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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:28:54 PM EDT
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I've used 3 no-spill systems on vehicles and not a problem.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:30:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing more trivial than a dirty engine/components or tools.  
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. me too, you save what a minute at most ea oil change? |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:31:57 PM EDT
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These literally make no sense. If you're down by the drain plug anyways to open the valve/place hose on it, why not just pull the god damned drain plug and do it the correct way without creating and area for a possible leak?
Besides, the drain plug is usually the easy part, the filter is what can be a motherfucker. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:33:53 PM EDT
[#5]
Pros:
Easier to take oil samples. Sometimes if they’re in odd spots, you can attach a hose to it so you don’t have to remove a skid plate or panel for remote drain. Cons: Something else to add. Can technically fail. Have both. No strong feeling one way or another. If the piece of equipment needs oil samples pulled before regular changes, it makes life much easier. Most large/super large equipment has a version of it, to a full out waste oil pump out system depending on the size. Mega large engines and machines you can change the oil while the machine is working. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:34:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been 10-15 years since most manufacturers called for 5k mile oil changes. Most now have the OCI at 7500-10k miles Yes and I work for one of those manufactures as a master tech. Honda oil change minders can go 16k between services. This is to lower advertised cost of maint. We regularly replace timing chains for people who follow maint minders due to stretch, setting dtcs and jumping time which requires valve work. We do not have to do them on customers who follow our 5k mile recommendation. This was brought up with foxtrot and I was told that the stretching of timing chains was still being worked on as far as a standard. I Change my oil with synthetic very 5k the same as every other tech that I work with. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:36:42 PM EDT
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I have one on my canister oil filter on the aftermarket filter housing of my Land Cruiser. It is above the skid plates. No worries
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes and I work for one of those manufactures as a master tech. Honda oil change minders can go 16k between services. This is to lower advertised cost of maint. We regularly replace timing chains for people who follow maint minders due to stretch, setting dtcs and jumping time which requires valve work. We do not have to do them on customers who follow our 5k mile recommendation. This was brought up with foxtrot and I was told that the stretching of timing chains was still being worked on as far as a standard. I Change my oil with synthetic very 5k the same as every other tech that I work with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's been 10-15 years since most manufacturers called for 5k mile oil changes. Most now have the OCI at 7500-10k miles Yes and I work for one of those manufactures as a master tech. Honda oil change minders can go 16k between services. This is to lower advertised cost of maint. We regularly replace timing chains for people who follow maint minders due to stretch, setting dtcs and jumping time which requires valve work. We do not have to do them on customers who follow our 5k mile recommendation. This was brought up with foxtrot and I was told that the stretching of timing chains was still being worked on as far as a standard. I Change my oil with synthetic very 5k the same as every other tech that I work with. Chain wear is now a API / ILSAC SP/GF6 test. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:39:08 PM EDT
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Fumoto on my F150.
I should have put one on it YEARS ago. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:40:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes and I work for one of those manufactures as a master tech. Honda oil change minders can go 16k between services. This is to lower advertised cost of maint. We regularly replace timing chains for people who follow maint minders due to stretch, setting dtcs and jumping time which requires valve work. We do not have to do them on customers who follow our 5k mile recommendation. This was brought up with foxtrot and I was told that the stretching of timing chains was still being worked on as far as a standard. I Change my oil with synthetic very 5k the same as every other tech that I work with. I do 3K on the Jeeps and pickup (all early-mid 80's that are seldom driven), 5K on my 94 Accord and the kid's 2011 Mazda 6, and 10K on the wife's GX (GX gets 8 quarts of Mobil 1. With that capacity and using good syn oil, I figure it's good for the factory 10K recommendation) I'll roll over 300K on the Accord next month sometime. Oil is cheap and easy to change. No engine issues ever. My sister went by the "maint minder" on her 2010 Accord and that damn thing was using oil at 80K. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:42:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: me too, you save what a minute at most ea oil change? It's about the mess more than a time savings from loosening one bolt. I'm afraid to put one on my truck, but it would sure be nice to be able to hook up a hose. Pull the drain plug, oil drops into drain pan, and inevitably some spills on the ground. Then you have to dump from the pan into a jug, and inevitable a few more drops will spill. Then you have to take simple green and clean all the spilled oil up. Would be nice just to run a hose straight to the jug. So I get the attraction for sure. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do 3K on the Jeeps and pickup (all early-mid 80's that are seldom driven), 5K on my 94 Accord and the kid's 2011 Mazda 6, and 10K on the wife's GX (GX gets 8 quarts of Mobil 1. With that capacity and using good syn oil, I figure it's good for the factory 10K recommendation) I'll roll over 300K on the Accord next month sometime. Oil is cheap and easy to change. No engine issues ever. My sister went by the "maint minder" on her 2010 Accord and that damn thing was using oil at 80K. That wasn’t your sisters fault. That was mandated low tension rings. Thank the epa. If it was a 4 cyl it had an oil consumption warranty extension and the v6 had a fouling out plug extension. Both done by Honda but epa mandated ring specs are what cause the issue. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:44:06 PM EDT
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Amazed at all the opposition to these in this thread
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:45:20 PM EDT
[#14]
Why install one ?
I can change my oil EASILY and faster without having to remove the fabric cover over the pan. I simply slip a drain hose on the valve and open it . Also it does not matter if its windy or not , the oil goes exactly where I drain it. I dicked around a while debating getting one or not and after putting it on its like using toilet paper Vs a corn cob for other work. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:47:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have one of these also for my F-150. Works pretty well and saves a potential big mess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I put a Ronin oil drain valve on my F150 because some dumb ass engineer put the drain plug directly facing a stabilizing bar so when you're changing oil it sprays like a porn star. The Ronin is a game changer, plug up a hose to the adapter, screw adapter into the drain valve, drain oil directly into waste bottle. Love the design. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/322543/Ronin_Factory_Ford_Plastic_Oil_Plug_Drai-1582884.JPG I have one of these also for my F-150. Works pretty well and saves a potential big mess. I like the idea of a hose right into an empty jug instead of a pan. Most of the mess i make changing oil is transferring used oil from pan to jug. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 2:55:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously? Attaching tools to the car with permanent magnets? Do you often find yourself changing your oil in the Autozone parking lot or something? Are you so OCD that you can't wait to drive home when the oil change indicator turns on? Just walk 5' to the toolbox and grab the right socket. It's the one with oil on it from the last oil change. Yes. A wrench is on the frame of my Jeep with a magnet. Haven't changed the oil in Vatozone parking lot but could I suppose. Not OCD. Had some extra sockets and wrenches that weren't in a full set and stuck one to the frame. Works great. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 3:03:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That wasn’t your sisters fault. That was mandated low tension rings. Thank the epa. If it was a 4 cyl it had an oil consumption warranty extension and the v6 had a fouling out plug extension. Both done by Honda but epa mandated ring specs are what cause the issue. Well that's a hell of a note. Can't say I'm suprised when I think about it. My sister is an idiot who doesn't take care of anything, so I figured she's screwed up her Accord by a lack of maint. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 3:42:36 PM EDT
[#18]
They have their purpose. No one would bother to make them if nobody bought them.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 3:57:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't have to be unintentional. Could be opened on purpose by Antifa-type scum trying to disable vehicles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just what I want, a valve that would have a chance of opening unintentionally. Doesn't have to be unintentional. Could be opened on purpose by Antifa-type scum trying to disable vehicles. You really think that someone up to no good is going to crawl under vehicles, go, "Well gosh darn it, they don't have a quick drain valve. I guess we'll try that other one over there"  If they intended to drain the oil from your vehicle for whatever nefarious reasons, they'd have a screwdriver or punch to poke a hole in the oilpan, but those types seem to prefer smashing the glass and maybe setting the vehicle on fire. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:12:41 PM EDT
[#20]
Laughs in oil extractor.
 
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:22:30 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The idea is nice....but it takes an extra 30 seconds to get a wrench and take the drain plug out. Not sure I want a "quick and easy" way to drain my oil pan like that........ |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:26:02 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: people who don't have hand tools want to risk the chance of accidental oil loss to save a few minuets when they try to save a few bucks and drain their oil on their driveway. For those of us with boats we want one to simplify getting the oil put in an extremely difficult spot to access. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:32:59 PM EDT
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I had a previous vehicle that had a cast aluminum oil pan. Quick lube local to me had a series of deals that cost the same as me buying oil and filter.
Eventually they stripped the threads then installed some self tapping plug, then it was fubar. I bought a Fumoto valve with NPT threads and a NPT adapter bushing, tapped the pan to the next larger NPT size, installed the bushing and Fumoto, and used it for 8 or 9 more years without issue. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:39:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I put a Ronin oil drain valve on my F150 because some dumb ass engineer put the drain plug directly facing a stabilizing bar so when you're changing oil it sprays like a porn star. The Ronin is a game changer, plug up a hose to the adapter, screw adapter into the drain valve, drain oil directly into waste bottle. Love the design. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/322543/Ronin_Factory_Ford_Plastic_Oil_Plug_Drai-1582884.JPG I just checked their website, the Ronin is $80.... WTF! Fumoto is under $26 at Amazon. I use the one with the hose nipple, and stick the hose in an empty 2.5 gallon jug. No spraying, no drips on the driveway. I used one on my F-250 Diesel, and now for the entire 140k miles on my F-150. It's not about not grabbing a wrench, it's about not getting oil all over the damn place b/c it hits the front sway bar and/or cross-member. As for it getting hit offroad.... it sticks off the side of the pan, but is also protected by the cross-member and front sway bar. I'd be more worried about the transmission cooler lines that are in the same area. Not my pic: 
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:39:36 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You know, the plugs are never a problem but whoever changed the oil on my two vehicles before I changed it the last time put the filters on with an impact gun. Dented and crushed the hell out them trying to get both filters off.  Attached File Attached FileYou can thank me later. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:45:56 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just what I want, a valve that would have a chance of opening unintentionally. Do the normal thing, get your husband to change the oil. Fumoto will not open unintentionally. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:47:02 PM EDT
[#27]
From airplanes to boats to vehicles i've used the quick drain valves on all of them with 0 issues. Also remote oil filters on the aircraft and boats.
For me its not about ease of opening, but that I can put a tube on the end to drain straight into cans without getting oil everywhere. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:55:47 PM EDT
[#28]
Personally, I've never seen the need for one.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:58:35 PM EDT
[#29]
Fumoto has always been reliable for me after 15 years of use.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 4:59:29 PM EDT
[#30]
The best thing about Fumoto valves is draining used oil directly into a jug. No need for drain pans, drips, or messes. My engine has a top mount oil filter, so I can complete the entire oil change process without spilling a single drop.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:00:01 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except up until last winter there wasn’t an oil standard rated to go that long and stop a timing chain from stretching. If you want your engine to last change it every 5k. I've been using synthetic oil and 10k change intervals since the mid 90's. Is this a Ford 5.4 or Ecoburst problem or something? I've never had a timing chain stretch to the point of failure. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:02:53 PM EDT
[#32]
Did this over in Cars/Bikes... Here are the details
I thought the ValvoMax looked interesting. Would put it on a car I have that requires ramps and skid plate removal. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Oil-Drain-Valves-ValvoMax/134-2358025/ |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:06:38 PM EDT
[#33]
I'm happy with the Stahlbus valve on the 4runner, -there's a skid plate in the way so it's not like it's hanging out in the breeze.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:08:37 PM EDT
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I have one on the Honda Pilot. It makes oil changes simple and mess free.... I connect a short hose and drain into a low profile 1 gallon gas can. Zero mess.
Then - while it is draining, I change the oil filter using a traditional drain pan and one of these: https://formafunnel.com/product/general-purpose/ Then (every other oil change or 15k) - while it is draining, I change the transmission fluid using the same drain pan I used for the oil filter change. Then flip the switch and close her up. It just removes one step of potential mess, removes any chance of stripping out the pan threads, and makes the process faster as I wont need two pans to get to work on the oil filter, or wait for the oil to completely drain before switching to the oil filter. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:13:44 PM EDT
[#35]
No-Spill Systems for me.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:20:24 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had a fumoto on my Xterra, was always a little worried that it stuck down through the skid plate and was always in the back of my mind on the trail Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which brand? Fumoto won't work on one vehicle due to the location of the drain plug. Would hang down low and might need an adapter making it longer and not sure skid plate would protect. Wish my fluid extraction woud work on this one then I would even have to jack it up. Fumoto will work on other. Fluid extraction won't matter on this on as the location of filter sucks. Fumoto Stalbus ValvoMax Had a fumoto on my Xterra, was always a little worried that it stuck down through the skid plate and was always in the back of my mind on the trail I like the type which have a hose fitting that screws in opening the valve, with a o-ring cap. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:30:54 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Amazed at all the opposition to these in this thread Yeah, it is a polarizing issue for some when it really is not a right or wrong solution but a preference. Many like to discount drain valves because they did not see the value in them and therefore seem to think people are wrong to see the value in them. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:36:32 PM EDT
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I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO MAKE A TASK EASIER!?!?
Once the service contract on my Tacoma ends, I'll probably get a valve style drain plug. It just makes changing oil a bit easier. I had a valve style drain plug on a previous car and it really made oil changes easier. One big thing was not getting oil all over my hands while removing the drain plug. The valve adapter thing had a hose on it, so I could keep that directed to the pan to catch the oil. Cleaner hands makes it a bit less bothersome. I've gotten my hands PLENTY dirty working on vehicles, so it's not about being a dainty poofter. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:38:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Have you ever pulled the drain plug and got HOT freaking oil on your hand? Not gonna happen with a Fumoto.
Have you ever pulled the drain plug and accidentally dropped it in the catch pan? Dang! Have you ever pulled the drain plug and had it splash oil on some extending surface getting the oil stream all over? If you want to keep doing it the old way that's fine, but I'll never have any of those problems again. Right now three vehicles with Fumoto valves and others totalling hundreds of thousands of miles on and off road with no leaks at all. Just my $.02 |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:43:53 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a Fumoto on my 4runner. Gonna try the Volvomax on the old ladies outback. Looks like a good design. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 5:52:19 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't ever seem to wrap my head around the point of this. Not having hot oil splash all over your hand when you remove the drain plug, and instead having 100% of the old oil drain directly into the container you want it in. You also don't drop the drain plug into the container you're draining into or miss the waste oil container with a stream of waste oil. If you have some other way not to spill a single drop, please let us know. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 6:04:40 PM EDT
[#42]
The filter always seems to far more of a hassle than the drain plug.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 6:06:32 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's about the mess more than a time savings from loosening one bolt. I'm afraid to put one on my truck, but it would sure be nice to be able to hook up a hose. Pull the drain plug, oil drops into drain pan, and inevitably some spills on the ground. Then you have to dump from the pan into a jug, and inevitable a few more drops will spill. Then you have to take simple green and clean all the spilled oil up. Would be nice just to run a hose straight to the jug. So I get the attraction for sure. This is the main reason. One vehicle shoots it out the back while what has soaked your glove drips on the driveway or it splatters from drain pan onto driveway. Both vehicle are up high on ramps so I have to drag something under to put drain pain on and that has been knocked over before. Work smarter not harder. The one vehicle I won't even have to get ramps out anymore and I need homemade wood extra ramps to get under them with a crawler and not be an inch from the engine. I had the old fram ones and they worked great. last one I had the valve went bad and the cap never let it leak. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 6:11:06 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryI have one. works great on the diesel, doesn't on the v-6 and never tried it on the v-8 because I would need a step ladder to get to the dip stick  and I still have to go under to remove filter which is right over drive shaft U joint. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 6:14:08 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fumoto will not open unintentionally. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just what I want, a valve that would have a chance of opening unintentionally. Do the normal thing, get your husband to change the oil. Fumoto will not open unintentionally. His husband should have explained that. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 6:15:07 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryI was hoping there was a section for the extractor master race to check in. To add insult to injury to ground dwellers, my Mercedes has a replaceable filter cartridge on the top of the engine. No leakage on that one either. Crawling under vehicles and getting all oily and dirty is for chumps! 
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Posted: 9/8/2020 6:16:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Don't.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 6:26:35 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was hoping there was a section for the extractor master race to check in. To add insult to injury to ground dwellers, my Mercedes has a replaceable filter cartridge on the top of the engine. No leakage on that one either. Crawling under vehicles and getting all oily and dirty is for chumps! I hope their newer filter system is better designed than some of the earlier models. Used to love watching the oil geyser of death when a new kid didn't get the cover quite sealed down. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 6:42:02 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't have to be unintentional. Could be opened on purpose by Antifa-type scum trying to disable vehicles. There would be far easier ways than draining your oil,not to mention almost every vehicle will run for a shockingly lengthy time with just residual oil. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 6:48:29 PM EDT
[#50]
I'd never even consider it on something that I took offroad. Ya'll are nuts, or your jeeps never leave pavement
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