lost, and How We Can Improve Our Elections," coming out on March 12. Can a steady diet of lies and innuendo overcome the truth? In November 2020, former President Donald Trump asserted that voter fraud had altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. The day after the election, his campaign hired an expert in voter data to attempt to prove Trump’s allegations and put him back in the White House. I am the expert who was hired by the Trump campaign. The findings of my company’s in-depth analysis are detailed in the depositions taken by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. The transcripts show that the campaign found no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of any election. That message was communicated directly to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. Our findings have also been subpoenaed by special counsel Jack Smith’s federal investigation and Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ investigation in Georgia. Those emails and documents show that the voter data available to the campaign contained no evidence of large-scale voter fraud based on data mining and fraud analytics. More important, claims of voter fraud made by others were verified as false, including proof of why those claims were disproven. And yet, the cries that the election was lost or stolen due to voter fraud continue with no sign of stopping. Whether a stump speech, outrageous lawsuits like the so-called Kraken cases filed by Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani’s lies or the ongoing misguided efforts of people determined to prove the election was stolen, the constant drumbeat hardens people’s hearts and minds to the truth about the 2020 election. Rudy Giuliani lied about voter fraud in Georgia It’s part of a steady diet of innuendo, misrepresentations and outright lies when it comes to the issue of voter fraud. Giuliani admitted he lied about Ruby Freeman and her daughter committing election crimes in Georgia. Stories that set the record straight about election innuendo are not typically broadcast in right-leaning media, which means that millions of people receive no information to help them make a more informed decision about what happened in 2020. What these claims don’t take into account is that voter fraud is detectable, quantifiable and verifiable. I have yet to see anyone offer up “evidence” of voter fraud from the 2020 election that provides these three things. My company’s contract with the campaign obligated us to deliver evidence of voter fraud that could be defended in a court of law. The small amount of voter fraud I found was bipartisan, with about as many Republicans casting duplicate votes as Democrats. This is a crime of privilege: Those with two homes sometimes take two bites of the electoral apple. There were also small numbers of deceased voters. Still, nothing emerged that could provide a solid basis for a legal challenge to an election result in any of the states we evaluated. Additional legal hurdles beyond solid evidence of fraud stand in the way of any effort to overturn or negate an election result through our legal system. Even if it could be shown that more fraudulent votes were cast in a state than the margin of victory in 2020, no one can determine for which candidate each fraudulent ballot was cast. Trump's claims of voter fraud have no foundation in the truth We vote anonymously - with good reason. No candidate can credibly claim that a fraudulent vote was credited to their opponent unless the person who cast that vote tells us. This means that a candidate trying to use voter fraud as the reason to change an election result cannot show that the fraudulent votes caused their election loss. Opinion alerts: Get columns from your favorite columnists + expert analysis on top issues, delivered straight to your device through the USA TODAY app. Don't have the app? Download it for free from your app store. As a former gubernatorial candidate, I can admire the discipline it takes to stay on message on a single issue. There is no doubt that voter fraud can animate people. But it is one thing to provide a rallying point for supporters and quite another to drag our election infrastructure and legal system into a foundationless set of false claims. A better use of time, money and energy would be to address systemic weaknesses in our election systems – such as the distressing lack of national election infrastructure to enforce election integrity, destructive practices to our elections such as gerrymandering, and leveling the playing field so that our elections become fairer and more competitive. If voter fraud had impacted the 2020 election, it would already have been proven. Maintaining the lies undermines faith in the foundation of our democracy. How you can know this guy is full of it: How do you disprove claims when there was no discovery? When you say something is disproven, for you to be right, there had to be an investigation appropriate to the things you are claiming. |
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Posted: 1/3/2024 11:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The senate was closed up pretty much in just the instant before pence would have kicked it to the house. The timing was too perfect. Never trust a parliamentarian to be fair in a hotly contested election over the control of a branch of government that is nearly life and death important to those in power. We also know there were provacateurs goading people into going in. Watch the timeline: https://open.ink/collections/j6 There is nothing that pence would have “kicked to the house”. The law is very precise on how objections are to be made, and then adjudicated. And nothing happened to prevent the process from taking place. The count may have been delayed several hours during the mostly peaceful protest, but nothing stopped congress from making their objections once it resumed. Here is the law, if you’d like a refresher. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2014-title3/html/USCODE-2014-title3-chap1-sec15.htm |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:00:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know what happens to ballots after they are certified and there is no judicial order to retain them? That’s right, they typically are destroyed. If the left was so convinced that they won legitimately, why the rush to destroy ballots? Why the rush to erase electronic records? Why prevent the other side from examining the tally fully? When you run from sunshine what are you trying to hide? Some states require that they be held for a period of time, Oregon is 22 months after the election. Georgia retains their records for two years. The election in question was November 2020… it is January 2024… do the math sir. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Now show evidence those were used in these cases. You're mistaking allegations for evidence. They're alleging that the lack of a crease is evidence of fraud. It isn't actually up to anyone else to disprove that allegation. Its up to them to show that it is what they allege. I’ll state it again. Absentee ballots are to be returned in the PROVIDED envelope - typically an outer envelope that you sign an affidavit for and an inner security envelope with no identifying information. The ballot on every one I’ve ever seen is FOLDED and thus has a crease. No crease IS the evidence that it was not properly handled and was not included in the affidavit envelope. Now if these boards of elections use large envelopes and non-folding ballots, I can see how it can happen, but I’ve been doing election security for damn near 30 years and have not seen that if for no other reason than the extra cost of postage that boards of elections are trying to avoid. Infinitely cheaper to mail folded ballots than unfolded ones, and they fit in smaller apartment mailboxes better (think security rather than leaving them in overflow bins where junk mail goes). The only ballots I’ve ever seen or cast that were not folded were ones filled out at a polling place and run through a machine at time of casting. Even affidavit ballots for those who might not be on the rolls but believe they should be able to vote are FOLDED and placed inside a sealed envelope with the voter and a poll worker signing the sealed envelope. I giant stack of fresh, unfolded ballots would be very compelling evidence indeed. What would be an acceptable timeframe to produce these ballots? When will we see them? Tomorrow? Do you know what happens to ballots after they are certified and there is no judicial order to retain them? That’s right, they typically are destroyed. If the left was so convinced that they won legitimately, why the rush to destroy ballots? Why the rush to erase electronic records? Why prevent the other side from examining the tally fully? When you run from sunshine what are you trying to hide? Some states require that they be held for a period of time, Oregon is 22 months after the election. Georgia retains their records for two years. The election in question was November 2020… it is January 2024… do the math sir. Then how do they know giant stacks of Biden only unfolded ballots were injected into the system? |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:01:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you been keeping up with the 22 AZ thread? Ever heard of Dino Rossi of WA state? This is the norm now. Yes, I remember all of that. Franken, Rossi, all of them. It *used* to be that the margin of cheating was pretty small, when a single trunk full of unaccounted for ballots could sway an election. Or a random thumb drive (CIA stooge here). The problem is that when you facilitate voting by mail en masse then the margin of cheating is now tens of thousands. You can't hand the left the one thing they've wanted my entire lifetime - mail-in ballots - and then complain about fraud from mail-in ballots. That was supremely stupid. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:01:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The list definitely fits the bill for what I would expect a die hard Trump voter to think "evidence" is. Sad. It's about having faith in our electoral systems to be true and accurate, regardless of the outcome. If every recount produces a different result, how satisfied are you that ANY count is truly accurate and faithful? |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:01:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It costs very little to go onto Truth Social, lay it out with the evidence, provide copies to the press and run it like a trial. If you have the goods, why wouldn’t you do that? If Trump did he’d win in ‘24 in a landslide (if the intention is to actually win.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No. There is a world of difference between "proved it in court according to the rules of doing court the right way" and "we all know that guy is a (whatever) and got away with it." There are many things we can't do that with that are entirely reasonable to believe. For instance, you have to be messed up in the head to think epstein killed himself. But you can't prove it. https://gifdb.com/images/high/wile-e-coyote-road-runner-wall-hit-i65ykyz0mzgp85f3.gif It's like saying you're watching a cartoon and you can't legit believe which character made that dent in that metal wall there. No, you can't prove it. Unless you have more investigation, which is exactly what is and has been denied in this case. You also cannot prove you'll hit the bottom of the canyon if you step off the cliff, either. But you won't step off the cliff. It costs very little to go onto Truth Social, lay it out with the evidence, provide copies to the press and run it like a trial. If you have the goods, why wouldn’t you do that? If Trump did he’d win in ‘24 in a landslide (if the intention is to actually win.) Truth social can't force discovery. But yes, this stuff should have been front and center, not the kraken smartmatic nonsense. And t here were people in corners yelling loudly that they should have been. We have people and threads on this forum that have been documenting this stuff: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/AZ-audit-AZ-Audit-Hearing-6-27-22-pulitzer-paper-analysis/5-2475195/?page=1 CM and dagoose deserve medals for that thread. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:02:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is proof posted in OP. You think that Joe Biden got 81 million valid votes? I bet day after election when we were all seeing the irregularities you were sayinfg “no proof” “trump is crazy” and opposed any investigation Are you Hunter Biden? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems like there are a number of things they should show the details of right now that would completely blow the lid off if real, so what are they waiting for? Again, the fact that those items of seemingly critical magnitude are dispersed among a bunch of nonsense and generalities makes them seem less credible. They conducted the investigation, they don’t need a trial to show the results, so they should lay out the details right now. Sure and the media will get right on making it widely disseminated and will check it out honestly Don’t worry, you won’t have to worry about Trump 2024 Your co-religionists NeverTrump RINOs or dems—whichever you are will lawfare this one so the fraud will be less critical though there will be plenty The media will bury it? Lame excuse, let’s see it, there are plenty of non-MSM avenues. How long can Trump go without showing any details before you’d accept that he’s full of shit? He should do an Operation Warp Speed that’s election fraud details. This is proof posted in OP. You think that Joe Biden got 81 million valid votes? I bet day after election when we were all seeing the irregularities you were sayinfg “no proof” “trump is crazy” and opposed any investigation Are you Hunter Biden? The claims are in the link. Some of these claims must have evidence behind them that can be displayed. Right??? Let’s see it. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:03:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How you can know this guy is full of it: How do you disprove claims when there was no discovery? When you say something is disproven, for you to be right, there had to be an investigation appropriate to the things you are claiming. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump paid me to find voter fraud. Then he lied after I found 2020 election wasn't stolen. This article originally appeared on USA TODAY Ken Block Tue, January 2, 2024 Ken Block owns Simpatico Software Systems and is the author of "Disproven: My Unbiased Search for Voter Fraud for the Trump Campaign, the Data That Shows Why He Lost, and How We Can Improve Our Elections," coming out on March 12. Can a steady diet of lies and innuendo overcome the truth? In November 2020, former President Donald Trump asserted that voter fraud had altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. The day after the election, his campaign hired an expert in voter data to attempt to prove Trump’s allegations and put him back in the White House. I am the expert who was hired by the Trump campaign. The findings of my company’s in-depth analysis are detailed in the depositions taken by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. The transcripts show that the campaign found no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of any election. That message was communicated directly to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. Our findings have also been subpoenaed by special counsel Jack Smith’s federal investigation and Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ investigation in Georgia. Those emails and documents show that the voter data available to the campaign contained no evidence of large-scale voter fraud based on data mining and fraud analytics. More important, claims of voter fraud made by others were verified as false, including proof of why those claims were disproven. And yet, the cries that the election was lost or stolen due to voter fraud continue with no sign of stopping. Whether a stump speech, outrageous lawsuits like the so-called Kraken cases filed by Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani’s lies or the ongoing misguided efforts of people determined to prove the election was stolen, the constant drumbeat hardens people’s hearts and minds to the truth about the 2020 election. Rudy Giuliani lied about voter fraud in Georgia It’s part of a steady diet of innuendo, misrepresentations and outright lies when it comes to the issue of voter fraud. Giuliani admitted he lied about Ruby Freeman and her daughter committing election crimes in Georgia. Stories that set the record straight about election innuendo are not typically broadcast in right-leaning media, which means that millions of people receive no information to help them make a more informed decision about what happened in 2020. What these claims don’t take into account is that voter fraud is detectable, quantifiable and verifiable. I have yet to see anyone offer up “evidence” of voter fraud from the 2020 election that provides these three things. My company’s contract with the campaign obligated us to deliver evidence of voter fraud that could be defended in a court of law. The small amount of voter fraud I found was bipartisan, with about as many Republicans casting duplicate votes as Democrats. This is a crime of privilege: Those with two homes sometimes take two bites of the electoral apple. There were also small numbers of deceased voters. Still, nothing emerged that could provide a solid basis for a legal challenge to an election result in any of the states we evaluated. Additional legal hurdles beyond solid evidence of fraud stand in the way of any effort to overturn or negate an election result through our legal system. Even if it could be shown that more fraudulent votes were cast in a state than the margin of victory in 2020, no one can determine for which candidate each fraudulent ballot was cast. Trump's claims of voter fraud have no foundation in the truth We vote anonymously - with good reason. No candidate can credibly claim that a fraudulent vote was credited to their opponent unless the person who cast that vote tells us. This means that a candidate trying to use voter fraud as the reason to change an election result cannot show that the fraudulent votes caused their election loss. Opinion alerts: Get columns from your favorite columnists + expert analysis on top issues, delivered straight to your device through the USA TODAY app. Don't have the app? Download it for free from your app store. As a former gubernatorial candidate, I can admire the discipline it takes to stay on message on a single issue. There is no doubt that voter fraud can animate people. But it is one thing to provide a rallying point for supporters and quite another to drag our election infrastructure and legal system into a foundationless set of false claims. A better use of time, money and energy would be to address systemic weaknesses in our election systems – such as the distressing lack of national election infrastructure to enforce election integrity, destructive practices to our elections such as gerrymandering, and leveling the playing field so that our elections become fairer and more competitive. If voter fraud had impacted the 2020 election, it would already have been proven. Maintaining the lies undermines faith in the foundation of our democracy. How you can know this guy is full of it: How do you disprove claims when there was no discovery? When you say something is disproven, for you to be right, there had to be an investigation appropriate to the things you are claiming. Yeah, but those sweet book royalties and invites to morning talk shows If you accept all the ballot harvesting and no verification and illegally accepting mail in ballots as legit |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:03:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The responsibility is on the accuser to prove his/her case. How is this any different than some woman bringing a false rape case against a guy? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How do you get a smoking gun when you aren't allowed to search for it? When those in power in all the institutions scream that you are a heretic for doing so and do their best to reputation ruin you and ruin your life otherwise? Have you been paying attention to what has happened to the lawyers looking into this stuff? The responsibility is on the accuser to prove his/her case. How is this any different than some woman bringing a false rape case against a guy? They TRIED to get the courts to allow them to prove it. They wouldn't even let them. All the investigations outside of the courts were slow walked and fought tooth and nail. The ignorance and weird way people think on the topic of the 2020 election is stunning. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:04:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then how do they know giant stacks of Biden only unfolded ballots were injected into the system? I suppose you could go read the footnotes in the actual report, not the bulleted summary. You know, if you truly are interested. 
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:04:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know what happens to ballots after they are certified and there is no judicial order to retain them? That’s right, they typically are destroyed. If the left was so convinced that they won legitimately, why the rush to destroy ballots? Why the rush to erase electronic records? Why prevent the other side from examining the tally fully? When you run from sunshine what are you trying to hide? Some states require that they be held for a period of time, Oregon is 22 months after the election. Georgia retains their records for two years. The election in question was November 2020… it is January 2024… do the math sir. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Now show evidence those were used in these cases. You're mistaking allegations for evidence. They're alleging that the lack of a crease is evidence of fraud. It isn't actually up to anyone else to disprove that allegation. Its up to them to show that it is what they allege. I’ll state it again. Absentee ballots are to be returned in the PROVIDED envelope - typically an outer envelope that you sign an affidavit for and an inner security envelope with no identifying information. The ballot on every one I’ve ever seen is FOLDED and thus has a crease. No crease IS the evidence that it was not properly handled and was not included in the affidavit envelope. Now if these boards of elections use large envelopes and non-folding ballots, I can see how it can happen, but I’ve been doing election security for damn near 30 years and have not seen that if for no other reason than the extra cost of postage that boards of elections are trying to avoid. Infinitely cheaper to mail folded ballots than unfolded ones, and they fit in smaller apartment mailboxes better (think security rather than leaving them in overflow bins where junk mail goes). The only ballots I’ve ever seen or cast that were not folded were ones filled out at a polling place and run through a machine at time of casting. Even affidavit ballots for those who might not be on the rolls but believe they should be able to vote are FOLDED and placed inside a sealed envelope with the voter and a poll worker signing the sealed envelope. I giant stack of fresh, unfolded ballots would be very compelling evidence indeed. What would be an acceptable timeframe to produce these ballots? When will we see them? Tomorrow? Do you know what happens to ballots after they are certified and there is no judicial order to retain them? That’s right, they typically are destroyed. If the left was so convinced that they won legitimately, why the rush to destroy ballots? Why the rush to erase electronic records? Why prevent the other side from examining the tally fully? When you run from sunshine what are you trying to hide? Some states require that they be held for a period of time, Oregon is 22 months after the election. Georgia retains their records for two years. The election in question was November 2020… it is January 2024… do the math sir. In georgia they caught them shredding ballots. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:05:03 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They TRIED to get the courts to allow them to prove it. They wouldn't even let them. All the investigations outside of the courts were slow walked and fought tooth and nail. The ignorance and weird way people think on the topic of the 2020 election is stunning. And what happened then during discovery in Guiliani’s civil suit? |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:05:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:05:43 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are claims, not evidence, and many don’t point to anything specific. Sorry, cope harder guys. But try not tor commit fraud while you do. Correct, but the Trump cult will be after your head for pointing out the Emperor has no clothes. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:06:22 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The claims are in the link. Some of these claims must have evidence behind them that can be displayed. Right??? Let’s see it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems like there are a number of things they should show the details of right now that would completely blow the lid off if real, so what are they waiting for? Again, the fact that those items of seemingly critical magnitude are dispersed among a bunch of nonsense and generalities makes them seem less credible. They conducted the investigation, they don’t need a trial to show the results, so they should lay out the details right now. Sure and the media will get right on making it widely disseminated and will check it out honestly Don’t worry, you won’t have to worry about Trump 2024 Your co-religionists NeverTrump RINOs or dems—whichever you are will lawfare this one so the fraud will be less critical though there will be plenty The media will bury it? Lame excuse, let’s see it, there are plenty of non-MSM avenues. How long can Trump go without showing any details before you’d accept that he’s full of shit? He should do an Operation Warp Speed that’s election fraud details. This is proof posted in OP. You think that Joe Biden got 81 million valid votes? I bet day after election when we were all seeing the irregularities you were sayinfg “no proof” “trump is crazy” and opposed any investigation Are you Hunter Biden? The claims are in the link. Some of these claims must have evidence behind them that can be displayed. Right??? Let’s see it. I realize you are a lazy democrat but open the pdf Read sources Come back |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:06:25 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are claims, not evidence, and many don’t point to anything specific. Sorry, cope harder guys. But try not tor commit fraud while you do. LuuuuuuuuuL TDS 
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:06:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is nothing that pence would have “kicked to the house”. The law is very precise on how objections are to be made, and then adjudicated. And nothing happened to prevent the process from taking place. The count may have been delayed several hours during the mostly peaceful protest, but nothing stopped congress from making their objections once it resumed. Here is the law, if you’d like a refresher. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2014-title3/html/USCODE-2014-title3-chap1-sec15.htm Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The senate was closed up pretty much in just the instant before pence would have kicked it to the house. The timing was too perfect. Never trust a parliamentarian to be fair in a hotly contested election over the control of a branch of government that is nearly life and death important to those in power. We also know there were provacateurs goading people into going in. Watch the timeline: https://open.ink/collections/j6 There is nothing that pence would have “kicked to the house”. The law is very precise on how objections are to be made, and then adjudicated. And nothing happened to prevent the process from taking place. The count may have been delayed several hours during the mostly peaceful protest, but nothing stopped congress from making their objections once it resumed. Here is the law, if you’d like a refresher. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2014-title3/html/USCODE-2014-title3-chap1-sec15.htm You're right, but in a way that aligns exactly with what I said. Guess who was going to get up and contest the certification and start providing the numbers required to kick it over. You don't get a cookie or a cigar if you guess right. The senat was closed down at the perfect instance to keep them from doing it so pence could kick it over. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:06:56 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing will happen. ETA: except maybe another indictment for Trump for pointing out that stuff. Yep. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:07:22 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LuuuuuuuuuL TDS Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Those are claims, not evidence, and many don’t point to anything specific. Sorry, cope harder guys. But try not tor commit fraud while you do. LuuuuuuuuuL TDS Stage 4 |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:07:31 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct, but the Trump cult will be after your head for pointing out the Emperor has no clothes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Those are claims, not evidence, and many don’t point to anything specific. Sorry, cope harder guys. But try not tor commit fraud while you do. Correct, but the Trump cult will be after your head for pointing out the Emperor has no clothes. The best way to prove he has no clothes would be a thorough, honest, and independent investigation… but we don’t have that. If the election was truly on the up and up, conducting said investigation would destroy Trump and decimate the GOP. Why wouldn’t you do that if you were the dems? |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:07:56 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro, it's not about being a "die hard Trump voter" It's about having faith in our electoral systems to be true and accurate, regardless of the outcome. If every recount produces a different result, how satisfied are you that ANY count is truly accurate and faithful? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The list definitely fits the bill for what I would expect a die hard Trump voter to think "evidence" is. Sad. It's about having faith in our electoral systems to be true and accurate, regardless of the outcome. If every recount produces a different result, how satisfied are you that ANY count is truly accurate and faithful? And also, something that likely isn't thought of: Recounts only ... recount. They do not forensically audit the votes nor the process of the counts. In that specific thing, they can be and are used "for show." But we allowed you to recount!!! |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:09:32 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Admit it - there are no circumstances where Trump will ever accept the results if he's not the winner. That's fourth grade bullshit. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:09:47 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the water pipes did not break? Not even a leftist liberal bullshit clogged toilet! |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:09:53 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are claims, not evidence, and many don’t point to anything specific. Sorry, cope harder guys. But try not tor commit fraud while you do. The adjective of the day is complicit. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:10:10 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And what happened then during discovery in Guiliani’s civil suit? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They TRIED to get the courts to allow them to prove it. They wouldn't even let them. All the investigations outside of the courts were slow walked and fought tooth and nail. The ignorance and weird way people think on the topic of the 2020 election is stunning. And what happened then during discovery in Guiliani’s civil suit? I didn't watch that case. If you think it has meaningful and useful info please link to good (originals if you can find them) sources. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:11:28 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The best way to prove he has no clothes would be a thorough, honest, and independent investigation… but we don’t have that. If the election was truly on the up and up, conducting said investigation would destroy Trump and decimate the GOP. Why wouldn’t you do that if you were the dems? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Those are claims, not evidence, and many don’t point to anything specific. Sorry, cope harder guys. But try not tor commit fraud while you do. Correct, but the Trump cult will be after your head for pointing out the Emperor has no clothes. The best way to prove he has no clothes would be a thorough, honest, and independent investigation… but we don’t have that. If the election was truly on the up and up, conducting said investigation would destroy Trump and decimate the GOP. Why wouldn’t you do that if you were the dems? For one ... you wouldn't because you knew things were shady as all get out and your side had given a jailhouse confession: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:11:57 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They TRIED to get the courts to allow them to prove it. They wouldn't even let them. All the investigations outside of the courts were slow walked and fought tooth and nail. The ignorance and weird way people think on the topic of the 2020 election is stunning.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:15:37 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right, but in a way that aligns exactly with what I said. Guess who was going to get up and contest the certification and start providing the numbers required to kick it over. You don't get a cookie or a cigar if you guess right. The senat was closed down at the perfect instance to keep them from doing it so pence could kick it over. I really think you need to re-read the applicable US Code. I linked it a few pages ago. There are no “numbers required to kick it over”. It simply requires one member of the house and one member of the senate to object to a state’s electoral votes before each chamber retires and deliberates. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:17:13 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't watch that case. If you think it has meaningful and useful info please link to good (originals if you can find them) sources. He was ordered by the judge to turn over whatever evidence he had in support of his election fraud claims in Georgia, specifically related to his accusations towards the election workers he said were committing the fraud. Guess what he was able to provide? |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:18:03 AM EDT
[#40]
Relitigating 2020 will accomplish exactly nothing. Except maybe to get the electorate riled up against Trump again. Gonna hand the vote to the Dems. Good plan.
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:20:19 AM EDT
[#41]
Brain damaged senile kids say the DARNEDEST things.
 Joe Biden Finally Tells The Truth It's almost like we were being mocked. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:21:23 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really think you need to re-read the applicable US Code. I linked it a few pages ago. There are no “numbers required to kick it over”. It simply requires one member of the house and one member of the senate to object to a state’s electoral votes before each chamber retires and deliberates. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're right, but in a way that aligns exactly with what I said. Guess who was going to get up and contest the certification and start providing the numbers required to kick it over. You don't get a cookie or a cigar if you guess right. The senat was closed down at the perfect instance to keep them from doing it so pence could kick it over. I really think you need to re-read the applicable US Code. I linked it a few pages ago. There are no “numbers required to kick it over”. It simply requires one member of the house and one member of the senate to object to a state’s electoral votes before each chamber retires and deliberates. "one" is a number. Objection was about to happen. They were sitting on the bench right there ready to go. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:21:55 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was ordered by the judge to turn over whatever evidence he had in support of his election fraud claims in Georgia, specifically related to his accusations towards the election workers he said were committing the fraud. Guess what he was able to provide? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I didn't watch that case. If you think it has meaningful and useful info please link to good (originals if you can find them) sources. He was ordered by the judge to turn over whatever evidence he had in support of his election fraud claims in Georgia, specifically related to his accusations towards the election workers he said were committing the fraud. Guess what he was able to provide? I don't trust you. I asked for a link. ETA: just like I expect you to not trust me. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:22:47 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Relitigating 2020 will accomplish exactly nothing. Except maybe to get the electorate riled up against Trump again. Gonna hand the vote to the Dems. Good plan. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:23:09 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Relitigating 2020 will accomplish exactly nothing. Except maybe to get the electorate riled up against Trump again. Gonna hand the vote to the Dems. Good plan. 
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:23:34 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "one" is a number. Objection was about to happen. They were sitting on the bench right there ready to go. And when the counting resumed at midnight, after protestors were cleared from the Capitol building, all those same congressmen and senators could have made their objections then. There was no denial of legal process to thwart any EC count objections, as the poster I was initially responding to claimed. |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:23:51 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Relitigating 2020 will accomplish exactly nothing. Except maybe to get the electorate riled up against Trump again. Gonna hand the vote to the Dems. Good plan. So you refuse to discuss whether or not the 2020 national election was compromised and we should move on? |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:25:08 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or it could be properly investigated and if impropriety is found, the guilty punished and steps taken to strengthen the voting process so it can't happen again. The added benefit is faith in the election process is restored. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Relitigating 2020 will accomplish exactly nothing. Except maybe to get the electorate riled up against Trump again. Gonna hand the vote to the Dems. Good plan. Yup I believe Trump “won” the election but Biden became president. Arguing over the fact that Trump is the legitimate president is foolish. I also know that short of a republican getting in, nobody of any consequence will be held accountable in any meaningful way. At this point it is about identifying and remedying the faults in the system so it never happens again. Amazing that when WE supervise OTHER countries elections we implement all of the safeguards we claim can’t be implemented here… |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:25:38 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was ordered by the judge to turn over whatever evidence he had in support of his election fraud claims in Georgia, specifically related to his accusations towards the election workers he said were committing the fraud. Guess what he was able to provide? |
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Posted: 1/4/2024 12:26:00 AM EDT
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There is a full 32 page report with citations for the claims.
You N_T's don't want to discuss the receipts. |
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